I love this scene because it tells you clearly the point this movie is trying to make. Your efforts to change the world do have an impact. Don't let anyone or even you dissuade yourself into thinking what you do doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, because it does!
Even if it doesn't matter in the grand schemes of things, so what ? If it matters to you, or matters on an interpersonal level to another human being, or a community of other human beings, then so be it. If it only matters in a personal or in a 'smaller scheme of things' way, it really doesn't matter, it doesn't make it any less impactful. Do what you're going to do regardless. Most of my actions day to day don't matter in the 'grand schemes of things', but I will continue to make a difference in my own way nonetheless.
@Steven Sweeden see?? These people, people like you are the reason why these world will never reach enlightenment.. When you bring other people down. Then you only bring yourself down. Not until you realize that what you do to others are the exact things that is coming to you, will you be awakened. Namaste
@Steven Sweeden Because Mr. Gabriel here (The Main Commenter) is implying that evry actions that he had made DOESN'T MATTER in the grand scheme of things.. So i am saying HE DIDN'T GET IT. because for me. EVERYthing and i mean EVERY.. small or big.. Everything that we do, we HAVE done, or we WILL do will eventually/someday/ somehow matter.. Have you heard of the butterfly effect? Everything is interconnected! Oh.. And yeah this is one of my favs of all time as well.. So pls stop hating on me because I'm just stating facts.. Peace brother.!
"I own my life to a self freed slave, and I cannot, in good conscious, participate in this kind of business any longer." I love how Jim Sturgess deliver that line.
When I read the book, I wasn't happy that Adam's story would be the last. But the last sentence "What is an ocean, but a multitude of drops" gave me shivers. It was the best possible sentence to finish the book !
agreed and my one major complaint about the movie is they added in that extra scene at the end but that would have been the perfect ending. That line summarizes the main point of the book!
To be honest, I have never seen ANY film in my life that there are multi-racial actors/actresses acting different races from their own! Bravo! By the way, "What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?" is beautiful.
The movie is literally about doing the right thing. Correct me if I’m wrong. Doing the right thing even if it means so little at the time. Has a huge ripple effect.
Well yeah, and yes and no.. see, Adam and his wife Tilda may have been on the right side to fight for people cause people shouldn't be slaves. So they join the abolitionists.. and as we know slavery was abolished, they won.. But, as soon as he say there's an order to this world, it cuts to the revolution led by sonmi451 and sadly they lost, cause her dad in a distant future caused their death..
But also, they wom the revolution.. since the future dispora when sonmi451 was killed we can see that it affected the ecosystem which led to the future where zachery was and hugo weaving appeared as the devil again to represent his view of order in a chaotic world.. where Adam dies again.. but then again they win, since they move to another world, another galaxy it seemed like.. this movie changed my view of life lol
"There is a natural order to this world and those who try to upend it don't fare well." -- This is never a good enough reason to not do what's right. This scene shows what we know about life: Through every struggle in history, every wrong cause by one people, there are those who sacrifice themselves so that our society falls on the right side of history.
True, but he is right. He was also right about the limitless ocean, proven and confirmed in the future scene where nothing much has changed except the times, and the same battles are still being fought. Just like in the real world.
Yes, and I believe that raising and slaughtering animals just so we can eat their body parts is biggest injustice normalized in our society. There are many parallels between slavery and how we have treated animals as inanimate objects, but one day people will wake up and those that do sooner will want people to be on the right side of history. Just as we would see slavery from a the slave's perspective instead of the wealthy slaver due to our compassion, we should also see animal "agriculture" from the victim's perspective. It may seem trivial, to choose veggie meat over pig meat, but it is all a drop in the ocean of change.
Thank you. I'm American too, and I keep hearing everyone say it's such a confusing film but it's really not. It's actually rather intricately simple, if that makes sense. I don't know. I didn't read the book, going to, but haven't yet, but I never found it confusing, just beautiful, a movie that defies genre, defies race and the physical body and pushes it all away to the core of what it means to be human, to be free. Thank you david mitchell and thank you film crew.
Watching this scene feels like the ethereal experience of the very soul of rebellion, the spirit of resistance, reaching out across time and space to always stand up against the “Natural Order”. Choral echoes in the soundtrack are very chilling in this regard, especially as they swell when we cut back to Sonmi with the narration.
Unfortunately, most people are just exposed to the spoon fed mediocrity of celebrities' lives. This movie is thought-provoking and philosophical; one needs to have cognitive abilities and high intellect to be able to understand the complexity of such characters. It is a MASTERPIECE!!
His, and Hugh Grant's souls get progressively worse and worse in each timeline. From here he becomes a hitman, the horrible nurse, and then the executioner as you mentioned. By the next timeline he is so evil that he becomes a demon. Hugh Grant gets worse and worse until the final timeline where he literally consumes humans as a cannibal. It's a very interesting story.
All of Hugh Grant's characters were in positions where they could change things but consistently didn't Letting their base desires dictate their decisions. Weaving's characters were fixed evil. The final character is literally a figment of the collective's imagination's fear. The devil indeed is a lie.
@@SharinaJulien Yup, by the final cycle, all of the blood that Grant's characters have soaked themselves in sealed his fate. Just going by memory, so I'm sure I'm leaving things out, but when you combine the deaths caused as: - a slaver - a hitman - a member of the neo establishment That's a lot of human lives and suffering caused. Of course he'd be a cannibal in the end. I wonder if Zachry was meant to let the Kona king live not just to avoid detection, but because his soul had reached the terminal point - his own hell, which he would continue to rule until he too became vulnerable and was consumed. Considering that the Kona had slaughtered their supply, they were headed for a bloody collapse.
@@bicarbonat1 Reading you're comment made me think of something else about both Hugh Grant's & Hugo Weavings' characters. Unlike the others both of their archs are linear. Hugo's characters are the personifications of systemic evil...especially when his final character is literally a devil. Hugh Grant's characters do bad things. His 1st 3 characters do evil in servitude to others (the 3 you mentioned) The final 3 do evil for themselves, not answering to any authority. He starts as a servant and ends as a king. His character is the personification of the book's theme which is predacity. The final domination of another human is cannibalization. Agree, the Kona chief most likely died from exhausting his supply or going insane from the "freakbirth" virus.
@@SharinaJulien I wouldn't agree that they were fixed evils, Adam's father in law at least tried to do right by his daughter. It's just that his soul bleached out any sort of empathy over the ages. Bill Smoke did it for money (unless you go by the book), Nurse Noakes did it for a sense of power and Old Georgie did it for kicks. I found Hugh Grant's characters more repulsive in that they were consistently petty, vindictive and ultimately monstrous in a very human sense of the word. More to the film's credit to be honest, the novel only has one soul journey but every actor in the film had their own ark - I was very pleasantly surprised coming out of the cinema after going in with low expectations
It's nice to here the film be appreciated the way it's meant to be. I remember a critic saying "you watch the same actors play different characters throughout different times" or something along those lines and I shook my head, no, you watched the actors play the same characters through out time, with different bodies. The characters aren't the people, they're the souls. But I also am familiar w/ reincarnation and believe in it so that may have made it easier for me to get it, like you said
This scene, as is the entire film, is a masterpiece of cinema. My absolute favourite, seemingly incidental moment is the irony of the use of the word “Crucifiction”. Used by Hugo Weaving as a threat but juxtaposed with Somni’s execution that will catalyse a rebellion that will immortalise her as a Goddess-like figure. Rebellion against the natural order can even go so far as to twist the fabric of language in its favour.
Whenever I get sad her love died in the battlefield I remember their souls met again countless times and they fell in love over and over and over again ❤
There is also more to it than just having different lives. Its the development of a soul, the idea of respecting people because they may have been your friend before or the idea of fulfilling a debt from a previous life. Its very interesting and complex, I think the movie represented it well :)
Yes the debt is the contribution from previous chapters, set in the past, where actions for good or bad influence the current chapter, and the possibilities of the current and future chapters are made possible by, and their characters are inspired by the artifacts of the fictionalized past.
I know right?!? I hate that a lot of critics are saying that its "too confusing" or "it has no clear idea" I think that the big point is that its celebrating mankind and showing us making choices, loving each other and going through hardships; experiencing all of those themes through reincarnation. I loved this movie and I just wished that it got more recognition.
I am very glad that there are many people like you and me, in USA and here in Britain, who, appreciate art at its best. I still hope that the Academy Baftas and Oscars give the recognition that this masterpiece deserves. Am I deluded? The academy has become corrupt and disgraceful, considering the numbers of movies which have been ignored in the past few years- a disgrace!!
"Nothing in the world is the way it oughta be. It's harsh and cruel, but that's why there's us. Doesn't matter where we come from, what we've done or suffered, or even if we make a difference. We live as though the world were as it should be, to show it what it can be."
Listen to me, no matter who you are or what you have, you CAN make a difference. Be kind, always try to forgive, understand that people might think differently without demonizing them. Convincing someone isn't an ocean, you only need a drop.. Be well. I hope you all be well.
yeah it wasn't well received but has the making of a cult classic like bladerunner. I love how there are so many analysis and interpretation of the movie on youtube. This shows that the theme is deep and needs a lot of repeat viewings, and also a movie that won't be easily forgotten.
Buddhism also believes in the karma's and also describes the different types of beings that you can come back as depending on how you do in this life. All of this leads to Nirvana. Buddha is also recognized in Hinduism because, Hindus, regard Buddha as a reincarnated form of Vishnu. So in some cases, both religions have some similarities in that regard.
Actually I think Americans are in a great position to understand this movie: gay rights, the rights of minorities, feminism have been a part of social fabric of the country at least since I was a boy... 'times they are a 'changin. :)
I think its a beautiful way to look at life. The growth of a soul, traveling though different time periods to perfect their souls and doing the right thing, in all lives. That's one of the big ideas its trying plug, and I think for some it may be hard to follow, if you haven't been exposed to it before.
Nobody notices the daughter was the somni and was sacrificed by the same character that played her father.....in the past he is explaining all that to her and he comes to see it play out in the future........deep ass movie
Because it destroys the comfortable formulas that critics are used to. Its structure challenges and twists them--a kind of rebellion against another kind of "natural order", the "natural order" of Hollywood.
What’s cool here is that for lack of a better phase Hugo Weaving’s soul becomes a basically an evil spirit and loses all his humanity by the end. But yet his daughter the Doona Bae soul also loses her humanity but becomes a god and vessel for good in the world.
This hits hard for me. It reminds me exactly of my selfish father who when I would do anything slightly different, adventures, or try to do anything on my own would get completely controlling and tell me about how staying in his house was the best path in life but it was only the worst
Life tests you with another’s life everyday. I am amazed at how many good people there are in the world regardless of skin color. They have the choice of promotion and they pick people. I vote for anyone who consistently passes these tests. They lead by conscious not conformity.
It is true and as I wrote before the academy has become corrupt and disgraceful; a film like this, which was not even mentioned it does beg a question. I think, we should use the Internet to show our protest against the academy- a total disgrace!
Hi guys. I am late to the party’s, i watch cloud atlas For the first time, there are things I don’t understand.since you guys watch this movie many times. Would you answer my questions. It would be a great help on helping me appreciate the making of the movie 1. How does the music story impact the Halley Barry story? 2. How does the Halley Barry story impact the old man story? 3. In the Halley Barry story, why does Hugo weaving want to murder Halley Barry?
The story of Halley is important cause the book is reading on the train and inspires him to look for his liberty is the book that tells the story of Halley (the book was write by the kid who knows Halley and this is better explain on the book of cloud atlas)
This movie is not perfect but it's good, and was unessecarily bashed by American critics. I think the main theme of the film is the nature of humans to strive for freedom.
