I think some people expect this to be like a lot of other stan channels whose point is to compare what you like to what you don't like, i.e. hype some groups and shade others. So they're viewing it through that lens and it's causing them to assign hype or shade to things you say, where none belongs. I hope people can appreciate your channel for the way it analyzes and uses facts to support your points -- points that don't actually boil down to "I like these artists and hate others." It's a given that you love BTS, and you have actually done a great job of being neutral and even-handed to other groups you've mentioned. People seeking validation for their own opinions might not enjoy your channel, if that's all the expect to get. I think if people come here with an analytical mindset, they would be able to appreciate your points without getting offended. And appreciating points doesn't mean agreeing with everything you say, but it means understanding the choices you made and how those choices support your thesis statement. I love your channel and I really hope those who were offended are enlightened by this video. More people can benefit from these kinds of fact -based arguments than they can from the emotional, opinion-based ones that usually happen among fandoms. Thanks again for all your hard work. 💜🙏
istg, i've never seen so much "A: 'I love apples.' B: 'So you hate oranges?!'" logic until I became ARMY... It's crazy how little critical thinking people have when faced with facts or opinions that don't 100% aline with their own views and opinions.
I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
You're the only channel who knows what's going on in the fandom and about topics which require a discussion at certain points of time. Your content is daring to the normal Kpop community but honest too. Your breakdown of certain points and different povs for certain complicated matter are always refreshing and eye catching. Thank you for taking your time to explain these sensitive topics which are unnoticeable to the majority of Armys out there. Always looking forward for your content
You're amazing and you speak nothing but facts. Please keep opening eyes of people with respect to bts and also to army's. We love what you say because they ain't no bs but reality checks everyone should have. Thankyou for your hardworks.
Your channel is not meant to walk around eggshells so don't feel bad for coming off as controversial. It's takes courage to be this blunt about your opinion and it's not something everyone can do. Will be waiting for many more amazing videos from you🥰
You shouldn't worried about those kpoppers. Sometimes, they can't rationalize when they hear one word they don't like about their fav. Girl, stand your ground! Don't let those immature ones affect you. People are so into the manufacturing of kpop that they forget what's the bare minimum for artists. You don't know how happy I was to find your channel. I was like finally someone is doing videos based on facts and research.
I'd say that applies to both sides, not just people who like Kpop, but armys as well and I say that as someone who is an army, but also loves various Kpop groups.
I’ve noticed when it comes to HYBE groups, things can easily get controversial when it comes to Armys because a lot of armys support Hybe groups. I left a comment on your last video stating I only support BTS & that somehow was an issue 😂 What is wrong with me liking bts only? lol but you did nothing wrong! Keep supporting & speaking truth about bts :) That’s what I’m here for!
same lmao. Multis esp armymultis(bcos the only fd they criticise is army and never the co-fd) are the most annoying breed fr, esp on twt, they have this whole narrative set and perpetuated about others just because everyone doesn't move like genre stans like they do😭 imagine forcing Nicki Stans and/or doja Stans and/or latto Stans to like eo faves music just because they're all females doing rap😭 like no...i found a likeness in one artist not a genre and i ain't gonna apologize for it 🗿
Only love BTS. Don't mind the other big hit groups either and listen to their songs when they come out, but i still only love BTS. I don't hate the other groups, i like them but i dont love them. Just BTS only BTS. Im too busy n barely keep up with BTS before looking for other groups to be interested in. 👍
@@hoanhuynh7059 there are many armymultis that are like you and just enjoy the music and groups they enjoy in peace and most of the criticism isn't directed at y'all i hope y'all know. but there's definitely a whole different section that actively attacks ppl for not appreciating their second groups and this is directed at them 🗿
Ohh my! Watching this again after the recent Hybe Vs Ador legal tussle is so surreal. Who would have thought that the words you spoke a year ago would resonate so much with what is currently happening in the comapany? Your anaylsis is/ was spot on! Ador CEO completely credits HERSELF to all of New Jeans success and doesn't value the girls' own talents or contributions at all. It's all about *Her* (Min Heejin) This was her dream and she brought it to life, from conception to execution; New Jeans is just a vessel she used to actualize her vision. They are her "property" Your explanation in the video brings this out so well. And to think this video is 12 months old, it's crazy!! You saw right through her (CEO) 😮
They don´t like facts and they don´t like opinios but yet here they are in a channel about video essays and they don´t know what to make of it. As a baby army, thank you so much for your work!! Can´t wait for the next one
As a baby Army myself(only 2 and half years in) you completely opened my eyes and perspective about how BTS and other groups in the industry. You speak facts and not opinions and yes we all have different opinions from one another, but we all have the same goals whether it's just this group or many others.
@@Cronay6 I think by baby army OP wants to mean the amount of content they have consumed in their period of time. I've been here for a little more than a year (29th nov. 2021). And I consider myself a baby ARMY.
I am sorry for assuming you were a little biased while talking about txt and enhypen, it's my mistake for not connecting the dots. I apologize for that. Thanks for making these video essays, helps me alot. Love your videos and please don't mind kpoppies they are just everywhere talking bad about BTS and Army. They just don't like a BTS focused channel. They want everyone to be like them.
Thank you for writing this. I like txt although I'm only an army, but you understood the msg in these videos and accepting the fact makes me proud of you 💜
@@erwane8532 Na..... she was not biased. She just spoke facts. I thought she was favoring TXT but it was not like that. I don't know how she was biased in this video, she was trying to explain her point here. Obviously she spoke in a way to not to offend anyone because the way kpoppies were commenting was really bad.
@@BestOfMeDontLeaveMe613 I didn't read the comments. Still I found her explaination not very convincing, some of his arguments are facts (patials facts) but some are opinions, and she mixed the all. That why I said she is obviously biased.
Oh wow, I’m so sorry you had to make this video. You didn’t do anything wrong, you analyze subjects surrounding BTS in the music industry and break it down for people to understand better. Don’t listen to other fandoms who demand you to say or do something. This is a BTS channel but most importantly YOUR channel. Please continue to make videos. They’re very informative and open eyes to a different perspective on alot of things. You’re stating facts. You don’t have to like every group under hybe. You don’t have to praise every group that writes in their songs. And yes some groups are performers. I hope you know that Army love you and we appreciate you making these videos. They’re alot of fun to watch and I learn alot from them. 🥺💜
Don’t be scared to sound controversial !! Kpop fandoms nowadays are all filled with toxic mindset so even if you present facts with proof then also certain people will live in denial. And you should let them be in denial. You be you. There are very few channels who are “real”. I am so glad I discovered your channel when you had just 2k subs. I am glad to be a part of this community. Sometimes what you say might hurt me also as opinions can differ but all of us need reality checks now and then. Love you and keep growing
I really wanna say that I have never found a bts- related channel as transparent, objective, logical and explainable as this channel. Some people will find your videos harsh or humiliating to other groups, when in reality you are being respectful. Same with other ARMYs, I am really thankful that, thanks to channels like yours, baby army’s and army’s and general are getting the right advices, the things you might do and why and the things you don’t. I am really upset how a big fandom like us can have so much fake information and toxic fans habits. And a way to solve this is working together, and being clever about us wanting to get bts at the top. I really like your channel, never miss your videos. There might be some things we don’t agree with, but that’s okay. It’s okay to think differently and have our own perspectives 💜
Let's give Boracity a standing ovation. (Especially for her graciousness in schooling people I personally would have long ignored, muted, deleted, and blocked).
I too would have done that😭😭 Edit: I meant I would have ignored, muted , deleted and blocked them, unlike Bora who is taking the pains to go through all this
Please don't cave in to the bullying you may face just because you choose to speak facts and this hurts their ego.just know us army's will support you.
As a baby army and a person who loves music and does not care about numberq and charts your videos helped me understand the music industry, bts hard ships, their artisic path and other things thank you bora magazine
If you want more of their content I had recommend you to watch old videos of missup park chimchim yt accs and also their video of "nobodies to legends"
Hobi was the real one when he said "hate will paralyze your mind". Because if people stopped to let their emotions get the best of them and just HEARD what is being said without jumping to conclusions, there wouldn't be so many dumb takes about FACTS and statements that are in fact NEUTRAL. Just because one doesn't praise, it doesn't mean they hate and vice versa.
I salute you for consistently being true to your purpose and reasons, those demanding fans are not people you should cater cause you don't have any obligation to. They can beg praises somewhere else.
It's about time! I'm sure there are plenty of army that will finally get it. You left no stone unturned and you left nothing to argue. Thank you for taking the time to break it down.💜
To be honest, your every single video amazes me on how logical you are and how you can collect these facts. I ADMIRE YOU for being knowledgeable, professional, and respectful. I take my hat off to you just for making this video alone, and that shows you freaking care! This is BTS and their fan ARMY 💜 WE NEED YOU, and please DO NOT be discouraged! Thanks again for an incredible effort 💜💜💜
A lot of this behaviour from kpop stans comes down to one thing and it’s ✨validation✨. Putting artistry and artistic freedom (BTS) or lack there of (MOST of kpop) aside, unfortunately, BTS and kpop have something in common and that is that there’s a level of ignorance surrounding them in most spaces outside of the BTS and kpop fandoms. BTS receives the brunt of it because they’re in the forefront. However, it’d be silly to deny that kpop fans aren’t also receiving a level of degradation and mocking just for enjoying something others deem to be stupid based on racism, xenophobia and ignorance. Because of this, most Kpop fans are already living with a sense of defensiveness and a tendency to cling onto any sort of praise or validation, whether that be consciously or subconsciously. Now, despite only being an army, I’ve explored the kpop scene on social media, including RU-vid, just like I’ve explored the kpop industry and the groups it has to offer. What I notice is that there really isn’t many creators in the kpop space who stick to making factual and/or factually analytical videos. A lot of it is ‘opinion’ based. And that’s become a huge breeding ground for ‘hate’ to be passed off as ‘opinion’. Because kpop fans listen to people routinely rip into the thing they enjoy, they go into every single video in any way related to kpop that contains anything but gushing praise with the mindset that someone is about to fire off their ‘opinions’ and they end up getting overly defensive over an issue that really didn’t exist. In short, I really feel like a lot of this comes down to kpop fans feeling like they’re backed into a corner. They already have to deal with being shunned for liking what they like, so imagine that space that’s already criticised and demeaned by the people outside of it becoming volatile and sour inside too. People are just hyper-defensive because that’s the spot they’ve been forced into. What should be neutral opinions and what should be easily observable facts based on data and numbers are almost always overlooked in pursuit of sniffing out the shade that MUST be there somewhere because that’s what they’re so used to at this point. Literally everyone is against kpop fans from every direction… labels brainwash them and treat them like shit and then laugh their way to the bank. Most people outside in the real word are laughing at them because of what they enjoy (unless they got super lucky to have someone open minded in their life). And finally, the people they’re meant to be in solidarity with, other FANS, are also creating a hostile, competitive environment where the goalposts for what is considered ‘good’ and ‘worthy’ in a group are changed on a five minute basis depending on the person speaking and or what the herd mentality thinks in that moment. And all that is on top of the fact that kpop is a largely superficial industry. What most of us would consider ‘real artistry’ is thrown aside in favour of corporately manufactured ‘concepts’. And it’s at the point where even things like self love, or self-production are manufactured ‘concepts’ in kpop. That’s causing a lot of fans to base whether a group is better on whether they write or produce songs… without actually stopping to analyse whether said self-produced music is actually good. Because bragging rights and superficial aspects are practically the be all and end all in kpop, even something as artistically based as songwriting or producing is now hollowed out and made into just another tally on the kpop fan ‘list of bragging rights’. You could have one of the most mediocre songs you’ve ever heard in your life and kpop stans would swear it must be good because it was ‘self-produced’. The bar is in hell. And that’s the warped nature of the kpop industry. A phenomena where you’ve got hurt and defensive people begging for validation from fandoms they supposedly hate for things that are the bare minimum…… crazy 🥲
Hey fam! 💜 you are correct, we are not kpop fans, we are fans of BTS, we stream, vote, support and love them, we are allowed to just like them and that's ok! I am glad you keep up the channel because it makes me feel accompanied in my thoughts. I guess when we are real ARMY we will not lower the standard so that stretchy comparisons are possible and that hurts some kpop fans. Keep it up!!!
But you are kpop fans. No matter how much you try to disagree with this bts is still going to be a kpop group. The fact that they are so popular doesn't mean they are not kpop artists. Because kpop just means Korean popular music. Most of bts songs are in Korean so that means their songs are still kpop. I don't understand why this topic is so controversial. The fact that bts songs are categorized as kpop doesn't make them bad or typical. Kpop is so diverse and every group had it's own unique sound.
It's okay, because BTS stepped out of the Kpop stereo a long time ago. Even in Korea, they have a separate "box" for BTS,,... Their music is an art that transcends even classical pop, which in turn is recognized in world music circles. Get to know the creation of BTS with all the nuances, discover the messages and messages BEHIND the lyrics. Discover the cultural, historical and psychological message in BTS songs. A seemingly light lalala song will then open up incredible horizons and knowledge, understanding and yourself - this is true BTS. Then you will also know that it is an unsurpassed phenomenon of creation and can not be put into one "box,,...@@leebitinjeans
Some people may misunderstand or not accept the facts. It’s disappointing that people will watch a essay and not do their own research and just assume the person in the video is bashing everyone for stating them for what they are. They ignored your words and took them in their own perspective. Txt and bts had the ability to have creative freedom ever since they debuted under big hit. Lessarifim’s concept was given to them because the girls are aligned with that. New jeans label’s ceo took too much credit, she made new jeans success around her and I completely agree that she made it seem like new jeans didn’t get any of their own credit. I’m glad you made a video and responded to comments. Even if you didn’t have too. Performer also isn’t a bad thing in fact it’s what the K-pop industry is. I’m glad that you made it clear it’s a BTS channel. I’m looking forward to new content and i hope people can be more respectful as well in the comments. I’d also like to mention the part of fandoms bringing up the groups you mentioned besides BTS and wanting praise, as well as them wanting you to state that their song writing is good because they write it and I think we’ll people need to understand not everyone has the same taste in music. As well as it’s a BTS video essay, it mainly revolves around BTS because that’s what the video/channel is about and not much talk will be about more than it’s necessary from other artists. Also the HYBE family I totally agree that’s a marketing tactic because there all from different labels. The essay you made before explains that very well. Looking forward to more BTS essays 🫶💜
I feel like in an overall sense, fandoms just want to feel validated. Whether be armys or others. I am an ARMY who has had major impact from bts's music. From the shift in my mental and physical health, rediscovering my passion, using the knowledge from their diverse music in interviews and acing them etc. And I knew bts for ages. But only became an army because the period of discovery for me was purely and strictly being intrigued by the artistry. But after their impact, I started diving deep on the industry politics around them. And if I understood one thing, just because you clearly like love or hate someone that doesn't mean lack of analysing. Eg. 'You are just saying this because you are a fan'. But what if I became a fan because of the aspects am stating now? 'They are not the best vocalists or the best rappers'. But what if I didn't want them to be cause I might as well go listen to Celine Dion or Eminem for the highest notes or faster delivery. What if I am here because they deliver and perform the music they do wonderfully? 'Just because you don't listen to others that doesn't mean others are bad' But what if have listened to others and actively do but genuinely want to come back and listen to this one artist's music. 'They are only where they are because yall stream like robots' sure but what if I stream because I want to listen to their music. Isn't that the point? 'You just think they are superior to others and need an exemption' what if I have no opinions on whether they need one but do know other companies in 2017 were the ones asking for some kind of leave way for their groups but the government was only convinced by bts's level of contribution and sending them then would be a loss which was literally why they got an extended period inspite never asking for one. In short I brought up the arguments you usually see, and the point is fandoms love concluding. If you don't agree to every fandom then you are delusional is the attitude people inherently have. If fandoms really looked at things analytically they would have long accepted the impact and focused more on what aspects of the music, the management and the production click with people in a large scale. Music for a fanbase and music for the public to vibe to is different in itself. So if a group has succeeded in both then that is what should be analysed. And to do so you don't have to like or hate the group. So people need to seriously understand what analysing means.
Yes I agree with this. Especially when i stumbled on kpop fans arguing about who is the best rapper and vocalists. Them saying there are other rappers who rap faster than rm and suga, and bts don't have the greatest vocalists. These arguments don't matter to me, because bts make great music. Their songs pack with great lyricsm, easily digest sound with different genres, great vocals suitable to the songs and amazing dance performance. They are a total package and the best in things that are important.
@@ikmalhaikal2230 precisely. Same applies with talking about their past faults. But what if I am an army who did full research on that aspect and have almost an article long typed info of every single bad and good they have done and how they grew, before somebody hateful had to let me know about it. People on the Internet don't understand that comments really only cover a short amount or point of view. Like you could treat my comment long and i bet there will soon be one saying 'stop typing paras'. And yet I feel like I could type for an hour more and still have things to say. That's the limitation of youtube or twitter comments. Thus such conclusions and arguments become very shallow and don't factor the million aspects that come into picture in an Artists massive legacy.
@@explore.express.love.3483 they are the only group who makes past insults and mistakes into another song about their growth. I mean come on. From boy in luv to boy with luv? Its just another level of self awareness and growth.
Very well explained bora city....im an an army and always be ...i have a friends who are multi stan and ask me why i stick to BTS i always answer them its because of their music and their impact...dont get me wrong i respect other artist/idols even if im not a fan💜
In a time where certain kpop fans have become unbearable to the point where they stop thinking or at least to step back from pointless arguments, I find channels like yours very informative and helpful in assessing my own thoughts about kpop and BTS as a whole. I've seen a lot of unnecessary hate and opinions towards BTS, it's hard to find a safe place to really talk about a group I love without feeling any form of malice or just to talk properly about BTS in a way that brings their hardwork and achievements to light. Thank you, I know how some multistans or fans of different groups can be toxic, but respectfully addressing them and clarifying your points is admirable. Thank you for staying strong, boracity. Borahae 💜 I like all the groups from Hybe labels and I really find no offense or hate in words you spoke on Twitter or in your video assay.
¡Igual yo! Siempre pensé que con el tipo de fandom que somos, un canal de yt como este sería perfecto para ARMY y ¡lo es! Estoy muy feliz que una only ARMY haya creado un canal como este, por que la mayoría de veces son multis y aunque no tiene nada de malo, sabemos que una opinión de una multi y una only son muy diferentes.
lmao this is why I'm so wary of multis - not because there's anything wrong with stanning more than one group but because more often than not they also tend to start prescribing into kpopstan culture and mindset. For ex., the part where you mentioned that enhyphen stans believe that the group has good songwriters without a shred of evidence to say otherwise. I see this argument SO MUCH with kpop stans. "Oh my faves are actually talented...they just don't have the opportunity to show it" or "Oh my faves are so hardworking even though none of those hardwork reflects in the end result" ...spare me 🙄 And the whole wanting a group to be praised simply for having writing credit is another dumb thing i've seen. Wanting your fave to get recognized for making the song while the song itself is going viral for being ass 🥴..please you should be denying any involvement.
Exato, multistans estão acostumados com uma mentalidade de nicho, que é basicamente; "se você gosta de um grupo, enalteça-o. E se criticá-lo, você não é um fã ou não conhece o grupo". E sem falar que a comunidade de Kpop ainda é nova nessa questão de "viés artístico", então é claro a discrepância entre mentalidade de kpopper vs mentalidade de um fã de música/arte. Um fã de música nunca interpretaria uma simples menção à um fato como hate.
I have noticed that armys get much more hate in engaging with discourses that sound mildly critical yet factual on these platforms, as opposed to their fandoms blurting out the most toxic, hateful, condescending and sometimes even slur narratives about the same groups. I wonder why. About the part where you said stans say, "oh my faves are talented, they just don't show any" is sooo true! It's like saying I DO have the potential to sing like Ariana Grande, it's just that I.. don't. Talent is nothing without hardwork. Why because when no work is done to nurture that talent, it simply can't be used. If their faves haven't used their potential talent in their music, what exactly are we praising here? A talent that never melts down in music or stage? That's bs to me. At that point, you're just over praising an imagination or a thought.
"Oh my faves are actually talented...they just don't have the opportunity to show it" reminds me of a certain group 🤭. It's always their company's fault and their faves are victims all the time 😭
There's another one from a big3 company stan and they swear their artists are the greatest vocalists of all time BUT they are the ones who known for lip synching and have had so many scandals cz of it but ask the same to those stans as to why their great vocalists don't sing live?? "Its not that they can't sing, they can sing "bEtTeR tHaN yOuRs" but they just don't. The company does this, do that..." Like girl stfu up They drag jin everyday for popping his neck veins and that just tells me they hv never heard a single live show in their life.
I sincerely appreciate your video essays and how they are well researched and logically presented. Even if your video essays came with a written outline, I am unsure that people who don’t want to critically think would be satisfied. Thank you for your hard work. As a baby army, I have learned so much from your channel.
16:29 armys validation is real, like gosh it’s a bts dedicated channel why the hell someone would constantly want others here?? I’m already hella blessed I had my crumbs about le sserafim I feel like it’s a thing I should be grateful cause you didn’t even need to dig into this and could just mention names and go. I know I’m saying this not for the first time here but again thank you for doing your videos. You’re my favourite army content creator on youtube & I’m glad we armys have you fr
You say whatever you feel Bora, this is your channel, if people don’t like it they can unsubscribe & don’t have to watch your brilliant video essays, I so sick of the Woke Clan getting on their Soapboxes. Love & Sypport from Australian ARMY. Borahae 💜💜💜💜💜
Yep sure do, also referred to as “Cancel Culture” or “Political Correctness”. This specific comment just shows what our world has become and just proves my point so thank you 🙏
@@emmamcintyre6997 “Woke” does not mean cancel culture it means an awareness of social injustices and social justice causes, that certain factions have hijacked and turned into something derogatory and negative. There are negative elements to how people live that out just as there are issues with any movement. Perhaps that’s what you were referring to. However this video has more to do with fandom culture than social justice issues, thus woke would be the incorrect word to use.
Oh god, you do you girl!!! So tired of multis/kpoppies.. Not them coming to a BTS channel being mad that an army didn't praise their faves... Is it that hard to understand that armys literally don't like kpop? Yeah even I like one or 2 kpop songs but that's it ( and I can even specify who are they. It's "(G)I-DLE - oh my god" and "A.C.E. - Goblin", that's it). And there is nothing bad of not being army but being a multi instead. Just turn on your brain and accept that 99% of actual armys don't like you cause you not only throw BTS under the bus all the time but you also attack armys constantly if we don't praise your fave. And why would we? There is a reason we are not multis like you. We DON'T like other kpop groups, their music. It's that simple. And same way you are allowed to love other groups and being a multi, we are allowed to don't like any of this groups and only like BTS and other artists like some soloists in Korea and artists from other countries. It's that simple. Now leave army channels alone and go mind your own business if you can't even use your brain while watching a video thinking that if somebody doesn't praise your fave means they hate them. No boo, we don't hate your fave, we just don't give a F about them and their music. It's different.💀
As a multi-stan myself, I find it funny how you ridicule multi-stans about how we all have this mindset about how our other groups want validation. I don't have that mindset. Actually, I'm proud of my groups and they don't need validation from Army or Bora City to be spoken of.
@@Just_AMultistan well...there's nothing funny if u actually see the army to army___ to armymulti to "I hate armys and i don't wanna associate myself with them" to "armys are tOxIc" (as if those losers are very inncocent) to "i don't like bts' songs" to "i miSs oLd bts" to "i don't like bts anymore🤧" to "i hate bts" pipeline. Like gurl spare us! We know how y'all are and you are gonna be exactly that. I am gonna give it a year!
@S go ahead and use the same tactic against multi-stan Army. I have many friends who are multi-stans and they don't have that mindset about how they're groups don't need the validation from other Army's.
God bless you Boracity keep going don’t mind those close minded army and toxic other K-pop fans they complain things without understanding the concept of your videos… stay positive stay healthy and more contents to come FIGHTING 💪🏻💪🏻💜💜💜
I subscribed to your channel due to your fairness and the fact that when you are proving a point you show your evidence. It makes your channel authentic and real. It's important to me since I'm new to K pop and just love BTS and I've found that there are some crazy channels out there. You also make it very clear when you are stating your opinions.
I’ll be perfectly honest, there are many video essays you make that I agree with 100%, and some that I do not agree with, either partially or fully. But so what? I’m subscribed because I love how much thought you put into crafting your videos, and it causes me to actually stop and critically think about the topics you’ve chosen. I still might end up coming to a different conclusion than you, but I like the video anyways as part of the fun is taking what you’ve prepared and thinking about it. Keep up the good work, and I’ll keep watching because I’m always impressed by the level of your video essays. Borahae!
Tbh you shouldn’t have had to make this video, kpop stans are really moving like toddlers if they are purposely misinterpreting your words. Please keep making these video, we need more army creators like you! Dont let these sensitive kpop stans discourage you! Keep up the good work!!
I didn't have any problems with your last video at all. I thought it was insightful and I learned things from it. I *do* have an exception to some of your terminology, particularly your distinction between "performer" and "artist." A performer is "someone who performs in front of an audience, for example an actor or musician" (Macmillan Dictionary), so yes, once they debut, ALL of these groups are performers. I don't have a problem with that. (If the only place you sing is in the shower... no, you are not a performer.) However, the way you seem to be defining "artist" (only as "someone who writes their own music") is considerably narrower than the usual definition, and that may be part of why ppl were getting upset. An "artist" is simply anyone who practices an art. (Webster's Dictionary gives us "a person who creates art (such as painting, sculpture, music, or writing) using conscious skill and creative imagination; a person skilled in any of the arts; a skilled performer, esp. a musical or theatrical entertainer." (I feel like you're limiting it to just the first part of that definition.) If you're a singer, a dancer, a poet, a writer, a composer, a sculptor, a painter-- ANY of those people are artists, in their own right. It doesn't matter if a dancer or a violinist is performing her own work or Tchaikovsky's, she's still an artist using her skill, technique, experience, and creative expression to interpret someone else's work. True, there are many singers who don't compose their own songs. On the flip side, not all songwriters can sing professionally, and not all composers can perform music. So yes, I would agree that singer-songwriters like BTS are *particularly* gifted, and are displaying another level of talent from artists who are *only* singers. But... those singers ARE still artists.
Thank you for bringing this up - terminology can be a tricky thing, so it's helpful to define terms so everyone can be more or less on the same page in understanding. That was something I was wondering about too, the narrow definition of artist. Like, a lot of musicians out there in the pop sphere aren't necessarily singer-songwriters, like there's a reason that's a more specific term in English (idk about other languages). Is there a term though, that differentiates between artists who, whether they are involved in the writing/production or not, at least have artistic input into what songs make up their discography and express their messages, and the artists who don't get to have that kind of input? Because I think Boracity /is/ making that kind of distinction and there's a disagreement of wording. Because for sure in my early years in a couple corners of the jpop/kpop spheres I've definitely enjoyed some groups where I was under no illusions about how much musical and artistic input my bands had vs the management team 😅
@@rhythmelia I'd call that maybe something like artistic autonomy or independence, and I think that *is* something she specifically touched on when she was discussing the management styles of different labels-- some offer/allow their artists more autonomy and input than others do. (My impression from her previous video is that this is NOT typically something that was commonly allowed in the K-pop industry as a whole.) I'd say it also reaches into other areas, too, such as composition and musical production. Some musicians do get directly involved in that, others don't, but the reasons for that can differ-- from straight-up knowledge/ability to the sort of relationship they have with their label. And there are artists who don't write or compose (or who do, but not always) who still have plenty of input on a song's message or mood. In some ways I think the relationship between an artist and a producer is kind of like a writer and editor; the first person''s creating the content, the second person's helping them craft it to sound the best it can. Actually, I think "The Astronaut" is a good example of artistic input, because they've told us a lot about how the collaboration worked. Jin told Coldplay what *kind* of song he wanted and what he wanted to say, Coldplay composed the music and wrote a chorus and at least one verse, and Jin wrote a verse and then a second verse at Chris Martin's suggestion. The "sound" is very solidly Coldplay's, and it's pitched a little lower than a lot of BTS songs are (which tend to be pitched pretty high). But the words reflect a lot of themes Jin has touched on before in other things he's written, so his hand is clear in it, too. Even if Chris hadn't specifically said that Jin wrote those verses (which he did), ARMYs would still recognize the sentiment as Jin's. If you look at the writing credits, it lists the 4 members of Coldplay, then Jin, and then 4 other ppl (including Chris Martin's son and Kygo, who was one of the producers).
Your videos always gives me a different perspective of things I never thought about. I am so grateful for this channel you always amaze me with your videos keep making more we all love you and will keep supporting🥹💜we need more people like you fr❤
I’m a huge babymetal fan and I’m glad to see them mentioned here 😭😭😭!!! They’re such a good example of an act who are just performers, they admit that they don’t write their music but they talk about how much they focus on perfecting their singing/ dancing. I would say most fans are aware and fine with this thanks to the quality of their performances, and the music they are given, and I think that’s key for any artist who is just a performer. Besides that point in the video, keep up the good work !! I really enjoy the way you present points and talk about them. I hope this video can prevent more misunderstandings in the future !
it's such an interesting thing to me that kpop stans are so far up the "writing their own music" argument (because it used to be so rare in the industry) that now, they're not willing to understand that not ALL songwriting/production is actually good... and they'd rather praise it all because, hey, at least their favs do it!! but are not willing to view it from any other perspective and actually look at it as a standalone piece of work, instead of an anomaly that should be praised whatever its actual quality is. i've found this whole "my favs write their own music" discourse - through which kpop stans have started searching for more validation for their favs from - started from armys always praising bts for writing their own music. armys have always openly praised bts for their artistic prowess because we know they not only do it, but they've done it on really deep subjects and in really high quality. some critics have acknowledged it too. but now, kpop stans seem to want that same validation, and companies have noticed that, which is why they give their groups these opportunities to write a line, at least one. it's ruining the whole conversation about artists making music in the industry because now you don't really know who actually has talent and who doesn't, but you also don't think about who gets way too much credit despite maybe writing/producing more. the whole discussion is ruined.
To be completely honest, when I saw you uploaded a video about the Hybe family I was also hesitant if I really wanted to watch it bc I personally enjoy the Hybe family concept a lot and I'm aware that there are some armys out there who will more or less blindly hate on every artist that is somehow connected to bangtan. But I also am a big fan of your channel and know you always do an excellent job in those video essays, so I did end up watching it and also agreed with all of your points. As I said, I personally love the "Hybe family" in the sense that they are participating in things together (e.g. game caterers, TikTok challenges, and also Suchwita) and can support each other, but you are 100% correct that this doesn't mean you can compare the way the groups are built and I agree that it's important to point that out. You are always super respectful in your videos, thank you for your hard work
I so appreciate the way you present your essays in such a level-headed way. I understood your points in the previous video. I thought you were very clear and objective. Keep up the good work!
As a music fan my whole long life (I'm in my 60's) I can sense when an artist/performer is phoning it in, and not really engaged with their audience. That Is why I am such a huge fan of BTS, because they are so genuine and their lyrics are often so personal, and their energy when they are on stage or film is always there. I have been impressed by, and enjoyed other K-Pop groups such as TXT and Le Serrafim, because they also seem genuine. I really like New Jeans songs, and maybe it's because they are young, but they seem to perform in such a scripted way that I can't watch them. So for me, and all the musicians I enjoy, authenticity is key. My opinion is that BTS transcends K-Pop and most music being produced around the world today, which is why they are so popular. Thank you so much for your thoughtful and illuminating videos. Very helpful.
Thank you for a great video, sometimes when i read some comments on your videos i start to think if me and those people have watched the same video.. or if they are not listening to your words or they lack understanding
Im an ARMY but not only, i'm a multistan since 2010. There are a lot of things happening in fandoms which are not really logical (it's total chaos to be exact). It's so refreshing to see a chanel about BTS which is not "fanshaming" or focused only on opinions. I respect and agree with everything you said in this and previous video. You earned a sub :) And there is this that one friend who just started being interested in BTS so im going to share your videos for educational purposes :D have a great day
Some times i think we(army) need a leader and you are perfect. But i know it's not possible. Thanks ,you provide a lot info . And congratulations we are out of the list of toxic fandom in twitter
Generally on this platform, you don't see many stans talking about the reality or anything related to the industry. A majority of stans on here want to live in the kpop bubble, being oblivious to facts so when someone presents facts in front of them, they get defensive. Plus, the kpop community on here rarely appreciates bts or when they do its always backhanded or something. This platform is essential for people to learn about tannies more and with actual facts that are lost in communication on twt and other social medias easily so I genuinely think that your channel is a great way to let people and newer fans understand what's the reality.
I just want to say I appreciate your efforts and data research and then putting it in a way that people, like me, so unfamiliar with the industry, can understand. Thank you! 💜
I love your video essays! You always have such a punchy conclusion, and the way you convey your support is well thought out and engaging. Thanks for making them :) (hopefully ppl can think a bit more critically and with more encompassing comprehension going forward)
Girl, you don’t need to defend yourself! Your channel is amazing. It is truly the only ARMY channel I’ve seen that spits fact after fact. Your videoessays are well thought out, well researched, highly intelligent, and very mentally stimulating to watch. It’s like taking a mini lesson. I love that your channel fosters critical, intellectual thinking around BTS. It’s refreshing. Keep going! Already excited for the next topic you’re going to cover ❤
I found your video about the radio troubles BTS is facing in the US enlightening because I became army in 2019 so i missed most of that. I fully believe that people have different ways of perceiving BTS but it is a fact that for me, BTS introduced me to other kpop groups songs and made me realise there are other korean songs that are not noise music, which I had always believed in because most of my friends are into kpop noise music and thats what I always know kpop for 😂
Your video reminded me of what my family used to call "applying university-level thinking." You have a clear concept of your purpose in producing each of your video essays. If I were a teacher introducing the concept of supporting a thesis sentence with facts, I'd consider discussing this video with my students. You explain very well what an essay is, and what it isn't!
I'm impressed by you yet again. You have way more patience to address your negative commenters than I ever would. I learned long ago that even careful, logical explanations or clarifications can still go over some people's heads. You have more faith than I do, and I hope this video of yours reaches those who especially need to hear it.
Your channel is all about BTS and I like the way u always give us knowledge about BTS. I always look to the RU-vidr's that only Stans BTS and not commenting to other kpop artist because I know that they truly Likes BTS not only for Subscribers. Thank You Bora City and for Sure in 2025 your their for BTS...💜💜💜
You're one of the true BTS channel present rn in RU-vid!!!! Keep making eye opening videos!!! You're absolutely amazing!!!nd you put sooo much hard work in your videos. They always stat facts!!!! I love your videos. Nd i always wait for it. Can't wait for more 💜
As RM once said: ,,haters gonna hate.” Thank you, for your videos. Don’t let the hate pull you down. I’m very grateful for your content. Sending a lots of love 💜
Although a lot of facts are mentioned in the videos, this is an analytical channel where you share your opinions after analyzing the facts and not an information or fact giving channel. Analysis can differ from person to person, so I don't see the point of people charging at you for that. Also this is not a space for kpoppies to get mad bc this is a channel for armys, by an army, a channel dedicated specifically to bts and army. So pls don't get discouraged, you're doing a great job!
It is a pity people can't tell the difference between opinions and comments. Your opinions are based on fact and just because you mention another group as comparison to BTS doesn't mean you need to praise that group. Your channel is one of the best about BTS and HYBE. In fact, other channels have mention your channel as an excellent source. Keep on fighting. 💜💜
You’re a very levelheaded content creator and all you’ve ever done is provide facts about BTS and sometimes you’ve done some comparisons between them and their contemporaries in the Kpop industry or the music industry BUT in no way have I picked up any hint of you disrespecting their contemporaries or their hoobaes. It’s not your fault if certain people feel triggered by what you are saying. You keep doing what you’ve been doing! It’s beyond refreshing! 😉💜
An essay is an analytical, interpretative, or critical composition. Generally, it gives the author's own argument (thesis statement) and presents facts that support the author's conclusion. Your intent and purpose are crystal clear. Sadly, many people are unable or unwilling to engage in critical thinking and thoughtful debate. For myself, I really enjoy all your video essays, even when I disagree with any part of your conclusion. That's what debates are for.
Hey, Firstly thank you so much for your hardwork . I know how much you have to collect every single thing about your certain topics and it's really eye opening. I like how you describe your opinion very artistically yet not using any hateful words. As an army I like the way you state the facts so keep going as you are doing . I know you have to face this hate but we are with you who genuinely want to support BTS like you 💜 So fighting 💜 Borahae 🙆♀️
7:21 sorry, but artist, definitions from different dictionaries: - a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer. - an artist is a performer such as a musician, actor, or dancer. - someone who performs music artist is an umbrella term for everyone who creates art. performance is art. saying a singer is not an artist because they aren't a songwriter as well is simply wrong.
I agree with you. I could tell this video essay was created by someone who only has limited information on enhypen. But for me, enhypen has more than showed their capabilities as artists through their freestyle and choreographing that we’ve seen since debut and even predebut.
an artist is someone who creates his own art by expressing his feelings and thoughts. it doesn't matter how he creates it, but if they are performing someone else's art (choreography or music) they don't fit this criteria, so they are presenting that art by performing or singing. it is not their feelings that have been brought out through the choreography or through the words of the songs, but the choreographer or the writer himself. I will give an example if my friend is a poet who brings out his feelings and words through writing. He is an artist, and he writes me a poem that I present to the public, I am not an artist, I bring his feelings to life by performing and being a performer. those are not my words, i didn't create it so i'm not an artist
@@TiaIela no lol. the word artist has a definition and singers and musicians are artists, no matter your interpretation. a song itself is art and without a singer who sings it it doesnt exist. performance itself is art and without a performer who performs it it doesnt exist. acting is art that wouldnt exist without actors. these are definitions of the word "artist" across all dictionaries that i've come across, there's none that doesn't include performing arts
For Le Ssarefim, the label looked at the risk each member took in their lives to choose to become idols, and fearless defined their story. Nothing wrong with that at all. The label recognizes their bravery, and this should be their concept.
I'm going to give my honest comment about this video and the last one. Whilst I understand everything that has been said, because as you said, it is simply fact that was stated. The main issue here is 'Why bring it up?' and 'Why does that make them any less than a family?' The video's purpose was to give reasons why they are not a Hybe family or why such does not exist, but what was the point of that? Sure, they are not exactly label mates, however they are supported by one corporation, and as we have seen with the picnic that they did before, some of them are pretty close. For example, Seungkwan from Seventeen and Soobin from TXT are pretty close as they have done a live together. Moving on... The first opinion I will address is the issue of TXT and ENHYPEN... Whether they write their own music or not, or whether they are songwriters or performers, why bring it up? They are close, they interact a lot and I could say from the little we have seen of their interactions that they are friends. So I think thay could qualify as to being part of a family. Why does the distinction between their writing abilities need to be pointed out. As you have stated, its not a problem, so why bring it up? Next, the point of Le Sserafim being handed their concept and how they are different from BTS who have made that 'concept' part of their story and music. Why bring it up? Its not like BTS weren't handed a comcept when they first started... They were supposed to have a 'bad boys' concept. In their first few years (like 2 years) they ran with that concept. They couldn't just enter the industry without a brand. They didn't start out with the brand they currently have. But they developed and changed over time. So why is Le Sserafim being handed a concept such a big deal as to use that as a distinction between BTS and them? If it's not a problem, why bring it up? Next is NewJeans. You mention Min Hee Jin being a problematic CEO, which honeslty I 100% agree with you. But again, why bring it up? Cause what makes the HYBE family so unique is the fact that they aren't label mates, yet they get along so well... NewJeans is definitely a reaalllllly new group so their interactions with the rest of the artists aren't very common to see, but from the little we have seen like the Yeonjun and Danielle interaction at Inkigayo, they get along quite well, they respect their sunbaes and are also respected by their sunbaes, so why can't they qualify? Min Hee Jin is problematic but she has no interactions with the other artists, so why do her actions and problematic statements dictate the nature of the relationship between her group and the others. Why bring her up? Next, I'm going to adress the 'Seventeen and others' part. I think there is a misconception of what makes a company family a 'family'. Usually, the main qualifier is that they are under the same label and they sometimes release music together. Another take I noticed you have is that, they have the same ideology for all the groups, which is what you adapted to disrecognise the HYBE family. But, I feel that the most important thing is not the label or the ideology, but the interactions between the groups. Their interactions despite not being under the same label is what differentiates the HYBE family from others. They dont need the same ideology to be a 'family'. "Music and Healing for all" is BigHit Music's thing. Not HYBE, so no other label has to follow that ideology. Thus, the HYBE family most definitely has the right to be a family and to be recognized as such. Also, you mentioned the fans of 'a group' needing your praise when you spoke about authentic groups, and while I recognize that you are not a fan of their work and thus don't see the need to praise them, you brought up the issue of authenticity whuch caused those comments being thrown at you. I'm not excusing the fans behavior, however I do not absolve you of blame either. You brought it up from the very beginning but felt it unnecessary to speak about that group and the other artists who are also authentic and self-made. From the perspective of the fan, it feels like you just want to make BTS look like the only real and authentic group in HYBE and they feel like its unfair. It is your channel and you can talk about whatever you want, but if you are going to do that you also have to understand that everyone has a right to interpret your message however they want too. A clarifying video like this one makes it easier to understand your perspective like it did for me, but you also have to expect comments like the ones you have been receiving. Overall, I think the video was extremely unnecessary. The facts were true but had no point in being shared. The HYBE family is real, adorable and applaudable because they could choose to be business collegues and leave it at that, but they choose to deepen their relationship and that's what makes them a family. Thanks for reading my verry long comment. Just to be clear, I still enjoy your work sometimes, and admire you for doing so much research. These are just my points from analyzing the video before this one. Borahae ARMY and have an amazing day 💜💜
I couldn't agree with you more. Especially the part "it feels like you just want to make BTS look like the only real and authentic group in HYBE" this was what I exactly felt and it's definitely feel like it's unfair to other groups especially to Seventeen. I wanna thank you for your comment it feels good to know that there are people open mindedly questioning and considerate towards other groups. This is something really lacking in army fandom. I rarely see people like you.
She didn't say a word abt interaction, the whole vid was abt musical direction and so called opinion surfacing regarding blaming BTS for everything regarding hybe group,
1. TXT and enhypen is under hybe since pre debut, comparing them is being fair comparison, she compared them to show hybe and it's attitude towards two groups, how hybe give TXT autonomy over musical direction but not enhypen, when both are deemed fit for debut then why TXT had last say on their music but in case of enhypen it is the ceo deciding what will be included in album, there is a difference, To make a similar position:- in solo era all 7 member has different promotion but everything was choosen by themselves, v didn't write anything while jimin even make a documentary abt his production diary ,both can look like getting treated differently but last decision is their but in case of enhypen it is the ceo who has last choice , Does it really make sense that group of same gender ( i mentioned it bcz many companies has misogyny issue) is getting treated differently by same company and somehow family.
@@blossom6693 That's like saying your older brother got to make decisions before you and you're getting upset cause of that. Plus your reason doesn't justify the purpose of this video. That's my problem. What is its purpose? Is it to differenciate BTS from 'the rest' or is it to prove something that was not up for much debate in the first place? The purpose of the video prompted my comment. TXT and ENHYPEN are certainly not the same in terms of songwriting, however if you paid attention, you would have known that they've been writing and choreographing their songs too. Believe me not even TXT can add whatever they want to their album, they would still need approval but BigHit Music is chill about that kind of thing. Hitman Bang has never been so controlling about what his artists release. However, ENHYPEN doesn't belong to him alone. They aren't under BigHit Music, they are under Belift, and Belift gets final say. So TXT are not the same so that comparison is unfounded. Again, that is still not enough to disregard their 'family'. Family is beyond all those things she and you have mentioned
@@Mari_sUniverse i am sorry the purpose of the video abt the supposed family agenda they hybe using while promoting other group using BTS while their musical direction and choice in industry decision and even mindset behind is completely different, As you mentioned that bighit and be lift treat artist differently so how two groups when getting compared bcz of that is unfounded but making them look like family bcz of friendly environment they create from a respectful & mature understanding of a few interaction is valid, I am sorry in my opinion it's bighit family where there are cross over between other company artists while both party are mature and co operative aka good human being but labeling them family is straight up exaggeration, There was need of the video bcz she talked about various BTS space discussion, that's her source of idea ,
You do make a great point - we have the same goals but varying opinions. I respect a queen who acknowledges that. Frankly, it just kept hurting as a fan of a group that is always being subjected to be the next BTS or being a frequent player towards that goal. But to be honest, I am glad you made it clear that it's a BTS channel. I guess it is BTS and Army only having each other after the BS from almost everyone else.
i appreciate how mature you are in your response to haters and people that try to put words in your mouth. it’s very refreshing in the army/k-pop fan community. you have a wonderful channel
I want to thank you for your hard work in your video essays. They're always very elaborated, and your arguments are carefully built. I truly appreciate it. Keep doing what you love and enjoy. Like you said, there's always going to be disagreements in the Fandom, but also know that there are so many of us supporting your work. Fighting!! You always do a great job at your videos!!!
I agree with your analysis regarding the Hybe Corporation. I think there is some back and forth between the groups - mostly because BTS are helpful and encouraging to the other groups. Bighit definitely has a different management style. All the groups look up to BTS so I think they will begin to think about writing and maybe producing in the future. I love your essays, please ignore those people who fail to understand your objective opinion 💜
I’ve been following your channel since the beginning. It has come at a very needed time and your topics are always interesting. I love your essay format and how you state everything you want to say on a subject so clearly. I am so sorry you felt you had to make this video to set things straight for some people. I don’t know why fans of a group would come into another fandom’s channel to demand you speak about their group too. Surely there are fan made videos talking about their own group? Keep up your incredible work! Borahae! 💜
I was shocked when you said you didn't feel much for Make It Right. It's one of my favourite BTS songs! Yet I feel guilty for not feeling much for Louder Than Bombs since it is a fan favourite also. Yet that is the beauty of it. We have our personal likes. The important thing is to maintain truth and logic when making your arguments and you are really really good at doing that.
You Go Girl! I find your essays to be very authentic and very thought-provoking; keep up the great job! You know you can't please everyone, and you shouldn't have to! BORAHAE 💜
I really respect that you give your honest opinions. The fact you don’t want to talk about other artists is also respectable bc you’re here for BTS, not to support or denigrate other artists or performers.
I like your video essays because that is what they are. The facts, the conclusions and your own voice based on what you have found out while studying the subject. Thank you for making them💜
These people are just deliberately not listening, and they don’t deserve this entire long-winded explanation about why they’re so clearly wrong. They are misinterpreting your words on purpose, please ignore them.
