CLUELESS pilot causes multiple RUNWAY INCURSIONS..gets humiliated!  

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Where you goin you motherfucker you !?!?

"One dog goes one way da udder one goes the udder way the guy in the middle says HEY wadddya want from me"!?

Yeah, I was about to comment on that, too. I assume that the animation of that was in error because the controller would have really blown her top if that really happened.

It's more than just standard procedure. A clearance to taxi to a runway doesn't give clearance to enter onto that runway. Ever. There is no shared responsibility here. The pilot is 100% at fault and the controller used correct phraseology. He was right in believing that his clear and stern instructions would be followed. Yes, the pilot didn't read back the hold short part the second time, but we can't get into setting a precedent that pilots only read back the parts of the clearance that they want to follow, do whatever they want, and put it back on the controller to restate every instruction.

@@mtnairpilot As to your first point, that was a poor choice of words on my part. A taxiway clearance is certainly never a runway clearance. I guess I'll chalk that one up to insufficient caffeine... As to your second point, it's not a question of restating. The controller told the pilot specifically to 'hold-short', and the pilot did not read that back. Instructions like that require a read back, and the pilot's failure to do so should have indicated to the controller that the pilot either didn't hear, didn't understand, or didn't intend to comply with that instruction. The pilot was certainly at-fault for the second runway incursion, but the controller should have insisted he read back that hold-short instruction. Failure to read back controller instructions can get you in as much trouble as not following the instructions themselves.

@@kmoore02809sorry man, but technically, just like the first time, he didn’t have to tell him that he had to hold short. It was a taxi instruction to a runway for take off. The only time a hold short instruction is given, is when you are going to cross a runway. Now, he didn’t say “hold short”, because he wanted to reiterate the rule, not because it was an instruction.

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I have no idea what level that pilot is but I'm going to assume they are a beginner... It's unclear if the controller gave them a number to dial after but I think the controller is actually using a fairly reasonable tone. The controller is demonstrating that the pilot screwed up through their voice but is also explaining how they screwed up. If it is indeed a inexperienced pilot, even at a small airport like this, things can get confusing. Pilots and controllers both make mistakes and in this case the mistake was clearly on the pilot. My guess is they got flustered after their first mistake and it compounded the situation, leading to more errors. It's unfortunate but it could have been a lot worse. Sometimes we learn the hard way. Every pilot is going to make a mistake at some point (even far more experienced pilots do). So while non-pilots may look at an incident and shake their heads, fellow pilots tend to have more empathy because we have all been there. We have all done something stupid before. Admittedly this pilot repeated the failure which adds to the gravity of the situation but even so, it's not beyond comprehension, a pilot making a mistake and getting shaken by it and thus making more mistakes. The important thing is that the pilot learns from this. As a pilot, we are always still students. A pilot's license is a license to learn.

@@bertengineerlook at you, you learned another 3 letter acronym. Were you not hired for a job once?

Same way 15 years old drive a daddy truck…PPL in America is not WOW. Everyone can have it in two three weeks

Fair question, i guess

I live near a small airport. Doing circuits seems to be a "thing" for the flight school. So how exactly are these people supposed to get real flying experience? It's like reading the beginning and end of a book. At least fly to a different airport!

@@JoeSmith-ig3pr Because flying in the middle of the air, after you've got that down, doesn't improve skills. The area where you need the most practice is when you get to the edges, especially at the bottom.

@@peterstickney7608Of course.

@@peterstickney7608 Yeah okay but if you're always at the same airport you don't get to learn that sometimes airport configurations aren't what they seem to you (as someone used to just one airport)...

The numbers are almost 1000 feet from where 5AF is at. No idea time of day or condition of markings.

Not a pilot, but don't you just know the runways by looking at your compass? Runway 10 goes east.

Thats actually already a requirement, but its super vague

To cross an active runway without clearance is a fundamental safety violation, not necessarily linked to proficiency in English. Distractions or lack of preparation could be contributing factors, but blaming language skills particularly for this scenario seems misplaced in this context.

@@Flight_Follower Maybe, maybe not. The instructions he repeated back, were NOT the instructions he was given at least once. Also, reading airport signage may be a challenge if english is a second language of limited proficiency. In the written tests, the color and design of airport signage tells you if it's a taxiway or a runway. And written questions can be passed by simply matching a "03" and the appropriate coloration with an answer of "03" without having an actual understanding.

@@Flight_Follower but knowing English fluently does allow you to give the controller seemingly competent reply while potentially screwing up everything else yet still being able to make highbrow comments here on how those filthy foreigners shouldn't be flying...

They said "Hold short runway 10, switch to tower when ready." They were clear, just a little aggressive, also that mic with the gain turned up doesn't help.

What was unclear?

He Said "hold short" what's unclear about that? 😮

Could not agree more.

doesn't matter, you still need (tower) clearance to go on the runway. Even though it sounds like the same person.

A taxi to a runway clearance has a built-in hold short requirement. You’re not authorized onto the runway you are given a taxi clearance to.

I'm not an expert but I thought it was a rule to not cross another runway or even enter the runway you are expecting to take off on without permission. That fact that he crossed it and kept going tells me he was not situationally aware on where he was... And the runways are SIGNED and a different color than the taxi way... Maybe he got distracted in the cockpit and didn't realize he crossed it...

@@secondrule I actually think he saw the runway right in front of him when he taxied out and assumed it was that runway and his confirmation bias blinded him to all the facts otherwise. He only had to follow the guy in front of him. A taxi to clearance authorizes a pilot to cross all runways and taxiways enroute, except for the runway assigned, unless given a specific hold short

Taxi to a runway for take off never includes a hold short instruction. Hold short instructions are only given if you expect to cross a runway. So, taxi to runway 10 will not have it. If taxiing to 16 and have to cross 10, the instruction would be: taxi to runway 16 via taxiway Yankee and Alpha, hold short runway 10.

In New York, that isn't "yelling" that's communicating the severity of the situation. 😅

@@cobblerwillorange I know, I fly into KFRG and KHPN. 😊

Yeah, with winds 190 @ 10, I was a little curious why they are using runway 10 and not 17? Maybe 17 was closed for some reason?

Hmm. Maybe that was the pilots issue?? IYKYK

You might be surprised how your voice sounds in a stressful situation. I can almost guarantee you don't sound like you think you sound.

Maybe reviewed

Except he doesn't have a pilot license. He's a student pilot doing his first solo. It's stated in the video

@@Flight_Follower So many incorrect subtitles. Yeah the STUDENT PILOT** is in the wrong but work on your subtitles if you're going to criticize.

Apparently…he didn’t…

He should have. I can only imagine that, since the controller was working all the positions combined, maybe they did not want to deal with it. Also possible he got it later, since the tape ended prior to the frequency change.

lol, i would have asked "you want progressive taxi to the runway youre already on?"

I just looked up N445AF and it's registered to a company called "Plane Nonsense Inc".

Listen to the recording, Winds were 09010. The transcript is incorrect.

Haha 😅😅 let not make fun of someone’s voice

Indeed

“Always”?

@@Flight_Follower "Always."

@@niteowlificationno it’s not.

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Yes it is and you're covering for murderous pilots.

Controller did fine. And definitely didn’t talk fast.

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@@Flight_Follower Alpha is past rwy 10. It was the controller who created the issue. He also did not issue a hold short instruction. And wow, what an unprofessional jerk atc. Still, takes two to tango and the pilot should not have proceeded on R10 and should have noticed the previous flight used R10, and what the ATIS said. Language barrier was also a factor.

@@kellyem33 The clearance limit on the taxi instruction is Runway 10. Although taxiway Alpha reaches to Alpha 1 at runway 17, the controller stating Runway 10 Taxi Via Charlie, Alpha" implies that you are to hold short of the runway, because of the clearance limit. A "hold short" instruction is also not relevant to this specific clearance unless the taxi route required a runway crossing to reach the hold short line. No matter what, you must need a clearance to cross runway hold short bars, and are also required to read back the instruction, as noted in most ATIS'. Language barrier also seems to be a non issue here the pilot and controller communicate mostly fine besides the pilots nonstandard phraseology at time. To line up on an active runway like that without a deliberate clearance takes a lot of skill.

@@Grannyok3 alpha is at the far end of the taxiway, beyond R10. Alpha does not mean hold short, ever.

@@kellyem33 I’d invite you to reread my comment or review the airport diagram. Your response doesn’t contextually make sense with what I said

Good question! I Don’t think the atc handled the situation that well

Don't know, maybe A/C on another frequency was in that area.

If you listen carefully to the ATC audio, the controller states "Wind 090 @ 10." Not 190 which the subtitles suggests.

I don’t think language barrier was the issue here…

@@Flight_Follower it just seems with ALL the vids where a person doesnt speak english as first language and old people they dont want to/cant follow instructions.

I've seen native English speakers do equally boneheaded maneuvers

Couldn’t agree more with you Just one issue The ATC is actually a male who kinda sounds like a female

@@Flight_Follower Oh, my God! Really?

Yup..listen carefully

@@Flight_Follower Listening to the audio again. With all the hollering, I guess I just assumed the controller was female. :)

Ikr.. even i got nervous 😆