Climate change and the melting glaciers in Switzerland - Docu - 2018 

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I believe we are to stop researching space- and subscribe all scientists to work on the climate situation. We should stop making weapons to start produce green energy- right away ---

Humans are comparable to frogs. Where the frog sits in a pot of tepid water until it gradually comes to a boil and kills. Ignorance is bliss.

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When I was in college some 45+ years ago, I entertained the thought, 'what if science and technology is a dead end for humanity'?' It's now appearing that's exactly what it is.....

Hurricane Harvey that flooded Houston and Southeast Texas was not an abnormally strong hurricane. It was held in place by a weather front that didn't allow it to move on inland. T)3 severity of the flooding was an accident of weather, not climate change. I am from Texas, had family in the area and remember it well. I was hoping the weather front would move allowing Harvey to move inland and give us some rain deeper into Texas, so I was watching it closely.

a powerfuly sad documentary. when we are made to sympathize with extremely wealthy elderly Swiss victims of the industrial world they control.

American suburbs are required to keep good lawns. However they're getting better at accepting Stone in place of the lawn or nitrogen-rich low maintenance clover

There were floods like in Bondo before. Natives used to pray for the galcier to retreat because it was causing fatalities year over year. Yes the climate is changing like it always has, always will.

To me is already too late, some scientists believe that we passed the point of no return. We can only delay a bit the colossal calamity, I am really sorry, but this can very well be our reality.🙏

Luckily the warm period we have been in since 1755 ended in 2009 according to Nasa. So we are at the beginning of a cold period, how long it will last is anyone's guess. Low sunspot periods are known to produce extreme localised weather, more tectonic plate activity and more Volcanic activity.

I really don't feel/think it's right to point a finger at energy companies, when we and the government support the use of their products. I'm glad they addressed that we are all responsible, something I think the divestment movement ignored.

I just watched a clip on geoengineering and chemtrails. I am 59 and have still not seen any effects of global warming, cooliing, or climate change except that climate has always changed. I have seen the effects of environmental degradation. I live in Ontario which used to be under 2km of ice. People did not go exticnt when those glaciers melted. I can walk from rising oceans but can't run from an atmosphere that I cannot breathe.

“I’ve got some ocean front property” in Arizona…as written by Dean Dillon, Royce Porter and Hank Cochran.... National Public Radio Weekend Edition Sunday, did a piece on climate change and coastal flooding that flared an interest in me as to how land in beginning cities where farmed out, the ocean front properties, if any were reserved for the affluent, where they built their mansions, on mostly low land to be near the waterways where the mooring of water vessels would be cheapest, however, for the poor, the less affluent, the high ground was reserved for them in way out of the way places, far and away from any water, even lakes and streams, as it would turn out the high ground, with the advent of global warming the high ground are less prone to flooding, is now suddenly becoming more expensive and prized, as little by little the poor are being encouraged to move out and away…

I’m sorry I missed this live!

For every 10000 molecules in the atmosphere one CO2 molecule was added by humans. Can't believe this one molecule is so powerful to take over the climate.

The interview with the professor makes it unnecessarily lengthy. I’d love to share cut version.

English is the number one spoken language know throughout the world. if you wish for this channel to start making a real difference, your going to have to put effort into making sure the entire program (all that is said, all that is heard) is translated to English, otherwise , your just another child, screaming into the wind that the sun don't shine no more.

Too late - those who want to survive have already packed and relocated - few will survive.

In 1970 when i asked my horse how she viewed people she said most were just stupid because they cannot hear her thoughts but she can hear theirs. This horse was probably smarter than most avg. humans. The trainer said the also based on the hollows above her eyes bei g deep into her cranium. This is a true story!

We're still getting warmer even with the solar cycles. Sun spots have been in low number even in the last cycle compared to previous ones. We should be getting cooler but we aren't.

0:21 True, they have never had any hurricanes strike the Caribbean until this year. Ugh.

Great video of you are multi lingual.

I hope some of you can take a little time out from your individual and collective hand-wringing, and try to grasp the lesson from what has happened here. This Peruvian has legal standing to sue a large European power company. That's significant, whatever the outcome down the road, but especially if the suit goes in his favor. Obviously, RWE cannot he held solely responsible for the harm done to the mountain environment in Peru. But a lot of law, around the World, depends on precedent. And whatever progress toward accountability is made in this case in Peru, it forms legal precedents that move things that much closer to justice elsewhere. That's the real reason this matters.

42:20 - Burning the oil to "save" the oil. Makes all the sense in the world, doesn't it?

What the Indian dude said about the lawns is exactly what I told my parent's about the lawn in front of their house. They live in California's desert, the inland empire. We already had a drought in 2016 where they couldn't even water their grass because the State put out water restrictions. I told them to prepare for a massive water restrictions so they should probably get rid of the lawns and put in rocks, but they don't seem to get it. They're going to have to do it anyway.

An exellent film that gives us a lot of important ansverw

31:49 The spoiled turkey way of life

It’s a moral issue. We live in a world with no morals

If we dont do nothing....someday there will be nothing left to do.

Did Brazil's dam collapse have to do with climate change? I'm not seeing much coverage on why, or how it collapsed...

Humans, try to understand them? Craving, aversion and ignorance.

How do the growing glaciers in New Zealand fit into this?

Yesterday it was the highest temperatuur in Germany in the city of Coshen on the border with Poland with 38.6 °C . It brocke the record of 38.5 °C of the city Buhlertal on 27-28 of June.... 1947. A rise of 0.1 °C in 72 years. Indeed a reason to panic. That it shows that high temperatuurs are occuring from time to time, regardless what humans do, is ofcorse not politicle correct. Before we had movies about catastrofic events, now they are governement funded and presentet as " news " . In 2003 in Europe have died 70.000 people as a result of a heatwave. The rest of the time, nobody dies..... Healthy people don't die from five day's above 35 °C . People who are not healthy can die of a heatwave or without it two weeks or a month later. I Brazille a dam brocke and killed hundrerds of people. By climat change ? People live on vulcano sides, on mounten sides where they have cut all the trees and vegetation, the world is an every changing crunch on a verry hot liquid ball. And because nothing moves for hundred years, it's seen as solid for ever. Do sea levels rise or is ther more prove in country's with mauntens that land rises or go's down also ? Is the land oing down or the sea rising. ? I live on a hill sid in Spain and the whole hill, more then 50 meters above sea level and the hill is made out of sediment with sea shells in stones . The hill was under the sea level before there where even humans. The past proves the facts. The future is a believe. Making people afraid is the best way to controle them.

Corporations have too much power. The people are crying out for change, but governments and companies and their armies of lawyers continue to run things into the ground.

like volcanic lahars!

One of the most interesting quotes, from this documentary, are the following words by author Amitav Ghosh: „Within the global power elite there is a significant proportion that now thinks in apocalyptic terms. They think there will be a massive Malthusian correction, as they call it. And that’s what they’re hoping for. That is their answer to climate change. “ I wonder... if that speculation is true, then why wouldn't they just bio-engineer a pathogen to kill off perhaps as much as 6+ Billion people in a direct hit to solve their problems? They have the power, financial means and knowledge to do that. That would be to their advantage to control the massacre rather than go into a full-blown uncontrolled natural disaster following abrupt climate change. Only a select few would be inoculated; The richest and most powerful plus a selected group of scientists, artists, etc. The criminal elite would not have to be worried about being prosecuted because the resulting post-epidemic society would be a weak mess without our laws and moral values. This is a horrifying thought but it has occurred to me that this scenario might be something the elite might choose to construct and execute. You can be certain that this thought has crossed someones mind with the means to research and discuss it at the highest levels.

Nice docu very informative and moving... I hope the whole humanity will come to realize the need and desire to care for the earth cause at the end of the day we are all steward of God's creation.

Don't be surprised if you start seeing cat 6 or 7 hurricanes clocking wind speeds of 400 miles per hour plus and force 12 blizzards and 125 degrees heat waves across the Eastern Seaboard of America. Things that we will all would like to pretend are not going to but it's already happening we're just afraid to admit it.

End the monetary system. That's the only thing keeping us from taking serious action.

Just because some people don't believe in global warming because their daily routine remains the same, sitting in a comfy couch with cold weather and a bit of heat in summer it doesn't mean that the rest of the world are, people are dying for heat strokes, things that never happened 30 - 50 years ago and the fact that it's happening today is very concerning. So what I'm saying with this speech is that, don't be selfish don't just think on yourself and in your comodities, look around the world and for a moment step in the shoes of other people who are feeling the climate change more straight than you.

We are born in captivity of our civilization. Climate change shall bring freedom but at what cost.

And where does decades of weather and climate modification fit in?

We can take carbon out of the atmosphere faster than we put it in by farming single cell algae on coast lines every city on the coast could power its electrical needs this way and as 90% of the world population lives along coasts it is a viable solution. Nuts and Bolts time: You dig channels on land and or build dikes by dredging with locks so tidal forces push the water in screens to keep marine debris and fish out. Waves drive pumps forcing air to bubble through the water saturating it with carbon and nutrients from dust in the air, city sewage can be added for more nutrients. Mix in small amounts of iron oxide to that and a explosion of algae growth will occur after three days you pump the water to a electrofloculation station this will cheaply separate the algae from the water. You pump the algae though solar heating coils to a vacuum chamber (you can cheaply create vacuum with gravity and 15 meter towers explanation at the end) the water inside the algae will burst the cells as it boils. This frees clean oil to be used as we need for pharmaceutical production, lubrication of machinery, fueling necessary vehicles that have no other IE better option. The husk of the algae cell can then be used as feed stock for furnaces recapturing the Co2 while making electricity or you can bio-digest it and feed the methane produced to a fuel cell system while recycling the Co2. The remains of that you can use for soil amendments to reclaim deserts, grow more trees, land based crops, feed back into the algae system or just sequester it at the bottom of the ocean. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-933XNdClFrc.html this video demonstrats how to create a vacuum at the mid point using gravity. Increasing the size of the top end of the pipe increases the area of the vacuum like a water tower upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/The_Blue_Water_Tower,_Kaohsiung.JPG the vacuum created can be used to evacuate other chambers to compartmentalize production away from the vacuum pump to use specific vacuum chambers that crack the algae and dewater it as the steam escapes to a empty vacuum chamber this is another benefit as it produces pure distilled water helping humanity deal with a water shortage.

I believe in climate change and support activist. But, you can’t sue companies for creating pollution to prove services that they use and enjoy.

The Bangladesh gentleman is absolutely right.

This documentary spells it out, we can cancel the mars missions and continue to ‘marsify’ earth.

The ONLY way to get people to stop doing all the millions of jobs that are useless or harming our planet is to make it financially worthwhile for people to share the jobs that we identify as being useful and that we do need/want people to do and to work LESS. Until then people will just carry on working hard all day doing their 'jobs' harming the planet or not.

WHAT IS THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX?

I really object to the way the closed captions are handled for this. It may make sense to reword a few things here and there, usually to make something shorter and thus easier to read. But to completely reword everything is just reckless. Hell, I bet you happily do pull quotes, too, don't you?

why are the comments no listed in chronological order?

we must together fight the GW!!!!

Visually a well done video. However, I can't help but wonder why the Peruvian gentleman chose to take his case to Switzerland rather than say ... China .. and where the funding came from for the trip. Maybe guides in Peru can afford travel like that. I dunno. Just asking.

Harvey was not about climate change! It was a run of the mill hurricane held in place by a weather system from the west. Hurricanes are normal heat engines that disperse tropical heat, the weather system to the west that held Harvey in place dumping the unusually heavy rain in southeast Texas was natural, though unfortunate, not a climate change issue. Had that system not been in place, the hurricane would have moved inland and resulted in normal effects.

You know, if this climate change gig was such a slam dunk, they wouldn't have to keep trying to convince us day in and day out. Me thinks they full of krap and glaciers not melting world wide. Me thinks some glaciers actually growing. What say ye?

We are already in a mass extinction event, it is happening rapidly now before our eyes. Expect at least 70% of all species to disappear with a similar % of humans going the same way (and that at this stage is an optimistic outlook).

Oblama puts on a serious face and told us carbon life forms about carbon pollution. Still waiting for the question: Say, Oblama! What the fuck? You were bombing 7 or 8 countries. You broke the bombing record! This carbon life form wants to know why you call me pollution! Are you an AI? Carbon is greeeeeeeen. Without carbon no life.

How high do we have to build our deichs? - 120 meters How long can we wait? - We have heavily polluted for about 170 years now. Then we have waited 50-60 years. We are already experiencing heavy impacts.

This planet is going down, full throttle !

Why no subtitles? :(

ExxonMobil did look at the potential effects of CO2 and concluded that it wasn't worth worring about.

Sad! Climate change is Real.... Human desire is disaster. Mahadsanid!

They must tell us the Earth radiates at 10 microns or 59 F. That CO2 absorbs at 4.3 microns or 750 F and at 15 microns or -112 F. It is clear that 10 micron infrared from the Earth is NOT absorbed by CO2, and travels out to space. The bands of 4.3 micron and 15 micron are narrow and do not overlap the 10 micron band. Yes, an insignificant amount of infrared is radiated by the Earth at 15 microns, however, only from very small surface areas in Antarctica and only when the Antarctic temperature drops to near record low temperatures, which it does very infrequently. CO2 is therefore irrelevant with respect to the so-called AGW theory.

Food for thought. What if..just what if CO2 is not responsible for climate change ? Would it not be better to place resources to defend humanity in early warning systems, better prediction of weather and climate and infrastructure to defend against the vagaries of weather ? It appears that the evidence, which is accessible to all, is suggesting that the contribution of humanity to climate change is much less than previously thought. Some reasearch is even suggesting that we could experience a prolonged period of global cooling rather than warming. If this turns out to be the case, we could have been barking p the wrong tree. This the importance of verifying whether these latest findings are true or not rather than stating that climate change is settled science.

Any encyclopedia will tell you that the earths atmosphere is about 78%nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1%other gases including carbon..how then can they say that carbon is causing global warming..what carbon?!where is it?!

These weather disasters have been happening on earth before we were here and will be happening even if we go extinct. We build our homes in places where it does flood and then complain when it rains.

Every little bit helps. Plant trees. Let the grass grow.

These corporations who did their evil, have to get us back to normal You cannot tak and run. Accountability now!!

sorry people it's already too late

If the politicians won't listen then vote with your money: Buy an electric car, install solar on your house, get a bicycle. Did you know? An electric car is 67% cheaper in electricity compared to the costs of petrol to a petrol car for driving the same distance.

When the Kids grow up and realise that WE - that is my generation and the one before mine - devoured their future.... When they realise they must not have children, lest they should have to live through the rotting, stinking dregs of the world's putrefaction... what do you imagine they will do to us???

Global Cooling is real indeed. Come to Alberta, we've got 10 month of harsh winter. 20 years ago when I've arrived here we used to have around 6 months each year.

Carbon dioxide makes what percentage of greenhouse gases?

Still watching while adding this comment but they did not mentioned huge impact on global warming and that is milk and dairy industry. Massive amount of gasses and pollutants produced by them meat industries is horrible. Meat have high carbon print.

We Americans are getting damn sick and tired of waiting for our East and West Coasts to go under the waves - when is it going to happen? Stop taunting us with false hope.

Look how do you all explain the lot of our temperature heat records are from the 1940s and earlier.

Anecdote is not data.

Total puss off. I've briefly got into this doc only to realize I need to be fluent in at least four languages!!

Why do climate scientists not propose gasoline rationing as many countries had during WWII?

Yes, you just have to live with it because it's natural and taxing us into the poor house won't stop climate from changing.

Pollution, tragedy of the Commons. Levy massive taxes on pollution and fund a cleaning up program, reforest lands...

I would yell "FIRE!' but our theater has no exit. The positive feedback loops have started. It is to late to do anything. The Exxon scientist saw this during the 1980's. If I was the CEO of Exxon at that time I would have done just what he did. The best we can do is to maintain social stability as long as possible. The forces of nature are in place and beyond our control. Just three too hot and or too wet or too dry springs and food for billions of people disappears. We humans have enjoyed @ 10,000 years of stable weather. That window for agriculture is closing. Soon, world food production will fail. When do we plant our corps? Any culture is three days of hunger from disintegration. There is no place to migrate to. Where are you going to go? Scientist are not politicians, theologians, philosophers, or poets. Their knowledge of or use of rhetoric to warn of our situation is at best poor. It is now clear that homo-hubris-sapiens are about to disappear. Our society is just another about to disappear. Nothing new here, this is quite natural. We humans are just part of a natural cycle. Any scientist can tell you this. But no politician will or can tell you the truth. Dictator or democrat; no politician can, will, or should tell us these obvious facts regarding our habitat. The human response to climate change seems like the human response on Easter Island as they were cutting down their last tree. They thought their god's were more important than their trees. Then they learned that their god's could not create trees. We think that profit and finical growth are more important than the environment. To the economist the environment is extraneous to our economy. We are about to learn that profit and finical growth can not create living organisms. The god's of profit and finical growth have made us blind to the absurdity of cutting down the last trees on our island. I have passed through a morning period. I am embracing my death. I try to love all I see. In my view it is too late to "do" anything. Our day has passed. Just for the record, I have spent most of the last 25 years wandering about in the wildernesses of the Colorado Rocky's, the highlands of Northern California, Maui, and my beloved Central California Coast. I could do this because to get food all I had to do was go to town. When there is plenty of wild life, living off the land is very difficult. My hat is off to our ancestors. We are looking at the collapse of habitat for all manuals as well as fish, birds, and vegetation. There will be no "living off the land." I have been hungry in the wilderness. Lethargy and weakness take over. Every action takes great effort. It appears to me to be a hard death. But perhaps no more difficult a death than those who have gone before us. It is as if the spector of death has appeared at our party. Everyone at the party sees it. No one admits it at first. A few whispers, that's about it. A rumor of the spector begins to spread. A rumor that everyone at the party can see and does see. It is clear that the spector of death has not come for a particular person but this time has come for everyone at the party; including our pets. As the last grocery store closes I plan to be wandering up a unnamed stream. Into the unknown I go as we all must. Good Luck to You. ALL THE BEST

Thank you for this important documentary. I am one of those people who think we have passed the point of no return (PONR) for Homo Sapiens and alas the bulk of multi-cellular organisms on the planet. There are so many catastrophic wheels that have already been set in motion by Man and cannot be stopped. They could perhaps be slowed down but the end-result is the same. So many positive feedback loops will soon kick in, a few probably already started, and then all is basically lost. This is not pessimism or lack of hope on my part. It is only honest realism. Everyone needs to open their eyes and look at the evidence.

Chicago 1/30/2019 -40

It would have been so great if I could read what was said?

I've watched many vpro videos over the years. Although vpro has highlighted many aspects of Climate change. VPRO has not done any documentaries on the subject of "Geoengineering" A technology that rivals Nuclear weapons in it's scope of use and destructive effects upon all things living. All the current technologies that are being employed in Geoengineering. Are employed in and used by varied Governments around the world. The United States being the creator of Geoengineering technologies. Named "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection" Commonly known as "Chemtrails" Using "Nano Polymer Technology" aerosols composed mainly of Aluminum compounds to manipulate weather over large regions. "Weather Warfare" if you the reader would care research that very subject. The same Aluminum compound precipitates down to ground, In turn getting into the soil, water and permeates the very air you breath. A slow death if you will. The goal of "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection" is to spray 10 to 20 million pounds of aerosolized Aluminum compounds into the stratosphere. With a stated goal to "Cool the planet" Do to ever increasing global temperatures. The only thing that has rapidly occurred over the past 15 years as the Geoengineering technologies matured is. A proven trail of environmental destruction. The death of numerous insects, specifically bee populations all over the world. Numerous other aquatic insects. Varied tree species, specifically Pine trees in the Northern latitudes. The current fires in California, USA, The fierceness, speed and destruction in which took place recently in Paradise, California, USA Over 1000 people missing and or dead. With the repeated and daily "Stratospheric Aerosol Injection" the aluminum accumulates on the surface of where ever it lands. That same aluminum acts as a fuel source to accelerate the burning of anything than can burn. Hence the speed at which these fires have spread and high degree of destruction. The list of harmful and negative effects upon all things living. Humans, plants, animals, insects. The associated diseases from toxic metal ingestion from the air, food and or water. Just from aluminum alone. There are numerous toxic compounds being utilized under the guise of Geoengineering. In the past 15 years. Lung Cancer is the number one killer of adults in the USA. People in their 30's and up, are showing up in increasing numbers with terminal lung cancer. Why such a rapid change??? Heart disease and stroke are now a distant 4th and 5th place. This occurring in the past 15 years. a recent quote from the "World Health Organization "Air pollution is the new tobacco".. Geoengineering and the toxic compounds it employs. Aluminum, Barium, Strontium, Fly Ash and over 40 toxic compounds. Are in large part, responsible for the increased Morbidity and Mortality around the world for the increase in Pulmonary and Neurological diseases related to toxic metal particulate ingestion. Alzheimer's disease, etc. In short, Global Geoengineering Activities is killing everyone and everything on Earth, in a slow and protracted manner. SO VPRO, YOU HAVE THE BASIS TO DO AN INVESTIGATIVE DOCUMENTARY ON THE SUBJECT OF "GEOENGINEERING" AND ALL OF ITS EFFECTS ON THE LIFE ON EARTH. Your silence on this very subject, is your indictment of complicity in the continued propaganda. You want man made climate change to markedly decrease. Then stop the global Geoengineering Mass Murder of the earth and all things living.

31:14 My conclusion too. For what it's worth.

From the online book (page 142) "ANOTHER WORLD IS POSSIBLE" on Ecohumanworld web site Nature does not exist because of us, but we are like all other beings created because of certain needs in nature itself. If the need for our presence on this planet passes, it will also pass away the creature that has existed because of those needs - the human being. Nature is the ultimate master of this planet. She creates life and ensures that never fails. Its laws are still present, the only real and permanent functioning. They are the foundations of existence, are the nature itself. Existential justification is a one-time gift of nature, an opportunity that allows all in the context of the natural laws to survival. Who consciously or unconsciously ignored these laws, disrupts their balance and harmony, must expect that sooner or later his right to existence on this planet runs out. Also we are no exception.

thanks vpro documentary - love your work

Ah, yes, I needed more propoganda in my life. Laying a guilt trip, nothing more. Don't waste your time, there is no science, no "information" here.

I see very little interest from RU-vidrs after two weeks. This says much about people, AND about their lack of conviction that global warming is happening, or is their fault. The earth's climate has never stopped changing. But to mitigate global disasters should be a priority of powerful governments. Rebuilding after floods, landslides etc. would create industries, commerce, and wealth. (And perhaps give global arms industries something better to do!)

Aye what… 4 times a year? I’m like… really eco friendly 🙄😂

To start, we could build rock and brick walls around our homes to help keep the water out!?

Little ice age...1500 to 1800.

The Supreme Sovereign of the Universe and Earth has allowed humans to govern themselves to the point humans are NOW in! Time to make a CHOICE,,,, Man rule or Gods rulership by Christ Jesus. Christ is at the ready to be as he was commisiond to be,,, humankinds SAVIOUR! Dictionary definition of SAVIOUR is HERO........!

Great Docu! Hopefully, it will be watched and listened to! It is our future! Forget everything else!!

President Obama, just bought a 29 acres for $15 million. It a seaside home on Martha's Vineyard. I guess he's not worried about Climate change. 😱😱😱😱😱😱🕵🇺🇸🇺🇸

In response to the Indian from Bangladesh who keeps asking, 'what makes people want more, why aren't they satisfied with a single date farm, why do they have to have green lawns like Europeans'? Hello doctor, hello, people just want the good life, that is what they want but we have an unsustainable population on earth and earth cannot support 8 billion lunatic consumers, get it? Let me tell you something, I do not want to continue to decrease my life year after year so another billion humans can land on the planet to consume their brains out and pollute everything. Deal with that, we can have a sustainable civilization with 1.5 - 2 billion, everybody can live a good life without destroying the ecosystem of earth. You think that is wrong? you think that no number of humans are too much? Then you are living in a fantasy world!

To my knowledge and belief's yes us humans who are so ignorant and shellfish and we have taken Nature for granted why for our fame and fortune and how greedy humans can be so now Nature has decided to show us all what's going to happen because Nature is like us humans it is a living environment of beauty for our enjoyment of life but nobody wanted to listen or to see what we have done to our beautiful world and that taking Nature for granted there is consequences for humans behaviour is my point

I think this is good news. Human's are selfish, violent, dishonest, cruel, greedy, and a few more things. Think of the amazing amounts of suffering humanity has caused itself and other creatures. We won't ever change so let's just get out and give existence some relief. I have no regrets. I don't like what humanity is and I realized all this in 1970. I've just been waiting for it to play out. I did not procreate nor did I seek the things "successful" adults do in a materialist culture. So it's going to be a lot easier to go than to stay for this pilgrim.