Sadly he was also the one who ruined him...I think Johnny had the potential to become world champion if he was coached properly like by Miyagi. No one could have touched him, except maybe Miyagi himself.
I think that maybe they removed it because he makes a VERY good point and it might paint kreese in a sympathetic light, while they want him to still be credible as a villain. With the tory subplot going on, we already know he's not 100% dark, maybe adding too many scenes like this would weaken the character, make it less credible as the scary sensei
@@profchaos91 I agree with everything you put here but I feel it wouldn't weaken the character or show to show Cobra Kai sensei's showing some occasional bits of effective insight. Like if they left this in, it would lend credence to Kreese and Silver having this distorted sense of wisdom and not being 2-dimensional villain types. Based on that, it would show how Kreese / Silver mentally / philosophically justify their approach to karate training.
@@arcane8110 i feel what you are saying might be true, but this particular point feels a bit too close to the Myagi-do's philosophy. He should've said something on the lines that his father lost because he refused to show no mercy on an injured opponent and started feeling guilty over attacking daniel's weakness, which is technically a bit true. Kreese had no qualms on talking about focus and balance and stuff like that, johnny was never thaught anything like that in cobra kai
@@bertatafel1938 yeah but from kreese point of view, he aloud his good feelings or his sense of good of bad made him hesitate about actually sweeping the leg. So he didnt told a half truth, he told his truth like jhonny told his point of view to miguel.
@@ann415. Kreese was lying to Robby without telling him it was Kreese idea for Johnny to do it and Johnny hesitate since his mind was 'sweep the leg? Isn't that cheap cheat move?' And Johnny's POV to Miguel was still the jealousy and soul searching moment since he was still brain dead from early drinking
@@bertatafel1938 im not saying that kreese is telling the truth, im saying that is his point of view, he is the master of no mercy and tbh we cant actually belive he teached jhonny to win without does tricks befofe since he was fully cobra kai brainwashed.
Looking back at this scene I know he clearly meant his heart and to stay focused but after watching season 5 of cobra kai it’s almost as if Kreese knew to protect his chest from Silver’s dirty chest attack. It’s poetic he points Robby needs to protect the same spot that Kenny Payne hits Robby and Hawk in
Only problem with this theory is Silver said let me show you something I've been working on which makes me think he came up with it while kreese was in jail unless Kreese knew of the concept of the punch just not how it looked like.
This scene makes perfect sense. When Johnny heads up against Daniel in season 4, Johnny was able to counter against Daniel’s new chi block move despite not knowing about it. Johnny may not be in his prime but his battle IQ is still top notch.
He makes a good point. In the first movie all we see is Johnny after his breakup with Ali which basically snowballed the plot of the whole movie. Had he not broken up with or even dated Ali in the first place thjngs would've been much different.
Doesn’t matter he still has years of experience and training while Daniel literally just learned the style within weeks. Yeah he was sad because of the breakup ? So ? Let’s not forget Daniel is dealing with bullying and also issues at home lol. Not to mention Johnny was a prick to Ali and was the aggressor !! He showed a lot of toxic and abusive traits in their interactions.
@@Hinokami777 Given that Johnny has at least two points of attempted manslaughter against Daniel, he should have been in a jail cell during the tournament.
@@Hinokami777how many years and experience doesnt matter, it matter more bout the teacher and teaching. This is the 21st century experience doesnt mean anything if it doesnt bring results. Miyagi was clearly the better teacher but johnny was the better fighter
Very provocative statement by Kreese. Basically he's contending that Johnny moved in on Daniel (and into the vulnerability of that Crane Kick) because he was focused on revenge against Daniel over Ali and not focused on winning the tournament. Plausible and well thought out script writing here. And ultimately Kreese's commander didn't inform him of the loss of his fiance while at war, and that ultimately was likely why he sent him over the edge into the pit rather than pulling him up. It comes full circle.
Johnny was actually confused if you think back. Remember "sweep the leg"? Johnny didn't want to but Kreese pressured him. The "real" genius of this writing is that it shows even more so how much of a snake Kreese really is, blaming Johnny's emotions when he was the one "manipulating" Johnny's emotions.
@@hugejackedman3447 It still works because the entire goal was to win the tournament and Johnny lost focus of that over Ali. Johnny would have beat Daniel had he just did what Kreese told him to do and not rush straight into a telegraphed kick. Daniel was in possibly the worst position you can think of when doing that kick, he wasn't even doing it offensively which if done right actually makes the move somewhat practical which is what Miguel did when he was mocking it. Kreese may have been trying to make him do something he didn't wanna do but the point still stands that he cared more about revenge than winning. That was the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak.
@@gagetaylor192 But "did" he care more about revenge than winning? Because I have never heard of "hesitant vengeance"! 😂Like if you want revenge on someone you're gonna go for the damage right? So when Kreese told him "sweep the leg" why did he have qualms about it?
Theres also the fact that kreese impacted johnny’s psyche by telling bobby to break daniels leg and then telling johnny to go for the cheap shots which caused alot of doubt for johnny in his ability and his sensei. This is touched on in cobra kai during the tory sam tournament fight where kreese doesnt make the same mistake and tells tory to fight her best and how she feels is right
I'm glad this part was deleted from canon, as creative as this scene was, it denied the whole point of the original Karate Kid movie. The iconic Karate Kid story that everyone loves is always about a bullied victim stood up and learned karate to defend himself, and in the end he managed to become a better fighter than his rival and defeated him fair.
Understandable, but at the same time this scene really does add more depth to both Johnny and Kreese’s characters as we get a glimpse of not only what was driving Johnny in the past, but also how Kreese’s mindset really is just the fact that he tries to block out any emotions to try and “be strong”.
They shouldve kept this in. This scene correlates so much with robbys love/care for kenny. I think hawk wouldve benefitted too had robby not told him to take it easy on kenny. Even though kenny had plot armor.
@@essagamer1438 Tell him that there was no evidence of Johnny actually being unfocused due to Ali. We didn't see any of that in then tournament or throughout the rest of the movie.
I don't understand why some people in the comments are saying Kreese has a good point. Kreese is a sociopath and endeavors to instill the same toxicity into his students. I think Johnny lost that fight because he began to realize what kind of person Kreese was. If you recall, Kreese's conduct and behavior at that tournament resulted in him losing his students.
@@denverlilly3669 Kresse thought what he was doing is making his students tougher. He acually cared about Johnny. And he was right we must always protect ou heart even in real life sometimes our heart makes as hurt. But that doesn't mean we should be emotioinless. If we do that we will be robot but we need balance between our heart and our mind.
@@tb90321 If Kreese is so smart then why did he hit rock bottom after 1984? He allowed a 2nd place trophy to destroy everything he built. He only got anywhere in CK by lying to Johnny and taking his dojo, and in less than a year he ended up getting a taste of his own usurping medicine by not only dragging Silver into his drama, but also treating him like a lackey instead of an equal.
it was an illegal kick to the face. johnny had face contact and it somehow wasn’t a point but when daniel does it counts? it doesn’t make sense. daniel got lucky johnny wasn’t in the right headspace
Bro they actually teach good concepts in Cobra Kai, like stoicism, never let your emotions get the best of you. If this was real life, Cobra Kai’s would have the discipline to resist starting a fight when they are angry. Even Kreese tries to teach them to save it for the tournament. The only thing that Cobra Kai does bad is teaching them “life is not fair” and “you should do whatever it takes to win” because doing whatever it takes has consequences like jail.
Bullshit. Johnny lost because Kreese pushed him too far. Made him compromise who he was, while Daniel fought despite an injury to gain balance, honor and self-respect.
@@michaelthatoker7125 this scene is definitely in the show maybe an edited version if it is in the show but this scene is 90% the same. As the one in the show.
I like how Kreese in Cobra Kai gets a lot of development and proves he's more nuanced than just being your typical old 80's villain. While you can argue perhaps rightfuly that Terry is indisputably evil, I think that's because while Kreese was only corrupted by his teachings from Kim Sung-Yun (sorry if I misspelled I'm running off memory rn), Silver was further corrupted by the most evil force of all - greed. I genuinely do think Kreese wants to make amends with Johnny as of Season 5, but he might not be ready to admit that. Kreese really is a wild card though, literally the most unpredictable character on the show.
I love moments like these. The show has regressed to "Miyagi good, Cobra Kai bad". However, Cobra Kai has some good lessons to learn as well (like Silver saying what your opponent is thinking is key).
I think the only reason this was taken out was because it would've spoiled the surprise of seeing Robbie in the dojo with Kreese. This way, we find out WITH Johnny and it's more dramatic.
Who else thought Robby was going to kick Kreese in the face after the life lesson? 😅 This deleted scene supports his future lesson on heartlessness. In Season 3, Kreese still has a heart, but he knows when and how to control his emotions. Kreese's weakness is his own heart and his care for Johnny. Furthermore, Kreese has never forgotten about his late fiancée. That's why he can speak on issues of romantic interest. By Season 6, Kreese has gone from stoic to heartless.
Bruh if they kept this it would have been a perfect parallel for season five spoilers: For when Johnny beats up those five sensies BECAUSE of his love for his family and kid-to-be
Betsy's death permanently scarred and psychologically messed Kreese up for life. What happened to her will always deeply hurt him no matter how much time passes. Betsy was Kreese's world, she was the only person he loved so much and deeply cared about, her warmth, gentleness and presence calmed Kreese in a way he never felt before and she also brought much joy to his life, he was madly in love with her, the letters she wrote him and just the thought of coming back to her after the war is what kept Kreese going through the unimaginable horrors in Vietnam and when he found out about her tragic death from Captain Turner the compassionate and kind hearted man who had normal feelings for others was destroyed. Losing Betsy was not only the final blow to Kreese's humanity but was also the main reason why he turned into such a cold, heartless and merciless person which he would be for the rest of his life.
He's lucky he didn't catch the top of his foot on Martin's elbow. He should be doing front or teep kicks on that pad, or anything with a forward motion. He should use thai pads or focus mits (or at least turn the body shield to the side) if you're going to be doing roundhouses. I've kicked an elbow tip before. The elbow always wins.
So? Daniel was injuried anyway. And Bobby was the strongest of cobra kai not johnny. Kreese told Bobby to take daniel out of comission with the knowledge he can! While he said to johnny sweep the injurief leg. And Johnny had already lost 2 - 0 with a bloody nose. So Bobby trashes Johnny.
If we think about it, he Isn’t exactly lying here, Johnny was way more experient than Daniel, his Physical was way better, but with all that happened in the movie until there, Daniel was way more focused while Johnny was mentally disturbed, his head wasn’t in the game…
They should bring back the referee (Pat E. Johnson) in Karate Kid (original movie) . Kreese cared about Johnny that he paid the referee off in Karate Kid so that Johnny could lose so Johnny could feel defeat and focus on karate instead of girls and Daniel. That is why the referee allowed the illegal crane kick so Johnny lost. That is why Kreese walked passed Daniel and Mr Myagi after the fight and just gave them a look. Then he went straight to Johnny to scold him and ruff him up. For the next season, the old referee feels bad about what he did to Johnny after hearing how his life turned out and wanted to make amends. This truth Daniel hears and now there is a rift in their new found friendship that Johnny actually would have won. Kreese paid off the referee so Johnny Lawrence could focus. Just like in his explanation in this deleted scene to Robby. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UlM5HEWxDQY.html
So if that scene played in Cobra Kai episode, Robby would’ve stayed in Cobra Kai with Kreese but the character Silver coming kinda ruined the whole drama tension. I think it would be extremely good show if Robby seriously trained with Kreese. Right now Cobra Kai season 5 seems like kiddo playground. If Silver never came back, Kreese and Robby would look more dangerously strong with Cobra Kai.
i think mostly what it boils down to is hubris; don't forget he the was the defending two-time all-valley champ & he was just some novice learning karate from a maintenance man so i think he got cocky as a result
the best line of the series imho "Cobra Kai isn't the problem, Terry Silver is." Sensei Kreese was right. Cobra Kai isn't the problem, nor is Tong Soo Do. Terry Silver is all about himself and he would use anyone to get what he wants, even Kim Da Yun.
@Ezana Melekot Look at what Aisha did in Season 4. Strike first (don't wait for someone else. Do it yourself.) Strike Hard (in life or anything, give it all you got.) No Mercy. (Don't give up and don't quit until you're ready. Don't let anyone stop you.)
@@orion3706 Well cobra kai didn't only taught you to do that in your personal life but it taught you to use it in a fight that's the probnlem in plus Kresse also ordered Bobby to make Daniel out of committion, he told Johnny to sweep Daniel's leg, he told Hawk to trash miyagi do and also he sends his students to Larusso's house. So not only Silver who was the problem but also Kresse was.
@@orion3706 Did you forget that Johnny started teaching mercy after he kicked Kreese out in season 2? Except, Chozen said that Kim Sun-Yung didn't teach tang soo do because his style was controversial, and Kreese's teachings is no different. And Kreese isn't about himself? He manipulated the students behind Johnny's back, took the dojo, sent kids to constantly harass Sam and her friends after the school fight even when Miyagi-Do was shut down, and sent them to break into Daniel's house after Miguel and Sam saved the All Valley Tournament that almost got cancelled because of the school fight started by his golden girl (Tory). Kreese even tried to manipulate Johnny with his silver tongue again at the prison by trying to justify his wrongdoings by claiming "everything I did was for you." Cobra Kai's gotta go, for good.
@@kevinthompson3569 It's ironic. Robby was Daniel's student in season 2, and he was the one who didn't show mercy. He won the fight against Miguel, but of course as we know, it cost him his freedom. The "no mercy" philosophy would've worked in Miguel's favor. Secondly, did you read my comment about Aisha? The whole "strike first, strike hard, no mercy" philosophy is very beneficial, if used correctly. Please read my comment again. Thirdly, about Tory, true she shouldn't have attacked Sam at the school. But Sam started the entire conflict when she and Miguel kissed at Moon's party. Kreese taught the students of Cobra Kai to never accept defeat, no matter how long the fight goes on. You fight until you win. Really, Kreese unknowingly followed what Chozen taught Daniel. "If your enemy insists on war, you take away their ability to wage it." Tell me how that's any different than fighting until your enemy cannot continue. One more thing. MIguel was right about Johnny. He practically gave the dojo to Kreese. He didn't fight for it, he didn't fight to save what he started. He gave the keys to Kreese, called it a mistake, and walked away, nor as a businessman, did Johnny get a contract in writing. Maybe what Kreese did, taking over the dojo behind Johnny's back was wrong, but Johnny didn't do anything to save his dojo.
