I've had this same experience when I was much greener on a high B wing. Sucked into a cloud at 10m/s to where it was raining and nasty. The turbulence was so incredible I couldn't keep a heading; the glider was literally getting ripped up and around to the strongest lift. B line stall only worked to slow my ascent, still going up at 1.5 m/s. Eventually I stalled and tailslide 3000ft out of that sucker, tucked my tail between my legs and landed out completely soaked. That was terrifying.
Before going into the cloud direct yourself towards the exit, check direction on compas, big ears, full speed. If it's a really big cloud your digital compas might not work so always have also an analog one.
Why would a digital compass (which still relies on the magnetic field of Earth) stop working? If the direction is based on GPS tracking, then perhaps GPS signal can be obstructed by the heavy clouds thus losing the direction, but the Earth's magnetic field should work the same on the digital as well as on the analog compasses.
@@knuble I'd say electrostatic first and once lightning is induced, it in turn creates electromagnetic field. which may momentarily confuse any compas - physical as well as magnetical, though perhaps due to the much larger mass (thus momentum), the physical will not react that much.
Some of these comments on comments are a thoughtless as the people leaving them … I’d like to say nice flying.. nice track , a beautiful place in the world. Thank you for sharing
My first thermal flight in a HG...Dunlap, CA. Another intermediate pilot I knew with some thermalling experienceand I said I'll just follow you. And the vario was going crazy and I was ecstatic! Climbing like crazy and then he stopped circling and a made a straight line away so I followed...and realized we were 200' above cloudbase in this dome of clear air looking down the sides of this cloud. We went through some whispies on the edge and I thought it was so great! So I thermaled up and down this rock formation by the highway for 10 minutes and realized I was getting low...and looked at the LZ 2 miles away and thought Oh $hit! Arms in, head down...over the trees by ~10' and landed in the field adjacent. A memorable flight!!
Glad it worked out ok, nice twist prevention. When getting close to cloudbase I use bigears & bigears/speedbar to keep a good separation in the middle with the aim to just clip cloudbase when getting to the edge.
thanks! i wasn't expecting so much sucking to tell you the truth and i had in mind to go thru it and over it cause it wasn't so big, but the real problem was the temperature, i couldn't move my fingers from before and inside everything got frozen instantly , i thought the lines will brake from the ice hahaha so then after the wrong brake input spin came and everything else followed
@@741741 seperation from the middle of the cloud. You want vertical seperation when you're close, and when you're on the edge of it you can get away with being right on cloudbase since you can see and escape from the clear side.
Luckily sailplane’s pilots know they can’t fly in clouds, so you don’t risk to collide with one of them. By the way, I think it’s the same for paragliders. It reminds me of a sentence read in an old free fly magazine: what’s worse than hearing his vario while getting cloudsucked? Hearing another’s one vario…
Got sucked into a cumulonimbus back in 1989 in a hang glider took 20 mins of terror flying before I pulled max speed with the bottom bar back to my knees before I flew out the side of it , the resulting down going air was as powerful as the upgoing air inside the cloud I was forced down with such a force that me head struck the keel and if it hadn’t been for my helmet I think it could have killed me! That was the last time I flew in such conditions, after all I’ve only got so many pairs of underpants!!!
Wow at 1:58 that aircraft far below you? Im not a pilot but that seems kind of scary thinking about a plane coming out of one of those clouds and getting hit. That's on top of getting sucked into it. I don't know maybe para gliding isnt for me anyway. Anyway be safe and God bless all of you.
Interesting how people can‘t judge weather beforehand and just fly under big clouds they can‘t handle. Then, doing nothing but pushing the speed bar. No ears, no spirals. As soon as they are finally in the clouds they panic and try small spirals. As soon as they see a little bit clearer again they nearly stop spiraling - just to get sucked up again. Get an A-wing, get an open harness and get back to training before doing xc in weather conditions you can‘t handle properly. Learn how to do big ears, learn how to spiral steep and learn how to judge weather, how to read clouds. Its no rocket science. But it is ridiculous to upload such behavior as a pilot with such smileys like it is a joke.
Getting sucked into the cloud, having a collapse followed by a twist and sailplanes circling in the vicinity. Pretty much all of my nightmares all rolled into one. 😅
Sure the gliders were gone! I'm a glider pilot and if I see one of these flying tea bags I "run" like hell to get away. There enough thermals without these tea bags...
I fly sailplanes as well, and occasionally fly with para gliders. They are easy to thermal with ( preferably if they are below you ) as their turning radius is so small you never lose sight of them. Mind you I know most of these guys ,and some are carrying airband radios . They are actually very easy to spot ,especially above the horizon. Mind you if it gets too crowded ,I'm off in search of my own thermal.
the only regret i had was for the tempreture and what i felt from the cold. the wing didnt flapped by it self, i put half of it in stall cause of my brutal input, the rest was half over breaking and half correcting the situation. of course im gonna do it again in higher tempretures .
I don't know why you fly with a wrap on your hands. On C glider you should never need to wrap it, with an exception of some aerobatics maybe. The stall was induced only by you, I would think that you lost orientation in the cloud. You also kept stalling it couple more times. You have to let it gain some speed, also the wrap didn't help. You don't need that much brakes to keep the wing in a stall. Also you shouldn't use spiral to escape sucking cloud you always end up in the the same thermal again, in an extreme case you will get tired or lose consciousness before you manage to loose any significant altitude. When you come close to the base of a cloud you should orient yourself on the closest edge of the cloud and keep that direction, you can add big ears and speed to that. If you lose site you should keep the direction with GPS or compas. If you don't have it keep yourself far away from clouds, you won't be able to keep the direction inside of a cloud without instruments.
agree in all that, my brakes are a bit longer cause im used to wraps, indeed i put it in the first spin and then i was trying to solved it. at this point wraps "didn't ring a bell" . the plan was to pass thru. but after i was in the temperature was wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to cold to stay , like instantly deep freeze
@@AlexRaflas Check that out, I fly with ball type brake handles, but this is also a really nice and comfortable way of holding it, doesn't need extending the lines. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Fwvl3uPwOms.html
I think that if you keep your glider in a straight flight (accelerated) you naturally go out but the pilot is the one that decides what is the best option... some good situational awareness could anticipate this kind of situation... if you get the situation under control it's OK... congrats for sharing this... could be very instructive for our community .
@Hemersonr Souza sure, you can do whatever you want. I usually just climb in the cloud until it gets to wet and then exit through the side :). If you have to fight it you're doing it wrong.
depending your experience your skills your time in the air your type of glider, u choose what to do and when to fly. that day wasn't for beginners for sure but again if you are a beginner you have a instructor to tell you if its good or bad for you to fly, if you are a non beginner the choice is yours to take. That period i liked hard-core conditions to fly.
Looks nice... As 4 me I would preview the situation... if I did not , I would rather choose BIG-BIG EARS... 1/2 of surface... spiral in such turbulence...rather risky ...:)
When you spiralling, you are staying in the lift instead of going away from it. Why not big ears with accel to go straight or just go straight and away? Thanks for sharing the video.
Your are welcome :) the problem was that my fingers where so cold 🥶 ❄️ , there wasn't any way i could pull any line except the brakes and the lift was so strong even for the spiral, so, no chance for big ears and in general I never use big ears .
@@AlexRaflas spiral dives are disorientating in clouds… full speed bar on big ears and aim for the edge.. Your spiral dive is like mine… just a tight 360..
I've heard after a glider gets wet it really contributes to stalling and other kinds of wing problems because of the weight of the water. The other thing I heard was in a place where the ceiling is 3,000 and you get sucked up into a growing cloud you have a chance to fly out the side. In the desert Southwest of the United States the ceiling is 10,000 ft and if you fly up into a cloud it is growing so fast you can't fly out the side.
Jesus Man, get your nose down - that was thermalling, not spiralling. Nose down will be 15-20m/s - you only need a proper deep spiral for 5-10 seconds and you're golden... The final one at 2:58 was actually a spiral, the earlier ones not, and it was slow as hell - and you stayed in it for only 2 turns... You can clearly see you have barely a 45 degree banking outside of the 2 proper spiral turns... If you need to get out the sky, do it properly... SIV time 🙂
In this world there are rich people who are too blessed and have all sorts of flying things and poor people who aren't blessed enough. I don't know if I have nerves of steel but I barely have enough money for the lessons and epsilon 9 wing and I'm learning to fly it. If I can fly at all in any kind of conditions at all I feel very blessed.
Now look what you've done. You've stalled their argument. Now I'll never know which style is preferable in a sport i don't partake in...I hope you're happy, Cheesemaker. @@markmcgoveran6811
@@aljen9611 Yeah, I really like flying without that big heavy nuisance on my back. While sometimes I feel like it would be cool to be able to fly over certain places without having to worry about where to find lift, I think I would get bored of it real quick
What is the white coloured tape or streamer that passes on your left hand side at 3.03 - 3.05 - I had to pause the video and have a close look...? I think well recovered from an exciting moment or two and you seemed to be calm and allowed the wing to fly a much as possible without over controlling - lot's of learning in the video - well done...
Really great piloting! Enjoyed the video, but I personally hate white room :D It just freaks me out. Seems more then 5.7 m/s, as track indicates. Nice spiral, but it seems like even that didn't helped so easily (9.3m/s). Cool video. I was in Switzerland, flying monte Tamaro month ago, so sad that conditions were not good.
I Once put my Will Wing Euro Sport into a dive to get away from the base of a thunderhead at 13,000ft, I stayed in the dive, at times still climbing at 400ft per min. but on the average, I slowly descended It took 30 minutes or more to drop 1000 ft away into safety. A paraglider would have to basically collapse the wing to drop away.🦅
Alex, why didn't you spiral down? I mean proper life-or-death type spiral, with couple of loops around your brake handles, going down 25m/s, with glider completely horizontal, and the surrounding view turned into a zipping blur around you? Cos it seems you were taking things rather casually at the beginning, when you were at the base, and when maximum escape speed was needed. It could have easily gone the other way for you. Lucky dude ;)
I've asked this of another RU-vidr that posted a similar video. He said that when you pull a B-line stall that it takes so much effort that you are basically hanging by your arms to maintain the stall. Also, you might lose altitude of 8m/s with a b-line stall, and that's what Alex from the above video said he was in. A B-line stall might keep him from going up, but won't get him out of the situation. Plus his arms would get tired very quickly. That's what I learned.
This was rather mild spiral. I guess the pilot was tired and cold so he wanted to give himself some safety margin. It is not unplesant but the descent rate is poor. I would do the same.
@@Les__Mack B stalls have there place , Once you "crack" the weight on a b stall they arent too hard to hold . If there was 3 or more other pilots around me trying to get down as well then id probably do a b stall as it would be easy to keep track of where the other (spiralling ) pilots are . The decent rate would be adequate and im not going to spiral into another pilot accidently . Sometimes we can become fixated under duress and forget to keep tabs of other pilots
Looks the the turbulence tore your spare roll of TP out of your harness. Might have been good to grab that as it flew by, to clean the crap out of your pants ;-)
Speed bar (with big ears if necessary) to the nearest edge of the cloud. Then find sinking air. This is why you always need to know what direction clear sky is in, and preferably instruments to be able to stay in that direction if you do enter the cloud. If there's a chance of cloud suck, get out of the thermal BEFORE you have less than a 30-45 degree angle between the edge of the cloud. Spiral dives and other non-directional descent techniques are going to take way too much effort. Especially spiral dives, you might black out if you stay in them too long. Which is definitely likely if the lift is more than 10 m/s.
@ 3:05 a roll of toilet papper just thermaling :) btw, dont spiral when there are other pilots near/inside that cloud (gliders at this case), instead go full speed bar to the edge ot the cloud.
If you are in the white room and getting major lift just speed bar won’t do it. Spiraling and big ear on outside is the only way of descending. Don’t spread rumers online. Otherwise newbies will follow your advise and get into trouble Cheers
Going full speed bar from the massive lift into the downwinds at the edge of the cloud is basically a collapse guarantee. Like Matt said: Don't spread rumers online.
a piece of paper with a small cilinder in the end, it looked like a finished cilinder of paper you print receipts from a cash machine that was flying in the thermal around me
wow so basically , an induced spiral dive is the only way out of a cloud suck ? I dont think Big ears would have worked in this situation . ( I ask because I hang glide , about to start Paragliding in 3 month )
G's are ruthless in nose down spirals you can sink like a brick if you can hold your shaz together, they take practice and even then take big kahunas to do and hold!
