Thank you for all of your dedication! I do enjoy listening. Please have this guest on as much as you can!!!! This is a very humble man that knows his doctrine more than just understanding what the words say. He has the Spirit of the Lord and the Holy Spirit with him to help interpret the truth. He thinks deeply and considers how the Scriptures apply to our choices in a moral way. There are not many people that do that.
Love how he ended this! "I came to religion looking for God, and I am a Latter Day Saint and will till the day I die be a Latter Day Saint, because this is where God has shown himself to me."
I lost almost an entire family in a plane crash. I had worked for these active loving people for 20 years. They were all there when I received my endowment at the age of 60. I have wondered why he took them home. The book of Job as Dr Miller helped explain, is a little easier to understand now. Thank you for your program. I really needed this. Cheryl Biehn
I listened to both parts of this podcast It is truly amazing. Thank you so much for your profound nsights into the Book of Job. Please invite Dr. Miller back when you discuss Romans...or maybe just have back next week instead.
Absolute home run this week. This guy is fascinating. His way of speaking is very enticing. Wish I could take a class from him. Just ordered one of his books on Amazon. Great job today fellas.
I have been looking for answers to a question for over 40 years. I have had direction but your podcast today helped me to see my new quandary in a different light. I have the understanding to move forward in a productive manner. Thank you
I love Follow Him podcasts. As I prepared to teach my 10-11 yr. old Primary boys this morning, I listened a second time to Dr. Miller's discussion of Job. As a lover of Job's poetry, I felt impressed to write what might be Job's reply, verse-by-verse, to Hymn No. 219, Because I Have Been Given Much: 1. When I’ve been given much, To others I must give; But when my bounty great is lost How is it that I can live? In my loss of gifts from thee , Divide what I do not have With every brother that I see? Tis I, dear Lord, who has the need of help from Thee. 2. When shelter’s lost and I’m not fed, When scarce seems thy good care; It's hard to see another’s lack. When glowing fire, loaf of bread, Roof’s shelter no longer had; Must I give to others less than I, That they may be comforted? 3. Because I have been blessed by thy great love, In my loss as well my gain; To those in need by word and deed I’ll give the want I lack. I’ll share again thy love for me; By word and deed I’ll show that love, Then shall my thanks be thanks indeed.
I loved your discussion of the meaning of suffering as expressed in the Book of Job. I loved that Brother Miller taught that we should not look upon suffering as punishment. In 2 Nephi 2:25 we read that "Adam fell that men might be and men are that they might have joy." We often, though, ignore the preceding verses in which Lehi teaches us about the state of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, saying, "... having no joy for they knew no misery, doing no good for they knew no sin." In order to have joy and thus achieve the purpose of our existence, we must know suffering. We can experience it ourselves or preferably, we can choose to "mourn with those that mourn, "bear one another's burdens" or "comfort those who stand in need of comfort." Through the gift of charity, we can become intimately acquainted with suffering and then have joy without necessarily experiencing personal loss.
Thanks for all your hard work and diligence in your life long pursuit of understanding the scriptures. This continues to fuel my own search for meaning and strength in this chaotic season.
My only suggestion to an otherwise perfect discussion would be for Hank and John to remain observers and incredible support for Dr. Miller and other fabulous guests presenters and allow him/them to drive the discussion. When it switched toward the end of Part 1, I hope it was with Dr.. Miller’s approval. Please keep your promise to have him return for Romans next year, well and sometime this year if possible.
Although I see your point, I have to respectfully disagree. I liked the three-way discussion I like. I love to hear the insights of Hank and John as well as their guests, That’s why I listen. However, this guest was just unbelievably brilliant. So I can see why you would want to hear more from him.
..great scholarship is centred in the pursuit of God. The things I've learned today confirm and surpass my attitude towards life itself. Thanks for a great broadcast, you guys are great.
Thank you Dr. Miller as I struggle under a loney and long journey of loss and so misunderstood by others in the LDS church. Please repeat Dr. Millers books
What an absolute treat to have the three of you teach us so much about understanding the book of Job. I love listening to Dr. Miller's commentary and marvel at his use of words. I also love how both Hank and John bring in stories from personal experience, prophets & apostles insights and other scriptures to make this discussion as rich, deep and abiding as possible. Your trio today worked in a beautiful, harmonious concert to enlighten and inspire me. So ever grateful❤️❤️❤️
I’m left deep in thought after all the profound teaching done here. So good. I’m gonna listen to this one a second time with pen and scriptures in hand. Quotes were perfect! I loved his testimony at the end. I feel much the same way. Thank you all so much for doing this. It uplifts me so so much! I can’t wait to read his books.
I agree with your comments and had the same thought today as Part ll was coming to a close. I'm going to commit myself to watch and listen again with pen and scriptures in hand. Profound, thought provoking and memorable. Thank you to Hank Smith, John Bytheway and Dr. Adam Miller.
John Parker was my Bishop years ago and he also served in our Stake Presidency. What a wonderful man! It meant so much to me that he called me when my husband passed. I didn’t even know that he knew about it.
So relatable. We complain with our limited perspective, little realizing our Great and Powerful God laid the foundations of the earth and knows the end from the beginning and all the details of our trials, troubles, sins, change, failures, efforts and triumphs. I appreciate this timely reminder. Thanks so much to everyone that contributes to making this available, including those behind the scenes!
This was excellent. Adam Miller was great. I also like your comments that added to it. I love the book of Job and have read it before when I was down. You have answered a lot of questions and put a lot of thought into it more. I understand it a lot more. Some of the words stood out before, but you have made a lot more of them stand out. Thank you for your time.
Really great podcast! Thank you! I would have loved to hear more of Dr Miller's thoughts, it seemed there was a lot of talking that wasn't Dr Miller & he had some very insightful commentary. Also, on the note of mourning with those that mourn. The church's "Emotional resilience" class is truly excellent & includes some very appropriate suggestions for how to interact with others in their times of trouble. I feel it would be wise for every bishop, RS president & E' quorum president to take this class. From personal experience, after sending my youngest sister (she was 34, mother of 4 young children), my mom (68) & my grandma to their heavenly home last year (less than 10 months), there were some people who said some of the kindest things anyone could have said to me. One that really helped me a lot was a couple of women who said," I have no idea what you're going through because I have not experienced it myself. But I want you to know I'm thinking about you & I care about you & I'm praying for you." They both brought dinner unexpectedly, too. Their kindness & thoughtfulness deeply touched me & were a great comfort. 💕
This was so insightful of the Book of Job. I grew up with Masonic influences, and spent my youth as part of Job's Daughters, the Masonic female youth organization. We recited so much of the writings of Job, and it was really sweet to hear this again. I learned so much in this podcast ! Dr. Miller is so knowledgeable and fascinating.
Adam Miller has become one of my favorite LDS authors, thinkers and speakers. I think the Book of Job plays nicely into how we might understand and respond to members dealing with a modern day "Faith Crisis". In many ways, Job and his friends run up against cognitive dissonance, WHAT they believe about how God works is playing out very differently in reality. So, what can we learn about "faith crisis" today from Job's story? 1. Wrestling with questions about what we believe, why we believe them, and when they break down in front of our eyes is normal and a natural part of human spiritual development. What got us here, won't get us there. Our beliefs have to mature and grow up for them to continue to transform our souls. As Dr Miller stated on the podcast "I think it's important to see even his declarations of despair as part of his religious journey, as part of his religious commitment." 2. Stop reacting or responding to questions of faith with so much anxiety. Just like Job's friends, when we are confronted by someone with deep faith questions, we regularly react in abject fear, judging their questions as, they are on their way out. Why are the questions not equally, if not more likely, inquiries into deeper spirituality and relationship with God? However, when we receive these questions in fear and react with high anxiety, we are NOT helping, we are adding to their "crisis", we are reinforcing a lot of the problems they already feel, and our negative response only serves as a reminder to them.
This episode was one of my favorites! Please have Adam Miller back. I could listen to him all day. I have a hard time believing Job chapter 2! Who in this world would be privy to a conversation between God and the devil? Elder Bruce R McConkie once gave a talk about not all scripture being created equal. I would be very interested in your input concerning Brother Babbel’s insight into Job’s life found in his book “To Him That Believeth” pages 34-36.
This episode was one of my favorites! Please have Adam Miller back. I could listen to him all day. I have a hard time believing Job chapter 2! Who in this world would be privy to a conversation between God and the devil? I would be very interested in your input of Brother Babbel’s insight into Job’s life found in his book “To Him That Believeth” pages 34-36.
Yes and many other prophets of this dispensation suffered tragic things. At least 50% of them lost at least 1 child or more in their lives. Extremely hard for parents.
I heard told once in a class that after Job regained everything, all his possessions were doubled except his children. One possible explanation was that all the earthly things were received back in double portions. Whereas, his first set of children were already still his through the sealing power. Put them with his next set of 10 children, and his posterity had also doubled.
suffering is a prerequisite to serve and minister. That's why there had to be the atonement. Union only comes from shared experience. Suffering is the alignment.
A great presentation - I really appreciated the insight regarding - If a man die, shall he live again? Adam's thoughts about the happily ever after ending really being in the middle as he did lose everything again is very insightful! Thanks for another great learning experience!
I love this podcast! I have learned more from the two of you and the guests that you have brought to your show. Thank you for helping me understand the Old Testament.
What is happening to Job is so confusing to everyone in this story. Job's a righteous man, 1:6, has thou considered my servant Job, there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?" Job is what all Christians strive to become, so this tragedy that happens to his household and Job is mindblowing. One of his friends thinks:, You must have put yourself above God, which is why you are being punished. There has to be a reason God let one of His servants suffer like this, right? Was it your children's sin? What did you do, Job? God only treats his enemy like this, so you much have done something wrong! Then Job begins to buy into the theory and questions God, and Oh, how happy I am to know that God responded. Dr. Miller, I love your comments on God's response to Job. He asks questions that help Job to see who he is compared to Him. Job understands God's love for him, and everyone realizes the truth. I love that Job got to experience a little of the suffering that Jesus Christ will experience when he visits the earth and takes on the world's sins. Thank you for another great discussion.
My 17 year old son likes to participate in extreme sports. Has had a leg reattached and other joint surgeries. I worry every time he leaves the house. He likes to tell me that I am not a good Christian for my worries and tell me that he may die before me and is sorry in advance but he says I will have blessing later in life like Job for having to deal with him. He says just to picture him being the happiest a person could be at his funeral. He is correct to some degree but doesn't make me feel much better😖
Criticism and questioning God at 31:59. Job's friends were deemed by God to be wrong while Job's questioning was correct. Jewish Talmudic scholars decided over 1000 years ago that questioning God and pleading for answers was valid for Jewish believers. It is okay to think critically about your faith and ask of God "where are you?" In my own Gospel Doctrine class I have asked about this. Members often feel it is not their right to be angry or question why they don't have answers to things life suffering. But it is okay to question our faith issues. Otherwise do we then fall into the danger of leaving the church and blaming things that befall us? In a stake meeting yesterday someone said sometimes we don't get those answers even in our lifetime.
Job 13:15 in the discussion at 3:33. This verse represents a desperate hope for Job. It shows the depth of Job's faith. Job valued his faith in God so highly that it came even above his own life. Job only asks for his "day in court" where he can confront God in person and hear His explanation.
I don't think that is what Job is saying in chapter 13:15. I don't think Job is expressing his undying trust in God with his willingness to give his life. I think Job is saying, even if God slays me, I will go all the way to my grave defending my innocence. This is still Job building his case for himself and pressing God to come forward and defend his position. I also don't think this is Job being unfaithful, rather, as Dr. Miller said, we should see Job's questions and declarations of despair as part of his religious experience, as part of Job coming to know God in a deeper way.
