Comment Responses: Is Super Mario Brothers A Surrealist Masterpiece?

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@Angutut 7 лет назад

I like how he doesn't even try to pronounce my name

@glass-africa 7 лет назад

Can't say that I blame him. Your name is impossible to pronounce to people from different cultures, get over it

@MojoMicah 7 лет назад

Angutitsiaq Hansen I thought those were just random letters...

@MAlanThomasII 7 лет назад

Something like Ang-ut'tsi-ya (with a glottal stop between the "t"s), yes? (I'm definitely unsure about the first syllable break.)

@Angutut 7 лет назад

M. Alan Thomas II sounds about right

@mrneosporin4309 7 лет назад

Wait it's gonna end NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

@JoshuaHillerup 7 лет назад

I'm sad there won't be an Idea Channel asking if we've moved past postmodernism, or what that even means.

@Kagemusha08 7 лет назад

Sadly we haven't. At least not all of us, though I wish they'd hurry up...

@QwertyuiopThePie 7 лет назад

Postpostmodernism?

@videopsybeam7220 7 лет назад

True, though I'd like to think they've prepared you to ask that question yourself.

@babelKONI 7 лет назад

m'DEHRnidee

@Booksds 7 лет назад

J Meeseeks (tips f'dora)

@babelKONI 7 лет назад

full circle

@ianlees7522 7 лет назад

Completely ouroborian

@TheK3vin 7 лет назад

Campbellian, even

@JamesDenholm 7 лет назад

Wedding-ring-esque.

@Drephin 7 лет назад

Abzu is poetry in motion.

@MAlanThomasII 7 лет назад

"I can't say whether or not these are accurate, but they are convincing and entertaining." -a good description of Idea Channel

@daltongrowley5280 7 лет назад

I keep having to remind myself that even though Idea channel is ending it isn't like Mike and the others are going to die or something. Everytime I am confronted with the thought of an end to the channel I'm filled with grief not unlike when a great thinker passes.

@LimeLimpidGreen 7 лет назад

That was the first time I was in a comment response video! I am unreasonably proud, and will miss this channel dearly.

@dsifriend 7 лет назад

I didn't realize the last three episodes were going to be different somehow. Interesting.

@kayleighc3159 7 лет назад

dsifriend now im wondering what theyre gonna be........ there probably wont be comment responses? i forget if he said

@ChrisdeCastro 7 лет назад

Passage was one of the first games I could recognize as a poem. Its brief and simple yet encapsulates the entire passage of a lifetime. I cried.

@josesalinas1950 7 лет назад

Look up Super Bonk if you want a semi-realism retro game

@orngjce223 7 лет назад

In re the bit you pointed out about Japan rushing straight past modernity into postmodernity, I'd like to propose that the videogame Mother 3 is an expression of what it felt like to live inside that change. It also has surrealist elements, as, indeed, the Mother series has in general.

@RhizometricReality 7 лет назад

Dark souls is an existential poem about copeing with disparity

@kikedt8335 7 лет назад

Really, Thank you very much for the show, I hope you success in your future projects. I started following this channel for a touhou related chapter (Can bullet hell games be meditative?), but it really got me how was the show. The Idea and responses to comments videos. It was a good experience to get a lot of differents points of view about an Idea. Again Thank you very Much!!! Good Luck

@debbydoodler33 7 лет назад

I hadn't really thought of video games as poetry until I played The Whispered World by Daedalic with the commentary on. It was clear to me that they were very intentional about using poetic concepts in their storytelling, both textually and visually. A video game is poetic, to me, when the form and content complement and enhance one another; the work seems to take on a sense of wholeness. Edna and Harvey: The Breakout (also by Daedalic) did this strongly for me. Primordia by Wormwood Studios also did this well, I think. I have others on my list to play that I chose based on my perception of how the games accomplished this harmony.

@iwontliveinfear 7 лет назад

Entwined is a game I consider visual poetry. The game is best played on a console with twin analog thumb-sticks, you control a bird and a fish that are in love and trying to become one. To achieve this you must collect objects by moving the two characters rhythmically and avoid barriers via simultaneous asynchronous movements. The game is very music oriented, giving you musical queues and responses as you do well. Each stage culminates in the fish and bird becoming one, and ascending to become a dragon. You then, as the dragon paint the sky with rainbows before bliss ends, the two split and the next stage begins.

@styrbjornlindberg9105 7 лет назад

If a game could be considered poetry, then i would certainly give games like journey and sword and swourcery (yes its spelled correctly) the stamp of poetry. But then the question comes to mind; what is What remains of Edith Finch? I'd like to call that game prose in the style of Virginia Woolfe's the Waves, given a playable texture. And then you'll find yourself wondering if Spec ops: The line is a greek tragedy. It feels like the medium should be more important than that. But what do i know? Maybe some types of art trancends the medium (or media) they are portrayed in? Wagner talked about having the Opera being a "Gesamtheitskunstverk", a "whole work of art", encompassing all types of media (known to him).

@shanegrayson7068 7 лет назад

Man, loved this channel and sad to see it go. Will we get to see you in any other media? Well, best of luck to whatever you are moving on to!

@ZakDraper 7 лет назад

Ouroborosian. Also, Stellar Smooch is a fun little mobile game that is overtly poetic. I mean, you literally unlock lines of a poem with each level/puzzle.

@kayleighc3159 7 лет назад

about the video game/ poem thing: honestly games like Stardew Valley and Diary of a Spaceport Janitor make me think about my life differently. the repetitive days and the kinda boring grind u have to be on is one thing, but the fact that the "day" in Spaceport was so short definitely made me consider the pace of life. the contrast between the mundane grind and the mystical elements also grasps something about the human experience

@w2wcookie 7 лет назад

This is an interesting line of thinking. Well-spoken send off. Thank you for the hours of entertainment that went a little beyond popcorn fodder. On to bigger and better things.

@karlputz6721 7 лет назад

After watching Philosophy Tube, I think the power of your channel can be summarize in "What do you think?" but the delivery has to be genuine... It's all in the genuine...

@bookfan1239 7 лет назад

I can't believe this is going to end soon. It'll feel so empty... ...

@kappaross6124 7 лет назад

We'll hurt, but we'll get through it together. One of the most impressive qualities of life is that it keeps going on.

@avery-quinnmaddox5985 7 лет назад

Communism is not fascism. Stalin created an authoritarian, fascist state, but communism in and of itself is not a fascist or authoritarian concept, and neither is socialism. Stalin cared as much about communism and socialism as America cares about democracy, i.e., only to the degree that these things produced the results he wanted. He was not a true communist or a true socialist just as America is not a true democracy but an oligarchy.

@ejisonfire3197 7 лет назад

"Hey Marx, I know you said to abolish state and market, but we combined them. Hope that's good enough" - Stalin (probably)

@Kagemusha08 7 лет назад

True communism will always be authoritarian and fascist by extension. How else can you enforce equally distributing wealth, property etc. if not through force? There's a reason why every single country that embraces communism has turned into an oppressive, murderous regime despite having radically diffrent cultures: because the idea is rotten to it's very core and is profoundly anti-individual. If Marx saw what his ideas caused in the 20th century I think he'd want to kill himself.

@kappaross6124 7 лет назад

Kagemusha08 in theory, Communism would have a violent start but ultimately become peaceful. Marx wanted Communism to be enforced by human nature, not force. Communism is a great thing in theory, just not in practice. If we could pull it off correctly, maybe it'd turn out alright, but humanity has yet to actually attain true communism. It's very possible that it is, in fact, impossible to get to that point. Point is, there is not actually anything inherently violent about communism's endgame in theory, only in practice.

@MogofWar 7 лет назад

Avery-Quinn Maddox Communism may be antithetical to fascism but only a fascist state can possibly implement or enforce it... Call it Stalin's Paradox if you will.

@Fede_uyz 7 лет назад

well, take the venezuelean example of socialism.. oh wait, they're ALSO starving to death and they do not have gulags...

@whittierstrong1312 7 лет назад

I say "ouroborotic" though I'm not sure that's the word, either.

@jasperderijk5855 6 лет назад

I hope one day I might say my wedding was "pretty fun" 😂

@MaraK_dialmformara 7 лет назад

Abzu is also poetry, but that might be redundant because it was made by some of the same people as Journey and Flower. RiME is also a poem, but a longer and possibly epic one.

@JoshuaHillerup 7 лет назад

It's a tabletop RPG rather than a videogame, but the second edition of Nobilis was certainly poetry.

@ThePaperFlowers 7 лет назад

Didn't realize how early I got here till the end of the video. Congrats on your marriage

@robertzarfas9556 7 лет назад

Today I die is a game that I would definitely classify as interactive poetry.

@forsetigodofjusticeexcelle7506 7 лет назад

So I just realized why you always look so familiar to me. You are:- Mike from Vsauce + Murr from impractical jokers

@DStrormer 7 лет назад

What if Mario only has surrealist elements, but then Mario Maker transformed it into a shared surrealist environment through the insertion of humanity as a collective of thought and the creation/disproportion dichotomy?

@benjaminbrady2385 7 лет назад

When Idea Channel ends, will there be anything like it on a different channel or is this Mike stopping completely?

@scentfedcreatures 7 лет назад

My experience of Kentucky Route Zero was that it was overwhelmingly poetic (in a good way)

@DoodleDabble 7 лет назад

Is a video game poetry? Most straightforward way to answer it: what is poetry? What constitutes it? And can those be carried over to video games? I propose that a visual medium can parallel poetry, using its visuals and narrative in the same way a poem uses its word choice. In modern poetry, rules have less of a reign over the syntax, but devices such as alliteration, assonance, and onomonopia. Visual mediums have their own devices, often ones that portray art in ways words cannot. The first to come to mind is Rebecca Sugar's "Singles", the first 10 minutes of "Up", or "Dog of Wisdom", which is already considered by some to be a surrealist masterpiece. Poets purposefully choose their words for the rhythm of their piece, so why can't a visual piece of art be poet*ic* at the very least? What other things have been considered poetry? The first thing to come to my mind is the correlation between Japanese visual presentation and poetry. In Miyazaki's movies, for example, there is a moment of silence in both the audio and the narrative, usually where you just take in the scene and let the events of the movie sink in. In Japanese poetry, there is a literary device which uses a syllable character as a beat between two stanzas, for the same reason Miyazaki uses it. Could Miyazaki's work be considered poetry?

@chuckboris9199 7 лет назад

Hey micheal can you give us, a list of 15 books that you think are essential to read? They would ad up in time for like 2 years of content, ore something, and give us something to do when we don't want to watch the old idear channels epidsodes for the fith time?

@WarmongerGandhi 7 лет назад

I don't have any other examples of poetic video games, but I think there's a good argument that Final Fantasy 6 is an operatic video game. And Kentucky Route Zero is a Theater of the Absurd video game (Adventure Game of the Absurd?).

@SuperMegaPeanut 7 лет назад

The description of "a fully surrealist Mario world" @ 6:50 is not too far from the cult SNES classic Super Bonk, tbh. NOTHING in that game makes sense, visually or mechanically.

@AndreMalkine 7 лет назад

The missing photorealism and presence of logic could both be chalked up to the video game medium. Realism in games has always been relative to the technology, and gamers appreciate this. At the time the original was released, these were some of the most "detailed" graphics you could see on an 8-bit system due to very clever art and asset work. Since then the series has embraced a very cartoony aesthetic, but I think that has more to do with marketing and the need to keep Mario & friends recognizable once technology did move beyond those limitations. I also believe that having "logic" aka systems aka gameplay is intrinsic to what makes a game a game. You can't have gameplay without systems. If you accept that, you can see how the systems themselves are pretty crazy.

@johnie102 7 лет назад

In response to Journey and Flower being poetry: to me Dunkirk (the new Nolan movie) felt like a doom metal album (in a good way).

@lildwarflikes6386 7 лет назад

journey was definitely poetry

@bryna7 7 лет назад

My fave game. Of all time.

@TheHomerion 7 лет назад

Dwarf Fortress is an epic poem, of biblical proportions (it's humorous because DF reads like genesis) I'm really interested in what people think is the leaves of grass of video games

@samachell 7 лет назад

Thank you so much for this channel it just doesn't put a foot wrong, sad to see it going. Comparing specifically non-text-based games like Journey and Flower to poems is interesting to me... but if we try to use poems as a model for other mediums that aren't text, surely it kinda applies to everything? It's such a broad comparison. Like... a poem that doesn't use text, is just music? Is it not? A song (I suppose a piece, not a song, if we are removing text) could abide by the same structure as a poem, as could a video/film, and a game could too. Levels in a game could structurally be close to verses/stanzas I suppose. The use of the term "poem" has become more like a basic way of talking about language/text that is more experimental/less concerned with narrative than other forms of writing... I guess some games could be seen this way, as the "poem" of video games. What I think is interesting with comparisons like this, however, is the time-based nature of text as a medium. Text has a beginning and an end, and requires time to consume... like music... like videos/films. But it seems to me that games exist in a space separate from this. Games have beginnings and ends, sure, but if left on their own, they can remain in an "on" state, theoretically forever. Games kinda exist outside of time I think. Open world games don't require player input, the world will continue to exist in some way. Paintings/sculptures/installations seem more of an apt comparison to me. Although I guess games are kinda a combination of everything up till now - the ultimate medium. But either way, I also wanted to say that your video about hotel rooms - are all hotel rooms the same place? - inspired me greatly. I ended up using it, and Joanna Walsh's Hotel book that you cite, for the basis of an installation I made. I'll put a little link in a second comment so this doesn't get flagged.

@samachell 7 лет назад

www.browniecove.com/ghuest

@KKenzieVideo 7 лет назад

Looking at peoples reactions to the New Donk City portion of the upcoming game Mario Odyssey I think that section of a Mario game at least is photorealistic enough to be more surrealist. The normal human models and city disrupted with a hat spaceship and Mario's not quite human prescence while he possesses people with his hat and collects weird giant coins.

@SUPERHURLEY123 7 лет назад

so i think that takeing into consideration the idea that a logic based game isn't really that surrealist i thought maybe Unfair Mario is a good option for what a compleatly surrealist videogame could feel like. here's the link if you've never played it. playunfairmario.net/

@MK.5198 7 лет назад

ouroborial?

@gigglysamentz2021 7 лет назад

The last two are great X'D

@bnerd1 7 лет назад

the final countdown

@brockmckelvey7327 7 лет назад

Closure

@Lexyvil 7 лет назад

Love your content!

@p3rsi4n1 7 лет назад

Will your videos still be here after you post the last one? I want to show them to my kids, once i have kids that is, first i'll need to get married...probably before that work on finding a gf... let's say 10 more years, will they still be here in 10 years?

@Masquerola 7 лет назад

already a nostalgic soundtrack... soundcloud.com/masquerola/idea-channel

@ThatOneGuy7550 7 лет назад

Do a video on how the Emoji Movie will spell the end of the world for the film industry.

@DeedeeDirt 7 лет назад

congrats on the marriage!

@DancingTiger 7 лет назад

That was the last video

@NighteeeeeY 7 лет назад

+12db please.

@mikeRoweSoftLee 7 лет назад

is this really it?

@daltongrowley5280 7 лет назад

'Braid' feels like poetry ....pretentious feeling, makes me think strange things, vaguely unsatisfying, and hard to understand but fun. saying that video games are like poetry to me is like unto saying that a cinematic masterpiece is like a painting. they both contain pleasing or disturbing images and try to inform through a visual medium, but to me its still apples to oranges. Speaking of video games I just picked up Pyre from the guys that made Bastion and Transistor. Amazing games with just utterly jaw dropping musical scores. cant recommend any of them highly enough. If you don't play them then you oughta give the soundtracks a listen if nothing else....unless you don't like awesome good music that is.

@darkjannn 7 лет назад

Someone create me an uncanny version of Mario Bros. please.

@notamirror 7 лет назад

I hope that you will take a real rest. I've been watching all of the old episodes from the beginning (I think I have about a hundred left to go) and it seems like this must have been a very consuming work for you. I hope you will take some time away from books and media and the internet and just be. I feel like I would want to go on a silent retreat for a month in a great big forest before making any other plans. Please give yourself the chance to recharge.

@CFSlayer23Studios50423 7 лет назад

Why are you ending he channel

@adamarchy 7 лет назад

Whoa. Ah man... To whomever made the coment about fascism being linked directly to symbolism and aesthetics: watch the early episodes of Kill La Kill. They make a pretty good joke of precisely that argument, vis a vis fashion

@jimlockeyarchive3198 7 лет назад

Mario isn't a futurist, don't get that at all. Futurisms obsession with cars bikes and machines, its avarice... not like mario... but maybe a little like wario!