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Combat Critiques: Ned Stark Versus Arthur Dayne 

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Game of Thrones. Once it was a series that was renowned by most, only to fall flat rapidly in the final few seasons. But what about the combat in it? Was it worth its reputation, or was it lackluster like its ending?
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@knowbulgaming
@knowbulgaming Месяц назад
this breakdown ruined this scene for me but, it is also very well done.
@wanderingshade8383
@wanderingshade8383 Месяц назад
I love the little comedy cuts, they're so good. Dance music while Arthur is twirling his swords, Markiplier meme, the little Mario hop, A+ no notes. This fight really is a mess. Like so many others, it's made to look good only so long as you don't think about it; so many flourishes. I guess most Hollywood/TV choreographers just don't know anything about combat but what they've seen in other movies/shows. That or the directors have too much say over the fight choreography...
@TheDual-Wielder
@TheDual-Wielder Месяц назад
Thank you. I try to add some fun gags here and there so that it's not like a history lesson where the teacher just drones on about something. This scene works with the majority of viewers, who don't look too closely at fight choreography, but a lot of media these days substitutes quality for flashy-but-bad moves and quick camera cuts. That's a large factor in why I encourage in-depth analysis. The good media gets even better when you notice all the details.
@leon1thelion580
@leon1thelion580 Месяц назад
Personally I think a reverse script would probably work well with 2 long swords because your area in which your swords play wouldn't cross each other as much
@TheDual-Wielder
@TheDual-Wielder Месяц назад
The main issue with a reverse grip (other than it reducing your effective range) is that you need to move your arms or body much more than if you held your weapon normally. Instead of a quick thrust, you'd have to bring your arm all the way across your body first, which is easier to see coming due to how much slower that is.
@leon1thelion580
@leon1thelion580 Месяц назад
@@TheDual-Wielder You have your sword in your other hand which you can be used for reaching normally. And then you would use the reverse script more as a shield then as a means of attacking.
@zyaggho9185
@zyaggho9185 Месяц назад
This fight is even worse if you consider the books. In the books it would have been a 7 v 3. Dane also had his houses sword Dawn which is legendary for a reason. I hope if the asoiaf is finished the books do it better.
@TheDual-Wielder
@TheDual-Wielder Месяц назад
I find it odd that Dayne and his companion (companions if it's a 7v3) don't use the perfectly good tower right behind them. A narrow entrance means that Ned and his group can't use their numbers to their advantage. I'm not certain how the books handled this sequence, as I've only seen the show.
@zyaggho9185
@zyaggho9185 Месяц назад
@@TheDual-Wielder We haven’t even seen the fight in the books yet. The whole tower of joy sequence feels weird when you take into account who was there. I will try to properly get it across to the best of my memory. Ned stark pulls up on horseback with 6 other riders. We only get the name for one of the other riders, but it currently escapes me. It is safe to say these are all experienced fighters as they were veterans of Roberts rebellion who had taken Kings Landing by this point. They see ser Gerold Hightower, ser Arthur Dane and one other king’s guard with a bat crest. The last one’s name escapes me and I might have the first name of the Hightower wrong. These 3 knights are all in full plate and are known to be very skilled. This fight is actually pretty even since these kings guard are extremely dangerous. I wouldn’t be surprised if the two not named Arthur are able to fight and beat multiple opponents at once. Ser Arthur Dane on the other hand is a different beast entirely. He is constantly hyped up or referenced as this peak of swordsmanship. It is safe to say he was the best swordsman in living history in Westeros in not in history. It is important to note that we have never really seen him in a desperate fight. I’m now going to explain his sword because it is very important to why he’s so strong. So Arthur uses the two handed sword Dawn. This is in my opinion one of the few truly magical weapons outside of valerion steel. Some people think it is a valerion steel blade it is not since it(Dawn) was forged from a meteorite and not fire/blood magic. It also might be stronger then valerion steel blades which have been said to cut through steel so take that as you may. In order for a member of the house of Dane to traditionally wield Dawn they haft to prove themselves worthy of it. How you prove yourself I don’t know, but it probably is being honorable and being really fucking good at fighting. So once you do you get the title sword of the morning, and this is Arthur Dane’s title. Now how good is he. Well good enough to fight five opponents while taking a leak. So basically with only one hand. Oh who are these opponents oh the other kings guard which included a younger Baristion and Jamie. Now this is a statement from a person reminiscing on the past so not the most accurate thing. Though statements like this are consistently made when in comes to Arthur. Even without fighting in the tower I honestly don’t know how the kings guard trio lost. It probably was a numbers thing though it could be that two of the members are alive. Sorry if the is incomprehensible I wrote this while tired and in the early morning.
@GhostyToasty27
@GhostyToasty27 28 дней назад
This scene was definitely shot on a splinter unit with a day or two to shoot it (I'm a film technician, I see the signs LOL). Lots of handheld shooting with static wide shots for establishing character positions and terrain, quick cut close-ups for the action to hide imperfections, and minimal lighting set up. This often happens when there is a heavy time and/or budget constraint on the scene, usually because the budget has been spent elsewhere, and is a tertiary scene. Also, a different director often comes into to shoot these scenes while the Main Unit director is shooting elsewhere at the same time, which is why the scene doesn't have the exact same aesthetic as the rest of the show (I'm only speculating but this scene feels like it was shot on a less expensive camera, which would explain the flatter colors and muddier definition than the rest of the season).
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