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Graham, Kathleen, and Wheeler discuss all things Commander Masters on this weeks TapTapConcede.
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@gene7cole
@gene7cole 10 месяцев назад
It's very validating to hear Wheeler talk about the $20 - $5 shifts. I'm a super budgeted player and I've never needed $100 cards (most are too strong or too complex for my style of play), but these lower scale dramatic shifts let me compete way more with wealthier players
@johanandersson8252
@johanandersson8252 10 месяцев назад
👏👏👏
@MrThewooter
@MrThewooter 10 месяцев назад
Man, I wish I could play in a group where "too strong" was a thing I could worry about again.
@voltcorp
@voltcorp 10 месяцев назад
it's commander, just print them
@DorkmasterFlek
@DorkmasterFlek 10 месяцев назад
The answer to Sliver Hive is either a) reprint equity (i.e. money) or b) they actually did miss it, in which case sheer incompetence. There's no excuse for that card not being in that deck.
@pUREsTORM9267
@pUREsTORM9267 10 месяцев назад
"Broadcasting live from the Sliver Hive on the plane of Not In These Precons". Why must you hurt me, Graham?
@markbrierley6367
@markbrierley6367 10 месяцев назад
By Graham you mean WotC, right?
@skillganon606
@skillganon606 10 месяцев назад
​@@markbrierley6367wotc did the thing, G-Money is just rubbing it in lol
@CaptainTempest1
@CaptainTempest1 10 месяцев назад
Completely agree with Wheeler's take as someone from a similar privileged position. I played a ton back in high school/college and picked up a lot of stuff for cheap that's now worth a frankly absurd amount of money, but I am so soured by the finance aspect of this game. I bought these cards as game pieces, not as investments or stocks. I don't care if my collection's value depreciates, I'd much rather they reprint stuff into the ground to make the game more widely accessible. Power level shouldn't be dependent on how much you're willing to spend on the game.
@GallantLee
@GallantLee 10 месяцев назад
I agree.
@MrBaker-qr6yi
@MrBaker-qr6yi 10 месяцев назад
First impressions from the cheap seats. Looks like it would be a lot of fun, your PPR looked amazing. It is also out of the price range for us mortals. I love drafting, but a draft booster box is $300 online.
@ToxicAtom
@ToxicAtom 10 месяцев назад
WotC really needs to start setting MSRP again, it's insane that sellers can commit highway robbery like this and get away with it because "it's wotc's fault, the poor, poor sellers _have_ to make the product that expensive to make any profit at all!"
@AMageOldAsDirt
@AMageOldAsDirt 10 месяцев назад
@@ToxicAtom The lack of MSRP is specifically so you do this. WotC gets to shift the blame from themselves to sellers. But this price was sold through distributors at a much higher price than normal. The commander decks for instance were sold to stores for 60 dollars, which is absurd
@TheKrazyguy75
@TheKrazyguy75 10 месяцев назад
@@AMageOldAsDirt Which probably means WotC sold to distributers for like $55. At the end of the day, WotC is the ones committing highway robbery.
@williamransom940
@williamransom940 10 месяцев назад
That flavour text for disrupt decorum gave me a genuine chuckle, Quality Job Kathleen.
@definitelynotalex5491
@definitelynotalex5491 10 месяцев назад
I love that Ron Spencer art so much (like all Ron Spencer art) and that flavor text goes perfect with it lol
@ukaszbylica3261
@ukaszbylica3261 10 месяцев назад
While I understand exactly why Strixhaven Star is not italicized in that flavor text, it does make the whole thing look at first glance like it's a keyword ability and it's reminder text.
@EricChoiniere
@EricChoiniere 10 месяцев назад
I could totally imagine Legendary creatures with the keyword "Strixhaven Star"
@perfectedidiot2
@perfectedidiot2 10 месяцев назад
7:14 I'll take that as Wheeler's stealthy criticism of the reserved list and I approve.
@SkynetSpider
@SkynetSpider 10 месяцев назад
I can't wait to get my xerox secret lair of these cards.
@NStripleseven
@NStripleseven 10 месяцев назад
based
@voltcorp
@voltcorp 10 месяцев назад
Hewlett Packard Masters
@Oopsall
@Oopsall 10 месяцев назад
@@voltcorpI’m more of a Canon master man myself, but brothers in solidarity 💪🏻
@nickchaput219
@nickchaput219 10 месяцев назад
Sliver Hive was $10 before it was announced it wasn't being reprinted. Now it's $50 as a result of that fact
@raonair
@raonair 10 месяцев назад
Fucking hell. I imagined it was possible for reprint sets to not drive prices down, but never heard of them driving prices UP!
@TastySnackies
@TastySnackies 10 месяцев назад
Another reason why proxies are morally correct
@Oopsall
@Oopsall 10 месяцев назад
@@raonairlots of people want to build a sliver deck from the precon, and the land is extremely useful in it. Stores expect a price hike so do so anyway
@raonair
@raonair 10 месяцев назад
@@Oopsall yeah, and it sucks
@Kryptnyt
@Kryptnyt 10 месяцев назад
I'd consider it overrated, if it's not a budget option for the sliver manabase it's not really useful at all. Spending six mana to make a sliver is pretty uninspiring. Why not purchase a nice Cavern of Souls instead for seven dollars cheaper? Does much the same thing and you can use it in any deck instead of just in a sliver deck.
@FoxGoddess
@FoxGoddess 10 месяцев назад
Final Goal: Beat someone in the Face with a Sliver Zombie Orc Army.
@shaden489
@shaden489 10 месяцев назад
kind of sad to not see you mention the flavour text for generous gift extended art im not sure if that was a Kathleen flavour text but it does mention a player character from bylaw and order which i absolutely loved
@mstieler8480
@mstieler8480 10 месяцев назад
It looks like the draft or even sealed would be very fun (especially with the difference in how the draft works for Commander). But the price is just... oof. Also, that "The three important people in her life: her mom, her cat, and her girlfriend" got me. And Kathleen's flavor text (that I know of) has been great :D). Edit: and the list of Slivers with "Rukarumel" in their flavor text: Dormant Sliver, Firewake Sliver (specifically the Commander Masters printing), Fungus Sliver, Hollowhead Sliver, Opaline sliver, Poultice Sliver, Reflex Sliver, Regal Sliver, Spiteful Sliver (specifically the Commander Masters printing), Synchronous Sliver, Two-headed Sliver.
@chaosmittens
@chaosmittens 10 месяцев назад
I read "Disrupt Dicorum" and new immediately it was Kathleen. Aspen Van Gnoot
@Caseyuptobat
@Caseyuptobat 10 месяцев назад
I just want to point out that with the majority of planeswalkers desparked, the eldrazi titans dead or imprisoned, New Phyrexia banished beyond time, and there being omenpaths between planes now: Slivers are the primary threat to the multiverse. I expect to see them in standard in the next few years here.
@zotha
@zotha 10 месяцев назад
The main thing the manabase for these precons was missing was a $30 pricetag......
@cassie5248
@cassie5248 10 месяцев назад
I also agree that you shouldn't label a deck that's not really an eldrazi deck "an eldrazi deck", but im not sure what would be a better thing to call a big mana colorless deck
@eduardoramirezjr1892
@eduardoramirezjr1892 10 месяцев назад
Gonna Make a Jaya proxy that just says "Ow My Bones!"- Jaya Ballard...Probably
@JulesLeoDirect
@JulesLeoDirect 10 месяцев назад
Yo Graham, those shoes are sick
@LRRMTG
@LRRMTG 10 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@Tweygoh
@Tweygoh 10 месяцев назад
Wheeler on the same page as the Prof in terms of sliver hive
@devinkerr5474
@devinkerr5474 10 месяцев назад
Seeing the Titans featured for modern masters 3 definitely shows off why the Eldrazi deck was so lacking of eldrazi
@ribbontoast
@ribbontoast 10 месяцев назад
I am one of those people who really want to draft this but cannot justify a $60 draft experience no matter how good it is.
@FARezDragon
@FARezDragon 10 месяцев назад
You know how mentioned characters can become legendaries? Here's hoping Aspen Van Gnoot's time will come.
@dtnextTgZ
@dtnextTgZ 10 месяцев назад
I got lucky i got my sliver hive for 3bucks years ago.... and I'm still gonna get the sliver commander deck...super excited for new slivers!!!
@warrioraidan
@warrioraidan 10 месяцев назад
We will probably see Sliver Hive in a Secret Lair in the future.
@Voyajer.
@Voyajer. 10 месяцев назад
And it'll be ugly, and/or paired with completely unplayable cards.
@FreddieFevens
@FreddieFevens 10 месяцев назад
Turn your gaze to the Sliver Hive that is a secret bonus card found occasionally in Secret Lairs. Currently selling for... $360CND.
@raonair
@raonair 10 месяцев назад
@@Voyajer. gotta stress the ugly part. So many secret lairs have such disappointing art.
@cassie5248
@cassie5248 10 месяцев назад
Sliver Hive just seems like a *weird* card to hold onto for reprint equity. It wasn't all that expensive before this deck shot it up (like 10-15, but within the upper range you might expect in a precon), and it's a hard card to reprint so by the time another chance comes around it might shoot up again anyway
@Kryptnyt
@Kryptnyt 10 месяцев назад
I hope that when we get an Aspen Von Gnoot card, she sacrifices Food tokens to make Updoot tokens
@hoagie9209
@hoagie9209 10 месяцев назад
should i buy commander masters or pay my rent
@huckthatdish
@huckthatdish 10 месяцев назад
Oh wow where did you get find a place with commander masters that cheap?
@pizzad1005
@pizzad1005 10 месяцев назад
commander masters. if you pull 50 doubling seasons you'll make back your money
@laneyarcade
@laneyarcade 10 месяцев назад
😂
@zanebarber8688
@zanebarber8688 10 месяцев назад
Well, rent is not really necessary right?
@trizkit995
@trizkit995 10 месяцев назад
No the real question is should I buy commander masters or pay my rent and buy a printer at Costco and print all of magic for less then a set of decks and a set booster box.
@ka_tan6203
@ka_tan6203 10 месяцев назад
The truly annoying thing about the Sliver Hive exclusion is that before the full decklists were released, it was like $7. The scarcity was manufactured, and now it's $50
@BearHandsHero
@BearHandsHero 10 месяцев назад
On the topic of Sliver Hive not being reprinted, Wheeler mentioned the idea of it being in a future set and WotC wanting to retain value there, but what struck me was what if it's in a planned upcoming Secret Lair they haven't announced yet? I feel like that would make a reprint in this set less appealing to them because potentially more people would buy the secret lair to add it into the precon. Just some loose thoughts, love the episode!
@TheTramil
@TheTramil 10 месяцев назад
Yeeeeeaaaahhh.... 5$ on a sliver secret lair in the next year. With the hive.
@somenerdDavid
@somenerdDavid 10 месяцев назад
I was thinking the same. Or, they are indeed bringing slivers back in a set. But secret lair is more likely imo.
@GallantLee
@GallantLee 10 месяцев назад
Wheeler’s take is spot on. This is a game, and cards should be as cheap as possible.
@retro.7673
@retro.7673 10 месяцев назад
400$ is a ps5 digital. Or a series S + a draft box. Or even 400 bags of lifesavers. Or in my case. 400$ of cardboard and dopamine
@Halinn
@Halinn 10 месяцев назад
I would have thought they'd bring up the full art Generous Gift flavor text
@voltcorp
@voltcorp 10 месяцев назад
that's probably why she said she didn't want to bring up cards she wasn't sure were her work
@ahrenstarr6273
@ahrenstarr6273 10 месяцев назад
17:40 Secret Lair Slivers Coming in 3... 2... 1...
@somenerdDavid
@somenerdDavid 10 месяцев назад
Speaking of ditching the bird app, Is there an LRR Mastadon instance?
@LRRMTG
@LRRMTG 10 месяцев назад
Most of us (including LRR official and LRRMTG) are on Kind.social (also run by a LRR fan, with lots of LRR fans on it)
@pintlemounted
@pintlemounted 10 месяцев назад
27:34 I think it's just people close to her who have died or lost their spark?
@Skyfysh
@Skyfysh 10 месяцев назад
Just about every colourless Eldrazi should have been in the Eldrazi Unbound precon. As the deck is, they falsely advertised it to generate hype.
@mattybbg6850
@mattybbg6850 10 месяцев назад
Aspen, war correspondent needs to be a card.
@raonair
@raonair 10 месяцев назад
Will this set drive down prices? Since most people won't buy sealed product because they're priced out and/or out of anger at WotC's way to manage things recently?
@ToxicAtom
@ToxicAtom 10 месяцев назад
A lot of what drives down prices is not players who buy a few packs, or maybe a box or two. It's sellers who buy cases specifically to sell either at their physical storefront or on sites like TCGplayer.
@raonair
@raonair 10 месяцев назад
@@ToxicAtom Still think it may not drive things down, if the sealed product is too expensive for them too
@ToxicAtom
@ToxicAtom 10 месяцев назад
@@raonair Possibly, although that hasn't stopped things before. I think the prices will go down significantly for a few months, then steadily climb higher than they were before this set (except in outstanding cases like P3K reprints.)
@raonair
@raonair 10 месяцев назад
@@ToxicAtom that's a fair assumption
@Eramiserasmus
@Eramiserasmus 10 месяцев назад
Love the reprints but the price of the set is sadly outside my ability to spare. Which is sad because I'm my group's biggest Commander advocate and making sure we have reasonable access to the staples. Going to be sas that I cant attend either events or buy a box.
@ondrejbronec837
@ondrejbronec837 10 месяцев назад
To be fair I really want Eldrazi Unbound to be an Eldrazi deck, but even my ideal target version of it has only 13 Eldrazi. Most of the colorless Eldrazi just are quite filler. Doesn’t really make sense to put a coat of arms and other support in to give Kozilek +1/+1. Pretty sure that for Eldrazi Typal deck you need to add some colors and build it around some Scion or Spawn generation.
@jeffreyjohnson3687
@jeffreyjohnson3687 10 месяцев назад
I appreciate the hosts criticizing the "reprint equity" system, but I think we all need to say what it is. Wheeler's right that it's "saving value for future products", but stops just short of finishing the sentence with "by removing value from the current product."
@johanandersson8252
@johanandersson8252 10 месяцев назад
Could Darksteel Monolith work with casting Morph creatures.
@UmULW
@UmULW 10 месяцев назад
It's should seeing that mystic forge works with morphs the same way.
@APaganPerspective
@APaganPerspective 10 месяцев назад
hey when do we get a tour of the new moonbase
@bondeulv
@bondeulv 10 месяцев назад
There was kind of a tour in the LoadingReadyLive 😁
@ribbontoast
@ribbontoast 10 месяцев назад
did kathleen write the loyal retainers flavor text? because that's very kathleen
@Oopsall
@Oopsall 10 месяцев назад
Prrrrroxieeeeees! Whoooo!
@amatsu_literature9998
@amatsu_literature9998 10 месяцев назад
Dang, the likes almost matched the episode count 😢
@pytawidmo
@pytawidmo 10 месяцев назад
Can we just have Wheeler in charge of MtG? Loves the game, knows it well, is reasonable about it, what else would you need. ;)
@Mordalon
@Mordalon 10 месяцев назад
depends on what you mean by "in charge of magic", because that sounds like the qualities of Maro and Gavin, except they are aren't in charge of the finances of the game.
@like17badgers
@like17badgers 10 месяцев назад
these new precons on paper dont look... good. I dont need every precon to be the Atraxa "sleeve this up and you can hang with your cEDH friends" power, but you compare these lists to the 40k, the LotR, or even just the MoM/BRO/DU precons and they're simply no where near as interesting. I think a big problem is they dont have enough new stuff. WotC has decided they dont want to just fill precons to the brim with high quality reprints and dunk the aftermarket, which fair enough(lets avoid shops cracking product to sell singles instead... again) but they also aren't printing enough new cards to to give it that spice. and with just how high these precons were retailing for, they REALLY should be a LOT spicier.
@zanebarber8688
@zanebarber8688 10 месяцев назад
First comment? Yay now I’ve made more of a meaningless impact on earth!
@themaddhadder4826
@themaddhadder4826 10 месяцев назад
Engagement
@dragonic13
@dragonic13 10 месяцев назад
Congrats on beating cancer Graham!! At least I hope you’re done with it
@lycanthrope182
@lycanthrope182 10 месяцев назад
A little disappointed that you seemed to dodge mentioning anything about the costs until the last minute, where all you had to say was "I wish it was cheaper because right now it prices out a bunch of people"
@nfortin24
@nfortin24 10 месяцев назад
The prices make the product worthless IMO.. But people will support it and WOTC will keep doing it..
@JonesJymbo
@JonesJymbo 10 месяцев назад
Prohibitively expensive. WOTC had an obvious disdain for any players who make less than 150k a year.
@mikephillips1043
@mikephillips1043 10 месяцев назад
I make literally the lowest amout possible from disability do to a major back injury and I play just fine. Buy singles, buy over time, and dont build high power decks unless you are slowly building it. I have multiple $500^ decks and have 0 issue playing friends or at locals.
@Mordalon
@Mordalon 10 месяцев назад
Except there are products for players who want to play cheaply. It's super backwards and bizarre when people attribute irrational emotions to companies like this.
@highfivefromryan
@highfivefromryan 10 месяцев назад
​@@mikephillips1043 per the SGA, that's $1,350/month - do you just not have bills to pay, nor have to buy food? Because I know if I made the absolute minimum as you claim, I wouldn't be "bragging" about having multiple $500 decks and shaming others who don't.
@mikephillips1043
@mikephillips1043 10 месяцев назад
@@highfivefromryan buddy I wish it was that much social security calculates based on how much you paid in over your working life and I became fully disabled at 25. But just to do math for you if you spent $20 a month on cards (which people pay in 2 fast food trips) in 2yrs thats a $500 deck. I dont waste money on fast food/coffee/pizza, I dont buy packs, I dont buy random cards I expect to ever leave my deck, if a card does leave my deck I sell it to pay for the other cards, and I dont have 21 commander decks like an asshole I have a couple to rotate and if that gets boring I can build over a year or sell my old cards for new. It's called being a responsible adult. You dont need the new meta card everytime a set is released and if the shit is too expensive play fucking budget...
@froggysparkles8590
@froggysparkles8590 10 месяцев назад
This set is some greedy frog boiling in the pot shit by hasbro everyone should be upset and afraid.
@Mordalon
@Mordalon 10 месяцев назад
People act like masters sets are for the average magic player.
@froggysparkles8590
@froggysparkles8590 10 месяцев назад
@@Mordalon Yes yes defend that company, lick those boots! WOOO! Hasbro sees you dude and they are so thankful.
@ToxicAtom
@ToxicAtom 10 месяцев назад
@@froggysparkles8590 Mocking people is a very effective strategy to get people to agree with you I've heard.
@froggysparkles8590
@froggysparkles8590 10 месяцев назад
@@ToxicAtom You think I want to make people agree with me?!
@ToxicAtom
@ToxicAtom 10 месяцев назад
@@froggysparkles8590 I mean, saying "This set feels really greedy," getting contested on it, and responding with mockery because they don't agree with you certainly sends a message that can be _interpeted_ as you wanting people to agree with you.
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