communication problems at AVN Expo 

There just aren't enough spider-man bodysuits in the world to save this video from demonetization.

9:35 "Adult Content Creator" includes adult illustrators and writers and other artists while the term "model" is specific to the people in front of the camera.

I read AVN and thought it would be like "avian" and about birds or flying or something 💀

To provide a man’s perspective on the whole “women tell me they’re huge fans and guys try and play it cool” phenomena, if I encounter a woman who I’m a fan of, I’m conscious of the fact that the vast majority of stalkers or “fans” who behave/think in dangerous ways towards female content creators are men. I enjoy telling them I’m a fan of their work, but I don’t want the thought to cross their mind that I’m going to follow them home or propose to them or something, so I do tend to minimize the amount of their time I take up, and the enthusiasm I show for them. Better than making them uncomfortable or fearful.

Amanda realizing she was the voyeur at this event just absolutely made me cackle😂 Thank you for going to such a wide range of events and covering them (respectfully) for us, it’s always an interesting peek into different lives and interests that I wouldn’t necessarily know about otherwise.

Hahah I'm that Megan! And they were just ... There 😂 another awesome video and I can't wait to spill tea about my experience at AVN on the podcast 🍵

Swell I just wanted to say that as a professional event planner I love these videos. You provide lots of helpful critiques that I can keep in mind while planning my own events!

A $600 hat and constant uncertainty… VIP is an entire scam 😭🤣

Amanda: blurs and beeps everything in hopes to avoid demonitization RU-vid: "You said t*ties???? Sorry, demonitized"

As a woman viewer, i hear too often that fans are creeps. If i have a para-social attachment to you then i would play it down a lot to mask and not be one of the bad fan stories. If i was a man that’s how id feel around any woman influencer.

“I have limits. Throwing up in front of pornstars? -I will not tolerate for myself.” this made me cackle LMAO

As a man, if I meet someone like a RU-vidr etc. I 100% relate to the guys you met who were trying to be nonchalant when they met you, because I'm concerned that if I go full on fanboy I'm going to come across as a creep.

Yes we need more education about the difference between legalizing and decriminalization of sex work. I only recently found out about it myself. It doesn't much effect me but knowing the difference will make me smarter when any kind of legislation that concerns sex work is being voted on.

Poppy Luv responded to my comment and imparted very relevant information: "Hey so I'm a Webcam model, and streaming with music is fine but having videos or recordings of your streams with music is not. On my site your content won't even be accepted if it has any music in it that is not from there music selection." - Poppy Luv I'd almost guess that webcam models would have to be more worried about copyright. music labels already don't want streamers using their music for backing tracks to gameplay or PC builds, I can't imagine they'd be gung-ho for webcam models to use their music either.

Watching you re-live gay panic moments in this retelling is honestly my favorite thing.

Back when I was doing it I felt kinda silly calling myself a “model” so I just went with “adult performer” lol. It’s too prestigious of a title to describe filming myself on an iPhone in a 1 bedroom apartment at 3am.

As a former virtual sex worker, I really appreciated this video! AVN was an event a lot of my online peers went to that I was always curious about but never was committed enough to the job to make an effort/investment in going. One thing that I thought about was your observation on the demos of people who were there. Based on my experience the types of people you described (older couples, older single men, and to a lesser degree groups of men) all made sense to me based on my experience as a cam model. Couples and single men above like 25 were always the ones who formed a more genuine emotional connection to me, treated me the best, and so I can see them being the ones most invested in going to an in-person event to see the models they connect with online. I could also see groups of men rally around particular performers and finding community that way or just being fans of adult content. And/or they could be kinkster groups. The younger single men though, they always treated me as the most disposable, and just something to entertain them for a short time. Also the worst tippers ever, they don't actually want to support us they just want to get as much as possible with spending as little as possible. Literally had guys tip me pennies many times and tell me I should be so grateful for it. Those guys, I couldn't see shelling out money to go to an event like this except in some delusional way, like they think they'll pick up a bunch of models.

Amanda is like "No food? I'm outta here." Honestly same.

It was not that this one was porn, it was your enthusiasm for the like sociology of conventions and events. I do not like conventions because I cannot stand being jostled and touched for hours at a time, but I do like hearing your reflections on the different convention cultures.

I think as an expo, the decrim/legalize/destigmatize panel was so important and smart to include. It's hugely important to the industry, and allows people hurt by decisions like SESTA and FOSTA, etc that are influenced by forces outside of this industry they majorly effect. Keeping people safe is paramount in the world, so making it a point at this event gets major points from me. But maybe I'm too easy lol

Have you seen that video of young male fans of Livvy Dune go to one of her Gymnast meets? The guys didn't tone down their "fannish reactions" at all, and that many people acting hyper-enthusiastic obsessed came off as intimidating/creepy due to societal connotations (group of men are statistically more dangerous than a group of women). So I think the guys who try to act cool just know better social cues to keep people comfortable, much more than the younger generation.

i've also always found it really sweet that yeah a lot of the enthusiasts of certain models/kink/adult entertainment are just nice older couples who are living their best lives together and embracing what they're into 🥰 good for them, we love to see it!

I hear most content creators, voice actors, models, etc., refer to themselves as "NSFW content creators," but that is mostly on twitter.

Amanda, the men don't want to seem that interested because they don't want to come off as creepy. No matter how much of a fan you are, being thought of as a creepy guy is devastating to self esteem.

Dudes “being polite and then immediately leaving you alone” is a thing we gotta work to get good at, sounds like the homies were doing great that day!

Amanda I literally would never attend ANY of these events being the introverted hermit that I am but I get SO EXCITED when you upload and talk about them I don't even know why but it is such engaging content :D

I wonder if my boyfriend secretly works for this company, he sucks at communicating.

I'm a cam girl/model and yes we have to be worried about copyright if we re-upload a stream as a vid also imo the umbrella term for people in the industry is either adult content creator or nsfw content creator because that includes as many people as possible like artists, voice actors, cam models, subscription site models, etc but if you're just talking about the people who get in front of a cam (pics/vids or streaming) they'd be models or nsfw models Edit: also the reason for older folks esp older men is they're the ones with the money to give to models

I love it… totally don’t feel as bad for missing it this year. I’m a financial dominatrix & fet content creator full time for the last few years. I wanted to go but AVN kinda screwed a bunch of us over last year when they suddenly shut down their site(which made up a lot of our incomes). Of course we all found other places but this was after assuring us they weren’t closing so I’m still a bit salty. I love your videos, and would totally be down to talk on you podcast. I’ve never done anything like it, but it honestly sounds fun. Ps: this isn’t my account name/picture I just use it for premium 😅

Maybe Bad Dragon should use that sponsorship money to increase their customer service quality

I've heard of AVN and similar expos and I've always been like "okay but what happens at these things" this was really neat to watch! Very pleased to hear that decrim orgs were involved :)

If that lady was wearing a body stocking then yelled at you, I have a feeling she may be a dom and that was part of her schtick 😂😂😂 it probably wasn’t you though, I’m sure many people were looking at her

I never expected you to do a vid on this event (or to ever see a vid criticizing this event in general). And I’m actually super intrigued 😂live for the ✨VARIETY ✨

I think when in the adult business having clear communication is a very important. I dunno why it just feels like it should.

Photo snipers are a thing that you see a lot at cosplay conventions - and a thing that a lot of cosplayers & conventions try to discourage because it's rude, especially if you're taking photos of a cosplayer (or, in this case, adult entertainer) while they're taking a break/eating/otherwise unprepared. I'm sure it comes from a place of being too shy or socially anxious to ask for a photo, but it's really annoying to be on the other end of.

I think a lot of what you mentioned with the men does come down to anxiety and a fear of being seen as creepy or weird. Even at regular cons, I can get super nervous if there's too many people at a booth and it suddenly feels like I'm in people's way, or I'm taking up too much of an artist's time, or whatever. All of that can only be compounded when it's sex work, because even if they personally have a positive outlook on sex work and sex workers, being publicly known by an adult content creator as a fan removes that anonymity and suddenly they know you and can make assumptions about you. It's a terror of being known, and it's more intense when you're dealing with a subject like the adult entertainment industry since we don't talk about it.

"Throwing up in front of porn stars I will not tolerate from myself" someone please do a beautiful needle point of this.

I'll be honest. The moment I heard AVN, I thought it was an avian expo about birds and I got really excited LOL

Men at Comic Cons do that photo thing a ton too. I am always happy to take pictures but when somebody takes a pic of me on the sly it's infuriating because cosplay is not consent. I have been with people who don't want pics and men specifically cannot understand why it's not ok to snap a random photo

i love being fem and forgetting the entire concept of shame when i meet someone i'm a huge fan of. i met one of my fave kpop groups and cried in front of my bias because i was so happy and couldnt believe i was talking to him. i told my dad bc i was humilated and embarrassed and he said "i cant speak for every man but if girls were that excited to be around me when i was in my 20's i wouldve felt awesome, he could tell you love him and i'm sure he was just flattered" and it made me feel so much better about my silly lil fangirl ways!

I think the term "adult performer" is both accurate and specific. Adult content creator seems so broad that it could mean someone who creates adult comics or kink educational videos or these performers or any of a hundred other things.

So much blushing! Just the voyeur realization was phenomenal The heritage museum is a lot of fun! We didn’t have enough time, they show the good and the bad and it’s so educational. Definitely recommend

You are so inspiring to me the way you face your social anxiety all the time and put yourself out there in these videos. I am fighting against agoraphobia and your videos give me confidence because i love how well you carry yourself even feeling anxious and being so unapologetically yourself. 💗💗💗

As a fan when I meet famous people I try to approach them as any normal person. It's a little iffy, not knowing what name they prefer (first or mr/ms blank) cos YOU are familiar with them, but you're a stranger so that gets a little weird, but I'm also socially awkward in a way that tends to come off as charming so I just straight ask what they prefer and then quietly ask for what I want (pic/autograph) or just make small talk. I went to a Buffy convention and saw most of the stars at the show in the hotel elevator. Autographs were pay gated by the con, so I didn't ask that, but small talk and photos they were fine with and/or politely said no but chatted during the ride.

You hear so many Stan horror stories as a 6ft bulky male I would feel incredibly self concious approaching you and try to present as calm as possible.

This was a super interesting video, this is such a unique event that I knew absolutely nothing about beforehand. Also the image of a bunch of adult content creators all watching Swell videos together is very funny to me, and the possibility that Amanda has adult content creator fans means potential podcast guests

I think the guys are trying to downplay how excited they are just so they seem less intimidating. God knows I would wig out if a guy started yelling about how much he liked whatever I was doing. But I wouldn’t blame them, it’s not their fault society has kinda messed with my head and now I am pretty cautious around men I don’t know

I'm a software engineer for a pretty big event company that caters to C-suite executives. We put a tremendous amount of effort into attendee communication. Even though our attendees are extremely knowledgeable and professional they still need to have things explained to them like they were six year olds. I really enjoy hearing your takes on big multi-day events.

I love escape rooms! I had an escape room birthday party. The room was themed "Conspiracy" (right around the time the Conspiracy palette came out) and I made the invitations out to look like a classified X-Files folder, I made tin foil party hats, my cake had knives and axes and cherry pie goo to look like blood and the candles were "28?".

Swell is so giggly and blushed it's so cute

Im going to say, probably 90% of what is going through a guys head before they ask for a photo is some variant of " Oh god, Im going to look so creepy"

I didn’t know what AVN was, but I ofc clicked on this anyway, because I know it must be a bit wild. Anything Amanda is doing so I don’t have to, there’s some wacky stuff going on 😂

You should totally interview a webcammer because I also have questions 📝📝

I think body stocking lady may have had a remote control device that she was telling the person who had the remote to "stop it!"

I like that you call them models. That's such a professional respectful term and that is really what they're doing. I'm surprised how chill and friendly this event seems

These events should start hiring you for consultation

As a cam model and adult content creator, I feel the AVN expo could have been a lot better organized this year.. and would have definitely been better if it was hosted at its old spot: the hard Rock hotel.. I think the hard rock was all around a more suitable place to host the avns. I was happy I still attended but also feel that my vip tickets could have given me more benefits for paying "vip." I could relate to much of what you said in this video and I'd love to be on your podcast to discuss further details about my avn experience as a performer that wasn't directly at a booth and just attended. I think I'd have alot of helpful insight to share if you ever wanted ☺️ this was a fantastic video!

100% guys trying to not be annoying or creepy so we try to make it quick and “nonchalant”.

I'm not surprised about the older audience demographic after hearing the price of the tickets. A 19 year old is less likely on average to have the funds. I feel like it's reasonable for couples who've saved up some money over time to plan a trip to see their favourite adult film stars together much like any other fan convention

I went to E3 one year and got food poisoning from a Togo's after the first day and day 2 was me just feeling the worst I have ever felt while I was slogging around the Expo, so I know your pain.

I do watch some but I prefer pictures and spicy novels. I struggle a bit hearing some things out loud without cringing or getting grossed out, even with things I love. It can be a mood killer.

I feel like when people talk about an event after the fact it gives them a chance to honestly reflect on their feelings and experience instead of being caught up in the moment.

I kind of want to see a video where you sit down with a model and interview them about the business side of their work - honestly, the randoms asides about this sort of thing is one of my favourite things about your videos

Videos sold privately don’t get copyright claimed as quickly because the system has to actually scan the video to catch it. Idk about other types of video sales though

Hi! :D I am a cam model so I can answer some of your questions :) 1) Most camming sites don't care while your streaming what music you play. I have no idea how they get around the copyright. 2) Models are camgirls/cam models - NSFW live streamers. The term model just sounds...better...than calling us 'girls'. Adult content creators are those who primarily make videos, or do subscription sites. Realistically, a lot of us dabble in both areas. 3) This was my first AVN I attended but I have a feeling that a lot of the men that go to the event are the same men who watch cam models and never say a word. Shy boys.

I went to AVN 2020 right before COVID lol that trip had been my last trip before the pandemic, it was interesting but I only went cuz my friend who was invited as. model took me! so glad I got to experience even one day of it, and got to meet many others that week. the Vegas Pinball Hall of Fame was the coolest thing I experienced tho

I am fascinated and delighted you went to this! As someone who used to be involved in the burlesque community, I'm curious if it was mentioned at any point? I definitely think I'd enjoy attending with a group a friends at least once. I would love to better understand the justification for $600. Are models seeing a cut of that money? If so, I get it. In the NYC burlesque scene, I feel like ticket prices and performer rates aren't high enough for what you're getting. Typically the vendors/exhibitors are also paying to be at conventions though, so how much are they paying for a booth, if VIPs just get... hats?

I didn’t even know what AVN stood for. I watch adult content occasionally (no shame in that, people, enjoy what you enjoy-within reason-and be free!) but wouldn’t know any of these stars by name or even by sight… And yet this seems interesting from that anthropological/sociological perspective. Truly THE place to people-watch (without judging), and hell, I know at least the models don’t mind being watched, lol! And hey! Shoutout to adult entertainers and sex workers, you rock! I know the state of some of these sites y’all use can be uncertain at times, the industry can be uncertain at times, you put up with a lot. So just… you guys are really cool, honestly.

I understand that "trying to act cool" when meeting someone you are a fan of as trying to not overwhelm the person with your... faness... I'm shy and wouldn't know what to do if someone came to me all excited so I also would try to have a chill interaction when approaching someone.

I love how respectful you are about this topic. I am also fascinated about the business, and if you ever do get an answer on copyright claims for music and live streams, please update us!

Had to pause the video when you said $600!! That's shockingly expensive

I actually saw some performers streaming at this event. Towards the end I think men act like that bc they don't want to be called a simp.

as someone who used to run an escape room, drunk and high groups are the second most chaotic, after 11 year old birthday parties

Yes, livestreamers get copyright claims. I livestreamed my wedding, and a bunch of the audio during dinner and speaches got automatically muted because of the background music the dj was playing :(

I keep hearing AVN as "Avian," and have decided that this con would probably be improved with more birds.

This makes me want to attend. I’d have to look into if anyone I’d be interesting in meeting and I totally get that fear of being considered weird or freaky while looking at people you’re a fan of.

I think a lot of the dudes you meet just generally don’t want to be seen as creepy. I think they genuinely just want to be chill about it and not bother you but it comes across as being a little stand-offish. At least that would be my reasoning in that situation

Lmao your story with Megan reminded me of one year I went to Sexpo (think Aussie AVN) not long after I was in the Vagina Monologues. I'm in trackpants and a t-shirt (having just come straight from uni) and a porn star in the tiniest bikini jumped up to ME and went "omg I loved you in the Vagina Monologues!!!" The extra funny thing was that I played the lesbian dominatrix at TVM and ended up striking up a friendship with an actual domme I met at Sexpo lol

thank you for spreading the word about the geeky & kinky pins i love them so much especially the jason one

I get a unreasonable about of happiness hearing you describe events to us.

For me when I meet a celebrity or an internet personality as a male I don't wanna freak them out becasue at the end of the day they are another person so I try to be chill when I meet them that's probably why they acted like that.

idk why but this video had so many one liners that had me absolutely dying, thanks for your service amanda lol

as a supporter of the x industry I actually got to attend the expo/awards and always with a friend who was guest speaking. The "models" always kept it professional, the fans are different. I was just a guest but the amount of ppl that touched and took photos (some asked some didnt) of me was crazy so u can't even imagine how the real stars felt. Definetly an experience (MGK was performing). I think the organization and communication to event goers has gone down over the years. I think the change from Hard Rock really messed them up.

I don't watch porn but I am pro porn (that doesn't exploit people.) This was a very interesting video. I love the anecdote about the female fan/model who thought you were looking at her boobs. 😆

Ok but dudes trying to be chill is really cute. I dunno, I think it feels like they don’t wanna take up your time or creep you out so they try to be calm. Very cute. Edit: The dudes snapping photos without talking to people is a little odd to me though. Could still be nerves for sure, but I think asking is just polite.

Lol maybe the 19-25 year old men didn't show up because tickets were too expensive for them 😂 Great video btw!

Australian S worker here! I love your content and would love to bump into you at AVN. I didn't go, but my friend did, and even won an award 🔥

i plan to never go to either of your recently reviewed events- but i’ve been eating these reviews upppp, you always make the reviews so interesting

I was just watching one of your videos when this was uploaded lol. Also I just want to say if you reviewed M3GAN in a video that would be so cool. Also knock at the cabin because I keep getting the trailer so many times and I can literally imagine the things you would say. Have a Dino 🦕

Dudes most likely go out of their way to seem nonchalant when they meet ppl (esp women) they're fans of because they really don't want to be seen or viewed as that creepy guy that ruined someone's experience. These days we have to be hyper vigilant about that, because if we got as excited as we want to, we worry it might be too much and over the top and scare the person we're talking to.

the Megan story, the discussion of geeking out when you meet some who's content you watch, I feel like there is an untold story of encountering a model you appreciate enough to geek out on

I'm so glad you acknowledge and welcome your fans and how that goes. It's really lovely.

I met an adult entertainer at a Jinkx Monsoon Christmas show. He was very nice. I recognized him from his dancing on Hey Qween.

22:10 I think one of the reasons men are more "chill" about being a fan is we don't want to come off as creepy or aggressive. I 100% would try to come off as relaxed for this reason. I'm not that large or scary looking, but I still want to come off as chill or low energy to keep it a positive interaction.

I live in Vegas and ended up working a sweet gig with CES, but for being in the brand rep industry, there was zero communication or call to work for AVN! You're right, no communication

Nice! I'm a local, and went to Resorts World the day of the AVN awards to grab some lunch at Street Eats, but the peoplewatching of the regular tourists vs the AVN attendees and such was mildly hilarious. But I absolutely thought I saw you there, and just shrugged it off! Doh.

Lot of guys tend to act cool and collective even if we are superfans to not look creepy with the ladies we are fans. I am a big tall dude and I know that can be a bit intimidating for some ladies. So when I am at event I tending to be respectful of the ladies space and time, with a big and often genuine smile. This typically help start up conversation, where I gotten some my best tips on prop and armor building for cosplay.

i’m a camgirl! i play music during my streams and there’s never been a problem. the only time music becomes a problem is when you want to sell a video. i’ve had all of my videos muted on the site that i use hahaha edit: yes, “model” is the correct term haha , but i would never call myself that. also, i wanted to game during one of my streams, but was told by the site that i can’t game because of copyright issues. some cam girls do game though, but i don’t want to risk getting my account banned.

I have no idea why this video was recommended to me but I'm glad it was I had no idea this expo existed lol I'm glad it does.

I kid you not, I got TWO mid-rolls ads for Chik Fil A while watching this😂😂