Colosseum's Devs Knew NOTHING About Pokemon 

I really wanna know the design inspirations/philosophies for the Ultra Beasts! Love how they're very abstract and break a lot of rules for how they usually design Pokemon, I guess how they went about Blaziken's human-ish design in the case of Gen 3

I love these videos so much. Thank you to the entire team for continuing to gift life-long Pokemon fans like me with such amazing research

You sound desperate.

Do you have any plans to translate the Gold/Silver Japan-Exclusive Pokedex book? Or do anything regarding it?

HOW ABOUT A EPISODE ON LIVE A LIVE

People like humanoid Pokemon a little to much

@@alchemistofsteel8099 I could say that I like ALL the pokemon a little too much

Vaporeon proves it doesnt matter if your pokemon is humanoid or not.

No kidding. Just look at the last 3 generations. All starters have been humanoid.

machamp getting ignored ;-;

Ya I found that to be very ironic

@@CyberKnightProbably didn’t that happen later when it got speed boast?

@@CyberKnightProbably well most powerful until Cinderace anyways, who got banned twice in a single generation while Blaziken isn't even good enough to be in OU in that Gen...

Also “we don’t want nostalgia pandering” Fast forward to the 3D era

@@skibot9974 *DS era

Is everything ok?

@@CloudyWolf713 no.

@@bigfootbuthesmokesweed6766 ?

@@CloudyWolf713 ?

@@bigfootbuthesmokesweed6766 I just got confused, whether if you meant you weren’t ok, or if they weren’t.

The one time I actually knew something in-depth already in a video like this one! I am watching him play songs every now and then and stumbled across his Colosseum performances. Deeply in love with his songs.

Tawada’s music is soul touching. Would love to see him do a live performance if that ever happens

What the fuck

It makes it even better that the Orre games' soundtracks are literally unmatched masterpieces for the series.

the single hope i have left is that with masuda no longer directing, the orre games can come back.

That's fucking beautiful.

You're awesome !

Thank you both.

Really glad at least one person was decent to the poor little chicks

You are a good person.

There are metal medleys of the themes from both games on RU-vid, and the original composer replied and it’s so sweet, dunno if you came across it

@@thomaslecomte1570 I've come across his comments before

The Colosseum Semifinal Theme was ahead of its time

I didn’t really see anything in the video about him wanting there to be another Colosseum game. Only that he liked the songs he made enough to want to perform them on his RU-vid page, and talk bout them with the DYKG crew. Plus, he probably have songs from other games he’s worked on up on his RU-vid page as well. Not saying he wouldn’t want to work on another game in the series, just that we can’t draw that conclusion based on anything seen here.

@@CrossfacePanda he WAS more enthusiastic than the actual pokemon company people who did talk about it but, I mean, the bar is set pretty low

Ikr! Refreshing.

But the sad thing is that Japanese people probably knew this for 20 years. I was kind of shocked how much of Pokémon was or even is now Japanese exclusive when I started to be more interested in Japanese pokemon a couple of years ago. But even during Gen 3/4 when I first got Internet access, I still remember reading news about Japanese pokemon things which I thought we would get in the west in the near future but ultimately remained Japanese exclusive to this day

@smwsnes like the N word?

Japanese kids are something else jeez, here you'll get hit with a animal cruelty fine for abandoning an animal or doing something like that. anyways It worked out backwards in the end lots love Blaziken now including myself favorite starter overall no shock there. 😂

@mlt1122 why *don't* you Care about this? This is pretty damn terrifying to think about.

I like my Blaziken even more now.

It's kind of a hollow analogy when you literally have no other choice but to take one of them.

Yeah, I remember an area where it was like "oh boy, what TCRF article did they grab this time" and now it's "wait, they did WHAT"

I used to have a massive hate-boner for this channel, but ever since they got Dr.Lava on (the guy behind this and a lot of other recent pokemon videos) I've been subtly impressed.

@SMD88 He writes for DYKG now. Most of his planned videos were turned into videos for this channel, I believe. On his twitter he was talking about gen 6 about a month back so I would not be surprised if we got something in the near future regarding it.

Yeah hah

It really has been a boon for them.0

Lol! Same situation here, actually! Also almost 30, never knew the town's origins

I feel like it's something our teachers mentioned once, but we just didn't get enough time with it because of the state's sordid past with the Apache and Navajo people (among other tribes). I recently left for Pennsylvania but my heart will always be in the desert where I wad born.

Did she make it into the remakes? Don't remember her from playing ORAS.

@@lunakoala5053 yea at 11:34 that’s her in ORAS

that shit so cute man

I wonder how'd Kiri irl have felt about her dad being cyberbullied over Dexit and other issues in the series?

Most of the Kanto and Johto 'Mons had their animations ripped from the Stadium games; it's only the Hoenn ones that had new animations. ...and yet even then they're STILL better than some of the 3DS animations.

The game was so badass I’d pay 100$ for something similar.

Also the best story in Pokémon

Creatures Inc. created and animated all of the Pokemon models used in Stadium/2/Colo/XD. Genius Sonority created all the other models, like environments or trainers.

I mean to be fair they just reused the gen 1 and gen 2 models from the Pokémon Stadium games, they only created the gen 3 models. Those looked really good as well though. It really shows how much potential Genius Sonority had. The mainline games would be so much better if they took over development. I know it'll never happen but I can dream.

Seperate series that tries different tones Pokemon mystery dungeon: am I a joke (literal future dying. Mentions of you and others dying. Creepy Kidnapping a child to get money. Having to go up against the god of time atop a huge tower where the entire world is dying around you in a horrible future, and you know that even if u beat him, you will die But yeah I get you we need one with humans as the mcs

@@whiile1239 mystery dungeon is a clear spinoff that plays nothing like the main games. As a kid i thought XD and Colloseum were main games because they were litterally that good. (And as far as effort is concerned a side by side of Colloseum vs Let's Go aninimations is easy to find, especially double kick where in lets go its rotate to face target, hop, rotate back to 0°, rotate to face target, hop, rotate to 0°. In Colloseum a kabutops swings forward on its scythe arms to kick with both feet at once, even compared to SwSh the animations of Colloseum and XD just have so much more weight and effort put into them. Ignoring the obvious difference in resolution due to time of creation.) I think the fact the older animations hold up (and can be argued as being better), is a testament to the quality of the games. Add in other factors like team composition, level curves, general difficulty, ect and its not hard to see why fans want a return of something challenging. I don't see the grittyness as what makes them good, its just an aesthetic, the quality is in the objective underlying mechanics and polish. (The first boss, miror B has a rain team that is just missing thunder to be a competitively viable team, grant it is mainly the lotad line)

If you're the target demographic for Colosseum today, you weren't born yet when the game originally released. If you were the target demographic for Gen 1 when it released, a Pokemon game targeted towards you today would revolve around paying a mortgage and starting a family. I think the Colosseum series definitely should have continued, it's a type of Pokemon spinoff that we've been missing for a while - but the reason GameFreak keeps developing games for 11 year olds is because there are always new 11 year olds lol. Which mainline Pokemon games did you think should have been more mature? And how old were you when those games came out?

I’d say legends:Arceus might be the closest thing they’ve done to a mature pokemon game, since the tone is a bit more dark and the relationship between people and pokemon are less “you’re my best friend” and more out of fear or respect

100%, heck I was 10 when I played Colosseum and loved it, And now, man I wish more than anything that we got a Pokemon Anime with a mature theme! I watched a few episodes Journeys and it isn't for me...

Marcus Lindblom, the head localizer for Earthbound also did nearly the same exact thing for an NPC in Earthbound, based on his then recent daughter.

I actually heard about this already somehow, and found it be really surprising at the time. I somehow heard about it before finding an obscure article with him explaining in more detail exactly what took involving getting her character sprite coded into the game. I also heard about somehow before finding the article where he explained exactly what went in the hospital as well. He said that he was starting to write it up shortly after he got from the hospital while it was still fresh in his head. He honestly believes that one of his texts that he received while he was still holding the phone close to him made his daughter the way she is. I obviously did not save them considering that I thought I was the only person who knew at the time.

Warmed my heart man. Almost made me tear up

She’s probably a bit over 20 now. I wonder if she knows this story and how she feels about it- and about her dad and his work with Pokémon. I hope she’s proud

I believe that already explained to her everyrhing multiple times prior to her when she was very little at least. I believe that he at least confirmed those times when he pulled her aside to talk to her. He made certain that he wrote down in detail what they talked about so hopefully she could understand later on when she is older. He also jotted down everything in through detail for himself to remember, and he had to resort to notes from one of his previous talks to explain something to her as well. I believe it was before she turned 10 years old. I was definitely looking into this in more detail simply because I was bored and had absolutely nothing else to do.

Ichiban would be proud

I’m still holding my breath to where they need to add Blaziken into Super Smash Brothers as a clone fighter of Captain Falcon. Would have been a perfect fit and a nod to Gen 3 which has been overlooked in that series.

Us Gen V fans feel your pain.

Same but with gen 5 and 7.

That's the way every game should be. And I can't believe they didn't realize that from the Gen 2 criticism.

@@manguy01 But now they're getting criticism for leaving older Pokemon OUT of their games.

They have already publically stated that for Sword and Shield that they made up their mind on which pokemon would be included inside of the pokedex for the games. Honestly I do not notice that they are not included inside of the games. Deoxys does not even need to be in the game in the first place, either. Celebi does not seem to get a lot of attention from even not very active pokemon players either, it was just included just in case someone might want to it later on more than likely. There is a legal way to get Celebi added in your Pokemon games completely legally outside of using a distrobution ROM or the Japanese Collosuem Bonus Disc. I do not have the complete pokedex in my game, though.

@@theotherky the problem is that they are out of the game at all, in gen 3 and 5 you can get old gen pokemon eventually

Eh the best is debatable pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of sky and pokemon conquest exist and pokepark is another good one but I will agree it is a great couple of games

@D I think it's difficult to compare these two - but compared to the main games, Dx and Colosseum definitely offer something really refreshing to the ever same concept

@@R-SXX I'm not fully disagreeing with you, but each of the mainline titles do offer some slightly new stuff. And there are a lot of people, me included btw, that still really enjoy them. But that doesn't mean I still don't appreciate what these games did for us as kids.

I recently replayed Colosseum for the first time since release, and it does not hold up. The game is very slow and tedious. I love the music and presentation, and the themes, but the game isn't that fun compared to any main series game.

@@SaintDynamiteI’m playing it as I type this & it definitely holds up maybe you just have a short attention span buddy

Masuda ruins everything

Pretty sure Masuda’s retired now tho, so maybe we have a better chance with whoever’s currently in charge?

THey rather make pokemon with wheels and shit instead... Next game is going to have optimus prime as legendery.

@@ToneyCrimson I mean, I'm still excited for S/V in all honesty. But the Colosseum series needs a other addition; Its concept was great, and they can build onto Orre so much if needed. I loved a game focused on Double Battles. I feel Doubles are so much more interesting.

@@britical-hit9126 Sadly I wouldn't hold my breath, given they're still so bent on sweeping these particular spin-offs under the rug from everyone... :S

I like that it's a choice for Slaking. Slakoth can't help it, it gets energetic the moment it can. Slaking made a choice. Why is Slaking almost unusable? Because it doesn't care.

As a side note, I can't remember what time frame that occurred in, but I do distinctly remember the main Pokemon US site having a Q+A section at some point, I believe somewhere around when DP came out. Might lead to some interesting finds if it's been archived somewhere

They are but they aren’t canon so why would ash visit them

They aren’t

@@madnessarcade7447 I'm not saying whether an anime on that region would have been a good idea or not; my point is that it always seems that GF shoots it down. During Pokemon's last anniversary where they went through all of the generations/hardware I'm pretty sure Colosseum/XD had like 3 frames in the background, if even that

@@CBaller ok

4:56 I also realized that Slaking's art is a parody of the reclining Buddha.

Yeah, I always thought it was pronounced "lihn-OON," I had no idea it was supposed to be "LAI-noon." It's definitely not spelled properly to get the right idea across.

Same xD

Teared up a bit. It's really fking sweet

Sheep beef

Then I stop giving a fuck when that same guy continues to make shit games

I wonder how she feels about it. Probably a bit angry they put so much stress on her dad

Typical japanese work culture sadly.

Pokémon: refuses to even acknowledge the Orré Saga despite it's ever growing cult following popularity over the years for just how different and difficult it was. Quite possibly the most ambitious Pokémon Fangame and actual game crossover in history with Project Azurite: Fine, I'll do it myself. Pokémon Orré Saga, main series 3rd, 5th, 6th Gen, and Insurgenc Characters and relations to past events and Characters and lore that fit in flawlessly to the build up in story of the Crystalization Crises of the Kuria Region. Boom, what else ya got?

I think part of it has to do with it being someone else’s creation without any of their approval. I doubt there’s any sort of bad blood or grudges held, but I figure they looked at it after it was made and thought “Wait…no, this is all wrong. This isn’t something I’d consider to be a Pokémon title.” I genuinely loved Gale of Darkness (haven’t experienced Colosseum), but I’m thinking about the perspective of the devs and how they view the work from someone that did what they wanted with “their baby.” There are similar stories in other industries where Buzz Lightyear was poached by Disney from Pixar to make a 2D animated series and the guys at Pixar were NOT happy about it to say the least. They wouldn’t even remotely acknowledge it as an official expansion to Buzz’s lore until decades later, and it’s relevancy died out until Buzz got a stand-alone movie made by Pixar themselves.

@@UndertakerU2ber I'm still waiting for Disney+ to release the buzz light-year of star command series someday 😢😢😢 There are only low quality vhs recording left of this series

there was a small world map made by a fan that included Orre that showed up in X and Y I think

there a reference/sample/whatever to a colosseum song in lusamines theme in sun/moon

Pokemon hasn’t managed to do what the most successful broad audience franchises have done: grow up with their audience. Lots of great idea in gen 3 and it’s spinoffs we’re dropped and it’s disheartening really

@@thomaslecomte1570 Pokemon is quite literally *THE* most successful broad audience franchise. Like, objectively so. Whether you want the themes present from the Orre games to come back or not (I wouldn't be opposed to it myself), Pokemon's managed to have an incredibly broad appeal regardless.

@@captainmarsh3664 … yeah can’t argue with that, my comment was badly phrased.

I wouldn't say it's grittier, but it is interesting to have Pokémon already customized with TMs and egg moves, and even moves they aren't supposed to have. That's really everything positive I can say about colosseum/XD. There's far more at stake in many other Pokémon games.

Last one I could consider gritty is BW. Plasma was such a cool team that got fleshed out into two games and developed three antagonists. The Pokemon wars in XY was also kinda brutal sounding. I know it has to change with the audience being primarily kids but like... Team Yell? Really?

Totally. Right now the only game making use of shadow pokémon is Go.

@@BJGvideos and doing a rather poor job with it. Shadow Lugia wasn't even purple.

@@sugarfree_ Since it's Rocket using it I feel like they should look more like they did in the 4th movie, with the wild eyes and stuff

well this feals like a idea thats good in concept but bad in exection imagine griding for hours just so some guy steals that pokemon not saying that that woud hapen 100% of the time but in a sytuation like that it woud be so frustrating

Having your starter pokemon stolen from you halfway through the game and turned shadow sounds brutal, but also something I'd 100% be in for, it would give you a sense of urgency or a drive to get them back no matter what. It saddens me to know that Colosseum and XD were just completely swept under the rug by Game Freak and forgotten about.

Based and Hoennpilled

@@bracedgod4505 a fellow Pokemoncel has appeared 🙏 are you playing Scarlet/violet boyo?

Gen 3 is my favorite too. Since I grew up on Pokemon Colosseum. I dont really like most of the pokemon designs in the later gens.

@@29blazehead yep colosseum will always be the best 3D Pokémon game to me, the story telling and music is unmatched compared to the later games. Everything Pokémon did back then had a lot of heart put into it despite its software limitations, I think that’s what’s really missing in Pokémon now.

I likely put in 5k+ hours into Ruby/Sapphire lmao

The funny thing about regional birds is that Pidgy was sort of the odd one out during the first three generations. Taillow and Hoothoot we're both two stage lines, which would almost make one think Spearow would be the Kanto regional bird, if it weren't for Pidgy being the one found on the first route. It wasn't until Starly in Sinnoh that a regional bird was three stages again, and not until Fletchling in Kallos that three stage early game birds unquestionably outnumbered the two stage lines.

Pidove in unova wants a word

Because colosseum and XD are just a very limited games. You also forgot each gen having a rodent.

It’s probably the rarity that makes me enjoy Coliseum more. If all Pokemon games were like that, Pokemon wouldn’t stand out quite as much. Definitely think it’s been long enough to give it another go though. 1 more gritty Pokemon please, then give it some time to cool off again.

@@skycastrum5803 aye! I want a duology port!

Absol is also one of the very few pokemon whose name is the same in all regions. It seems like it was planned to be pitched as the new mascot mon, like pikachu and (to a lesser extent at the time) eevee. I bet there were lots of design ideas thrown around for that little guy...

Absol could not learn Megahorn in Gen III, though.

@@Starfloofle It should have been the Lucario of gen III all things considered, I remember seeing it debut in the Jirachi wish maker movie and I was instantly infatuated with the creature and its design.

@@Starfloofle The mascot idea would also explain why it has such a prominent role in the first PMD games.

@@sasaki999pro Lucario is the same way, yep. Absol really got the short end of the stick as far as this sort of pokemon goes I feel... I dunno why, it just did, despite being prominent in titles and movies. I know absol is popular, but it's never felt *explosively* popular like similar mons.

me too, especially since Masuda no longer works at gamefreak

What if Gen 2 was a soft-reboot? How different would the games have been?

Almost Every mainline game since then the villains try to blow up the world so blowing up a building isn’t really that crazy

Honestly if you guys want good graphics/texture go outside cuz that’s not what Pokémon is about Pokémon is about whimsy and wonder and sense of adventure and the cast of unique and colorful characters and the friends you make along the way The Pokémon themselves are what make the games so good not graphics I mean graphics wasn’t what got us into the franchise in the first place was it It was the charm of the creatures and being able to play with friends and make new friends that has always been the charm of Pokémon from the beginning to now and forever Pokémon is completely inspired and unlike any other game that exists it’s extremely one of a kind and unique No one can replicate it and be successful at it despite many attempts

imo, it's "cute". It's funny how they got complaints of "too babyish", sought to change it, only for them to slowly go back to that over time. The marketing team won in the end.

@@madnessarcade7447 I don't disagree but the original comment never once mentioned graphics. Your entire reply was seemingly only about graphics, and you kept going on about it. And on. And on. And on. And on. It's replies like this that make the fanbase look childish.

@@madnessarcade7447 stop being in a cult

they're overrated, sorry

​@@feIon they're underrated, not sorry

Such an adventurous game being left to only explore towns and hideouts. Pokémon colosseum and XD were never that good. They're just not. And yeah so? the music is good, but Pokémon music has always been good and it has covered different styles, and game freak has made amazing remixes like ORAS and HGSS and rainbow rocket, they even possibly inspired twenty one guns.

@@rpgfanatic9719 I've played again this year colosseum, and I disagree. Pokemon now a days is formulaic. You get a route mostly lineal (maybe with one detour to get an item, probably a potion or pokeball), then you get a town with a few buildings, and only two of them with something interesting (besides the pokemon center). Maybe the game's team appear to cause some trouble, you kick their sorry arses because its what the player does, no matter if the team is composed or evil gangsters, extremists or just noisy fans, and continue with the next route... which is the same as the earlier one, but with a different decoration. Rinse and repeat. Then almost at the end of the game, you save the world, beat the Champion (who may or may not have been involved in the story, and, to a degree, kudos to Sword and Shield for having a competent champion that almost made the player redundant), and the post game... which may be the most interesting part of the game. And by the way, you know the format Pokemon Company uses for their official tournaments, double battles? Well, you will be lucky if you found 10 double battles in the game. Maybe ONE gym leader will be a doubles. Colosseum was different from the very beggining. Instead of a new trainer, you are a veteran one with two eeveelutions at almost level 30 with a moveset focused on colaboration between them, not just brute force as you would in the adventure. You don't casually find the game's team causing problems, you MAKE problems for the game's team by stealing their pokemon stealing gizmo and blowing up their base, and then proceeds to make problems for the OTHER team by rescueing the one character that can help dismantle their plans, who, by the way, acompanies you through the rest of the game. Also, the game is all about double battles, which teaches you the power and importance of moves like reflect or helping hand. The towns are alive, and most characters' lives aren't hyper focused on pokemon, or being tutorials for the player. In a few words, the game respects the player's intelligence, not only by not hand holding them so much, but also by creating a believable world where not every NPC is obsesed with pokemon or with telling what you can do with the pokemon or the game. The limited rooster of pokemon also forced the players to be more strategic. The first time I beat the game, by example, I didn't use meditite/medicham at all, because I didn't know what their ability really does, and their stats looks lackluster. But if you know that it doubles it's attack stat, you suddenly gets a crystal cannon that, properly trained, can oneshot almost any pokemon that doesn't resist it's attacks. You can bet I used it through most of the game in this second run. I also choose Quilava as the Johto started I rescued first, because Bayleaf is... well, Bayleaf, and while Croconaw is probably the most powerful of the three, there are good water mons at the beggining (like Quagsire), while there aren't any good fire mons until Entei besides Quilava.

Knew nothing about Pokemon, yet ended up being better than actual Pokemon mainline games lol. Now that's really amazing, and kinda painful for Gamefreak at the same time (they're my favorite Pkmn games as well)

Definitely, removing wild Pokemon made it interesting, being limited to using the Shadow Pokemon you catch, I know i never would've used Hariyama if it wasn't for Colosseum.

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@@webbedshadow2601 I just keep on getting pissed off that you can't catch all the shadow Pokémon because of how you have to play one was always unattainable

It's funny that I had completely given up on Pokemon at that time and it was Colosseum that send me back into that rabit hole for quite some time. The way they approached the design was pretty logical, but you would not see that nowadays. Too bad Games Freaks is just allergic to innovation. >>

@@rowlandbryan8467 what? which one? im pretty sure i caught them all when i played through it years ago.

Hi José, not sure if you're into emulation, but fans have already remade most of the older pokemon games with these quality of life changes. There is actually a game called Grand Colosseum that incorporates new generation improvements into the original colosseum game. You need a decent PC to run it, and if you know nothing about that scene there is a knowledge learning curve.

@@Nugs387, I have heard of some of these ROM mod games before. Right now I don't have a proper PC of my own, but it's something I might consider. I guess the only reason I would like an officially remade game compilation is the ability to pass Pokémon to the mainline games. Some Pokémon had moves and abilities only found in those games.

Exactly! I would love to play coliseum again have all the locked content automatically unlocked and achievable in game.

Well said

Check out pokemon XG: Next gen. If you have beat gale of darkness this is a revamped version. Lots of new wild pokemon, shadow pokemon, stuff like that. A refreshing way to re experience the game

YES. XD is far and away my favorite Pokemon game too, ever since I got it for Christmas back in 2005.

An outsider's take on a franchise is often a big gamble; if they fail to capture the essence of the series it'll tank hard, but if they keep enough of that core present and balance it right with their unique perspective it can make some magic happen.

Really it was just about Colosseum and XD breaking from a formula. As objectively bad as it was it was welcomed for being different.

@@rpgfanatic9719 It is objetively better than X and Y, Sword and Shield and the remakes of Hoenn and Shinoh. If only because it respects the intelligence of the player (not only for that, but that is reason enough). I'd mention Sun and Moon's half finished mess, but because I haven't played them, I'll skip them. What's fair is fair, they tried to make them a bit different. Sword and Shield's plot was specially stupid and with very few stakes until the end, with a Champion that made the player uninvolved with the plot and redundant until the very end, and a "problem" that was just a problem because Rose is an idiot without enough patience to wait a single day. If he had waited, Lionel, the player as the new champion and several other gym leaders and powerful trainers would had been at his disposal to help make sure Eternatus can be contained if needed. And if he had explained himself properly, the cities of Galar would had been ready for the "crisis" and any problem would had been resolved before it became one and he would have avoided jail at the end of the story. The only part of the plot that was good was Hop's developement, because they finally found a good balance between having a friendly rival, but one you don't mind crushing because of his arrogance, and one that actually develops from being beaten to the ground time and time again. ORAS's plot is just as stupid as it was in the originals, with a team of morons trying to destroy the balance of the world by not understanding that both land and water are needed, and a team that weren't as stupid and could actually understand that destroying said balance may be bad for the pokemon they want to protect (at least Emerald made both teams moronic, and you have to face both), and both Kalos and Shinoh have a team of idiots that think it is a REALLY good idea to just destroy the world (at least Magma and Aqua just missed the part where destroying the balance is bad, the leaders of Flare and Galaxy outright wanted to destroy everything). On the other hand, the Rockets, the Snaggem/Cypher and the Plasmas were trying to control the world/make a lot of money, and of those three, the Team Plasma was composed by a mix of naive idiots that believed the lies of their cult leader, and criminals that knew what they were doing and followed said cult leader knowing full well what they were doing.

@@lenlimbo respects your intelligence by giving you monsters with complete sets and not letting you actually think for yourself compared to other Pokémon games? Fsss, sun and moon is more than a bit different. Turning badges into held items, gyms into dungeon biomes, getting rid of HMs for rides. I don't care about SS, but I will say the ORAS villains weren't trying to completely drown and dry the world, just expand on them by a percentage, you realize this when these monsters are predicted to go too far for them. Never liked BW's story either. BW is an overrated entry, but not so much overrated than colosseum which offers 0 gameplay variety and little exploration. The fuck are you even going on about story for anyway? Are you seriously trying to say this game is a good story? No it's not. Even vanilla SM has a better plot even if Lusamine is a moron, she at least has a goal, team snagem doesn't even have one, what do they accomplish by locking out movesets from Pokemon and turning all of them into suiciding recoil sweepers even ones that don't fit the role? They can't even level up.

@@rpgfanatic9719 objectively bad? what are, objectively high?

If only just for the fact they acknowledge its existence, I would be over the moon aswell. lol.

But Musada is a coward.

I wish I could work on a sequel tbh

@@thomaslecomte1570 But XD is a sequel...

@@anonanonymous9670 but imagine. We could have another.

yeah, heck they could just release it as a sideline series if they want and im sure it would do well, bringing more... ugh i hate this word but cant think of annother "mature" themes into a pokemon series could be a breath of fresh air. could also allow the villans to be a bit less cartoony like the shadow pokemon stuff... heck that could even be brought back and improved on, just cus an org fell dont mean all their research goes poof. heck that could be a neat plot or even sub plot that all those former evil team mebers banded together outa nessisty because they couldnt go legit because of their past connections. would also explain why their tactics are so versitile...and pragmatic, heck could be a theme of where you gotta best them without using mons as they learned from their prior orgs mistakes and do their best to avoid a mon battle and when they are forced into one they cheat to the best of their ability some being simply unfair fights like all of their mons out at once to outside situations making the fight unfair like a hostage you didnt rescue or a modifyer to the fight... or allys randomly jumping in midfight. of course if they "cheat" the player should be able to do so right back at them example if they order their mon to attack the player the player should be able to order their mon to do the same to them.

I heartilly agree. The mainline feels so... maybe "tame" is the word I want, but "safe" feels better. The GC games felt different and vital in a way the main ones don't.

Fuck no, it sounds good on paper but kinda sucks

@@philippak7726 Dawg, Gen 7 was about child abuse You're all just not thinking about shit lmao

I wish we got a spin off sequel or remake of the Colosseum and Gale of Darkness.

I had Gale of Darkness as a kid on the gamecube and being a dumb kid i couldnt get very far, but i think i got about half way through the game. The battle system was the most fun i'd ever had with a pokemon game, The only thing that made me sad was that i couldn't play against other people like i could with the gameboy. It was very satisfying to play though, and I wish a sequel would be made. It is by far the best type of battle system they've ever made.

@@davidsantiago7808 I mean you could play against other people with Gale of darkness. Just need a game boy advance and a link cable, but I can see how a kid can't really figure that one out. If my dad wouldn't have taken the time to explain this to me back in the day, I wouldn't have gotten it either.

Battle Revolution's animations are fucking fantastic and I miss that kinda quality

I don't think graphics are the reason. Pokken looked amazing and they really tried to make that game popular.

@@jellojiggler1693 If you're talking about the 3D thing, there was an interview where Masuda said something to that effect, though I don't remember the exact quote. Another big issue is that most of the side games weren't made by Game Freak. Stadiums 1 and 2 and Snap were made by HAL while Colosseum, XD, and Battle Revolution were made by Genius Sonority. This leads me to believe there could be some drama between Masuda and some other branches of Nintendo. Or that he doesn't have a say if they get rereleased since it'd be papa Nintendo that would decide.

@@Dw7freak I was talking about when the original commenter said: "As for why they don't get re-releases, I think it's because the models and battle animations would make people realize the current games are severely lacking." I debunked it with pokken and snap. I don't think there's any jealousy or drama lol. You're looking into it way too much. And as I understand Nintendo and pokemon company have the final say on what gets published, and gf are mainly just game developers. (I think that most devs work with publishing companies but I could be wrong?) It's been that way for a long time now.

@@Dw7freak They wouldn't be able to pull off something like Colosseum or Revolution because Gamefreak is still as technically incompetent as they were when Iwata had to save Gen 2 from memory issues, and they lack creative vision. Unfortunately Pokemon games are some of the lowest quality first party Nintendo games, and it's not changing any time soon.

Idk they’re pretty abstract

Slakoth line never really interested me, but after this video it's definitely earned my respect

The Linoone thing blew my mind.

Maybe envy or maybe they didn't want them stealing their Thunder who knows.

There's hope. At least Pokemon GO acknowledged the concept of Shadow Pokemon

Well, they're going to need to revitalize their series soon. Lots of new monster collector games are inbound and drawing away fans. And the Digimon series just released Digimon Survive, where calling it dark is an extreme understatement. hell, even the anime has gone down that route with ghost Game and Digimon being far from shy of eviserating people grusomely (multiple instances of dismemberment, instant cremation and one poor sap getting his flesh dissolved and skull crunched). Pokemon just seems stagnant and refusing to adapt. Hell, relying on their youthe isn't goign to cut it anymore in some areas. In japan, Yokai Watch has basically surplanted them for children. And a lot of the new mon collectors and older series are appealing to the older fans. Let's remember that the Legend game that came out recently was something very different and was a far more exciting release than the D/P remakes (which feel as if people quickly dropped them way too fast). At this point we're just craving something different from the same tired formula. It's fine if they want to continue the progression of the main series with the same formula. but I think another game like the two from the GCn days are needed again. Heck, and with the current age of fans lately, make the game rated T. Rather than my opponent sending me to the last healing center, make it evident that the Scizor that just swept my team proceeded to use their claws on my neck and load from a last save. Or that losing a major battle resulted in things going horribly wrong in the proceeding non-standard game over.

I don't think it's that they weren't permitted to make more, but rather than the original team no longer exists. Following XD and Battle Revolution, the main developers of Colosseum and XD either joined GameFreak or joined different game studios. The studio isn't even remotely the same anymore, and hasn't been for a long time.

@@RiftFishing It's the same story with Obsidian and people clamoring for another New Vegas. They aren't the same studio anymore.

It's always nice to hear that people have that special pokemon they've kept with them for so long. For me it's my Gardevoir that I caught in the gen 4 games. Story starts with me for whatever reason thinking that the only way to obtain a Gardevoir in gen 3 wad to trade. Fast forward to gen 4 I caught a Kirlia while trying to find a Ralts. Eventually gave up on the Ralts and caught the next Kirlia I saw. I've transferred her to gen 5, then 6, Super Trained her, and then to 7 and got a gold bottlecap to hyper train. I still have her now, but I keep her, along with other ones that mean a lot to me in pokemon home, but put them in game when I can

Can you nickname Pokemon that have a different OT in Gen 8?

@@ShadowZone1996 As long as it wasn't already given a nickname, you can do so once.

And if you include old, it should be a wide range of gens. I love Kanto, but a bunch of Kanto mons get boring.

@@LegendStormcrow USUM has just that. You should really check it out if you haven't.

@@rpgfanatic9719 They also had a bunch of nice additions to the base game, but changed some things to make it different. That said, I'm not okay with the random creepy dude during the challenge on the small island

@@rpgfanatic9719 i think XD and RSE will always be tied as my favorite pokemon games. I played Moon and while it was fun i know I can't sit through a cutscene every 5 steps again when advancing the plot. If ultrasun & ultramoon are anywhere near the cutscene frequency of moon i know I can't play through them, no pokemon game has a story that good, and most of the cutscenes were tutorially anyway. (Fans have been asking for ages to have a setting to skip the catching tutorial, let alone the rest of the tutorials. Old games used to just give you an HM and say nothing, if you were lucky you found the sign post 5 routes over saying cut clears long grass in gen 3 & 4)

@@jasonreed7522 There's 1 short cutscene per new main area and I may even be exaggerating and only few beginning ones are tutorials. They're really not oppressive as people make them out to be, they're short. These games don't even have HMs and this is actually the one story in the series that's actually well done.

Oh for sure. Gen 5 sprites with the battle/regular character animations are the best in the series. So much more life than the static 3D models, despite them looking more true to form and to the anime.

Unova tipped too far past that balance, though, and just gave up on it, which was a huge mistake. If you're like me and don't like most of the Unovan designs you can't really appreciate those games because you're stuck with a ton of Pokemon you probably don't want to use. Had they implemented more older Pokemon into the mid-to-late-game areas, I think it would have gone a long way towards making them more palatable. No matter how much people talk about how Gen 5 were the greatest Pokemon games, I can't help but roll my eyes. It's not that I don't understand why people like them. I just don't think it was enough because for all of the Pokemon added, more than any other generation (even Gen 1 just barely came close with 151), I can't stand building a team in it because the style doesn't fit my personal preference.

@@Lucifronz I agree with you there. I also don’t really care for most of Gen 5’s pokemon designs. I do enjoy the games though. Best story out of the entire franchise.

if by "new to old ratio" you mean the wild, then I ask if you've even toucxhed a Gen 4 or 5 game before - there's VERY FEW non-sinnohan spawns in the Sinnoh Games without slot 2, and the Unova games have *NONE AT ALL* of old gen spawns (one of the many reasons gen 5 is terrible and people need to stop pretending like it was even remotely decent)

Gen 4 was kind of lame though. Playing Sinnoh again with Brilliant Diamond just reinforced how lacking it was. Gen 5 did so much better. I mean, don't get me wrong, Sinnoh had great Pokémon, but the region and most of the designs just weren't very exciting.

The fact that they were dragon quest devs means a neato rpg. :) its really is a difficult game. Ive been stuck on the final boss.

What other pokemon inspired monster collector games are there?

@@jellojiggler1693 Yo-Kai Watch, Spectrobes, uhhh there was this one dinosaur game that I forgot the name of, and Temtem are the few I can name off the top of my head.

@@somebonehead dinosaur king. No wait thats an anime. There was a game with dinosaurs it also had it own anime too. Fossil Fighters! That’s it

@@zephyrias Yeah that was it, I remember they used to have distribution events on the Wii Nintendo channel, kind of like Pokemon's Mystery Gifts.

I remember how many times I talked to her and read that text box. Hearing this and it comes full circle is slightly touching. Very cool.

How'd Kiri felt about the Dexit incident?

I felt my brow grow heavier with sheer annoyance at that dismissal.

Well, at least i have closure now

@@chrizzel28 Masuda said the samething about an open world pokemon game and Pokémon snap 2 and here we are so you never know

And then he even laughed. He outright mocked the very idea.

It's the laught at the end that makes me think we are never getting another pair of games like these again 🥲

Yes. the REGIONAL dex should. Not the national dex tho.

yeah i think that's the perfect formula. brand new pokedex that gradually introduces old pokemon as you progress in the game

I swear it's like Colosseum was thought up when someone say "Ok, so what if we took Pokemon..... and made it like a cross between Fist Of The North Star and Cowboy Bebop."

It’s really one of the best concepts for Pokémon and did things no other Pokémon game has done, also the only time 12 vs 12 battles are able to be done legitimately

Because xd is better

@@ggaboveaveragegamer cries in the 100 trainers challenge. My gen 3 ruby protagonist is stuck there limbo with my endgame team. XD

A lot of them die because the paint is toxic.

I remember seeing all the ads with public demonstrators rallying crowds of people "WE MUST SAVE THE POKEMON!!" And ten year old me was like "HECK YEAH WE DO!!" I didnt even understand what we were saving them from, but I was hyped none the less

The reason I begged my parents for a Gamecube

Masuda said the samething about an open world pokemon game and Pokémon snap 2 and here we are so you never know

@@madnessarcade7447 Masuda doesn't work at Game Freak anymore so here's hoping

Well, the main appeal of the original Stadium games was that you could use your Pokemon in full 3D battles. Once the main series moved to the 3DS, it was probably seen as redundant. There wasn't much you could do with a Stadium game that you couldn't just do on 3DS. I think nowadays though, with "Dexit" in effect, there might actually be a new niche opened up for Stadium type games to be the one place where all Pokemon from across the series could be used.

@@tkayube I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t even complain about it being sold as a games-as-a-service release, much as that style is usually scummy. It’d free up the creative team to work less on supporting the bloated mechanics and gimmicks in competitive Pokémon, since they don’t have to balance releases as “the new competitive meta”. Might actually let the games start to feel unique again if they separated the PvP competitions from the adventure. I do like QoL for interacting with your Pokémon that they’ve been adding, including for breeding, but it’s clear that maintaining that and the competitive scene is too much for Game Freak to handle while still making decent games.

@@thesquishedelf1301 I have no idea what you're talking about. How are you going to make a good new campaign without working on new battle mechanics that obviously are connected to multiplayer? Are you just saying they should just simply not have a multiplayer feature or what? I doubt adding those modes are holding back development. Also the Pokémon company doesn't really make gimmicks. Their new mechanics are pretty well thought out and very in depth.

You can actually catch Vulpix at Mt. Pyre so i mean, almost the only one

Camerupt

@@unrandom9705 Camerupt sucks hard lol, horrible defensive typing and veeeery slow

@@funninoriginal6054 Pokemon emerald just like any other Pokémon is so easy that you are capable of winning with shitmons anyway

Colosseum and XD both have some phenomenal pieces. I'll say that the Colosseum originals are generally my favorites, but I do love me some XD Miror B theme too

Masuda knows, he just doesn't give a shit.

Now they can make people pay to get new Pokemon in their games and fill the Pokédex they will not be able to send to the next gen game!

@@Nephenon Fair point, but it also allowed you to get various gift pokemon such as Surfing pikachu and Rare berries sent to your Gen 4 games. It was still fun in its own right, even if it was just a literal battle frontier turned into it's own game.

I wish Nintendo would bring GameCube games to the Switch, I have Colosseum but not XD Gale of Darkness, and it's $150 on ebay...first I wish Nintendo would put Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2 on the N64 online service! It would be worth paying $50 to play them alone..

TeamSprocket hit the nail on the head there.

I don't know. I always felt Collesium wasn't really a good Pokemon game as it didn't play to the series strengths. Like yeah, it was cool that it was darker and more difficult but it didn't do that in a great way. Like in Collesium, you can only obtain Pokemon by taking them from others as Shadow Pokemon which significantly cut down on making varied teams since you could only obtain specific Pokemon in a very specific order. And since Shadow Pokemon only used Shadow Rush and there was no Wild Battles, it made progression really tedious. Even the darker tone doesn't really do much as it's only really used for set dressing rather than impacting the story. Really, I feel that the mainline Pokemon games, if they had a challenge mode like B2W2 did, would do everything that Collesium was going for but better.

its not always bad to bring people with a fresh outlook, the only reason it tends to fail so much is cus the teams just dont care which wasnt the case with colosseum

@@FraserSouris In other words you disliked many of the things that other people found refreshing. You can feel what you want, but I can say with certainty that your vision of a game that "would do everything that Colosseum was going for but better" would most definitely not scratch the itch for me and many others.

@@IBeforeAExceptAfterK I see where you're coming from and even agree with many of your points. But I don't think my points are unreasonable. For one, something being refreshing can still be done in a lacklustre or interesting way. The novelty of it being different doesn't override that. As an example from other franchises, Call of Duty went Futuristic between 2014-2017. Even though it was a refreshing change of pace from the traditional "boots on the ground" COD games, much of the playerbase disliked it so much that WW2 and MW2019 sold crazy well as a "return to form". Recently, Assassin's Creed Mirage is said to be going back to an older style of AC because even though the RPG ACs were "refreshing" in a sense, many people felt they didn't reflect the actual appeal of AC. Basically "change for the sake of change" isn't inherently a good thing. Collesium doing different things doesn't excuse how it does some of those things quite poorly. Like, one of the main appeals of a Pokemon game is the surprinsgly deep RPG mechanics and teambuilding options you have. It's one of the reasons why hardcore Nuzelockes are so popular. Hardcore Nuzelockes put a lot more self imposed restrictions, but these are still fun because they make you use more creative and unconventional strategies. The difficulty and restrictions here facilitate that. But in Collesium, the opposite happens. Because XP and money is so stingy, and you have so few resources, the game loses its varied and deep RPG mechanics. Spamming Shadow Rush over and over again from the only 2 decently levelled Mons you have because that's the only ok option you have is quite boring. You don't really get to outthink or outplay your opponents. You either grind or use basic options. Speaking of which, unlike the main series games, grinding is a lot more common in Collesium. You have to spend a lot of your time grinding, either to get what few scraps of XP and money there are, or to purify your Shadow Mons which takes a really long time. And these don't really encourage any creative solutions. Like, there aren't as many challenge runs of Collesium for a reason, the game's design discourages varied playthroughs. Like, there are difficult Rom Hacks like Incelement Emerald and Radical Red that enforce level caps and give you few encounters at first. But they still give you resources to implement your own creative solutions to problems, and they don't require absurd grinding. Plus, the story of Collesium, like I said, even if it's darker in tone, it only uses that for set dressing. There is no real influence on the darker tone on the characters or how the story progresses. You can get the same impact by reading Pokedex entries in the main games. Not to mention that even thematically, the game's use of Shadow Pokemon kinda conflicts with its gameplay. The story wants Shadow Pokemon to be something the player purifies as a way of making these Pokemon go from being corrupted to pure and true versions of themselves. It wants the player to come to learn about these Pokes as individuals and grow closer to them. But the game's mechanics do the opposite. Spamming Shadow Rush doesn't really allow you to learn more of these mons. Plus, the limited resources discourage training up and purifying many Pokemon.

​@@FraserSouris Nice essay there, buddy. I can tell you feel quite strongly about this. But have you considered that your lack of enjoyment might have had something to do with your play style? Because a lot of your complaints seem to boil down to "I played in an unfun way, and to my surprise the whole game ended up not being fun". If all you did was spam Shadow Rush and grind because you couldn't be assed to do anything more complex than unga bunga your way through your problems, that's on you. I never had any of the issues you're complaining about, but then again I'm not a scrub. There's a reason this game is only doubles, and it's not so that you can spam two attacking moves every turn. For all your talk about Pokemon's surprisingly deep RPG mechanics, it sure as shit doesn't sound like you bothered to make good use of them.

I agree. the best and number one Pokemon game

I'd love for another Pokémon game to have Orre's feel, I've been designing Fakémon and Characters for a Texas inspired region that hopefully would have a similar vibe.

@@KingsBard imagine buc'ees, but it's a big ass poke mart and center in Pokemon world

I think it's up there but I gotta say Poken Tournament is my favorite pokemon game, really shook up that formula into a whole new genre of game 😂😂

@@TheTacRat on the other hand... if we get some gritty nature for mystery dungeon, I'm on board

That's because Blaziken would have to share its Egg Groups with Torchic and Combusken. Torchic in particular wouldn't fit in the Human-like Egg Group.

Usually evolutionary lines always have to share the exact egg groups. When they evolve, the egg groups don't change at all. For example, Incineroar, who is human like compared to its pre-evolved forms, isn't in the Human Like group. Only in Field. Maybe Torchic could've been in the Human Like group since Combusken and Blaziken have a human like body, but I can see why GF didn't let it be in it.

Yeah a lot of people think slugma and magcargo are gen 3 because of how rare they are in solve r

The reason it's not in the human-like group is because torchic doesn't have a humanoid body shape. It's the same reason Grimmsnarl is in the human-like group while Hatterene isn't, it's pre-evos are ball shaped.

@@Awesomesufff What about "R" needs solving?

I think Masuda's reply was kind of rude. But also explains why GF doesn't really acknowledge the Orre games.

I think there should've been a spinoff or sequel. The series still acknowledges Shadow Pokemon, and assuming the sales for Colosseum and XD weren't as good as the core series, I still think the Orre games still have a good number of fans.

@@IgnitedQuils The main games don't really acknowledge the concept. And in Japanese, the Shadow Pokémon in GO do not share their Japanese name from Colosseum and XD.

@@BlueAizu_ Because most people find double battles annoying.

@@wikiuser92 he's just mad that the DQ team made a better Pokemon game than modern Game Freak is capable of lmao

I know right. I loved it as a kid, i played it over and over. Id love a remake