Coldgate DC Fast Charging Test w/ US Spec Hyundai IONIQ 5 77kWh

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It’s time for a coldgate test of the Hyundai IONIQ 5 77kWh US version! We’ve heard many reports of Europeans seeing not much over 30kW so we had to give it a try and see what our US cars are doing. As far as this test goes, it’s not totally repeatable. We’d love to see more data points on this charging curve with colder and warmer temperatures!
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@KyleConner 2 года назад

If you’re curious, we have this IONIQ 5 on the newest software version listed below. I’m not sure we’ve seen many tests with this software, i hear it was a huge >30gb file so perhaps this is why we are seeing such acceptable cold weather charging! NEEV USA S5W MV007.001.211208

@joel89039 2 года назад

I highly recommend using obd to watch battery temps! I charged at 3f at 10% and saw it charge at 65kw till the min batt temp hit 15c. Then it jumped to 130kw. At 20c I hit 170kw. Then at 25c I got 230kw. Once it hits 130kw it heats up fast.

@josedelacruz256 2 года назад

Is this acceptable? Isn’t Tesla better in these temps due to warming up the battery on the way to a supercharger?

@joel89039 2 года назад

@@josedelacruz256 supposedly Hyundai is rolling out a update this spring to add preheating. We will see though. Also for road trips it doesn't matter as much as the pack holds it's heat for hours even below freezing.

2 года назад

Iv'e said before, let us control and see preheating ourselves! Guesses don't always work, and we might have a better idea of our needs than the nav system has.

@josedelacruz256 2 года назад

@@joel89039 i dont get why they dont just launch the car with this already enabled. Thats just silly. Its an obvious feature that is important.

@davva360 2 года назад

Electrify America really needs to get this stuff sorted out. In this example we have a charger down for a week, and on top of that connection issues. It really puts me off electric vehicles. These charging systems need to be rock solid. Imagine being on a trip, you have 10 miles range left, nearest alternative charger is 20 miles away and you have to mess around for 2 hours to try to get the damn charger working. Tesla chargers seem more reliable but with all these other alternatives coming out it should be an exciting time to get into an EV. For me, for now, its still a no.

@aussie2uGA 2 года назад

It’s yet another reason why Tesla dominates this field for now.

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

re: "Electrify America really needs to get this stuff sorted out." they won't, the fact that THEIR OWN VW group vehicles (think ID4, Porsche Taycan, and Audi E-tron SUV) often times don't work should tell you everything you need to know. it's one thing if a Chevy, Ford or Hyundai has problems at an EA station, but what i just described is for all intents the SAME "business model" as Tesla and their Supercharger network. VW aren't dummies they are the same people who built the Veyron, resurrected Lamborghini, bought Ducati, took the record at Pikes Peak with the IDR, and have won the LMP-1/Hybrid class 16X at Lemans. if their chargers don't work it's because they DON'T WANT them to work.

@steelydev 2 года назад

Luckily 99% of your charging will take place at home. You will have ample range each morning. Unless you can't charge at home, then you have a great point!

@davva360 2 года назад

@@steelydev yes I get that, but if you want to be able to road trip at all you need a reliable network. Its the one advantage Tesla still has. There are at least 4 Superchargers in my city, or will be shortly. There is already one 15 minutes away and another one that will be about 10 minutes away opening shortly. If you ever needed a fast charge there are plenty of options. Only one EA charger and if that's broke then you are out of luck. I understand I probably would not use the ones in my city as I would already be charged at home but it seems like it is indicative of the rest of the Country.

@steelydev 2 года назад

@@davva360 Nice! My nearest DC charger is 97 miles away. It's a 50kW. Sad face!

@tacophan 2 года назад

These charging sessions gone wrong are just brutal for the industry. It's beyond me why they can't get this right.

@4literv6 2 года назад

Because the other oems don't know as much about batteries&charging them quickly as tesla does. And they are to proud to ask for help imo. All modern evs absolutely should have a heat pump setup standard across the model lines. All new evs headed to a fast charger need pre conditioning to be standard in anything other than say a 60-75° temp range. Because otherwise the battery won't be warm or cool enough to accept the max c rates. Yet afaik only tesla offers standard pre conditioning en route to a sc on all their model's. All evs need to have standard plug n charge for any charger imo as tesla has offered this since late 2012 with the sc network. I mean people brag endlessly about the new egmp platforms supposed charging capabilities or the other new 800v platforms like taycan&lucid air. But if you match them up tesla still meets or exceeds them on miles of range recovered per minute of charging. Case in point car and driver got 187miles in 15mins on their latest plaid charging test. Tesla has been able to do 70miles or so in just 5mins since late 2019 across it's model line and 180-200+miles in 15-20mins. Which again matches or exceeds anything else on offer still despite only using the 400+v architecture. Plus there are a lot more v3 scs working very reliably then anyone has of the 300+kwh chargers. Ea itself only offers about 5% of their chargers capable of the 300+kwhs. Plus teslas network doesn't suffer from the errors either. 🤔

@rogerstarkey5390 2 года назад

Watch the latest Munro live. It's like a tidier Mach E system. Long hoses, multiple circuits, multiple components.

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

re: "It's beyond me why they can't get this right." it's because they DON'T WANT to get this right. we must get the courage to recognize how our desires/interests as consumers are the POLAR OPPOSITE of the desires/interests of BIG OIL and the OEMS. though we might talk about this from time to time, observe how this REALITY never really quite "sinks in" to our understanding and conscious behavior.

@PumpUptheJam81 2 года назад

@@4literv6 This is good comment. I could not agree more with your assessment of teslas ability to be the easiest to live with, as well as having a vertical charging network that actually works property. Three months after your post and we are STILL seeing these comical yet pathetic charging sessions from the non tesla EV applications. The industry REALLY needs to start taking itself more seriously if they are wanting to sell these things and KEEP people returning. It will take just a few people waiting in line at six charging stations with three inoperative to drive them back to gas.

@4literv6 2 года назад

@@PumpUptheJam81 thank you very much. People dismiss me like I'm some super elon fanboy. I'm just very proud to be an American, and a fan of an U.S. based ev company that also happens to be a true world leading company. We can't say that about many companies outside of tesla and spacex nowadays. 🤔 I realized year's ago now tesla is the de facto standard for modern evs period. They do in house vertical integration, full stack top-bottom software development and engineering. Build their own motors, own inverters, own battery cells, run their own proprietary fsctory software in factories they've built faster and cheaper than anyone else can do. They design their own chips, seats, castings etc. All of that connected real time to now millions of teslas having been driven for billions of miles. Means they are so far ahead in total real world gathered date it isn't even funny anymore. And they just shared the sc network worldwide is powered on 100% renewable energy&energy credits. What's not to like right? 😎

@Bro-food 2 года назад

Genesis GV60 currently on sale in Korea works with the battery preconditioning function. Starting with the Ioniq 5 sold this year, the same battery preconditioning function as the GV60 will work. So, even in winter, it can be charged at the maximum speed as soon as it arrives at the charging station. There are rumors that the previously sold IONIQ 5 will feature a software update, but you will have to wait.

@dorhocyn3 2 года назад

We recently purchased a used older Tesla with free super charging for life and this kind of video helps us appreciate the supercharger network that we normally take for granted

@PumpUptheJam81 2 года назад

So true. I am open to other makes for EV’s but it is the lame charging network/experience I do not want to deal with.

@ady9910 2 года назад

As far as the ev6 owner's manual says, turning on the winter mode will do pre conditioning the battery.

@ej1450 2 года назад

I’m Korean and this is only youtuber pronounces Hyundai properly. Love this channel!

@rocurs165 2 года назад

How does Kyle never wear a jacket in sub freezing temperatures 😀

@rzu7120 2 года назад

Because he's poor, and can't afford one. Let's start a Go-fund-me page to help him.

@dconner9 2 года назад

Don’t blame his parents; we tried…

@DougThompson 2 года назад

@@dconner9 LOL

@cansly92 2 года назад

I like your channel and understand that you are doing your best to find "cold" conditions... I can tell you that my Tesla, when brought cold to a supercharger at -16 deg F took 5 min to initiate a charge ... at 10kw!

@andrewt9204 2 года назад

Yeah, I had a similar situation when I was testing cold supercharging in my model 3 LR. My guess is that 10kw is the most power the battery heating system can use. Which is fine, I'd rather the car warm up the battery first before charging as it's easier on lifespan.

@Chrisb8s 2 года назад

Did you navigate to the charger ? The car should have begun pre conditioning

@cansly92 2 года назад

@@Chrisb8s Real cold soak. Supercharger is 5 min from my voyage.

@uxlab 2 года назад

I keep imagining the scene where Kyle goes through the glass window with this little Scooter.

@newscoulomb3705 2 года назад

4:29 This is exactly why I don't pre activate the charger. Every time I do, it hangs on the app, the charger, or both. The most consistent way I've found to activate is: 1) Plug in, 2) Allow initial handshake to complete, 3) Activate the charger on the app or swipe the NFC.

@steelydev 2 года назад

With Hyundai Kona- 1) open app 2) locate charger on map 3) indicate correct port 4) swipe to start 5) plug in 6) press connect button on charger. Mind blowing.

@newscoulomb3705 2 года назад

@@steelydev As I said, I've seen that order cause the app/charger to hang. It's just a slight change to the order, but it seems to alleviate this issue I've seen Kyle and TFL run into using the order you listed.

@steelydev 2 года назад

@@newscoulomb3705 Bottom line: I've used EA 3 times and had to call tech support 2 times. Luckily, was able to eventually charge in all cases.

@newscoulomb3705 2 года назад

@@steelydev I've probably used EA three times in the last week, and it's been over two years since I've called their customer service line.

@ConorV 2 года назад

26°F is a cold day? **Laughs in Michigan**

@kiddcisco 2 года назад

Cant wait for the OTA update here in Canada especially for those east of BC to improve pre heating of battery. It does have a Winter Mode option as you guys mentioned in settings which assists when temps get below -5° C from my understanding. I can't wait to see some peak speeds where I am located in BC Canada but we have very few 350kWh chargers, best I have found is 175 kWh Level 3. Thanks for review, loving the car though! Gonna compare my software but I know I have latest I hope to match what you show but could be different being in Canada?

@lanceareadbhar 2 года назад

Hyundai have promised a software update to precondition the battery on your way to a charger in the first half of 2022. To my knowledge, it's not available yet. I got around 60 kW for a long time before jumping to 120 kW at around 66% in sub freezing temperatures. Hopefully, it starts warming up everywhere soon and is fixed before next winter.

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

re: "Hyundai have promised a software update to precondition the battery" unfortunately Elon promised the Cybertruck and working FSD (and we still haven't seen either) and Beth Holmes also promised the Edison Blood Testing Machine, and Trevor Milton promised a Hydrogen powered Semi. you would think we'd be wary of "promises" after all thats occured (or rather HASN'T occurred) in the last 6 years.

@rud 2 года назад

I see a new out of spec reviews video, I click.

@braydonsnoddy9743 2 года назад

EA here in Eugene, OR has one 150kW and one 350kW working. The other two have been down for a year and a half. No repairs after countless calls and reports :(

@brandenflasch 2 года назад

I may have to try and cold soak my ID.4 and test, though it’s not very cold here.

@Morimikmo 2 года назад

it starts full charging speed usually after 15-20 min heating with lower speed.. you need wait more that you see full speed.. I have ioniq 5 and today i charged it with 100kW power.. It always starts about 60-70kW power and after heating, it goes up then. 20-80% lasts 35 minutes at 0 celcius and same was -5 celcius degree too

@martlet530 2 года назад

Does fast charging over time decrease battery life?

@brianhankins7803 Год назад

Any idea on how to pull the charging curve for the Ioniq 5? Or after using an electrify america charging station? I've been having great charging sessions and would be curious to check it out.

@nathansklar7086 2 года назад

Can we get a detailed (the nerdy stuff) video for ioniq 5 since it’s 800v, which 350 chargers are able to deliver the power to max out charging. Also if it’s cold and only accepting less power is it worth it to drive out of the way for a 350 or just use 150?

@nikhiljain14 2 года назад

Kyle I does Ioniq 5 have plug and charge capability on EA?

@CrankyOldNerd 2 года назад

and yet somehow the folks at EA found someone willing to rate them the 'best' experience of a charger

@IronmanV5 2 года назад

No joke. There was this thread on r/VWiD4Owners a couple weeks ago where none of the chargers at a spot would work in -15ºf weather. EA support said it was too cold.

@therookienomore88 2 года назад

@@IronmanV5 seriously -15 doesn’t work? It’s that cold for months at a time in the northern climates

@charlesball6519 2 года назад

Does the Ioniq 5 not pre-condition the batteries before you get to a DC Fast Charger, if you select one in the navigation software? (Answered in the video)

@wikn8r275 2 года назад

Sure hope to see the Electrify America system work more seamlessly in the future Getting better but I feel it should work quicker than that.

@Mosquito3314 2 года назад

your feeling is correct, it should work much smoother and faster. There really is no excuse as to why it takes so long for the handshake. From a developers/programmer perspective, I want to say Vw cheaped out on the hardware and is using a cpu that is probably less powerful and well as cheaper in general in terms of performance and price in these stations. Because reality is they dont do much, But clearly any good cpu can handle processes much faster and quicker than what is experienced.

@rogerstarkey5390 2 года назад

@@Mosquito3314 but...but.... "it's the best network!!"

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

re: "Sure hope to see the Electrify America system work more seamlessly in the future" if had a nickel for every time someone's spoken those EXACT WORDS in the past 3 years well, i'd have A LOT of nickels. hint: more than enough time has passed, the improvements we're looking for AREN'T COMING. something else we overlook is there's a REASON there are still no L3 CCS chargers (of any brand/type despite all the companies in existence) at the Nurburgring.

@Mosquito3314 2 года назад

@@phillyphil1513 Well the reasoning for no L# CCS probably has more to do with they will have to go and and break the ground and run new thicker gauge cables to support the L3 capacity of 800v charging. which most likely EA does not want to do just yet cause so few cars support it. So that alone cost a F ton of money. But something tells me that would just bring even more downtime on the current chargers lol, so idk but you are right. EA needs to up the game, these chargers need to be smarter, reset themselves and provide 90% uptime, handshakes should be seconds not minutes. For now i guess we just have to appreciate they do exist, and they do allow a non-tesla EV the opportunity to roadtrip.

@realev21 2 года назад

It is funny, but an older car, and much less efficient, the Audi etron, will not precondition enroute, however, its BMS really gets the battery up to speed quickly at a DC Fast Charger. So I know that Kyle likes to say that preconditioning should be a requirement for a great charging experience, but there are other ways apparently to solve the cold gating conundrum. Great video as always. (Yes I know that the battery does in fact precondition if you have it plugged into your level 2 at home and charging prior to departure, but that is an entirely different type of preconditioning and again more of a BMS function to get the pack to an optimal operating temperature for your departure alarm which has been set.)

@roman2011 2 года назад

that was nerve racking

@rogerstarkey5390 2 года назад

You need that OBD2 Diagnostic. The latest Munro live is an initial look at the "under hood" systems, including the heating/ cooling. They noted the probability of 2 different cooling loops, one high temp, one low temp (2 bottles/ 2 colors)this matches with the OBD readings from other testers (you know who). There are 2 data readouts. Marked "low temp and high temp. Low tends to run much cooler than high, but fast (ish) charge doesn't Initiate until it reaches 20+° C. By that time the high temp reading is (normally)way up in the 35+ range. But, when that high temp reading hits an upper limit, it cuts fast charge. The result of these settings is a narrow fast charging band. I should note that the early results I saw showed the hot circuit throttling at more like 45°, Bjørn's latest test shows it hitting 53°c...... I wonder if they tweaked it with software?

@marwankudsi9831 2 года назад

Kyle, how come Bjorn can pre heat the battery in his videos

@Chrisb8s 2 года назад

Omg. I am so happy I am on my second Tesla. That charging session was just ridiculous

@jamdoodles 2 года назад

I swear... every time I see anyone trying to charge a car there's problems. I swear. This is so ridiculous. Why is this so easy for tesla & so hard for everyone else? This seems like it should be incredibly simple.

@jamdoodles 2 года назад

like half the video is trying to get the charger & the car to agree about something. And it's edited, so I dunno even how long it really took. Nuts.

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

Q: Why is this so easy for tesla & so hard for everyone else? A: because it's NOT actually hard at all (we're only meant to "think/believe" that it is). turns out, there are a great many behind the scenes (sitting on high in their proverbial "Ivory Towers") who simply DON'T want BEV's to work (ref: BIG OIL and their natural desire to "slow down" mass BEV adoption). once we develop the maturity/courage to analyze and think about the problems we encounter in the world in "Socio-Political-Economic Terms", we quickly see a lot the questions we ask rhetorically actually DO have concrete answers afterall (aw crap) and yes most of these answers will be "unpleasant", but still they must be faced.

@sh969 2 года назад

Tesla has been doing this for over 10 years and controls their charging network so it only needs to work for like 5 or 6 different models. Hyundai has only been putting out full ev's for a few years, and has to play with dozens of different charging companies.

@bthegawd8113 2 года назад

@@phillyphil1513 charging station works like shit, blames big oil conspiracy….. gtfo bro.

@joshaxel 2 года назад

I did my first DC charge in my Ioniq 5 at a 150kW EA charger this weekend in the cold. Similar results when charging started, but I came back and turned the car on after I was done shopping (about 10 minutes) while it was charging and within minutes it jumped to 135kW and stayed there until I was done charging (46-80% in about 20 minutes at 35 degrees F). Not sure if the turning it on actually helped, or if the battery had just gotten warm, but I'd read that can help get it warmer...

@venups 2 года назад

Was that RWD or AWD ?

@XKS99 2 года назад

Kyle is American Bjorn

@nelsonoliveira1007 2 года назад

Same thing is happening on my 2022 Kona EV. Charging at 26kw at -10 Celsius.

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

re: "Same thing is happening on my 2022 Kona EV. Charging at 26kw at -10 Celsius" ok but what was your SOC when you plugged in...? 5% or 50%...? you need to clarify and be specific cause if you were in the range of 50% (or higher) then 26kw is decent, as that's 4x faster than L2. #DETAILSMATTER

@nelsonoliveira1007 2 года назад

@@phillyphil1513 20%

@newscoulomb3705 2 года назад

I think the biggest concern with "cold gating" is the delta between charging speeds during cold and ideal temperatures. So a car like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 charging (even at 60 kW) is a concern if the peak would be over 200 kW in ideal conditions because that's less than 30% of the expected speed. Still, it's something that could be worked around on longer trips, as a 60 kW rate on a 77 kWh pack would be perfectly serviceable for meal stop.

@joel89039 2 года назад

I have found that once the pack warms up to optimal charging temps it takes 6+ hours to cool back off to slower charging temps. (at around 10 degrees F) So really it is only your first charge of the day that is slower. After that the warm up to max speeds is less than 5 minutes

@alialioxynfree3905 2 года назад

Bro this was the most realistic case of how long it takes to charge your car in the worst case scenario. Imagine you get power outages? Omggg

@dionaeaqi07 2 года назад

Would heated parking spot help?

@dionaeaqi07 2 года назад

What is the software version please?

@Kimbrough87 2 года назад

I have the ioniq electric 2017 and when I use charge point charges I usually charge at 68kwh And that’s even and 10° weather

@jedglover8245 2 года назад

I have a 72/rwd in Ireland that comes with heat pump and battery heating, on the latest software I charged at about 6 Celsius and got 64kw, assume heat exchanger was heating the battery as fans kicked in at front immediately, after a few minutes fans ramped up to higher speed and charge dropped to 53kw. After about 10 mins the charge speed jumped to 125kw on a 150kw charger and remained there till mid 70 charge state where it tailed off. This behaviour has happened on all 150kw chargers with 50kw chargers giving 46kw normally.

@billolander4232 2 года назад

I have an Id.4 AWD Pro S and have noticed this same behavior. Even after charging for a bit and unplugging/replugging in. it still only pulls 50-75kw for most of the charge. Usually though it very very slowly ramps up but the last few times it only maintained or fell slightly.

@andreverville9492 2 года назад

Problem with the ID.4 is that the PTC heater stops heating the battery at 46°F and won't go further, even while DC fast charging where some of the inbound KWatts could be made to good use there. I imagine the Ionic 5 behaves the same.

@mondotv4216 2 года назад

I don’t know if it’s a different battery or just the different chargers and communication in the US.

@MeYou-dr7gy 2 года назад

Hey Kyle. Can you confirm Hyundai/Kia are still going to have a battery pre-heat/conditioning update? I know the 2023 will have it. It would be nice if they could implement into existing 2022 EV line

@therealcdnuser 2 года назад

Another reason Tesla still has the advantage with their own network. Why can’t these manufacturers get together and build a better network!! Where i live there is typically only 1 DC charger but 12 Tesla fast chargers.

@deeharper1364 2 года назад

Yea, different charging companies with their own protocols certainly didn't help the public.

@basementstudio7574 2 года назад

As fast as the Ioniq5 can charge it seems it can only do so in ideal conditions. Bjorn did a test awhile ago where it couldn't cool down to accept a fast charge. So until Hyundai/Kia gets a better BMS it's not going to be as advertised. Hopefully the OTA will happen soon.

@garycassap-brown7829 2 года назад

It would be interesting to see if running the HVAC whilst charging would help counter Coldgate and warm Battery quicker and then turn off HVAC once car reached optimum charging speed to avoid Rapidgate (battery overheat) ?

@TysonGodfrey 2 года назад

I just charged my IONIQ 5 RWD (no battery heater?) last night after 30 minutes of driving to the station in 25 degrees from 30% to 55% and also got 60 KW the entire time. Seems like the battery heater isn't doing much if I got the same speeds in similar temperatures...

@oholdeno 2 года назад

I plan on purchasing a rwd and live in the northeast. Hopefully I don't end up frustrated

@bholowick 2 года назад

I would love to know what happens at -30F. I live in Canada... Super cold here during the winter.

@InternetDude 2 года назад

I drove Tesla for 6 years in mid-Canada, see my older vids. It's brutal but if you drive and then charge (road trip) it's OK.

@susanneharvey4034 2 года назад

As far as I know, the VW ID.4 comes with a heat pump for Canadian models. This helps with preconditioning the battery for optimal charging, I think. I don’t know if they Ioniq5 comes with a heat pump on Canadian models.

@therealcdnuser 2 года назад

@@susanneharvey4034 yes, but not on the base model but all other trim levels a heat pump is included.

@pedantic79 2 года назад

Was the cabin heat on? It looks like everyone stood in the cold instead of trying to stay warm inside. Does the IONIQ 5 try to heat the battery or the cabin?

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

re: "It looks like everyone stood in the cold instead of trying to stay warm inside" because: Colorado. (nevermind negative temps) spend several days in the single digits or teens and anything above 30 degrees feels "warm". #RELATIVITY

@sh969 2 года назад

I'm a southern girl from Georgia (US). If it got down to 7°F, my car would not need to charge because my ass would be at HOME. "Cold charging" in GA means...it's below 60°F. 😄

@nantokairuman 2 года назад

Hi, Kyle. I can't seem to have my subscription to the channel persist; I click Subscribe, it turns to 'Subscribed', but then reverts after I refresh. Doesn't happen with other channels. Thanks for the work you do.

@aligenc659 2 года назад

Is it worth to buy an electric car in US?

@voyagerman22 2 года назад

That is exactly my experience with Electrify America chargers with my Bolt. Payment declined, the EA tells me to try lifting cable, they restart charger, and finally ask me to try using a different charger. However, I can say EA customer service reps are polite and professional. Often times they cannot resolve so they give me a free charge, but I’d prefer that it would just work the first time.

@rzu7120 2 года назад

I have a 2021 Bolt, and have never had a problem with the cable not connecting. I've never had to lift it. Do you have a 2017 model?

@voyagerman22 2 года назад

@@rzu7120 I had a 2017 and a 2021 and had problems with both. Not a huge deal because I charged at home most of time, but still disappointing to have so many problems.

@joshmatlock1020 2 года назад

I saw my third (in the wild Polestar 2) on Friday...I really like the styling of the cars. Not as big a fan of the space and storage of the interior though...love the interior styling though. Wish there was range for the price though.

@bradjackson1691 2 года назад

Also finally saw one charging in the wild in my area. I agree.

@joshmatlock1020 2 года назад

@@bradjackson1691 Do you have an EV? If so what do you drive? I have a model 3 LR but test drove a polestar 2 prior to deciding on the Tesla. Just get more bang for your buck on a Tesla in my opinion...I'm not a fanboy though. I love all EVs. Tesla just seems like the best option at this time.

@bradjackson1691 2 года назад

@@joshmatlock1020 yes I have 17 Bolt pre-battery replacement. I looked at a single motor Polestar 2 online pretty hard last month but would have to travel to Charlotte or Tampa to look at one in person. I've owned a 17 BMW i3 Rex two years ago before a total wreck took it away, then a Chevy Spark a year or so before that one. Yea Tesla looks good for many reasons but at the time it was too pricey. We finally got a Tesla Supercharger this year. I see a lot more Teslas and EVs in general in my area these days.

@AnthonyPinzone 2 года назад

The public chargers getting stuck is the most aggravating part of owning an EV. It happens far too often.

@RigiLiquid945 2 года назад

Imaging how that would go when temperatures go down to -40 at night

@dconner9 2 года назад

Curious. For those that already have their Ioniq5’s in the US: What happens after the free EA 30 mins are up? Does the session just end? Or can you opt to keep charging and just pay? I ask because in these cold temps while on a road trip, 30 mins may not be enough time to charge in order to get to the next EA with enough buffer

@taison03251970 2 года назад

I heard BMW also have the same deal with EA, after 30 minutes, you will be charged for the extra time, so the answer is yes if Ioniq 5 use the same deal with EA.

@AlexRobinett 2 года назад

You start to pay based on my understanding. Just got the car but haven’t gone over the 30 minute limit. I will update this once I know.

@KrazyKastorff 2 года назад

The session continues but you will be billed for whatever you charge past the 30min mark.

@dconner9 2 года назад

@@KrazyKastorff Thanks Cody!

@enoughofthis 2 года назад

@@KrazyKastorff can you stop and start another 30 min session?, or is there a time laps?

@TuomasLeone 2 года назад

Is it the battery, the software, or a combination of the two that causes the coldgating?

@mrmerm 2 года назад

Battery chemistry is the main reason, high amount of cobalt helps with cold.

@TuomasLeone 2 года назад

@@mrmerm Thanks, I did not know that.

@_TrueDesire_ 2 года назад

@@mrmerm Cobalt should never be used onwards though.

@tylerwilliams3897 2 года назад

Do cold test, but put cabin heat on. I find it helps out on the Ioniq.

@DblOSmith 2 года назад

I remember when it was 9 degrees outside, I drove my cold Model 3 to a nearby supercharger. I think I was getting 20kw for about an hour. lol

@911turbojk 2 года назад

This model is the Cyber Grey right?

@dconner9 2 года назад

Yes

@phillip1869 2 года назад

I like that Zach is also an XJ owner.

@jeepsandevs486 2 года назад

We have some cool stuff planned for the overlanding channel!

@MasterQuatre 2 года назад

I can't find the "OutOfSpecScoots" channel he talks about and I don't see a link. Anyone else?

@Lifeofpye314 2 года назад

ru-vid.com/show-UC6FyUi6naXPSBt47W9u3uhg

@MasterQuatre 2 года назад

@@Lifeofpye314 ah, thanks! Who would have guessed it ended in a Z? What is this the 80s!?

@Lifeofpye314 2 года назад

@@MasterQuatre true story. Luckily RU-vid auto filled the search on my phone when I searched out of spec s…

@glider1232 2 года назад

How does this compare to the ID.4?

@dconner9 2 года назад

Ask and you shall receive. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rbysdwm2_dk.html

@MrZola1234 2 года назад

Like to see it charging DC under normal conditions

@naarealy 2 года назад

I drive long distances and Supercharge daily to reach my destinations. I've been considering a non-Tesla EV, but this was just painful. It needs to be plug-&-charge.

@ktl2001 2 года назад

hmm was thinking of a Mach E or Ionic 5 as additional car instead of another Telsa but seeing all these issue at EA is a big problem.

@rogerstarkey5390 2 года назад

Watch the Bjorn 3 car Arctic Circle test from last year

@b127_1 2 года назад

Why don't EV's allow ticking a box in the navigation to say "this is a fastcharger" and preheat the battery? All the automatic stuff is fun, but sometimes it just does not work.

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

Q: Why don't EV's allow ticking a box in the navigation to say "this is a fastcharger" and preheat the battery? All the automatic stuff is fun, but sometimes it just does not work(?) A: i reckon it's to keep BEV consumers from being even MORE FRUSTRATED when the bloody thing still doesn't work after having repeatedly pressed a physical button. because: buttons create "expectations" (ref, Psychology).

@73henny 2 года назад

You need to add the time you spent looking at a car and charger not working. Another win for Tesla. These OEMs need to get the charging sorted. Bit like owning a 911 and not being able to open the fuel filler.

@ChicagoBob123 Год назад

The 2022 RWD Ioniqs have NO battery heating and can not be preconditioned. So in the winter they take over one and half hours to charge at 50F

@RonRattie 2 года назад

I've been maxed at 55kW when charging my ID.4 FE in 30 degree and below weather. Not great, but it will do in a pinch.

@MrMartinSJ 2 года назад

When your ID.4 get’s the software version 3.0, you should get better performance charging in cold weather. It will also be able to charge 9 min faster (135kwh) from 5-80 in optimal conditions.

@RonRattie 2 года назад

@@MrMartinSJ I really hope the OTA updates come soon. They promised by the end of 2021... and we have missed that.

@MrMartinSJ 2 года назад

@@RonRattie are you on 2.3 now? I received that in September 2021, we should receive 3.0 in Marts/April, but could be delayed

@RonRattie 2 года назад

@@MrMartinSJ I'm on whatever version my ID.4 came with in June. Not one update so far. Not sure what is taking VW so long to push them to the U.S. customers.

@MrMartinSJ 2 года назад

@@RonRattie ohh, I got my ID.4 in August, and have received 3 minor updates and one major (2.3). You must be on 2.1, which has a lot of issues still, and lagging screen. Really looking forward to 3.0. it contains travel assist 2.5, with automatic lane change, user profiles, faster DC charging, enhanced voice control, improved charging and performance in cold weather, shop function etc. The app will also be able to se if car is locked, if windows are up, and car location etc. we have been informed that we will be called in for 12v battery exchange and new ECU (Electronic Control Unit) meaning the computer for infotainment system. Not sure about US market.

@Dive-Bar-Casanova 2 года назад

Thumbs up.

@magnuslarsson337 2 года назад

Leaving out mentioning the Jaguar I-Pace, which was the car that battery preconditioning started with, must have hurt the engineers at Jaguar (JLR).

@alexhaddock4554 2 года назад

Wasn’t that only when at 100% and charging from home? Excluding the hazard light theory?

@darkpepsi 2 года назад

Is Electrify America the only (non Tesla Super Charger) that can put out 350 kW? Could other fast DC Chargers do the same thing as this Electrify America station?

@brandenflasch 2 года назад

EA is the most common for 350kW stations in the US currently, but many other providers have them also. EA uses standard hardware that anyone can buy and install.

@Groaznic 2 года назад

"This little flap is quite aggravating" -- heard that too many times from my wife.

@TheJasonaut 2 года назад

Just bought an Ioniq 5 and was planning a big road trip in a month…this is not reassuring. Tesla can’t open their network fast enough 😅

@Jstars200 2 года назад

Its the car - not the chargers fault. ioniq charges far from its spec in almost all tempratures except the ideal….

@rogerstarkey5390 2 года назад

@@Jstars200 So, about that "out of order" charger beside the one they used?

@joel89039 2 года назад

On a road trip once the battery heats up from the first charger it holds the heat for most the rest of the day. So all the rest of the chargers will pick up the rate much faster after the first one

@joel89039 2 года назад

I highly recommend charging before bed on a trip while the battery is still warm. Will save you 30 minutes in the morning

@rzu7120 2 года назад

@@rogerstarkey5390 Tesla has out of service chargers too.

@mts982 2 года назад

why would you not have home charging?

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

Q: why would you not have home charging? A: unfortunately these are the questions that "try men's souls".

@dconner9 2 года назад

@@NBABY-J check out our friend and colleague Tom Moloughney from his RU-vid Channel State of Charge where he goes in depth about home charging. Thanks for watching and great point about the majority of time we all charge at home :)

@dconner9 2 года назад

@@NBABY-J here is a link to a recent video that Tom did on home charging ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GjWmy-cQbLk.html

@dconner9 2 года назад

@@NBABY-J if you like it on paper and in the videos, my recommendation is to not drive it as that will be a very expensive 20 minutes :)

@InternetDude 2 года назад

Need Jeep XJ content from Zack.

@jeepsandevs486 2 года назад

It's coming to out of spec overlanding channel!

@jannetapio23 2 года назад

At least with the euro cars, the heat pump in the I5 will suck all the available heat from the pack to heat the cabin. Users have reported below freezing temps even after a deep DC charge followed by a lengthy drive. Did a 1000km test drive with the EV6 AWD a while back. It too dropped temps quite quickly after charging, but unlike the Ioniq5, the EV6 w/winter mode on kept the pack at +6C/ 43F. With both cars, the charging curve is "inverted" in the winter, ie. it will charge faster the longer you charge. However it never reaches the optimal power if the session starts cold.

@aaronhodgman 2 года назад

Cold weather DC fast charging makes the 30 minute time limit seem too short, if you're on a trip. I get the point is to move cars through, but charging at 50-60kW is going to take a while.

@susanneharvey4034 2 года назад

When on a roadtrip, the battery will be warm enough through long driving, that the charging will go faster/smoother.

@dennislyon5412 2 года назад

@@susanneharvey4034 - unless it’s really cold out, like 15 F.

@rogerstarkey5390 2 года назад

Kyle ISO15118 (International Standards Organisation) “Road Vehicles - Vehicle to Grid Communication Interface.” Apparently first developed in 2014...... So.... 8 years.... 🤔 Hmmmm. Good job.....?

@ctclardy 2 года назад

Here is one big problem with buying an all-electric vehicle at this point in time... when you need to recharge it out in the public domain you can notice all the electric charging stations have insufficient or mostly no overhead cover... so, if it is pouring down rain you get soaked while plugging in your car to the charger... then you run to get inside the car, slopping your soaking wetness all over while waiting for it to charge... then run outside again to unplug and hang up the charger... then get back in the car even more soaking wet... don't even know if that is a major electrical hazard or not... definitely not good, and not so in petro stations... most are sufficiently covered to protect you from the elements while refueling.

@mts982 2 года назад

should specify with a Z. scootz.

@sprockkets 2 года назад

Charges faster than a bolt could ever charge when warm lol IIRC.

@mts982 2 года назад

include a link for the new channel.

@dconner9 2 года назад

ru-vid.com/show-UC6FyUi6naXPSBt47W9u3uhg

@dconner9 2 года назад

Out of Spec Scootz link above. Please subscribe!

@atanasdimitrov4081 2 года назад

"I don't have issues" and multiple chargers doesn't work! I guess it's surprising when works at once!

@robkaOK 2 года назад

Okay, I have to ask: did you program the car to take you to a DC fast charge station? If not, then the car won't know that it's going to a DC fast charge station, so it won't precondition the battery. If the Hyundai EVs don't have this feature, then their customers will find out the hard way about "ColdGate". Result: more egg on face of EV. I can drive my Model 3 to a SC, and it will ColdGate just the same as any other EV...because it doesn't know that it's going to a SC! IF I program the car's navicomputer with a SC as waypoint or destination, and IF there is enough energy in the battery for preconditioning, THEN it will precondition!

@dell7990 2 года назад

i stay away from electrify america charger!! i was getting 20kw in winter but a chargepoint charger was giving 48kw.. electrify america is a scam that also charges taxes on a scession

@neburNight26 2 года назад

Every time I see a Charge America charging video I think ……. I’ll wait a year and then look at something else besides my Tesla M3P. Currently the only “reliable” EV charge network is Tesla and my house. I hope that changes soon as the RT1 looks sweet.

@b6s4shelter 2 года назад

We're still so far away from a good Charging experience. Have you ever had a ICE pump reject you.... I love my EV but dread going for a long distance drive due to crap like this.

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

re: "I love my EV but dread going for a long distance drive due to crap like this." exactly, i just use my BEV for local commuting and have NO PRETENSIONS OR FANTASIES about going on road trips beyond 2x the range of my car, as such my BEV satisfaction is through the roof...!!! i also own 2 other ICE vehicles and for the time being, these handle the long road trip "role" perfectly. you won't catch me behaving like the kid in Preschool/Elementary School (with a Mental Disability) seen trying to FORCE A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE, cause (good or bad) that's what this behavior amounts to, it's NEUROTIC and DYSFUNCTIONAL.

@b6s4shelter 2 года назад

@@phillyphil1513 right. use the tool for what it was designed for.

@jeffreywong6842 2 года назад

That was very painful to watch when all the Supercharging videos are just plug and go back in to watch Netflix.

@scottz45 2 года назад

Not a good showing from a car that many called a charging powerhouse. I went to my Hyundai dealer yesterday to see that car. Here in the Princeton area of NJ the dealer had 4 on the lot. None with the glass roof. I was able to look at one without a salesman on top of me. As a Model 3 and Y owner here is my two cents. The inside is very nice. They took the minimalism that Tesla does but added a few more buttons. More than I think is needed but still not too cluttered. The inside is much tighter then a Y or even a 3 but still very nice. It was a cold morning and the handles were iced shut so I had to bang the door handles hard to get them to work. Many yelled at Tesla for that. The trunk is much smaller then I would have thought. No well? Not sure why. No Frunk to speak of. I think this car is great but needs to be about 10k cheaper. I also can't imagine going from Tesla Superchargers to EA but if you don't road trip that doesn't matter.

@davva360 2 года назад

I don't get the obsession with the silly door handles on EVs. I am sure a normally styled door handle that's kind of flush would be no worse aerodynamically. Its like Tesla started the trend and everybody feels they need to follow it. Tesla door handles seem to break a lot so stick with something that just works. My only issue with a Tesla is the lack of buttons. I don't think you need a button for everything but climate control and wipers should be on controls in my opinion. Less distracting that way, again a change for change sake. They may save a couple of dollars on buttons but for me its just silly. Especially the wipers. They already have stalks on the column use that for the wipers. LOL

@Mosquito3314 2 года назад

Thanks for the input, I have never used EA, and I do not own a tesla, instead a fiat 500e that I cannot wait to switch to a better EV soon. But from what users say about EA, it works well enough to road trip but not as good as it should be. Many EA have down stations which is a bummer. Mean while Tesla seems to always just work and work well. I have been wanted to road trip for the longest now but the interior of the 3 & Y is just too simple for me and that really is the only thing that makes me consider other EV's. So overall I probably will go with a different EV like the ioniq or the Kia ev6. But It is really cool that Tesla users have a reliable charging network for roadtrips

@Mosquito3314 2 года назад

I did use a Tesla destination charger via an adapter and and Tesla pulled up to use the other one. The owner was really kind and was actually happy to see another EV other than a tesla. I have this car cause I wanted to try an EV without breaking my bank. He expressed how much better it would be in terms of EV options if Tesla opened up their superchargers to other EV in the US, as he really liked the Audi SUV EV., but ultimately purchased a Y because of the charging network. He was there because he was running an errand and decided to just plug in and get some juice. Meanwhile I was there because my fiat 500e does not have good mile range lol. But regardless, Not all tesla owners are rude about other ev using the chargers. I am aware tesla has started opening superchargers in other countries as a test. But if it happens in the US, People will feel much more comfortable buying an EV and porbably will make the switch soon after that. The influx of users now onthose chargers, well then thats when all hell breaks loose lol

@davva360 2 года назад

@@Mosquito3314 yeah Tesla opening up their chargers would be good however from their standpoint I don’t see they have a lot to gain from doing it.

@rogerstarkey5390 2 года назад

@@davva360 "Climate and wipers on controls"? How about Press the scroll wheel. Say "I'm cold", or temperature "X" degrees. Or "Wipers on" etc?

@eb1888. 2 года назад

Not the end of the world isn't an acceptable level of quality. The Euro cars also get reduced charging and reduced power when driving when the pack temp exceeds 52* C. So, after longer high-speed run plus fast charging.

@WyattMullin 2 года назад

What a hassle to get the charge started. Tesla supercharging is so much better.

@mars353 2 года назад

An electric car is more trouble than my wife. Lol

@redsquirrelftw 2 года назад

It's annoying that they rely on phone apps for this stuff. Should just be a credit card swipe at the charger, would be simpler and less fiddling around to get it going.

@natehill8069 2 года назад

Theres a FINE for ICE parking in a charging space? Cool! I think in Ohio they have a fine for ELECTRIC cars being in a charging space; there's certainly nothing to discourage ICEs there. In fact, I think some people buy extra ICE cars just to abandon them permanently blocking a charger and the state pays them a bounty for it.

@Ronin585 2 года назад

77 kWh? The battery of the Hyundai Ioniq 5 has a maximum of 72.6 kWh.

@mts982 2 года назад

these non tesla ev car companies need to build their own tesla like supercharging stations for non tesla ev car owners cause EA aint cuttin' it.

@phillyphil1513 2 года назад

there IS certainly a logic there. even if the DC chargers are only AT (or near) the dealerships, that's a HUGE MOVE and goes a long way at fostering customer satisfaction/confidence with their purchase.

@mts982 2 года назад

@@phillyphil1513 its also so peeps (us) can charge our vehicles without a hassle. i mean can you imagine if EA is like this when EVERYONE has an ev, it will be a nightmare for us all and them.

@steveshaw7258 2 года назад

If a long winter blackout occurs in a land of electric cars most of the population will perish in the freezing cold. The gas powered car that would provide cabin heat for many days will not be there. The electric car could only supply heat for a short time and would quickly discharge its battery making a trip to a shelter impossible.

@capitanocorelli1781 2 года назад

Many New EV drivers getting their Ioniq 5 now in the winter. This is need-to-know: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wt5okCL-pEs.html So if it's a cold day and you need to DC fast charge: Use 'The Corelli Charging Method' *** Warning *** Use at your own risk: 1. Drive in Sport Mode with maximum regen Level 3 and cabin heater on high to the charger. 2. Leave the car on and plug it in. Stay in the car. Cabin heater and seat warmers on high. 3. When battery pack temperature hits |15°C| (~60 °F) watch for the charge rate to jump. 4. Immediately turn off the car and all heat for max. peak charge time and charge rate. 5. Now you can go for coffee or do your shopping but be back in 30 minutes. Note: If the cabin heater and charger combined are still not enough to warm the battery pack, ie. charge rate still going down... then, 6. Consider switching Utility Mode on to increase battery drain and give the 12V accessory battery a little bump after a cold night. Lead acid batteries live longer if kept fully charged. (Ready mode would accomplish the same thing while you're driving, but you are running HVAC on high so not so much.) 7. Let me know how it works because I haven't got my Ioniq 5 yet :)) This methodology just makes good physics sense to me. It might do the trick until the preheater firmware update comes. Conclusion: In this video, the battery was too cold to be sufficiently warmed up by charging heat alone. The Battery Management System BMS stepped down to 53 kW to protect the battery instead of ramping up to higher rates of charge. It does this because the LiPoly battery chemistry works slower at lower temperatures. Repeated charging at a high rate on a cold pack would induce Lithium Plating on the battery anodes. This shows up as a lower overall pack voltage and severely reduced driving range. Even if this condition did not occur, the natural battery degradation rate would be more severe. This limit to the rate of chemical electrolysis is also the reason why repeated fast charging is mechanically hard on the battery pack. Level 1 or Level 2 charge whenever you can.