Commander, but First to Lose Wins! | Commander Clash S16 E26 

I was expecting Phage ramp

​@@devinkerr5474same, how would you not just glass cannon phage and tutor for cavern of souls

Yes! I vote this!

Wouldn't this require making them win through alternate win cons? Usually, you win through elimination. I'm not that well-versed on random options in MTG. How many alternate win cons can target other players?

Maybe they start at 0 and getting to 40 kills you?

@@blakethesnake6686 This is a decent idea, but to be a good game you need pentagram like rules as well. With a 4 player pod you'd be trying to make the person to your left win, and this enables attacks to try to stop someone from winning. It gets sticky though because pay life effects essentially read the person to your right can't win the game. There are also far more and more powerful options for making players lose life than there are for making opponents gain life. You'd likely need to prohibit negative life totals because of this, and then you're still stuck with people choosing not to block so they don't lose. You could make combat damage cause life gain, but at that point you've basically just flipped life gain and loss.

The way he played around it was great to see though.

It's target non black creature I believe

Ban the Pacts and any card that can pay life for free. You would have to remove the poltergeist, necro, etc. as well... even stuff like Lim Dul's Vault too. It would make it way more interesting...

​​@@JDCSEaglesThen it just becomes Leveler combo without the Thoracle.

That sounds fun. Have you done it yourself? (And how did it go if so?)

@@andrewspears8891 I am not fortunate enough to have a play group, so I haven't tried it. I am 99% certain I saw a video where a group was trying it out. Either that or a fever dream. I think one guy won by having a secret win condition of being the second player to die? Might have been a CardMarket video.

@@MrMartinSchouIt was a Cardmarket video, the person won by completing the Kaldra equipment set and killing someone with it via combat damage. Think it was Jamin?

I really like this idea.

@@darushkii agreed. I'm an old player and regular EDH gets a little stale to me sometimes. This is the most fun I've had watching EDH in a long time. It'd be great for playgroups to build a deck like that just to pull out once a game night or something, mix it up

CEDH is often much slower as there's not a lot of 0 mana "win the game" cards like here.

More than 50% of cedh tournament games go to time (80 minutes)

@@TheUrDragon25 that’s just a skill issue

@@CenJohan brian koval, sam black, and Brian cook among othets are all famous professional magic players who migrated to cedh. They do not have "skill issues"

@@TheUrDragon25 that’s just like your opinion man

That is awesome! I will make a template

Yeah should make one as well

It paradoxes is all to death!

@@kaemonbonet4931It will send them into the Escher painting.

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!

This card was the card that made me fall in love with magic.

Isnt there a black creature card that exiles almost your whole library?

Going from the last time they tried something similar that sounds like a horrible idea.

They did Peasant commander once upon a time. Without rares, it's really hard to close out games. I don't think they had a good time with it.

@@babatazyah They did pauper once with uncommon commanders. The game went for over 3 hours and was probably one of the most boring epsiodes of theirs ever. Games take forever if the best creature is a Gurmag angler.

For the next season or two they occasionally brought that one up and sounded pretty traumatized whenever they did.

And yet he loses the most

@ricepresidents On this season, sure. He has gained a reputation on clash for being a strong player in the pod, and the amount of caution everybody has when playing around him proves that.

I don't know if it would have that much of an impact. You still have plenty of 1 and 2 mana ways to lose the game.

@@ankhi3585 yeah probably thousands of cards saying "pay x life"

You would also need to ban phage the untouchable but just as a commander

@@TalonKarrde03 I don't think she'd be anywhere near that good. Getting to 7 mana isn't trivial, and being monocolor prevents access to a lot of alternative win (loss?) conditions.

@@danl9030 artifact ramp and rituals could get you there if you build right. Or discard her and reanimate. In the 99 it’s deadly entomb then any reanimate spell would get you a quick lose/win

*Should have (the above comment was "Should of" at first, they corrected it, now mine doesn't make sense lol)

​@@MentalCrusader should've is a real word and is correct in this context

I think they are in the spirit of competitive self-destruction

I dunno this format is insanely broken, the pacts are just a part of it.

Why ban the theme of this format...from this format?

Homestuck

I think the best solution might be every player starts with an abyssal persecutor so that everyone needs to out the other players' persecutors before your lose conditions work.