Commenters Don't Understand Exodia 

There is a 1 in 658,008 that I'll draw all pieces of Exodia in the opening hand and win a game, if a tournament has 8 games for me to win, there is a 1 in 3.5143854e+46 chance of wining the tournament by drawing Exodia in every game. Chances of me winning a tournament without Exodia? zero. 1 in 3.5143854e+46 chance is still better than zero.

You can't yell "obliterate" with any other card. Your argument is invalid.

*Exodia the limited one

ZONE EATER'S BROKEN

Now I can fully understand Kaiba's reaction when he lost to Exodia.

Obviously the left leg alone is too op

What you should do for "commenters don't understand ______" videos is just play ygopro over the commentary using the decks they mention and let them watch it get rolled over by better decks.

I dont know why anyone is suprised exodia isnt good, nobody has ever summoned HIM

The worst part about yugioh is that majority of people learned how to play the game from the anime but never actually learned the real rules. It’s kind of like how kids learned Pokemon tcg. Majority of them didn’t.

Even in the anime the ONE time it was used was the first time anyone ever pulled it off tho??? Like it wasn't even a legitimate strategy in the anime lmao

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Not gonna lie, I misread the name and thought it was “Commentators Don’t Understand Exodia” and I was excited to see you railing on tournament refs about them not actually knowing the game but this was good too

Zone Eater is BROKEN I play 3 copies and I always OTK my opponent on that 5th turn. All i do is play 3 copies of swords of reveling light to stall and twin twisters to pop their back row. Not to brag but my strategy is IMPOSSIBLE to counter, I beat my little brother who still puts extra deck monsters in his main deck. This proves just how good zone eater is, don't @ me nerds.

For the MTG or Hearthstone players, just note that when he said the bigger monster always wins, its because stats work differently. Each monster cards has two stats: Atk and Def, and which stat you use is determined by which mode the card is in. For this example let's just use the Atk stat. If a monster with 500 attacks another one that has 1000, the one with 500 dies. 1000 will remain 1000, it will not decrease. There is no health, either a monster is dead or alive. So monsters with lower stats are basically worthless. In games like Magic or Hearthstone the weaker cards has a smaller cost to summon and you can summon as many as you wish long as you have both resources and cards to do it with, whereas in Yu-gi-oh you can only summon one monster a turn outside of special effects like spell cards. hoping that explained it better

9:42 As someone who plays both Yugioh and Magic very casually, I gotta say, there's a better way to explain this to MtG players. Monsters in Yugioh attack individually, and damage is NOT residual, as it is in many other card games. So smaller monsters can't take out larger ones, because they attack individually, and the larger monster won't "remember the damage," so to speak, between one battle and another.

To clarify the point to MtG and Hearthstone players: look at the numbers at the bottom of monster cards. See that number for "Defense"? That is not the creature's health, like it is in MtG or Hearthstone. That's the monster's ability to resist attacks, and only when the monster is in defense mode. There IS no health, as far as the monsters themselves are concerned. It is either on the board, or it isn't. Destroying cards in battle comes down exclusively to an attacking monster having a higher attack than the attack or defense (depending on the mode) of the monster on the receiving end. Unless you have a stronger monster or some removal, the opponent's monster is staying on the board. No amount of trash mobs are going to clear a Blue Eyes White Dragon or whatever in a straight up fight. Meaning those five pieces of Exodia stuffed into a deck not built for them are just using up space in the deck that could alternatively be used to facilitate the deck's _actual_ win condition.

Do "Commenters don't understand Tune Warrior" next pls Dzeeff

Even in MTG, playing the hypotetical equivalent of Exodia pieces as one-offs in random decks would just result in you getting bricks in your hand 99% of the time

A guy complained about me using a magician girl deck and I didn’t know how to feel about it

This is what happens when someone’s nostalgia gets challenged.

I saw a legit first turn exodia, his opponent cut his deck and he just accepted it and shook hands, GG. it was the match sitting next to me at a tourney back in 05-06

I love how even people who play Yu-Gi-Oh don't know how to play Yu-Gi-Oh

Playing Exodia is like flipping a coin instead of dueling. If luck is with you, you can totally dominate a small tournament. But you can NEVER consistently win larger tournaments. Your luck WILL run out.

Doug seems like the kind of dude that if you cut him off in traffic he'd go home and make a half hour vlog about it

Don't worry, with my loot boxes and mom's credit card I'll draw exodia every time.

Dzeeff, obliterate (those comments)!

THE CYCLE IS COMPLETED ONCE AGAIN

But Dzeef, I use Swords of Revealing Ligh with heart of the underdog, so I brick super hard and then I can insta win. I always beat my friends in the schoolyard, so Exodia is totally viable.

_"Lol you are so wrong. Exodia won this really small local tournament only once. That totally means it's just as good as the decks that win hundreds of locals, regionals and wold championships again and again!"_ - A Moron

Not an Exodia channel

Hey Dzeff, I was wondering if you could do a video on activation timings at some point? There are many times I get confused when trying to activate a card but I "miss the timing." I understand that there are steps such as declaring battle, the battle step, damage step, etc. but it's hard to know when a card can/should be activated unless it explicitly states it must be activated during whatever step. Really appreciate your vids man, they help out intermediate players like myself who border the casual/competitive sides of this game

I remeber last year during full power spyral format im at a regional here in MA and im at one end of the room during round 2 and a few tables down theres a match between spyral and exodia the round just started and spyral player has the absolute nuts and ends with the best board at the time(we didnt have trigate yet) and right as he finished his opponent drew the last exodia piece for turn, everyone freaked out cause it was some young kid that drew exodia for turn so the spyral player just went home immediately after that. it was wild

I didn't understand how you could get the life point difference to 8000, until you explained the chicken game/ pseudo space combo, I didn't know what chicken game did, and I agree life equalizer + magical explosion does look like a more consistent strategy than exodia

Commenters don't understand Judge Man

'Why nobody plays Mokey Mokey'

Also worth mentioning that (unlike Hearthstone and Magic) you can only set or normal summon one monster per turn. You can't just set a bunch of weak monsters to block a few attacks. So setting an Exodia piece is almost never worth it unless you're desperate for monsters and have nothing better, which is a situation you never want to be in the first place.

You obviously haven't considered the Little D combo

>Go to a Dzeeff video discussing the competitive viability of an iconic card(s). >Go to comments. >Newest first.

12 minutes of not believing in the heart of your cards, smdh.

I do love Magical Mallet in my Exodia decks, sometimes when I end up shuffling Exodia pieces into the deck, I get a lot of draw power and it tends to turn out well

There was an igknight strategy I saw once that used the heart of the under dog strat. Popping the igknight and pendulum summoning them to make first of the dragons and then stall. That was before links now I'm sure you could beef up that strat a bit. Probly not anything special just a cool idea.

Checkmate Dzeef, I just went 29-1 against my friend by painting my heart of the underdogs to be like normal monsters, and starting with one in my hand using my super-special duelist skill. It's not really that complicated.

Bro zone eater is an alternate win condition. Smh, underrated asf.

this is a great video, havent played yu-gi-oh in years but i still knew the topic and understood what you were saying about the meta. Such a recognizable card, and explaining how large/competitive different tournaments are. As a magic player, its really cool to see how weak exosia is to certain variables and different interaction like hand attack etc

Why does every fanbase have these people that are like: "This thing won a tournament once! That means it's good and 100% meta and viable!"

Commenters don't understand Exodia?!? Impossible!!!

It still surprises me that Zone Eater won me a lot of games back in school because it was the of of the only outs that anyone had to Blue-Eyes Ultimate (Man-Eater Bug was the other)

Just run 3 copies of each part, 3 pot of greeds, 3 graceful charities bruh, so easy bruh, I win erry’time bruh, idiot!... bruh.

Ok, so, Pot of greed says draw two cards... but from where? I have still some cards left in my yugioh starter deck, i draw them from there? I'm confused

I can't wait for the "commenters don't understand commenting" which is just pointing out all around illogical arguments or bad grammar.....

This is the best series on your channel imo, can't wait to see more

Nice video, just one question: What does Pot of Greed do?

So I just want to comment for those who have played MTG having played quite a bit of both games, though YGO only really in the video games. I think the idea that MTG players, at least in that comment, are trying to get across is that you don't have to devote your deck entirely to a given strategy. Just play the 5 cards, if your draw them you get a free win and if you don't then you just need something to do with the bricks. This can work, but isnt often a viable strategy, in MTG and when it does it is quite powerful. Basically you run your usual Plan A and often Plan B but also include a Sub Plan A, something you are not trying to do but can use if you draw into it simply as a matter of course. This usually includes splashing for some 2-3 card combo or some powerful engine piece or haymaker. The idea is that you sacrifice some amount of consistency for a greater amount of power. Two things I can see that are problematic for this approach in YGO, though you still sometimes see this applied. The first is that YGO has 40 cards as opposed to 60. 5 cards would be a lot for a 60 card deck but doable if the pay off is really "I win the game". 5 out 40 though is a whole different story. you would need a 35 card deck that was so consistent and powerful that it could afford to run 1/8 of its deck as blanks and not care as well as actually be weak enough and inconsistent enough to care about Exodia. Basically the idea is that once you reach that level of consistency and power, why not just go all in on your plan A? do you even need a plan B? if you do you probably run it out of your board. why bother running this alternate wincon at all? The second is that MTG is all about attacking from many angles so adding an additional angle that is really powerful has huge upsides that out weigh much of the risk. YGO is mostly just variations on combo decks. They want one focused line of attack and as many ways to protect what they are doing and disrupt what you are doing. What this comes down to is that a brick in MTG is far less harmful than a brick is in YGO. In YGO you want every card to do at least something. In MTG you want your cards to either always do something or do something so powerful that it makes up for when it does nothing. The reasons for this are many and complex but a simplified explanation would be something like this. MTG is a longer game, with larger deck size, more variance(as in randomness) in general, and more cards drawn on average. In MTG bricks are only truly potentially game ending when your in top deck mode. In YGO every brick could be a death sentence. All these factors and more make simply adding Exodia to a deck, even a deck that can discard or make use of bricks, far more costly in YGO than MTG and generally not a good idea.

I only have one question: What is a Yu-Gi-Oh?

10:19 Dzeef did forget to mention that there are cards you can play that boost the attack of one monster you control by the attack of another, but usually, the monster who’s giving the attack points cannot attack that turn, and the boost in power only lasts that turn. Just saying it now, for all those Hearthstone and MTG players who are curious. 11:15 Dzeef is correct here. As of the time I’m posting this comment, the pieces of Exodia are limited to one copy per deck in the TCG. Exodia is simply named “the Forbidden One” more so from his lore than his actual ability to be played. Also, the consistency of an Exodia FTK can easily be explained with math. I’ll be going over the best case scenario, meaning the use of a 40 card deck, and I’m just considering getting all 5 pieces in hand to start the duel, just to make the math easier. Drawing one piece as the first card in hand is a 1/40 chance, then another piece as card 2 is a 1/39 chance, and these chances keep going, up to and including 1/36 for the 5th card. These processes are independent of each other, given that only one copy of each piece can be used in a deck, so the chances multiply. 1/(40*39*38*37*36) =1/78,960,960 Or 1.2664486*10^-7. You are over 260 times more likely to be struck by lightning than getting an Exodia FTK. Considering consistent championship winning strategies need a higher probability than 1 in 2, you are most likely not gonna even win qualifiers trying to use Exodia’s win condition.

Even if its not something any of us want to hear, I always appreciate these "Why No One Plays" videos. I mean come on, no one WANTS Exodia to be a casual strategy, but it just happens to be that way. Thanks for always going into detail 👍

You just need to believe in the heart of the cards.

The only thing I don’t understand is why this is played over Final Countdown. You may not draw the Exodia pieces. Final Countdown GUARANTEES victory after 20 turns. The answer is clear to me.

Hey so since heart of the underdog only works with normal monsters and cyber harpy lady is an effect monster always treated as a normal harpy lady does that mean you can draw another card or no?

I play FF TCG but have played Yu-Gi-Oh in the past and wanted to let you know that your vids are great. Really enjoy the flow of your videos!

I think another reason MTG players might think exodia is more viable as an "oops I win" thing to toss in a random deck is they have much more viable total control decks that can just sit around and just try to stop your opponent from doing anything, and realistically just go through their entire deck. I'm under the impression that's not really a thing in yugioh? Like before the latest MTG rotation a bunch of people were pretty upset that Teferi, a powerful control tool, incidentally had the ability to put itself 3-from-the top of your own deck, which sounds like an incredibly useless/slow ability until you understand that people were able to build control decks whose entire win condition was to prevent you from doing anything, and then infinitely shuffle Teferi back in while they literally just wait for your deck to run out of cards. Before that those decks might run Approach of the Second Sun as their win condition, which is just "7 mana: gain 7 life, put this 7 from the top, the second time you cast this in a game you win". Another egregiously slow win condition that basically amounts to "all I need to do is prevent you from doing anything for long enough and I'll win". See also lantern control in Modern. HS is more weird to me because exodia is basically the exact shape of a *ton* of hearthstone combo decks: try to draw your entire deck to assemble some 5-7 card combo and OTK. And yet I don't think I've ever seen a regular HS deck just "slot in" that kind of combo as an alternative win condition? I think the closest thing I can think of is priest decks which played some divine-spirit+inner-fire combo as a way to "oops i win", but those cards are individually much higher impact than exodia pieces and you could dupe them with shadow visions enough to use combo pieces proactively without completely abandoning the combo plan. Unlike exodia where if you play one piece to survive you've abandoned the plan altogether, and now just have 4 more terrible cards in your deck. Anyway, big fan of your stuff, as a non yugioh player who just finds meta/mechanics discussion of games interesting!

Dzeef, that's the wrong explanation for why Exodia is bad to an MTG player. You can't say the cards are bad in combat, because from the rules text on the cards itself, you can see that you're never supposed to summon the exodia pieces if you want to use the alternate win condition. I don't understand who these idiots are who claim to be MTG players, but it's clear they have no knowledge of deck building in any game, MTG or YuGiOh, if they think it's okay to add 5 cards to a deck that have zero synergy with the rest of the deck. As you already pointed out, the exodia pieces are just dead weight in your hand unless you manage to draw all five cards. Those dead weight spaces can be replaced by literally any other card in the game, and they'd be more useful. Heck, adding 5 Zone Eaters instead of the 5 exodias would be a better deck-building strategy. I'm an MTG player, so I know. That commenter who claimed to be an MTG player has no knowledge of either game.

Zone eater is a key piece of my 3 card One turn kill. Where I use magical explosion and Life equalizer, while normal summoning Zone eater to sit their while I win.

There can never be a video without your best friend Chaos Max being mentioned :D

For those heart of the Underdog decks, Normal Pendulum archetypes like Igknights might have a lot more success than just sticking a bunch of big normal monsters in a deck. Since you have two strategies working together to create more diverse win conditions.

Zone eater is broken. I lose with it all the time.

Hooray! I had been waiting for this!

Was waiting on this!

Zone eater, more like Hungry Burger Eater, the most broken meta deck

Exodia is no match for Moki Moki

Dzeeff, Would you consider Exodia Necross or Exodius the Ultimate Forbidden Lord viable for tournament play?

Hey do you think you could do a video explaining pot of greed? It’s such a complicated card, I’m still not sure what it does...

"Dzeeffs Don't Understand Zone Eater"

Exodia obliterates thats the only thing to understand

what do you think about the exodia support cards the legendary exodia incarnate, exodius the ultimate forbidden lord and obliterate do those cards do anything to help the strategy

Can't you use Zone Eater in your side deck as a perfect counter to ultimate great moth decks?

That scene from the anime is the most accurate, "Exodia?! Nobody's ever been able to summon him!".

"Why dont you just add it to your regular deck like yugi did" I hope someone commented that lmfao.

In Yugioh, deck consistency is vital for winning. Most decks comprise of a 40 card main deck (the deck into which you draw), a 0-15 card extra deck (fusion, synchro, xyz, and link monsters set aside from the main deck for special summoning), and a 0-15 card side deck (cards not used in the current duel but cards used to swap into in between duels in best of 3 match-ups). 5 cards is 12.5% of the standard 40-card main deck, which is a large percentage of a deck's power, especially considering the fact players are generally allowed 3 copies of each card in their deck with the exception of semi-limited (2 copies per), limited (1 copy per), and forbidden (0 copies per). Setting 5 slots aside for a random assortment of cards that might win you the duel if you have all 5 in hand takes up valuable space that is better invested in other cards that actively support and enhance the core strategy and win condition of whatever deck you happen to be using, especially when each of those 5 cards are do-nothing cards without all 5 being present at once. People might think, 'Well, just toss the 5 in on top of whatever 40 you use'. Going above 40 cards in a standard deck generally isn't a good idea either even for decks that use self-milling effects such as Lightsworn decks. Competitive players themselves rarely use more than 43 cards in their main decks. When you go above 40, you risk bloating your deck with unnecessary filler that will likely decrease your chances of achieving victory through the win condition of your deck. Overall, Exodia is a gimmick that does not support any win condition including its own. Decks have to be built around it in order to win and even those don't perform well. Thousands of attempts have been made to make Exodia a consistent strategy and the ones that came close to achieving the desired consistency while simultaneously failing at doing so were weakened by waves of bans that specifically targeted drawing effects. Most players have accepted the fact that if their decks aren't good enough to win without Exodia then their decks aren't good at all.

I Like your videos. I haven't owned cards since probably like 2006 or 07 so i find it interesting to learn about all of the changes made to the game. It's a bit overwhelming and I don't think I'd invest the time and money necessary to start playing again, but I do like all the information that your channel offers!

6:55 "chaos max dragon never saw competitve play" Oh, youre gonna get some comments about that from all the kaiba-boys.

If you directly attack with Exodia's left hand 50 times you reduce the enemy's life points to 0. That's OP! (Inside joke, if you can't tell)

One other massive thing to remind MTG/Hearthstone players is that there is no ramping mana resource in yugioh. In mtg/hearthstone, you need to put some small things into your deck so that you have *something* to play in the early game. In yugioh, otoh, you might drop your entire hand on the first turn.

I don't play Yu Go Oh, but I love watching your videos and learning regardless! Thanks for the great content!

Rare hunter say something to you?

Daddy used right arm of the forbidden one on me last night and I'm pretty sore when I sit down. It's so broken

Exodia works (well worked) really well with Red-eyes zombie dragon decks. I use it as a meme deck in duel links now days

One thing that occurred to me with Exodia though is that if you have a deck with Quintet Magician + Magicalized Fusion, and possibly also Exodia Necross, you could probably make a more versatile Exodia or Spellcaster-focused deck, since getting your Exodia parts into the Graveyard could just let you use them to get out Exodia Necross, or use them with Magicalized Fusion to bring out Quintet Magician and wipe your opponent's entire field and then hit them with a 4500 point Direct Attack from Quintet Magican (and Quintet Magician also has protection as it can't be tributed [so Kaijus won't get rid of it] and it's immune to card effects so about the only way to get rid of it is via battle, and with Quintet Magician having 4500 ATK & DEF, the odds of being able to get anything onto the field strong enough to beat over Quintet Magician is unlikely, particularly if you were able to use Quintet Magician's field-clearing ability by using 5 Spellcasters with different names [and the 5 pieces of Exodia together would meet this exact criteria] as fusion material and Magicalized Fusion lets you conduct a Fusion using monsters on your field and in your graveyard). That kind of deck could be one where you could either manage to get all 5 Exodia pieces into your hand in order to claim that instant win, bring out Exodia Necross if your opponent manages to force you to send all Exodia pieces to the graveyard, or if all of the pieces and some other Spellcasters are already in your Graveyard, just use Magicalized Fusion to instead bring out the massive beatstick that is Quintet Magician. And then just fill out the rest of your monster card slots with Gravekeepers since some Gravekeepers (like Spiritualist) are good at bringing other Gravekeepers out from your deck or onto the field. Granted, I'm not a competitive player, so maybe there are reasons why that idea wouldn't work that I'm not aware of, but it seemed like a good idea for a deck since you would have 3 different tactics you could utilize (Exodia's Instant Win effect, Exodia Necross, or Quintet Magician).

Honestly please keep making "commenters don't understand" videos these comments are hilarious

IS FORBIDDEN CHALICE BANNED?

One thing to consider when talking about looking up information about these misunderstandings, is that for casual players looking up a combo, ban list, or ruling can be a lot harder since they are not as familiar with the information and it can be confusing for them. Especially in regards to the timeline of when things happened

What are the triggers that let me use trap cards?

gotta love how the normal beat guy actively recommended cards that were bad _for that terrible deck concept_ seriously, why would you ever use the 1900 ATK vanilla when there's like 6 2000 ATK ones, how many basically nigh identical beaters do you need

Come on doug. You know people don’t read the cards! Of course they wouldn’t read the cards on the screen!

Great video! Its just a question, but why exodia is limited? It seems to me that more exodias pieces would rather brick the deck them help. Anyway, nice work as always!

I played around with a Heart of the Underdog deck online. I tried being clever by using normal tuners and pendulums, but even then it was very inconsistent. The main issue I ran into was, well, people can just MST it as soon as I play it. In fact, as soon as they see I play it and am also using normal monsters, they will likely assume that I am using a normal monsters only strategy and know that if they take out Underdog that I'm pretty much screwed. It might be more effective if you were able to play pendulum, XYZ, or synchos that give backrow protection, though.

I always like adding Exodia to random competitive deck. Just as a possibly that I could draw it, it always throws my opponent off when I suddenly have 3 or 4 pieces in my hand by the end of the duel

For anyone who has a Hearthstone or MtG mindset, know that in those games, you get a lot of draw effects and a lot of turns. In Yugioh, the average amount of cards you'll draw without any draw engine (Yugioh draw engine is very limiting) is 8 cards, including your opening hand of 5. That's about three turns of drawing. In Hearthstone, you can continuously delay your opponent's damage until you can assemble the Antonidas combo, but every monster in Yugioh have Charge. Also, you can't win with Exodia on the field, they must be in hand. Summoning them is a bad option, so if you draw them, you bricked.

Nurse burn with life equalizer could also give you otk's. You can use the other gift cards to give your op life points, use some search and draw cards that give your oponent lifepoints or take yours, then use life equalizer, summon nurse and use the last gift card. I'm not very knowledgable on most cards in the game but I'm sure it's quite possible to do this

Could Exodia pieces go to 2 or 3? Are there any problem cards that would enable FTKs if that happened?