The battery and starter in diesel vehicles are designed to be much larger and more robust than gasoline vehicles. It is normal to keep cranking diesels until it starts.
@@TheGoose31 All diesel-rated batteries (measured by groups or Amp-hours or CCAs, take your pick) are capable of cranking the engine during cold starts and providing the amperage needed to glow the plugs (which take a huge amount of power on top of cranking the engine). You can't just plop in any cheap Wal-Mart battery and expect it to work as well. You have to stick with an OEM or a heavy-duty (expensive) battery that can handle the demand, especially in the cold. The same applies to the alternator.
@@CertifiedGShep and this battery is still impressive. the end. I know this is the internet and everybody is dumb, but dont assume youre the only one who knows anything about diesel batteries
I noticed a lot of people were commenting that you're going to kill your starter. He didn't crank it that much and it minus 18 degrees. I don't think it's in risk of overheating LOL
Its not the heat that might kill the starter, its the Amperes! If the motor isn't running, the ohmic resistance is really low, which cause a very high current (I = U/R). And this is too much for the wires and coils inside the starter, so they'll just fail no matter about the temperature. But you're right, what he had done isn't critical at all. It's a starter, those things are made for currents way over 100 Amps, so you can crank them up a bit :D
YEP !!! This guy hasn't figured out you MUST cycle them *USE THE LIGHT ON THE DASH!* and when the light goes out, cycle the key again. Do that 3-5 times THEN Turn the starter over ! Jeeze! You're gonna kill that starter.
No need to do more than twice. Very fast preheating coil goes off. My 1.9 tdi 66kw runs fine in -27 with few preheating cycle. Oil changed before winter, good diesel, good battery, good glow plugs.
@@1998delangston of course it have a reason to come, maybe you dont't know what it is but my egr valve had some malfunction+i cleaned my dpf.. i bet i know more about cars than you
my 2004 TDI with almost 1,000,000 KMS fired up at -30C no problem. proper oil, proper fuel, proper fuel additives, good battery and new glow-plugs every year before winter..... sounds like glow-plugs though... they may not be dead but they sound tired from that laboured start. and no, that cranking won't burn out your starter....
I think owing one of these is a blessing. My work parking lot doesn’t have power outlets for staff cars but my boss allows me to park by the building thats close to a power outlet just because I drive a TDI. One -45 evening my car was literally the only one that fired up
I mean, I have a 2006 VW Jetta and it starts to not like temps at 40 F (4 c) and I'm AMAZED at how the car started at the end. Really good car! Wish they would make it again and give it more recent features!
Used to have this car 4 months ago, but the turbo broke probably from the harsh winter start ups. Sold it cause it was too much in repairs. Was the best car I've owned. Had around 260k miles with little maintenance till that point.
Oil pan heater would help to circulate some heat a bit faster and cut the resistance of the crank spins down substantially . Also new glow plugs are a must .
What a lot of guys don't understand - you don't have to heat the combustion chamber or the air, you don't have to cycle the glow plugs multiple times. It takes 5-10 seconds for the glow plug to get red to white hot. that is the source for your fuel to ignite, you don't need anything else: change all glow plugs at once, check them annualy when they are more than 5 years old.
Mine didn’t start couple of days ago and it wasn’t really that cold, only -5 deegres, but luckily the reason was just a bad battery, so i changed it and now its starting at first try every morning 👍🏽
@@shahrozalijafri8816 yeah it would, it's not up to temperature but the cylinders and plugs would be a lot warmer than the -18c that it was when he started. If he gave it a few minutes the cold engine block would probably suck out the little bit of heat but the heat wouldn't transfer away immediately
Did you check the "emission workshop" failure? That could indicate that one or more glow plugs are failing. Another problem could be a dirty EGR valve. This thing was filled with lots of soot in my 2005 Passat PD TDI after 160000 km, so that the engine couldn't get enough fresh air. After cleaning it started much better.
You can use paraffin to thin the fuel on cold weather, also if you spam the ignition on and off you’ll generate more heat in the glow plugs to help start quicker
Mine is about the same. I will be installing a coolant heater to help with cold starts. Pretty much the only thing you can do is lighter oil, strong battery, glow plug system working properly and warm it up somehow. It's a lot to ask from a little diesel. My truck starts colder than that withou being plugged in but I feel bad about it.
I have two cars with petrol and I can live without no worrying about when I could drive. Yes, petrol costs a bit more but actually this is not that big difference considering the fact that I could always start driving, even within an emergency.
Have you started a old mechanical injected diesel in -25? No glow plugs, just the old blowtorch inhalation routine. Not as much struggle. I've started tdi b4 passats at much more frost, and those where rental cars with 300~400 thousand kilometers on the odometer. On diesel vw forums people suggest changing the fuel filter every 40k km or earlier. Go for a compression test, but i do not belive that a tdi should give up so soon
@@alfiebrotherton935he may be talking about cars that used to be in rental associated companies that were sold to the public after having too many km/miles for their customers.
thats why i have ignition or glow or what is it.. the spiral on dashboard, for manual button, i press it for 15sec, with key in 1position, and then my engine starts in 1second.
The fact that it started at all is quite amazing considering the fact that no glow plugs were working! YOU NEED NEW GLOW PLUGS!. You see, the glow plugs light on the dashboard did not stay on for very long at all. At -20 degrees you expect the plugs to glow for at least 5 to 10 seconds the first time around!
NO !!! There is a LIGHT on the dash@!@ When that goes off, it means you have to Cycle the key again. Do that maybe 3-5 times.. THEN Actually engauge the starter... LET THE DAMN Cylinder warm up. That's what they're for !!! Use the BRAIN !
You're gonna kill that starter. There is a Glow plug light that's on the dash. The glow plug only heats as long as it's on. The colder it is, the more times you're gonna have to cycle the starter key. I use 10 degree increments below freezing as my guage. SO, if it's 0 degrees F outside, that's 30 degrees below freezing. problably overkill, but I key it 3x at 0 before fulling enguaging the starter. but it starts on the FIRST Crank every time. Say it's -20f, that's 50 degrees below Freezing in F. SO in this case, I key it up 5x before I actually enguage the starter... it will ONLY Turn over 1 or 2 times doing it this way.... I might be wrong, but it WORKS ! Never drained the battery, never burned up a starter.
the starter is fine. I've owned lots of these and the starters don't die from cranking for 10 seconds. Also in this car it doesn't matter if you cycle 3 times. The injectors may be going. The camshaft is getting worn. 1 glow plug maybe was out on this day.
Just talking from experience of the 7 VW TDI's (3 my boys have and 4 my buddy has bought for his Grandkids) my boys have in this Northern Mn Climate, along with 2 90 & 91 IDI Ford trucks. But while you're craking it that long, you might as well put your fry pan with your eggs, on the battery post to make use of the melting posts if you watch them. But obviously what do we know. LMAO! And running without oil doesn't hurt the bearings either ! All we all know is that that method works to get it to fire no matter what the time in one or two turn overs, but if you like that grinding sound have to it....
Timmyc4t it ok, according to him he sold the car and still thinks it’s on the road and driving , plus he mentioned in a previous post that he doesn’t need to read the car manual .. he knows more than all of us
You have to put in diesel fuel additive when it gets below 5 degrees F. Diesel fuel gets thick when the temps are low. I had a 2001 Golf TDI in western Pennsylvania. We would always have a week or two of subzero temperatures. I never had a problem starting once I started putting in a fuel additive. You have to do it with every tankfull as per the directions.
Its an older car and also probably dosent have the compression that the motor had 12 years ago, which will make it start harder. Let the glow plugs go atleast 3 times before you try and start the engine. Give the starter more of a break
I used to have a car just like this one. I had many mornings like that and never had a winter colder than 40 degrees F so it would start on the 4th try on a bad day.
My sisters mk5 does that stuttering before it fires up. Like it’s running at 200rpm but the starter still is turning it over. Literally ever since new I’ve just cycled the glow plugs a couple times and left the key to turn the car over. It hesitates for about 10 seconds and then it fires. I do it like 100 times every winter and it gets to -30 here
You don't know how to use a diesel ! You must start IMMEDIATELY after the glowplug light switches off. If you wait, combustion chamber is gonna cool down.
YOU dont know how diesel works, the glowplugs keep their heat up for a couple of seconds even after the light has switched off. Dumb fuck dont comment without info.
@@turboahdettusupra58 In this video he waits too long. Glowplug light indicates that glowplug are operating. When the light is off they don't operate. There's no need to wait so long.
I don't need no book learnin'! That starter was ice cold. I've owned lots of TDIs and never seen a starter fail. 20-30 seconds cranking is fine for these fine German/Mexican automobiles.
