Comedy Censorship Used to be WORSE with Kliph Nesteroff - Factually! - 245

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For as long as there's been comedy, there have been people lamenting that "you can't do comedy anymore". This sentiment feels more prevalent than ever, but is it actual censorship or a shift in our culture? Adam talks with Kliph Nesteroff, a historian of comedy and author of Outrageous: A History of Showbiz and the Culture Wars, about the history of censorship in comedy, and how the idea of audiences being "too sensitive" is propaganda pushed by the very same people who censored comedians in years past. Find Kliph's book at factuallypod.com/books
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@TheAdamConover 6 месяцев назад

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@Dooger414 6 месяцев назад

Still waiting on Adam to comment on his Union granted licensing rights to use AI instead of voice actors in video games. I can't take his moral stances seriously if this is some of the things he does behind closed doors that he refuses to cast light on.

@graffic13 6 месяцев назад

We've always had WAP.... It was just sung different! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nJ0UfziNTBE.htmlsi=Vl96nHEq6VSnnmaC

@JohnnySplendid 6 месяцев назад

"You can't say that anymore! Netflix won't even air this bit." -Ricky Gervais during a bit that Netflix aired

@MagicManICT 6 месяцев назад

Can't find "The Aristocrats" anywhere anymore. So sad.

@WilliamHollister 6 месяцев назад

Umm...you didn't let them finish. The quote should read "You can't even say lazy bigoted jokes without people calling you a LAZY BIGOT! The world's GONE MAD!" Translation: Crafting clever jokes is haaaaaard! Can't we just mock minorities and progress?

@FreeSamich 6 месяцев назад

There were at least two moments in this episode that seemed specifically about Gervais, like "not naming any names" but we're all like, yeah that obv Ricky lol

@nolancheck1465 6 месяцев назад

Awhile back Gervais was notorious for name-searching himself on Twitter and publicly griping about almost everything that wasn't effusive praise; he's an incredibly pathetic man in real life

@robo5013 6 месяцев назад

Part of what you have to understand about what Ricky Gervais was saying was that he was in Britain and comedians there are getting arrested for saying some of those things. His view on censorship is more geared to the realities of where he lives, but to broaden it for American appeal he joked (it WAS a joke) that it wouldn't get aired.

@nickelbutt 6 месяцев назад

“Cancel culture is trying to silence me!” -Legacy Comedians with Yearly Netflix Specials

@antagonizerr 6 месяцев назад

Roseanne Barr, Daniel Tosh, Kevin Hart got pretty damn close, etc etc. Oh Oh, Michelle Wolf got cancelled, Shane Gillis....shall I go on?

@zero11010 6 месяцев назад

good list! How long was Louis CK gone? He lost … hundreds of millions of dollars in deals and he didn’t even break a law, AND he got consent/permission. Remember when Chris Hardwick was hosting like 5 different TV shows and still recognized as a founder of one of the biggest RU-vid comedy channels? False accusations were made. It must have cost him millions. Michael Richards definitely messed up. But he VANISHED after that. Chris Delia was cancelled. I don’t know all the details. TJ miller had false accusations raised about him and it hurt his career in a big way. People definitely tried to get Joe Rogan cancelled. I think this list could be made a hell of a lot longer.

@JohnnySplendid 6 месяцев назад

@@antagonizerr Wolf and Gillis JUST got Netflix specials. What ware you talking about?

@antagonizerr 6 месяцев назад

Great that's two...out of a dozen I and others here have named. Is that really your rebuttle? lol @@JohnnySplendid

@Neddoest 6 месяцев назад

I’ve also heard Bill Burr complain about comedians being censored. And Judy Gold

@Tim_Beitel 6 месяцев назад

A few years back I remember watching a docu-series on CNN about the history of comedy. At some point they ask the question, “is anything off limits?” A lot of the comedians who were featured in the series said no, save for Craig Ferguson. He was adamant that he doesn’t do rape jakes and that there’s nothing funny about it. One of the parts that still sticks with me is when he goes on to criticize the habit that so many comedians have when they tell a joke that is edgy/offensive and which earns them backlash. They quickly hide behind the first amendment arguing that you’re not allowed to criticize or be mad at them because by doing so you’re infringing on their first amendment rights. I love his retort, “no I’m not. However, you’re telling me that I’m not allowed to criticize or be mad at you is infringing on my first amendment right to call you an asshole when I feel like you’re being an asshole.” (Chef’s kiss)

@rebekahp4083 6 месяцев назад

Love Craig Ferguson, I remember him defending Brittany Spears and Amy Winehouse when every other comedian was constantly making fun of their very serious mental health issues.

@Tim_Beitel 6 месяцев назад

@@rebekahp4083 yeah, I remember that. Good on him

@dancoroian1 5 месяцев назад

People consistently misinterpret (intentionally, I'm sure, at least for some of them) the 1st amendment all over the place...like, are you literally incarcerated because of what you said?? If not, it's very likely that the 1st amendment is not relevant to your argument. Also, above and beyond that fact, if your only defense for something you said is that it isn't literally _ILLEGAL_ to say it -- get some better material! Like, damn...

@electrified0 6 месяцев назад

The thing that bothers me the most is that many comedians use "cancel culture" as an excuse to not be funny. They get on stage and give their TedX style speech seeking applause rather than laughter. It's a shame to see legendary comedians put a ceiling on their talent, knowing they're going to sit in the comfort of easy applause by playing the victim and crying about the narrowing walls of comedy instead of actually using their talent and expanding them like they did in their prime.

@kenj0418 6 месяцев назад

Netflix choosing not to offer something because they believe it will upset their subscribers and hurt their bottom line is NOT censorship, it's just a business decision. If the government told Netflix that they aren't allowed to offer something, THAT is censorship. Most people complaining about "censorship" are actually just complaining about other people not liking what they are saying and not wanting to engage with them anymore.

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

I think this is partly true, and I agree the distinction is important. But content decisions made by private companies have a serious effect on what is available in the public sphere. Like imagine if netflix and disney suddenly both removed all their content with lgtbq characters / actors? that would sure have a censoring effect on the availability of media...

@jer280 6 месяцев назад

What about saying something in public or offline and being deplatformed completely for it? Has nothing to do with something "not wanting to engage".

@java4653 6 месяцев назад

@@camipco"I think this is partly true". Its 100% true. Government throwing you in jail AND confiscating your books AND forbidding discussion is Legal Censorship. This is the definition they used that you commented on. That's it. We can't bring in anything else, including when you make your judgement of that statement. That others use the word privately, like a broadcast tv content reviewer, doesn't change the legal definition, which, being legal, is always actual censorship. The Internet= more freedom than anyone can use. The "Free Speech" screechers just want to avoid responsibility for things like being wrong on covid being no big deal, the insurrection, iraq. They are oppressed, they are not serious and these comedians complaining are giving them cover.

@java4653 6 месяцев назад

@@camipco"Content Creators have a serious effect". Not in total. You're already online. Its not possible for you to not find people to talk to about your views or not find views. This statement shows how blind we can be. The problem is misinformation. Elon Musk lied about Twitter & the FBI. He's lying about January 6th. Same with Fox, Tucker, etc. That's the real danger.

@java4653 6 месяцев назад

@@jer280It's not possible to be completely deplatforned. Email is still free, blogging is still free, you can publish you're manifesto somewhere. You are completely wrong.

@electrified0 6 месяцев назад

The deeply ironic part is that the people on Twitter "cancelling" comedians are simply exercising their free speech by sharing their opinions and THAT is the thing that upsets supposed free speech "defenders"

@commonviewer2488 6 месяцев назад

"I'm being cancelled on Twitter! This is the death of comedy!" Vs. "I got fired and arrested for saying the word 'sh*t.'"

@alisdraws 6 месяцев назад

It's exactly what he said, the reason they keep claiming censorship and crying cancel culture in their specials is cause the audience keeps agreeing, because they're entreching themselves in an audience that's more and more conservative and bigoted each time. I think Dave Chappelle is a good example of this. I don't know if Chappelle understands that he's stirring very close to cater to the same people that made him leave comedy before. Like, yes cater to transphobes and the racists will come. It makes me feel sad for him if he's not noticing the clear shift

@notelliot70 6 месяцев назад

But then Burr was all pissed about the audience not laughing at his Chinese joke. Dude, it's not their job to laugh at your jokes. You're the professional. It's your job. Same with Seinfeld and his gay French nobleman impression. The younger crowd doesn't find being gay a punchline. Being gay is still setup to them, and they are waiting for you to drop a joke

@electrified0 6 месяцев назад

That's a bit different since his attitude is more shock and surprise that others don't find something funny he does, not genuine anger against people for being overly sensitive.

@WhichDoctor1 6 месяцев назад

When Monty pythons life of Brian was censored and banned from cinemas by governments and there were bishops and pastors and such going on tv demanding they be arrested the Monty Python boys made jokes about it. Not whiny self pitying diatribes disguised as jokes. They just had a laugh at the people quite literally censoring them.

@BronzeEleven 6 месяцев назад

I could push back against the idea that suppressing bigotry is censorship, certainly up to a point anyway. Free-speech, as originally premised by JS Mill, was about protecting the good-faith debate of ideas that are subject to rational scrutiny. Bigotry is more in the class of ideas that things like "threats of violence" or "political propaganda" belong to. Bigotry doesn't exist in the world of logical propositions to be fairly scrutinized by reason, it is meant to subvert that exact process and sow irrational hatred and discrimination.

@maddie4w 6 месяцев назад

Adam didn’t catch that Justin Trudeau joke at 29:20 but all Canadians watching this spit out their water laughing

@TheMajorStranger 6 месяцев назад

About the Blackface part. Netflix also remove an episode of Community that had an asian Character (Chang) painting his face completely black to look like a Drow. Within the context it was clear it was not okay and the joke was on this doofus doing this insane thing because we've known Chang for 2 seasons and all know he's insane.

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

It's true that there are instances where the rule is clumsily applied. But it's a mistake to conclude from that the rule is bad. The idea of removing all the blackface episodes of all shows from your platform is probably a good one. And yeah, in doing that you hit some episodes that are arguably not exactly doing blackface, or doing it to make a good point or whatever. But the question is which side of the line are you more willing to risk. Is it worth it to take down some good episodes to avoid having a bunch of a blazonly racist trope on your platform? Or is it worth keeping some of that blazon racism around to keep the Drow episode? And it's impossible to calibrate that precisely to please everyone, and it's definitely worth having the conversation. But a lot of the discourse about this is to suggest that because they (maybe) got it wrong in this or that instance, that means the entire project of trying to have less racism in comedy should be thrown out.

@megapussi 6 месяцев назад

Dont conflate a bad rule with a bad individual application of a rule

@Dooger414 6 месяцев назад

@@camipcoIt changes and omits the history of something. It's very Orwellian. Imagine that principle applied to historical recollection out of fear it will upset someone... takes on a new level of tyrannical overstep.

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

@@Dooger414 Not making the episodes available is not the same as pretending they never existed. And "fear it will upset someone" is intentionally missing the point. Blackface is in fact racist, and was a core part of the history of racism in the US entertainment industry. Not being able to watch one episode of Community is not "tyranny".

@java4653 6 месяцев назад

That's normal, sloppy, individual missteps. This is to be expected precisely because there's no massive demands for censorship with rules and a single committee. The Right always exaggerates this stuff, they actually make it worse because then its another layer of uncertainty from a dishonest direction, while Netflix is just trying to do the right thing on their own, sloppily... Knowing its already available on RU-vid as a clip and people are discussing it. These aren't big deals anymore. Not when the Internet exists. After all, we're both discussing it !

@oklimbo 6 месяцев назад

"One joke in particular" >* hard cut* to what has to be after he let it fly has me DYING.

@ALLUSIONfilmCo 6 месяцев назад

WHAT'S THE JOKE!?

@darrenjackson4646 6 месяцев назад

Nardwar did indeed interview ice spice, if anyone was wondering. She was confused at first but always nice and warmed up to him eventually

@dinosaysrawr 6 месяцев назад

I think y'all are confusing the Wiggles (the children's music group from Australia) with the Wuzzles (1985 animated series about cute hybrid animals). You're welcome. Anywho, I find it refreshing, personally, how many of our modern taboos relate in some way to causing harm and hurt to living beings, as opposed to flouting tradition, disrespecting authority or respected institutions, supposedly offending God, or just being "unclean."

@rsalbreiter 6 месяцев назад

I think once Jeff Dunham started his "still not canceled" tour, we should have retired the word canceled. The puppet guy with a mostly family audience is advertising that he hasn't been canceled yet

@TurdJesus 6 месяцев назад

He just sucks. But I don’t blame him for cash grabbing from simpletons

@seth5143 6 месяцев назад

he should be cancelled for being painfully unfunny

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

He's making in the 10s of millions too, he's one of the most successful working comics...

@ayyy_corn 6 месяцев назад

I really thought George Carlin getting arrested for his "7 words" joke was going to come up a lot earlier lol

@Scriven42 6 месяцев назад

I remember buying the 2 lIve Crew, As Nasty As They Wanna Be album... couldn't buy it in Ontario Canada at all, but we visited Rochester NY, and the House of Guitars had a pile right at the cash register.

@Tamlinearthly 6 месяцев назад

The real truth that nobody wants to articulate these days is that most comedians are self-important, uninteresting, and venal; mediocre people get into comedy because it's slightly easier than some other routes to show business and because they imagine they're a generational voice like Bruce or Carlin--but of course, they're not, they're Tim from Topeka. "We're here to speak truth to power!" No, you're here because the band cancelled and Open Mic Night makes just barely more economic sense than closing early.

@JohnnySplendid 6 месяцев назад

Christ that is beyond accurate

@alanfike 6 месяцев назад

Buy this guy's audio book, "The Comedians". He does tremendous voice impersonations. He does!

@DamonBrazzellUkesploitation 6 месяцев назад

Modern day comics: I'm being censored and my free speech rights are being violated. Lenny Bruce: F--k you.

@zero11010 6 месяцев назад

I’m guessing the hundreds of millions of dollars in projects and deals that Louis CK lost when he … did not break any laws is a little worse than the time Lenny Bruce spent in jail for obscenity charges (let’s ignore the felony drug charges on the person who eventually OD’d for now). The amount of money Louis CK lost would still be MUCH greater than anything Lenny would have accomplished even if he didn’t overdose on morphine and also never got arrested.

@EmeraldCityVideo 6 месяцев назад

27:38 “That’s not true” is actually a key factor in audience thinking. It’s why things ring false or seem cruel, and it’s also why bigots will say a comic is “speaking truth to power.”

@mungobaggins8197 5 месяцев назад

To quote Austin Powers: “Right now, we've got freedom and responsibility. It's a very groovy time.”

@DaxPegels 6 месяцев назад

I always like the titles, making it seem like comedy was worse with Kliph around.

@derheadbanger9039 6 месяцев назад

I hate it when people can't distinguish the subject of a joke from the target of the joke.

@salmanhendershot782 6 месяцев назад

Fantastic discussion, I loved it. I can't agree that eliminating abusive language is censorship because the intent is a reduction in harm. I think it's necessary to silence bigots etc. The phrases that comes to mind are "absolute tolerance will always lead to intolerance" and "silence only helps the oppressor". Reasonable people have to work against bigotry and intolerance or else it will continue to exist and while that may look like censorship it's just not the same thing. I also think it's important to delineate the difference in order to call out bad actors.

@PropheticShadeZ 6 месяцев назад

I think uncritical posting of hate speech is the issue. Some language is just emotional violence, and needs to be excluded

@zero11010 6 месяцев назад

But … by definition it’s still censorship. It doesn’t really matter if you agree with it or if you prefer it censored. It’s still the right word for things that are happening. Not wanting to be associated with censorship doesn’t make censorship something else.

@ubermenschen01 6 месяцев назад

One could argue that any censorship is harm reduction: "It hurts national morale to criticize the gov't" "It hurts the church's outreach to lost souls when you criticize the church" Rather than play word games, or talking about the vibes of a specific word, it's better to say "Correct, it is censorship, b/c I feel that this type of speech is bad for this reason." Now you have taken a stand, and others must either agree or disagree. Especially in the face of those who try to weasel their way into saying the same thing from their perspective.

@LavenderGooms 6 месяцев назад

What do you mean, people getting mad at you on twitter and saying don't watch your televised comedy special is totally exactly the same as Lenny Bruce getting arrested for obscenity.

@dj_genrefluid 6 месяцев назад

Each time I watch your show I feel like these are conversations worth having, nothing is ever black and white. Great job, Adam!

@Dooger414 6 месяцев назад

Speaking of which. Ask Adam what he thinks of generative AI voice-acting... based on what he and his Union negotiated recently, you might be surprised!

@killer660 6 месяцев назад

@@Dooger414 he didn't negotiate, that was higher up union members, maybe learn about who the leaders in the Union are rather than blame someone that was picketing for AI not to be a thing, in general...

@moosewerk356 6 месяцев назад

Jordan Peterson is to philosophy intellectual white noise what Jeff Dunham is to comedy.

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

Hmmm. I mean they both suck, but I wouldn't accuse Jeff Dunham of trying to hide behind academic language and obtuse theory...

@Dooger414 6 месяцев назад

I mean, comedy is subjective. Jordan, for as much as you don't like him, was a CLINICAL psychologist that has years of work, cited to this day by probably people you WOULD agree with... because the STEM work is objective. If you can not separate good work done by someone you dislike from equivocation of dislike meaning now everything said individual contributes MUST be wrong... you aren't going to have a good fount of knowledge. Applying a growingly stricter purity test to scientists, philosophers, and politicians is going to leave you with no one... and very quickly.

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

@@Dooger414 Peterson's claims in his books are very far from objective. Cass Eris has a great series on this, worth watching.

@madelinemitchell104 5 месяцев назад

@Dooger414 Yeah, I don't think that's it at all. The reason Jordan is increasingly referred to as a "pop philosopher" is largely because his actual academic work is second rate at a fundamental level, hence why internet grifting suits him better.

@8bitmagic 6 месяцев назад

Was great meeting you in Portland! What a fun show, thanks for making it all the way up to Maine despite travel troubles lol.

@kennyblaha9620 6 месяцев назад

Lazy comedians who basically would wear blackface and carry slapsticks are the ones complaining. Skilled comedians find new words and angles for their punchlines.

@MMuraseofSandvich 6 месяцев назад

What was that saying, when someone gets used to privilege, equality feels like oppression? Much as Chappelle should be respected for what he's accomplished, no one's canceling him for his views or "jokes" on trans people. Seems to me that he's running into consequences for what he says and he just doesn't like it.

@PrettyGuardian 6 месяцев назад

It's hard to say he's even running into consequences when he keeps getting multimillion dollar netflix specials.

@ZZ-qy5mv 6 месяцев назад

I’d argue trying to remove or keep someone from human right that are harmless to others and essential to their wellbeing is a much truer form of “canceling.” These people are spending all of their energy openly canceling an entire group of people while crying “cancel culture. Wahh.”

@newmoonjlp 6 месяцев назад

@@ZZ-qy5mvTHIS

@michaelromeo4601 6 месяцев назад

Another good segment, keep up the good work Adem

@LukeMcGuireoides 6 месяцев назад

Brilliant. Tysm, Adam, for skewering the fascists and the right in general.

@tommcmahan 6 месяцев назад

Today's comedians feel they are (probably are) the heirs of the legacy of Bruce/Carlin/Pryor, the comedians who helped obliterate the older censorship ("seven words" etc). They go through the prime of their careers in that aftermath where lots of comedians could swear or curse or say pretty much anything they wanted along those lines. During that time, of course, the culture is changing faster than any one person in it, comedians included, and now they're older and the "edginess" they saw themselves as being champions of just isn't that edgy/funny anymore, so "I'm being suppressed" instead of "I'm slowly fading away..."

@tommcmahan 6 месяцев назад

LOL I posted this 30 minutes before Adam got to the same exact point! Sorry

@scottmaclean436 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for the "maybe the prime minister of Canada" joke. Seems like it flew over Adam's head but i appreciate you paying tribute to our ridiculous Prime Minister.

@BiodegradableYTP 6 месяцев назад

Man, this was a brilliant episode.

@MindEyeMediaVR 6 месяцев назад

Great discussion! It really puts a lot of things into perspective, something that I'm sure the Heritage Foundation hates. Then again, what else would you expect from an organization that's determined to keep bigotry acceptable by deliberately blurring the definition of freedom?

@offintonebula 6 месяцев назад

Enjoyed this interview.... had a lot of substance

@Antifadiva 6 месяцев назад

Amazing video great history I am learning can't believe they got arrested for saying Schmuck!

@hideshiseyes2804 5 месяцев назад

I don’t see much standup but the last two I saw were Frankie Boyle and Stewart Lee, both left-leaning and quite vocally hostile to the idea that cancel culture is ruining comedy etc. The big thing I noticed was that both of them, without saying anything bigoted, said some *extremely* offensive things. Like, more horrifically offensive than anything you’d hear Chapelle or Gervais say, except that those latter guys will target marginalised groups. This bald guy’s idea that there are *new* taboos but there don’t seem to be *more* taboos rings very true to me.

@mrmr446 6 месяцев назад

As an occasional performer I have been convinced for years that it's never the crowds fault if someone bombs in the same way it's never the squirrels fault if I get bitten while feeding them.

@subs4794 6 месяцев назад

Stick to feeding squirrels 🥜🌰🐿️

@joshs3916 6 месяцев назад

Great video. Fantastic points.

@stevenolsen1260 6 месяцев назад

This was excellent

@adam346 5 месяцев назад

not sure which part is worse... the fact we have more freedom of expression and people believe we have less or the fact that "comedians" (I use quotations because many of them have left the concept dead on the road some time ago) can earn literally 10's of millions off of the concept... meanwhile kicking down at LGBTQ+ people because why not?

@BlondeTiger 6 месяцев назад

Love this episode ❤

@vargonian 6 месяцев назад

I actually really like that comedy specials are basically comedians teaching younger generations how comedy works. “No, you see, the joke is that I’m parodying someone who might say this bad thing. I’m not actually saying the bad thing.”

@woolyyyyyyy 6 месяцев назад

Narduar has indeed interviewed ice spice

@sneakyrabbits 6 месяцев назад

Love that this guy is a Nardwuar fan. Had to watch the Ice Spice Nardwuar video once he mentioned it.

@homiiciidalkiitten6650 3 месяца назад

To me it just feels like some older comedians are just mad they no longer can just fall back to lazy stereotypical jokes to get laughs, money, and fame and actually have to come up with clever material...

@mrplaomeow768 6 месяцев назад

Guy Aoki that debated Sarah Silverman's wasn't the best person to debate her on that specific joke. He was dismissive, whereas if he were a comic he might have emphasized how interchangeable it was with other slurs and wasn't a strong premise and the stakes felt cheap in it's modularity like an opener about Shelbyville if you were in Springfield. Racism is a volatile topic but there are degrees of finesse and that wasn't worth the risk in how poorly constructed it was.

@bluesmandingo 5 месяцев назад

good stuff

@madelinelemniscate9717 5 месяцев назад

The things that are censored now is bc people are offended not because it profuse or truly inappropriate bc those things are aloud.

@vinnieramone4818 5 месяцев назад

The song "rotten cocksukers ball" by the clovers is ok nowadays, but the song it was based on"darktown strutters ball" isn't

@dancoroian1 5 месяцев назад

Dang Adam -- just looked it up and the soy bomb incident was in *1998!*

@joeyrufo 6 месяцев назад

34:30 there was a certain comedian here in Austin who, um, yeah, idk, didn't even get in that much trouble in, like, 2021(?) for using the same slur Sarah didn't get in that much trouble for in, what, 2006? 🤔🤔🤔

@radiofriendlybox 6 месяцев назад

hey! i liked "tru calling".

@JJPrizeDistributionComittee 6 месяцев назад

"(Name your famous comedian) wouldn't be able to tell his jokes today!" I mean, yeah, and also your current jokes wouldn't have landed very well back in the day. Times change, get with the program.

@AzaleaJane 5 месяцев назад

From a certain angle it looks like the guest is wearing a Steven Universe shirt ⭐

@mightyone3737 5 месяцев назад

This is a decent topic, and while the guest has views that are absolutely batshit to me scattered throughout they remained interesting and suspiciously sane for someone who willingly watches old 'reality TV'. I mean, I could see watching it to 'solve' it, understand how the show's creators handled the participants in such a way that they got the show that they wanted, and then could pretend was 'real', but yikes. I have a huge soft spot for old comedies, I think most cinema ages poorly (lots of exceptions I'm sure, but I don't love old drama generally), but good comedy is by definition timeless. In 1000 years people will still watch Charlie Chaplin, and very little of what is being made now will be watched, he just did the slapstick stuff really well. I'm sure lots of bad comedy was made that aged terribly, but the best stuff ages well and will continue to age well.

@harrisonlorens3585 5 месяцев назад

Agreed on this dude saying some crazy shit. Could not believe some of the things he was saying or even refusing to say.

@joeyrufo 6 месяцев назад

26:20 hey! The thing where you go on a rant for a whole minute without taking a breath isn't easy! 🤪

@glenjennett 5 месяцев назад

Personally, I have to be in a certain mood to watch or listen to comedians. If I don't like the type of jokes that any particular comedian tells, I just don't watch them, but I don't feel offended by them. If someone is offended by something that someone else says, that is their choice to take offense. It reminds me of how people a few decades ago would get offended or bothered by what they see on TV while sitting there with a remote in their hand and instead of just changing the channel to watch something else, they have to complain and try to get that program censored so that no one else can enjoy it. It's the same as someone making rude comments about a post they don't like instead of just ignoring it and moving onto the next post. We choose what we want to get offended with. It's fine to give a critical opinion of something, but at the same time, if it bothers you, you don't have to watch it.

@wathecat 6 месяцев назад

I’d say it’s ironic that the comedians like Louis CK, Seinfeld, Gervais, even Chapelle, were either totally milquetoast, or finding the closest line they could to being “dangerous” and still feeding off the stereotypes of hegemonic culture, and often affirming the hierarchies of that culture. They might want to think they were transgressive, but let’s face it, if your audience is made up of half the American population, you’re just not that transgressive. All the people who were “offended” by your truth-telling were overly vocal weirdos and not representative of the actual place your culture is at. You’re mainstream. The problem is that the prejudices and biases these comedians used to feed off of aren’t as popular any more. That’s all. They’re getting old.

@Neddoest 6 месяцев назад

They’re getting old and they’ve also surrounded themselves in their money bubbles. Having a lot of money changes the way a person thinks, the people they surround themselves with, the places they go etc. and it turns into an echo chamber.

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

Although, interestingly, Louis CK has never had much of a reckoning around the content of his jokes. In fact, back before we found out about The Thing, he was often cited as an example of how you could address sensitive topics effectively without punching down. I think he does talk about it some in his comeback thing, but honestly that was mostly so dull I don't remember much of it. But he does accept at least some of the 'cancelling' was legitimate, and while he equivocates, he admits what he did was gross.

@danielson2531 4 месяца назад

I'm a little late to the party, but I find myself listening to a fair number of center left and center right videos. It's interesting to hear the same battlegrounds from the two different perspectives, namely college campuses around the 44 minute mark. It feels as though the right claims the left has captured these institutions, and will always send people to protest a speaker. Claiming every speaker for the right is bigoted, as they seem to in this video, feels like it takes for granted a heavy leftward lean of many institutions.

@mrpickles1 6 месяцев назад

I'm surprised you didn't mention the arrest of George Carlin.. didn't he like, do that on purpose?

@DavidStavis 5 месяцев назад

:0 34:44 so wait, the editor clearly cut here and removed the one joke in particular. that's pretty fucking ironic and also answers the question 😂 it must be taboo today if Adam Conover's show claiming that taboo jokes aren't censored DID ACTUALLY CENSOR IT???

@vrpansy 6 месяцев назад

just because you or i don't think jokes about religion or saying the fuck word are taboo or controversial doesn't mean nobody's offended by it nowadays

@JB-wh3we 6 месяцев назад

Adam, i dare you to do an episode on postmodernist philosophical beliefs.

@vincentwady 11 дней назад

Maybe just say, you son of the billionaire, or you fly the private. As the comedians’ punch lines

@Linklex7 4 месяца назад

He doesn’t know who Ice Spice is? I’m jealous of him.

@danielr3182 6 месяцев назад

Yes, Naurdwar has indeed interviewed ice spice

@direktive4 6 месяцев назад

whatever happened to reading the room

@phenixnunlee372 6 месяцев назад

nardwuar did interview ice spice

@unamejames 6 месяцев назад

I think Sarah Silverman's joke was and is funny and she was right that it is obviously self deprecating and implicitly anti-racist, but Aoki was right that it legitimizes slurs. I think what happened is once your audience gets big enough, your ability to effectively do satire ends. In the age of social media, satire is a super dangerous tool. If you made the same joke today, millions of people would see it who are too dumb to understand that it is obviously self deprecating and implicitly anti-racist, so basically the only thing left that the joke could possibly do is make it cool and funny to use slurs for Chinese people.

@java4653 6 месяцев назад

Her joke was for her audience, at that time. A core element of humor is context and contradiction. Dad says he's going to work but he's wearing a football helmet, so the kids laugh. Same with Sarah: her audience is hip and more aware. Everyone in the room is not a racist, including her. So the absurdity of her dating a black guy and saying racist things is the core of the joke + the idea had been suppressed during Reagan-Bush. Her cohort knew this was b s., so its not a surprise some brought the issue out into the open. Its a great joke in its time & place and that's a big part of humour.

@Scriven42 6 месяцев назад

OH, love the Trudeau-blackface joke. When he can't remember how many times he's done it, you know it's a lot.

@PokhrajRoy. 6 месяцев назад

So happy this episode exists! The most insidious names in comedy still get jobs and that’s awesome.

@EseJandro 6 месяцев назад

Fantasy Ball*

@kenjin9388 6 месяцев назад

so i looked up that silveman joke and watched it, i don't c y the joke would that b bad

@paulrogers3385 6 месяцев назад

Most annoying censorship is the offending of a few who knew it was going to be said and still went/watched/listened to the show, and the result is the many many many who did not interpret it to be offensive are now denied to make their own decision to go/watch/listen to the show or performer again.

@jessmstephens 6 месяцев назад

"Soy bomb" was written on his chest and he was wearing pants. I remember it live.

@CZRWK 6 месяцев назад

Seeing Adam's face next to Adam's face is awkward :D

@nolancheck1465 6 месяцев назад

My opinion on cancel culture boils down to two words: Sometimes Necessary

@drbosommd 6 месяцев назад

Isn't Taika a Maori ? Maoris are an indigenous people but they are from NZ ,

@java4653 6 месяцев назад

Close enough, meaningless brain fart.

@AvangionQ 6 месяцев назад

"Cancel Culture" is just accountability for your words and deeds. If you say or do something hateful and horrible that would make you shunned by society, don't act surprised.

@themillennialfailure 6 месяцев назад

I will *always* remember soy bomb!

@gcharny8022 6 месяцев назад

lol what is that about Taika Waititi? He's a New Zealander???

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

He's Māori, so he's an indigenous New Zealander.

@gcharny8022 6 месяцев назад

@@camipco that’s no Indigenous to the USA. Also the Māori are very much not like other Indigenous people that had their homeland colonised - they’re basically the story of if the Native Americans in Oklahoma had their dream of being a state in the US achieved

@camipco 6 месяцев назад

@@gcharny8022 I think everyone understands that New Zealand is a different country to the USA. And yeah, the history of the treatment of Māori people isn't exactly the same and in many ways is better than the treatment of indigenous people in many other countries. But still fundamentally they are an oppressed group by white settlers, with higher rates of incarceration, poverty, a history of discriminatory laws and practices. As for the comparison to statehood, my understanding is the Māori have some relatively small number seats in the New Zealand legislature, but they aren't self-governing. (I just googled it, Māori currently hold 15/120 seats, which is less than the 16% of the population they make up, but yes, way more than Native Americans in the US Congress), Like Māori are still a minority in most of New Zealand, right? Is there a part of New Zealand where Māori have majority political control?

@java4653 6 месяцев назад

@@gcharny8022What's your point. We all know this. New Zealanders share Maori tradition of the Haka, so they've got some nice home grown progress and acceptance.

@jame950 6 месяцев назад

Nobody is canceling anyone. We just give to much attention to the few that complain and make it a thing more so than if we just let them complain and ignore it. Nobody is hurt by comedy.

@scottmaclean436 6 месяцев назад

I just watched a video of a women being arrested for wearing a thong on the beach in Miami

@Vicioussama 6 месяцев назад

Corporations should get ZERO tax cuts/breaks/subsidies/government funding if they can't adhere to our constitutional rights.

@DanielleA2023 6 месяцев назад

💯 agree 👍🏻

@AlexA-gy7us Месяц назад

That professional but unfunny comedian they were talking about is Kevin Hart

@geewillikers5342 6 месяцев назад

Good history on right wing censorship starting at 42:00. Maybe just keep the discussion focused because the discussion on the current state of things missed too much to be useful.

@AdrianGonzalez-dl8id 6 месяцев назад

skinny jeans lol

@Neddoest 6 месяцев назад

There’s a line between harm-reduction and over the line censorship. I have no idea where the line should be.

@Shiftarus 6 месяцев назад

It depends on the platform, and context

@davidhill2020 6 месяцев назад

12:15 It generally wasn't a bunch of people who wrote letters, it was usually a small number of people who wrote and copied a large number of letters. One time, Howard Stern got 100+k plus letters about him sent to the FCC, written by six people. When Michael Powell, the head of the FCC and son of Colin Powell, was asked about it, he said, "I don't care about how many people are complaining". So, it tended to be less about offending Americans' sensibilities and more about a small number of Chads and Karens who want you to do what they say. These same people could have heard Tim Allen say the N-word in the mid-60s and would have been fine with it.