Intel is so stupid. I built a Z170 machine last year with a 6600k. My plan was to later upgrade to kaby lake 7700k. However, once I learned of coffee lake purported be on the 1151 socket and offer a 6 core, 12 thread 8700k, I held out for that instead. So since I have to buy a new motherboard to go beyond 4 cores, I'm just going to go with Ryzen and get an 8 core, 16 thread chip instead. Good one intel, you just lost my business.
Its alright. But games are beginning to take advantage of more than 4 cores. And I've considered doing some streaming and video rendering. So the extra cores would really come in handy.
Probably going to cost $400 - $500, but it'll have the same old 5 - 10% IPC gain, with a required delid for any reasonable temperatures and clocks, and no future platform support security.
+SlavjanA So you're saying that you think their mainstream i5 and i7s next year are going to be more expensive than their current HEDT platform. Given that the MSRP for their Skylake X 6 core is $383.00 - $389.00 (from Intel Ark). The i5 will cost around $240, and the i7 will cost around $350. Because that's what they always cost. "Platform security" is an absurd thing to care about tbh. No one with any sense buys a new six core processor every year.
other tomperson That's the thing, they're coming this year and so because of it I figure they're not going to compete with Kaby Lake price wise. With "platform support security" either you misunderstood me or disagree, but to me being able to use the same platform for a few years is much more appealing when upgrading your CPU as that's all you need to change, instead of having to buy another motherboard as well.
+tubester4567 If it's only 30% faster with 50% more cores, that would mean their single core performance actually goes down compared to what they offer now. If that is the case, they won't be able to beat R5 1600 in productivity and i7 7700k in gaming for another year.
Naticus Hideki an investment would suggest you're making money off the purchase down the line. Seems that a lot of millennials think objects that devalue considerably are "investments" and that's troubling.
Intel: Oh shit, AMD's wiping our asses! Better make our users keep buying a new motherboard every 2nd microarchitecture, even though there's no logical difference that would limit them otherwise. While we're at it, lets make a billion sockets and add/subtract a pin or two to make them incompatible. Also intel shill rite now: "Vega worse than 1080 ti" "AMD should've made a card to beat the 1080 ti at $500" "AMD doesn't like success." AMD: But our ryzen chips and vega cards beat both intel and nvidia equal lower price point.
+Spartanflu Oh shit ur right, I take back what I said about nvidia. Looks like they pulled up the volta release date. AMD *is* too friggin late. +Daan Suurmeijer If AMD can provide 8 core on the same socket as a 4 core with very different specs, so can intel. The sockets are hardly different and size and all it is a slight re-arrangement of pins to screw over consumers.
Intel improves to frequently and half the time it requires a new Mobo. Ryzen is cheaper, just as good and is made with gamers in mind. AMD has won me over.
I highly doubt any gamers is going to buy an RX Vega card... not that they aren't good but if you thought RX400/RX500 was popular with miners, then be in for an absolute torrent of miners lining up to buy every single RX Vega card AMD can spit out, and at more than MSRP. So unless you're willing to pay more, you're not going to get near them. I'm lucky enough that I got a Vega FE, and this thing is a beast in workload performance. Neck and neck with the $4000 Quadro P6000 for a quarter of the price, and still have licensed driver support.
I am waiting to see Raven Ridge personally. AKA Zen+Vega on an APU together. Would be great for laptops and ultracompact desktops like the Gigebyte Brix and Intel nUC sized pcs. 1080p gaming in such a tiny pack YES please.
Intel is really testing everyone's patience with this fuck-up where Coffee Lake is not compatible with 200 series mobos, it's like their fuck-up with their latest processors where they run hotter (ironic, right?), are more expensive, need a 2066 socket with no guarantee it'll be the same for the next ones and had PR fuck-ups like calling Epyc CPUs "glued together", they'll get slowly eroded away.
If i will be able to afford a GPU upgrade i will be getting a vega 56, and i will be getting one of the bundle deals because if need a 1440p monitor too, and 2 games is always neat
I have a 144hz Gsync 24inch 1080p monitor and a 980Ti card.... I can run practically every game 100fps (i cap my framerate to 100 via rivatuner) and honestly I am thinking of going AMD if it'll be considerably cheaper in the future. I am kinda irriated that a freesync monitor can be like
I'm so confused why everyone has a problem with Intel atm. They've been doing the same thing for the last 6-7 years. Coffeelake was always going to be on a new platform if you follow the Intel trends: Year 1 - even CPU # - odd Chipset # - compat 1 Year 2 - odd CPU # - even Chipset # - compat 1 Year 3 - even CPU # - odd Chipset # - compat 2 Year 4 - odd CPU # - even Chipset # - compat 2 The whole tick/tock thing has no effect on the Chipset advancements, which will continue to release yearly. Intel chips are only backwards compatible to the previous chipset if the chipset is an odd numbering. They generally change this every 2 years. This is all normal. Just because they are stopping the die shrinking every of couple years, doesn't mean that all their CPUs would magically be chipset compatible for a 4 year period. They'll update the chipset, hopefully fix their lack of PCIe lanes on their platform, slightly increase the IPC as usual and finally release a 6c/8t part on their consumer (non-enthusiast) line. It's business as usual except that their CPU process node is stagnating. If anything CannonLake is set to break the mold since it's apparently going to be on the same chipset as CoffeeLake, with IceLake being on the 400 series chipset (which I would expect to be backwards compatible to the 300 series chipset)
Meanwhile 2017 saw the first ever AMD motherboards which support PCIe 3.0. It turns out that keeping the same chipset year after year means you don't get shiny new features.
Because Intel should be done with it's previous system of tick tock in terms of performance but kept it in terms of chipset, which makes it look like a money grab
Lol, well Ryzen it is, fuck intel. I havew a z270 board with 6600k (Clock for clock skylake is better than kaby lake, so why bother with that over heating garbage for 200mhz of OC head room). I've used Intel forever, and AMD has been less than ideal for most of my use cases... Not anymore, Intel is the worst everywhere now.
I was hoping to get the 8700 coffee lake on my asus hero IX Z270, but if i can't... gonna switch to what more CPU power i can get for my money. So if coffee lake not compatible with my motherboard, answer is Ryzen.
these socket swaps are redicilouse... so annoying to have to buy a whole new mobo everytime i upgrade my cpu... may as well start selling the cpus soldered on at this point
that controller is going to be garbage 100% there is just no way to make a controller like that for $55ca and have it not be mad catz quality or worse. There is a reason MS, Sony and Nintendo have increased their controller prices, all 3rd party ones are trash, or turn into trash quickly.
Is it me or the Razer hardware development kit is Razer's answer to the Hue+. That's like 3 years old now, and Razer is running out of names for their products.
Intel is frantic to get their market share back but Like AMD in the past they are not understanding that making a more complex product lineup will just send potential buyers farther away
Intel should have gone with naming the chips Coffee Break seeing as the company has been on one for months allowing Amd to Sneak up behind them and bend em over.
Why haven't people understood that Pascal GPU's are over a year old now... If AMD just now over a year later starts "competeing", Nvidia still has a lot of headroom to keep being the top GPU manifacturer... And it makes sense that the 1070 cost more because it was, from AMD's perspective, ahead of it's time.
new era. there's gamers and miners. amd seems to be catering towards miners where they can upsell their card $100-200 over MSRP even if it doesn't beat nvidia in gaming.
You must be new to the industry, it was always an AMD thing to release stuff later but slightly better and cheaper than what competition put on the market earlier.
I think its a test from Intel to see everyone's reaction. Here's my reaction: NEVER BUY INTEL AGAIN!!! Lets show these tech giants that we don't take shit! Get a Ryzen! An 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen over that Coffee Lake. Or even the cheap Ryzen 5 1600x will out preform the I5-7600K Kaby Lake. Simples...
I expected the 56 to beat the 1070 at Doom (specifically because of AMD track record with Vulkan) and honestly everything else being how far behind the 1070 is against the 1080 compared to how far behind the 56 from the 64 just in compute units, I was only estimating a 10-13% better across the board, wondering if something is up with how these test where run, after all we have seen games where Vulkan (or OpenGL) over DX11 gave AMD boosts while actually hurting Nvidia fps, it's possible they wheren't running the optimal game API causing the Nvidia numbers to skew further downward making Vega appear to be even better then it is or maybe not, till I see benchmarks that actually compare different API's (or atleast mention it, since I didn't see it mentioned) I will continue to take these numbers with a grain of salt. ALSO are these AVERAGE FPS or PEAK FPS? most benchmarks I've run give you both numbers, based on AMD's own charts from there event last weekend they may have fewer frame rate drops which would give higher average more consistent numbers even if the peak isn't as high, oh well another 10ish days and we should know for sure (based on the mention in Netlinked the other night of an August 14th drop for Vega, which means reviews should come that day.
I think the vega 56 would be a great upgrade for me. I'm using a 21:9 ultrawide 1080p monitor for gaming, but my 1060 doesn't keep up in the newer games. I was going to buy a 1070 but this is so much more compelling. I think for the first time in years ill have to go from green to red.
To bad only vega 56 has a barely somewhat reasonable TDP, why do we need to consume 250-300 watts of power to outperform a card which consumes 180 in comparison?
Intel trying to squeeze more money out of people again. Unless we get a hint of Coffee Lake having significant IPC gains over Kaby Lake, do yourself a favor and go Ryzen now instead of even thinking about waiting for it.
Just a question has no one rear the Wiki it even says on the Coffee lake wiki socket 1151 im so confused are we gonna need a new mobo because thats kinda fucked also asrock saying shit dont count now if Asus or MSI said it thats real news lol
2016: GTX 1070 2017: Vega 56 which is better 2018: GTX 2070 (maybe) which is better than Vega. So basically AMD isn't battling neck to neck. But providing their Graphic Cards when theirs a void in the market for a new Graphic Card. That way someone building in 2017 won't have to get an year old GPU.
Yeah, I won't be going coffee lake. For my next upgrade, I'm going Ryzen. I'm beyond disappointed in my Skylake i5's performance compared to my old FX-6300, as well as price to performance ratios with the new Ryzen chips compared to Skylake and Kaby Lake. Also, I'm not okay with supporting such a shady company. I only got the i5 because the FX chips were aging, and the only new thing AMD had at the time was FM2+ APU's. Between their illegal and immoral anti-competition behavior in the past, and their anti-consumer practices regarding overly aggressive planned obsolescence, I doubt I'll ever buy anything Intel ever again, with *maybe* the exception of laptops and SoC tablets/microsevers, for the rest of the foreseeable FOREVER. I vote with my dollars, because I'm too broke not too. My money is precious to me, because I have so little of it, and I'll be damned if I give it to a scummy company like Intel.
Still not going Vega. I run dual Aorus 1080ti on my main machine and an overclocked FTW2 GTX 1070 on my basement rig. My Aorus system runs AAA title's all above 60fps on Ultra 4K and the 1070 system can still run AAA on Ultra in 4k with acceptable framerate and for anything that doesn't get what I want, I can always stream my games from my main rig downstairs. AMD cards have been useless over the years for anyone other than bitcoin miners in 2011. Having said that, their 1800x processors are amazing (in my main system) and I'd buy another hands down before I get another i7-7700k like I have in my basement rig.
Been wanting Covfefe Lake, but I said screw it: 7700k should serve gaming fine for the foreseeable future, plus we don't know much concrete about CL, and BIOS and MBs on launch can be troublesome. Maybe I'll invest in AMD stock and encourage competition, now that we're finally seeing life from them...
5:22 Ncix, advertising the "regular price" of that cpu is just plain asinine. NO RETAILER is selling this nor ANY of the Ryzen lineup for the regular price anyways. Your prices are an absolute turd. newegg and amazon ALWAYS have you guys beat to hell and back on pricing of the exact same items. Just stop.
I would of bought a new coffee lake cpu if it was z270 compatible... but it's not, so I'll just stay on my 7700k Kaby lake. Fuck you intel, I'm switching to AMD for my next cpu upgrade.
Keeping my 6600k for awhile. I'll upgrade to whatever AMD has in another year and a half or so. I simply couldn't hold out for AM4 mITX. I built my computer right before R7 launch.
I have a Razer Blade 2017 right now and definitely want a thread-ripper/vega 64 system. Wouldn't even think of going Intel right now. The competition from AMD is refreshing and impressive to say the least.
