I haven’t tried these. I’m on a no buy pencils this year due to space lol. My coloring space is a cart with Prisma 150, Crayola 150, Brutfuner 150, Derwent Inktense 72 open stock, Faber Castell Albrecht Durer 50 open stock, 12 Holbein, Polychromo 16 open stock, Staedler graphitint, and 12 Caran”dache Museum Aquerelle. The rest is watercolor paints and sparkly stuff. I can’t fit anymore but love what I do have. Well I lied I want more sparkle,and books haha I need to stop looking at you tube.