This is common sense. Where I live in US you can't ride a bicycle on pedestrian paths; these PMDs are obviously more dangerous. We have designated lanes adjacent to the curb in the street that autos must respect.
the footpath and bicycle scooters are made for excise in the park but I don’t know why the government allowed them to share the roads with the vehicles 🚗 and they just following the traffic rules while on the roads
I'm a non-smoker too but I understand why it's not enforced straight forwardly..because the officers that enforce it are also smokers so they 'give face'
@@rz9018 Yes once I saw an NEA officer smoking on the void deck. Btw, I ever wrote NEA a long email with comments and suggestions. They called me to find out who am I. One of the points I wrote was that NEA as an environment agency to protect the environment, they shouldn't employ people who are smokers. Just like coca cola employees are not allowed to drink pepsi. Anyway look at the recent case of NEA engaged officers vaping after issuing a summon. So disgraceful
a few culprit destroy the whole society. there should be exceptions for people like him (disabled), or a special PMD path build along / parallel with the foodpath (that PMD clearly cannot move out and merge with the foot path).
Not to blame everyone either the LTA or the PMD riders. In fact majority teenagers youngster is causing big problem everywhere down the road. Minister of transport is smart but not wise enough to handle this matter. That caused him lost in the recent general election. I did came to LTA headquater and interviewed in early stage February 6 2018. Tried to solve the problem by age matter.(Age control for elderly and those who doing food delivery)(Parents to send kid to school too) LTA making a consideration pertaining to the matter. I am trying to help those who really needed to use PMD. Such as delivery rider, elderly people and parents to send their kid to school. I really said the LTA making a big mistake. Minister of impulsive. Taking an action without looking at the world. As we all share the same breath. So in this life please understand everyone. This is my 2 cents suggestion to all minister. We're just an human being. We can't live for a million year. No citizen No minister No president No Police No army No Singapore. The doctor is a killer and the lawyer is a liar. There's 2 very dirty this in this world. No 1 is the politicians. No 2 is the businessman. When you hold an aces card, don't think that you win the game. Just remember there are 2 more card is greater than ace card that might kill an aces card.
anyway since the last couple of weeks..at my area toa payoh... almost all the hibernated pmd drivers have woken up... and started to dash and manoeuvre around the footpath already la... where got ban sia!
i think the problem is not the pmd. it's the person who is using it. if they ban people who are not working for food delivery companies to use the pmd. it should solve all the promblem. other people can just use the public transport.
It’s all the yp fault, they’re the only one to blame, not the government and not the delivery drivers fault and somehow the consequences are far more worst for the delivery drivers than for the yps.
Even the riders themselves they don’t want to catch and turn in those errant riders, what to they hope to achieve by complaining when they don’t do the right thing themselves.
I feel like the use of PMDs should be regulated more and that only people who REALLY need it like the disadvantaged finding alternatives of earning incomes to support their families. I don’t think it should be banned for everyone
They were just talking about how a certain level of fitness is required for walking and Cycling then you see an old man in the background pushing his bike up the pavement with his legs. Lmao no excuse lah and old man is fit to cycle but a few fking mats and yp can’t?
We should seriously re-consider ALLOWING only PMD DELIVERY riders on footpath as they are doing a GREAT service to our society by bringing food fast to the last mile. The other "non-delivery" PMD or casual riders, which made up the majority, however, should be banned as they are (i) the majority and (ii) not doing a service to our society. In fact many of them are actually the culprits. Meanwhile the PMD DELIVERY riders have already created long-term plans earlier like starting a family or pay installment for housing or even starting a family. So their dreams came crashing down on 5 Nov 2019. The sudden ban shows a serious lack of empathy by some MPs or Cabinet members in their ivory towers. LAM PIN MIN was correct in his earlier decision to let the PMD riders remain on the footpath but had to relent to "stupid" MPs cashing in to make mindless statement without much thoughts or rationalisation. The hasty decision or quick fix "solution" to put the DELIVERY PMD riders onto the road is creating another set of problems. One joker even suggest for delivery companies to pay higher to the delivery riders and certainly this will pass the buck back to the consumers. As those eBike are not really road worthy and using the bus lanes, there would be many accidents or even deaths in the future. This would also create furor and certainly sabotage the coming elections. Perhaps someone had planned well for this sabotage. I am riding a motorcycle and notice that recently many buses or cars have been suddenly swerving to the 2nd lane to avoid hitting the eBike riders on the bus or 1st lane. As the vehicles on the 2nd lanes behind the buses could not see the eBike, they have to apply emergency brake to slow down considerably and only after passing the buses or seeing the eBike riders do they realised that the behaviour of the buses' drivers was to avoid hitting the eBike riders. I wonder why the MPs or Cabinet members have not done seriously studies or debates or gather sufficient feedbacks before making the sudden ban on 5 Nov. So if you take my suggestion to allow ONLY PMD "DELIVERY" riders on the footpath, it would be easier to monitor since (i) there would be much lesser casual riders (ii) easier to monitor these PMD rides and importantly (iii) protect their lives too rather than put them onto the road to endanger their lives to deliver food to our tables. We do have a conscience you know and not some airheads making low intellectual comments that is belittling the intelligence of the masses who are quick well educated too. Do the right thing, allow our citizens PMD riders to use the footpath but with greater supervision and detection. We should give the PMD delivery riders another chance to share the footpath. To the PMD riders, thank you for bringing food to our tables that is still warm and delicious. We appreciate your effort.
Food delivery is already not an easy job and now with the rules, it’s even more difficult. And all these new rules are due to inconsiderate people. There are so many inconsiderate people in Singapore. Sad.
Inconsiderate is the default state of people and they need to learn how to be considerate. But the government be like a stereotype SG pathological parent that shouts at 2yr old child when misbehaves a bit and confiscates all the toys and throws them away if they act up again.
It's not the pmd that's the problems... It's the riders! Just like having a car and a car licence, We need a pmd and a pmd licence, because they are still vehicles
Ban doesn't seem to work very well.. Non-delivery e-scooters are still riding and they are the usually the most irresponsible, most dangerous, especially those inconsiderate ah beng teenagers. Food delivery people should be allowed to ride for their work, it is their livelihood. But maybe they can be highly regulated not just by government but the delivery companies too, like constraining their pmd to a certain speed. And License plate their pmd. Modification on pmd should also be ban, especially on speed. Irresponsible rouge e-scooter companies(Tons on carousell!) should be put out of business as they are usually the culprit of illegal modification of e-scooters..
The solution is short and simple: - No one under the age of 18 should be able to drive a PMD - You will need a license to drive a PMD - If you cause an accident, you will have to be responsible for it.
Please lah thats also stupid. A lot of students depend on pmd to get to school so they dont have to worry about the bus You suggest that retarded rule as good as full on pmd ban
@@jettdiff5788 XD lots of student get to school on pmd? dont make me laugh i have never seen a single student use it to get to school. no need anymore yps
Mr Ang’s comment is so irresponsible, as a senior union leader instead of helping the affected ones he is proposing to aggravate the matter further by lowering the margins of the companies.
You guys still missed the point .. that the Minister did not do his homework before overnight ban.. He banned totally based on News report. He did not get proper statistic of those involved in accidents. Location most accident prone to happen and how it happen.
Im sure the minister did his homework. Most PMD users speed along the pavement and it is extremely dangerous. By checking statistics of accidents, do we have to wait for more accidents to ban PMD?
The minister banned it based on the increasing amount of people getting hurt, and the few who outright lost their lives caused by PMDs, directly or indirectly. If this is not "homework", what is?
Ok let me know how to stop modding and speed. Don’t say bicycle also can be fast. E bikes can be on road why not use that? Most accidents don’t get reported
Heartbreaking to see the disabled man pushing the escooter. LTA and minister not doing their job well from the very start. Increase PCN by 2025? Why didn't do it from 2012?
Maybe the way forward is to treat PMDs as another class of licensed vehicles like the motorcycle and allow them to go on the roads but not on the footpaths, PCN and cycling paths.
In the first place, the government should build bicycle tracks for all those peoples using such transportations before allowing sales in Singapore. It's too late after someone died than make a big issues out of it.
Why don't Singapore government expand the bicycle lanes to make it countrywide? 🤔 I mean, now that Singapore allowing e-pmd yet prohibited them on roads and footpaths, the government should work on expanding bicycle lanes to make it countrywide. Moreover, from this news, some e-pmd (that are foldable) are used as first miles and last miles transportation, which means supporting the public transport integration.
The ban is almost a joke, becos people dont care anyway and no one to enforce. What we need is for people to get some sort of legit license much like a driving license as well as age limit. Anyone else that doesnt have license should not ride at all. This give legit people who works with pmd to use them and kids and teens (who is the majority of the people that misuse the pmd) can no longer ride them.
PMD riders should have been made to go through a safety course right at the beginning. They're doing too many things wrong - not wearing a helmet, not wearing proper sports shoes or sneakers, and not watching out for pedestrians and other riders. Yet they're complaining that drivers on the road don't look out for them. Isn't that ridiculous? If everyone had started off with a sense of responsibility, there wouldn't be a need for such conflict.
Minister has a tough job, the only thing that keeps him going is his million dollar salary. So stressful talking to the lot, so many bodyguards in case someone wants to murder him. Without that salary, honestly a person with that caliber will rather be a ceo in an MNC. All our ministers will be highly sought after in MNCs like Apple. 😀
There are morons and assholes in the world. You see them everywhere, like driving a car. So it shouldn't be a shock to anyone, that this was going to be an issue. That said, if there was a PMD course you had to pass, would that help? There still are moronic drivers, so maybe not. What if only PMDs could be used for business purposes? What if there was an AI system that slowed you down around people? Bots will be making deliveries in the future anyways, but that will probably be decades away.
@19:02 “... I had no protection...” “... I felt really vulnerable...” “... foresee there’s gonna be a lot of accidents...” “... they are not drivers so they don’t know how drivers think sometimes...” This is exactly what pedestrians feel
@Marcus Wong @Marcus Wong I see how you think. You could always use bicycle lanes / pcn. You have option to switch to roads, if you do wish but pedestrians have only footpaths. Another point, it's the pmd riders responsibility to wear the necessary protective gear when riding on the road, just like motorbikes, I hope you don't try to argue and ask pedestrians to start wearing protective great just to WALK in their own neighborhood. Most if not all cars are equipped with dashcam, if any accidents should occur (God forbid) there is a higher chance of catching the perpetrator, unlike riders zooming past people, face masked, with no number plate. Finally at last we have your attention on why this ban is necessary. You're only hating it cause there is insufficient bicycle lanes for you. I'm sure if there was plenty of paths for you to take, pmd drivers probably wouldn't bat an eye.
@@wizdante just like irresponsible pmd riders. There are gonna be irresponsible ebike. As a driver i would not want them to be on the road as this will post risk to both the riders and the drivers. I forsee accidents with ebikes riders and cars and in time a ban may come yet again. Please do not think pedestrians are angels. As a observer, i frequently see pedestrians walking on pcn instead of footpath deliberately blocking bicycles or pmd riders.
@@PikaTx You're the eScooter equivalent in the eScooter-pedestrian equation. Drivers will be more careful or rather should be of their surroundings. Hope you don't argue otherwise, else, you might just need to go back to driving school and learn on how to drive safely. Cyclists and vehicles have co-existed all this while. Yes there are existing problems all due to the errant drivers of both cars and cyclist, but if you are part the majority of careful and safe drivers (I sincerely hope) and you give the eBikes the benefit of the doubt of doing the same, I see no reason for any increase in accidents due to this change. I'm not saying all pedestrians are angels, but if you are shaming all pedestrians due to the minority of people who unintentionally or intentionally stray onto PCN's, then you've just justified the point of the government banning PMD's on footpaths.
@@wizdante You are presuming too much. Claiming that I am a scooter equivalent has already showed your ignorance in driving. 1) For a driver to notice all events happening around is ridiculous. That is like saying pedestrian not being observant of what is going on around one. 2) To drive safely does not prevent all accident. You only have to meet errand drivers to be involved in one. 3) Going back to driving school does not solve any of the above 1 and 2. Cyclist and vehicles co-exist all this while and there are noticeably more and more errand cyclists being reported in the news. That would certainly be a possible trend with ebike in the question. And we since we are looking to prevent any occurrence (as per banning of PMD), why not preempt and ban ebikes instead of banning them down the road when tragedy counts increase. If pedestrian can knowingly stray into PCN, ebikes can knowing stray into higher speed lanes. If you can justify ban of PMD because of your reason, then to protect the lives of ebikers, ban them from the road as well. Unfortunately, in my opinion, your argument is not well thought out. Just like what the government has done. The only real solution to this issue is to improve our infrastructure. Based on documentary, ebikes, PMDs and bicycles has been around since 2013. However the government has been complacent in implementing dedicated paths for such mobility devices. It has been pretty clear with the actions of our transport minister moving PMD from roads to footpath followed by banning them. If we are to compare ourselves with our top global competitors, then our infrastructure for such devices is way below world class.
Whether you agree on the ban or not, this is quality journalism at its best. No sugarcoating the issue, just informing us on the different stakeholders and views, giving us the necessary information to decide our position on the issue.
Easiest solution: Only let food delivery riders to use pmd...easier to control and regulate.. anything happen after this, it will be on food delivery riders head.
I think food delivery companies should issue out registered PMDs with a max speed of 15KM/H for those that are delivering food. They should be allowed to ride on footpath as they are much more disciplined compared to YPs as abusive PMD food deliverers probably learnt their lesson by now. As for private PMDs, they should not be allowed to ride on footpaths only PCN paths because with registered PMDs, it’s easier to track the rider in the event of an accident.
Candy store did not close when SG ban chewing gums. As a result, we have a clearer SG. PMDs and powered assisted vehicles alike cannot operate together on the same path with pedestrian. Its unsafe and the risk of accident is high - human response to the speed and moving force of such vehicles are of no match. Its destructive and can be deadly. I was hit by an e-scooters where the rider sped-off without stopping. Hence suffered a swelling paint finger for weeks with no compensation. Ban PMDs and e-scooters to bring back the safety level to all pedestrian - young and old that we once enjoyed.
Literally every country which prohibits escooters on pavements, allow them on roads... Singapore has the harshest overnight ban if you compare with countries across the reigon. Other countries actually do something about the real issue of errant riders (just as there are errant motorists) by imposing license requirements and age limits. Singapore's solution is truly the laziest.
Suggest to put on license plate on pmd with the riders particulars bearing on the said plate.CCTV camera to put up monitoring pedestrian walkways to monitor pmd riding illegally on it,focusing on the pmds license plate.Bear in mind its not to deter the pmd riders but to educate them to ride safely within a safe speed and to avoid any accidents with the public walkers.
E bike, another road hogger on the road....haizzzzzz.... everything is getting mess up, rider who took class 2b , just a waste of effort, e bike no need....to spent money on license
I drive a car but yet I too had quite a few dangerous near misses with PMDs because they would just shoot out from the pathway (sometimes behind parked cars) right into my lane on the main road and at times, they would suddenly dash across traffic lights to beat the last few seconds of the flashing "walking man light"! It's terrifying to say the least because they are silent and very fast, it is almost impossible to spot or hear them until it is almost too late. I also can't count the number of times when I almost had a heart attack to have a PMD whisked past me and missing me by an inch or two :( Too many accidents involving PMDs already... and to ignore this problem any further is pure negligence on the part of the lawmakers! If PMD users could just spare a thought and make it their priority to ensure the safety of other users of pathways /roads and not be too focused on reaching their destinations in the quickest time possible, I think we all can definitely share the pathways/roads together and everyone wins! Also, instead of just complaining and trying to force the government and the rest of Spore to give in to their demands, I hope PMD users will also come up with their own suggestions to help the government make appropriate and useful solutions to this problem... let's not forget MPs dont't use PMDs for a living and as a result, we cannot blame them if any solution from them are more idealistic rather than a practical and effective one. As I see there are already many promising and great suggestions in the comments, I hope the Government is reading and paying attention to them :)
Those brave people who have a handicap and still work as delivery rider / driver should be allowed to use mobility devices that are better suited for them, those with 3 and 4 wheels. An e-scooter is absolutely not good for balance and safe riding, if for example there is a problem with one leg as shown in the video. These mobility devices should have a speed limit of 6 kph if used on footpath, which would allow for ample reaction time. They should have a clear marking on the vehicle, and a timer on the phone that allows them parking for a short time (such as 15 minutes) on spots where parking usually is not permitted. The drivers should get a course about how to be a friendly role model which we all will be happy to see and greet, and not become a public nuisance like the e-scooters. That can also be combined with a point system where they can be rewarded bonus points at the end of the day, and then exchange these for extra financial bonuses from their company for safe driving and proper parking. Those with bad behaviour shall be banned only. Pick out the rotten fruits and enjoy the good ones! Make it safer for handicapped people on stabil 3 and 4 wheelers, but not on flimsy China e-scooters! And the other fully capable riders should use power assisted bicycles where the motor is only used to help on sloops and for starting from stop. Why would we reward laziness instead of supporting fitness? These riders can participate on the same course / class as well. Even performing a short riding demo may be considered. Everyone who wants or needs to ride faster should use the road and the vehicle be considered being moped or motorbike, inkl. requirements for mirrors, 2 independent brakes, insurance, etc., same as all motorized road users.
@@cheongenghoe I live in Sydney Australia now, you can't ride on foot path unless you're under 18, I remember clear as day when they I implemented this law in the late 90's
Big difference between Government Taking ACTIONS and Government taking the WRONG ACTIONS. Enforcements should be carried out massively before deciding on the ban. We pay our ministers millions of dollars and this is the shit they delivered to us? This is a USER problem, not DEVICE problem, go after the user, not ALL USERS. Start a National Safety and Awareness Campaign to it a responsibility for everyone to do their part and spread the word. NOT JUST 1 SIMPLE STUPID BAN.
Even with the advisory period, walking on the footpath,seems like the early 2000s(yr).. with only bicycles to look out for while walking. Government needs help those delivery guys(PMD)with needs 1st...eg. alternative jobs.
@@AvengeBasketball there will still be people doing it lol implementing a fine when lta stop working at 7:30 or 8:30,whose gonna enforce it? The police? sure they can but how many police do u want to petrol everywhere
Pig’s Life It’s just like u ban drugs but people still smuggle drugs, so what happens when u smuggle it? U get a death penalty but do pple still do it? Obviously. U cant stop people with intentions bt u can only contain the situation. Even banning PMD u tink there wont be law breakers who still ride them? If u impose a heavy fine for law breakers then its their choice to weight the consequences. Just dont get caught. LTA stop working bt there pple like u that probably will take a photo and send them after office hours lmfao.
Why not just have power classification categories like motorcycles and cars , so less powerful e-scooters say 250w motors and below are allowed and above that, for 251-500w motors and above that 501-1000w so the more powerful ones are allowed on roads and are treated like motorcycles as they can keep up with traffic so requires a licence, the mid range ones are allow on cycling paths only and the low end ones are consumer grade for general use on foot paths. Heck they can be taxed accordingly to sellers. A one time tax of 20% of the cost for high end, 10% for mid and 5% for low end thus it increases the bar to get them. The existing ones can be grandfathered in to the system. With the safety ratings of UL2272 in place. All requires a minimum age of 16 and a course on how not to be an a**hole when riding.
If the authorities had followed Japan and France, the death and accidents could not have happened the way they did. Even if test is required before allowing escooters on pcn , is LTA going to be accountable if accidents happen despite the test or licensing or certification ? Do you singkees see what's is the issue here? Because the authorities allowed pmd without being fully ready with infra or rules or safety management, the victims are paying the price at the expense of the lack of wisdom. Learning in the job? Learn As they Earn? At who's expense? You call this world highest paid politicians? Erosion of good governance .
Just allow PMD on road ar and most Vehicle have dash cam and it's the Rider's fault then the Driver have no obligation to be punish The law in Vehicle Accident also need to be changed, it's never always the Drivers fault as well
They are not really ban. Just not on footpath. But truthfully it’s not an overnight ban. There is no enforcement until next year so people are still riding 🤷🏻♂️🤣
Those who mod their pmds should face heavier penalties. Govt should consider pmd licensing, aka driver license for PMD. Modding inspection should be stepped up. Lots of riders spread news about enforcers. Maybe enforcers should consider catching in plain clothes and at irregular locations.
Good journalism. ....minister only cares about his own paycheck, driving in the cocoon of his luxury car, and not understanding the man/woman on the ground.
Well why can't they follow other countries like imposting license and allow it on road. Since e bike are also allow on road why pmd cannot be on road? And don't they know to use traffic crossing to turn right?
Well my father whom have pain in his leg and have difficulties walking uses his pmd to move around to market. He does not use the wheelchair. So ya i think people with walking difficulties like the elderly does affected by this ban.
The majority of the population agreed and supported the government banned on PMD. It is a safety hazard to pedestrian and motorist. And, also a fire hazard during charging to neighboring home. The food delivery have started about 30 years ago by the fast food chain with bicycle and motorcycle as their mode of transportation. There is no reason why the online food delivery services have to use PMD for their food delivery. If the dissent continue, then food delivery services have to be banned too.
dude Singapore is so good at imposing fine . All they need is just too impose thousand dollars fine and community service . For example ratting out those ppl who are breaking those rules
Additionally I wish to point out an important point. That most of the previous irritants on the footpaths are actually non-delivery PMD riders but a group or even a certain gang speeding up and down the footpath terrorizing people for their own agenda. Old CCTV footage, perhaps can reveal who they are. But you have to do it fast to prevent these footage from being erased or lost somehow. Take care. There are good people in this society to make Singapore a better place for everyone.
QUESTIONS THE JOURNO DIDNT ASK! Why was a social asset lik footpath allowed for commercial usage of food delivery companies? If I had to walk on road , I know the risk n buy insurance, why shud i expect to get knocked down in footpath n void block n buy insurance? Is there a way for anyone of the 6 million ppl in Singapore to avoid footpath n void blocks ? Is 7000 old delivery ppl’s higher income matters the most than 6millon ppl’s safety ? If riding on road is not safe for delivery ppl, then allowing them on footpath safe for walkers ? Why shud taxpayers pay for the salary of enforcement officers when a social asset is commercially exploited while causing inconvenience to the society? These 7000 jobs r in existence only for 2 years, what were they do for living Two years ago ? Until robots can delivery food, commercial exploitation of footpath cant b stopped? Does our population density n land Space allow us to draw a policy parallel with other big countries?
i think all e bike should be lights up on their device so as other vehicle can see them...thats e problem, e car or other vehicle on a 4 wheel may get too comfy
Very funny At first residents stresses the MP to force a ban. MP then stresses LTA . LTA kana pressured so they ban. Now the stress goes back to the MP who need to face the people themselves. If now the residents stresses the MP up , they will go back to beg LTA . Well done LTA , best Tai Qi master
I think many people qualify to do an MP job since learning on the job is something anyone can do. I am sure I can do U-Turns very well also. And the salary is an amount so big I would feel ashamed to accept as it's taken from tax payers
In the past there were no e-scooters and we still live life as per normal. Car-lite city vision does not mean we have to use e-scooters. If e-scooters speeds be default were manufactured and hard set to like 2km/h or equivalent to walking pace, then they are safe to be used on footpaths. Anything with speed greater than a walking pace should stay on roads. Period.
Sorry, my bad. He wanted pmd to be allowed back on footpath again, but, also more legal enforcers to catch the errant ones. Maybe he is referring to those who speed on pmd.
No matter how fast communication technology is, it is not able to reach the widest pockets of the community, conventional methods are still important, we had the so many successful campaigns before, why not do it again? It works. Not a stupid ban.
It is never PMD problem. The problem is with people mindset, some riders dont look out for pedestrians and are irresponsible same as some drivers on the road. We dont see sports cars being banned because you know why $$$
