As I recall Pakistan never knew Osama bin Laden was in Abottabad or Pakistan at all. Their intelligence, which we used. Told them he was in Afghanistan but near the Pakistani border. It was only after field intel said he had slipped over the border and we found out. Basically while the Pakistani Government had no idea about bin Laden they did find that there was civilians as well as low ranking members of the military as well as their intelligence agency helping him. As far as the Pakistani government goes it was just gross dereliction of duty that they stopped looking for him and so didn't know he was literally 800 yards from the Pakistani Military academy, their version of Westpoint.
@@bl8danjil @bl8danjil my point was Pakistan was not wrong for their outrage at the game. In the game, which EA and the MOH development team specifically said was based on Operation Neptune Spear aka the bin Laden compound raid, it says Pakistan knew he was there when that wasnt true it was some people who worked for the government but as far as the actual governing agencies no one knew. If it was America it would have been like a CIA Department desk chief, the Commander of Westpoint and maybe some low level 1 star generals and their full bird colonel aides who knew anything.
@@JosephDawson1986 My point still stands. By the way, it's generally the FBI, Homeland Security, NSA that does investigations in the USA, not the CIA. CIA is foreign intelligence gathering. If hypothetically speaking, the 3 agencies I mentioned earlier plus those low level generals knew that the #1 most wanted, Bin Laden, was in the USA and didn't inform the rest of the government then the headline would be that the USA is a terrorist haven and I would be laughing at that too. Just because the Pakistan government is a failure at not knowing what it's own intelligence agency and some of its military personnel, who are all part of the government, are doing is not a deflection from the truth of the headline. They can claim they didn't know all they want, that doesn't change the depiction the world has and that is that the #1 most wanted terrorist the USA was looking for was hiding out in Pakistan because he saw it as a safe place to lay low and people within the Pakistan government helped him. Hence terrorist haven.
@@alphabroncotwozero392I'm currently in, and can't believe how often I hear other soldiers refer to it as ACU or just digy cam. Especially frustrating when I refer to our OCPs as ACUs and get "corrected". Or I say UCP and people ask me what that is. I wasn't even in during the UCP ACUs but still not hard to know what you're talking about. (Also hate when people refer to regular ACUs as "winters" now that the lightweight summers came out a couple years ago)
The most unfortunate thing about this game is how it was a great tactical shooter, but it dropped too early. Back then, Battlefield and COD overshadowed it, and today the market has shifted back towards putting out more tactical shooters.
I remember watching a video about it and it came out when new game would try and add something new to the game. and Warfighter felt even back then from reviewers and lets player like really modern day shooter cookie cutter. like the only thing it brought to the table was the door breaching mechanics that was just a bullet time mechanic to unlock fancier way to open a door whit (and none had any effect it was littarly just pick what you think looks the best as they all did the exact same thing). Plus I think peaple started to get Modern day Shooter fatigue. especually whit the environments. like the previous Medal of Honor was hammered for been a WW2 FPS set in Europe where you play as US or brits (everyoen else was also doing it to the death). then Medal of Honor Warfighter came out its a modern day FPS like everyone else was releasing or had released, set in the Middle east as had every single other modern day FPS of that day.
Dude I loved Warfighter but it was not a good game at all. Multiplayer was the fun kind of jank but the campaign is scripted to the point that it feels like a parody. However it's weapon customization was a bit of a precursor to the stuff we see in games like the new MW games and Escape from Tarkov. It had very good weapon customization and it had a nice grounded aesthetic to it.
@@Seth9809 For campaigns both are really bad, but at least Homefront's premise is ridiculous enough to make up for it. Multiplayer though, I think Homefront was certainly more interesting. It was this mix of small scale infantry engagements with vehicles turning it into a much bigger battlefield.
agreed, with how ridiculous modern military genre has become when I played both games again 10 years later it feels like they're just released at wrong time, and I appreciate them even more now if I play modern military shooter, I want to play as modern military soldier, not dressed up as nicki minaj or homelander
Nice catch. He must have mistaken it with events of operation enduring freedom - philippines (2002-2017). Both OEF-P and the battle of Marawi are part of the wider Moro conflict in the region.
@@hoangtran4736 It is interesting though that the Philippine mission in MOHW is so close to what happened in the battle of Marawi with all the Urban ops even if this game was 5 years before the Marawi Siege happened...
@@KiLDELTA well... urban combat is almost always the same... it's chaos, it's PITA, it's KIA farm zone... " to save a village, you first need to destroy it" (Paraphrased)
Y'know, I recall that when they first revealed the game, the website had 4 logo outlines (similar to the MOH 2010's unit's logos). The Task Force Mako logo was the only "revealed" one. Then the Bin Laden raid happened and (to my recollection) nothing ever came of those other units/logos. I always felt like Warfighter likely got too caught up in the legend of SEAL Team Six after that point, which compromised a campaign they had originally planned for max marketability. Real shame since MOH 2010 was really low key about what Tier 1 units it was actually portraying.
Could we see a video about the Russian camo that was featured in Battlefield 3? It was colloquially called "Izlom" but it can sometimes be referred as Skol, and in Russian fashion, borrowed heavily from the German Flecktarn pattern and color scheme. If not that, how Hungarian Swirl or Serbian Blue Tiger camo?
Second this, the camos that were featured in that game were pretty interesting. SURPAT was the default for the Russian faction and it featured some more obscure patterns.
I actually followed LBX for a while, and I remember when I saw Project Honor camo on their site and all the gear they had of it. I never actually knew the reason for it, or actual purpose, so it's cool to finally see it's backstory
MoH warfighter is the game that got me intreasted in firearms, and the reason my first gun was a Daniel Defense. Here I am 10 years later working in the firearms industry, teaching people how to be safe and responsible gun owners, and participating in a hobby im actually good at. I just wish the series would have survived for me to enjoy it as a young adult.
I was in Okinawa when the whole thing happened with Warfighter and I found it funny since the campaign was so underwhelming when I finally got to play it.
Medal of Honor 2010 and Warfighter are still the best modern military campaigns out here! The Projecr Honor Camo is also very good in middle europe! I'm using it sometimes for Airsoft and i think i'm one of the biggest collectors of this camo. I even have custom Crye Style Uniforms in this camo and some of the rarest products of this camo that are almost not available anymore anywhere.
Man I love MOH:WF it was a great game taken if there were enough people playing so that a server could be played. It's really sad that EA pulled the plug on this so early.
I alays find it weird how still in the new millenium, games get blamed for causing violence. It's especially annoying since it's already been proven to not be true, in fact the opposite. Sigh...
Its a lazy scapegoat, but one that works if you're excessively desperate to avoid seriously confronting an issue. The NRA blaming video games was a bad-faith exercise: 2012 was a year where video games had enough cultural relevancy that it was self-evident they had little to do with people being violent. But just like with all the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories... the firearms community was pretty comfortable in accepting literally any deranged explanation versus actually having to reflect upon the objectively terrible reality of what happened at Sandy Hook. Truth is, its easier to buy bullshit than accept reality if you have ideological disagreements with the latter.
@@johnkonrad5040the problem wasn't the firearms community it was the NRA. If you think about it the NRA has power as long as there is a need for a gun lobby so they play both sides. The NRA publicly says they are Pro 2nd amendment and fighting for gun rights all the while they also pay the antigun politicians to stay antigun. How else can you explain how stupid some of the antigunners are when we have seen those same people who can't seem to get the parts or function of a firearm correct but have no trouble understanding thefunctions of say a space rover or mission to Mars specifics? Thankfully the gun community is realising this and slowly we are leaving the NRA behind, especially given their views on other issues. Regardless of what types of weapons one believes the 2nd amendment allows you to own most on both sides can at least agree the intent is that the regular American citizen is the last line of defence of the country and being armed helps with that.
@@JosephDawson1986 Yeah, the NRA really doesn't fund gun control candidates... And remember, all the Sandy Hook conspiracy theorizing came from the gun community. Dumb as the NRA is, even they figured out that was a bad idea.
I have several items, including a LBX plate carrier and full uniforms, in this camo, never knowing the story behind it. I just always liked the camo as it works well in my area. Excellent documentary.
Great game, great soundtrack, great attention to detail for the members of the SOF community. Thanks for doing it justice in a video - helps me feel not as alone being one of those who enjoyed it!
I remembered getting Warfighter for Christmas as a kid and immediately fell in love with the game due to how it was more different than CoD or Battlefield Warfighter will always have a special place in my heart
I actually picked up the pants, shirts (both long and short sleeve), the chest rig, and the gun bag (which I still use to this day) along with all the patches on deep clearance on Evike. I really like it but I live in the PNW so it doesn't fit in the best. I had no idea it was even a promotional deal and just figured it was an attempt at making some unique camo for airsoft.
I have an LBX IFAK pouch in this camo. I wanted an IFAK pouch that was completely a different pattern than my other pouches to immediately draw the eye against coyote pouches. It’s pretty decent construction and you cant really tell how the overall pattern actually looks. The individual pixels are like 1 inch square. The only thing wrong is the little wire gets lost. I’ve had to buy Amazon knockoff of the pouch and it honestly came with a better finished wire attachment.
I'm still a bit sad that we'll probably never get another modern MOH game, both the reboot and Warfighter were absolutely amazing games. I didn't realise that the project honor camo was a real one though.
I loved MOHW and still think its a good game that was just overshadowed by BF3 and BOII as well as being in an overaaturated market. But looking back on it there was a lot of product placement in the game that didnt have any change on gameplay, same with the trailer shown at 4:50 with "thousands of fireteam combinations" when in practice it was actually 21. Shame what happened to the franchise.
Thank you for including Games into the series. But MOH Warfighter was weird, it had strange gun play and a complicated unlocking system. I remember one had to unlock the Australian SAS Soldier, to be able to extract the stock on the German KSK soldiers MP7. Perhaps only the SAS guy knew were the bottom in the gun was...
Because it's one of the convenient bogeymen: Mental illness, single-parent households, violent video games. They quickly devolve into: eugenics, "traditional" values, racial purity, and other ideological talking points. On the other side of the issue: access to firearms, poor education standards, and violent video games are trotted out now and then. The fact that violent video games are used by both sides isn't lost on either; when one side uses it in the debate, the other side will use a different bogeyman.
Just popping by to say that Medal of Honor: 2010 is the only historically accurate game based on the War in Afghanistan. It’s not just loosely based on Operation Anaconda, it’s nearly 99% accurate with a few changes for narrative reasons. There is even a real friendly fire incident that’s portrayed in the game where an AC-130 fired on a special forces convoy killing one green beret and 3 Afghan nationals.
So upset when they shut down the servers found a good bunch of Brits that still played it. The game had some super cool features no other game has replicated. The game before this and warfighter deserved better
I had no idea that I purchased a whole set of this a few years back. I was getting into airsoft at the time and saw Evike was selling the shirt and pants for something like 60 bucks for both of them. I used the pants as work pants since they were pretty tough and the ass load of pockets made them perfect for what I needed. Interesting to hear about the history behind it.
Want d to get a set of this as well back when it first came out for both the donation and cause I thought it was a cool camo. Never did though as I didn't have the money at the time. Years passed and I forgot about and found ATACS FG and ran that in games for years
I had the patch set that LBX offered after the first game came out. Sadly it was amongst items in a footlocker that was stolen when my place was broken into.
I bought this camo when it came out: works well for more desert/shrub environments like in CA or Texas, but way too bright for anything on the east coast/woolands
LBX camo and patches were featured on airsoft sites during that time, and I remember getting a set of each. MoH was hit pretty bad with controversy when MoH 2010 was banned from us military bases because multiplayer had a taliban faction (despite other games like MW2 having Opfor), and MoH 2012 had some serious repercussions for military advisors who were involved in the game’s development.
Because a modern tomahawk is a weapon not a tool to cut wood. First the edge geometry is not conducive for cutting wood and keeping a blade, two you can't hammer or baton with it because you would break the usually fiberglass shaft.
I remember being a bit disappointed with the reveal. As I was a kid and was just wanting BF4. Not even thinking that BF3 hasn't lived it's entire cycle. I also remember not liking how they changed the graphics and gun sounds. Looked and felt a bit more cartoomish then the 2010 MOH. Sucks we never got a real relaunch of this brand. I know we got the Medal of Honor Above and Beyond for VR. But not quite what I and I feel others want.
I have the PH uniform, the pants run huge and the top runs slim , I need to get the custom g3 modded version of the pants from Roman Karmaz out in Ukraine
Uhhhhh.....02:27 The Philippine Campaign in Warfighter wasn't based off of the Battle/Siege of Marawi. The Battle/Siege of Marawi happened in 2017, while Warfighter was released in 2012. It's actually just based off of operations done in Mindanao mostly in regards Islamic Jihadi groups with the Abu Sayyaf group being of particular interest to the game.
i feel kinda robbed after watching this. i served in the Army infantry during the UCP era and when your on patrol on Kunar and i can remember looking at the other guys and thinking; “we stick out like a sore thumb” and my ex-wife ordered me the GovX Military edition. when it arrived, it was missing the sticker on the case to identity it as that special edition. so she called someone at the company and they mailed me like… 20 of the military edition little stickers and some other exclusive MoH stickers. good people.
You keep saying "Special Forces" when you should be saying 'Special Operations.' Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding of the term 'Special Forces' is that it refers uniquely to Green Berets - and only Green Berets - whereas 'Special Operations' is more of a catch-all categorical term that refers to any spec ops group from any military branch. Thus, Navy SEALs, Devgru/SEAL Team 6, Army Rangers (although this one's sort of a grey area if my memory serves me well), Delta Force/CAG, Special Forces/Green Berets, Marsoc, etc. would all be covered by the umbrella term 'Special Operations,' and not "Special Forces."
‘[We need] specially trained troops of the hunter class, who can develop a reign of terror down these coasts [of occupied Europe], first of all on the butcher and bolt policy… leaving a trail of German corpses behind them.’ Prime Minister Winston Churchill, 1940 While the green berets are the ones officially using the "special forces" motto other units by the world use the term special like the Special Boat Service formed in 1940 for raiding coastal regions or amphibious landing,the Belgian Special Operation Regiment formed in 1948 from belgian soldiers serving in the british Special Air Service.
I'd always assumed it was a horrible attempt at AOR1 given that most developers screw the pooch there along with MARPAT (looking at you Ghost Recon). I actually enjoyed the game for the best part, and it did offer some interesting gameplay mechanics. But the AI was beyond bad and a couple of the missions were an absolute ballache and no fun so there was limited replay value in the campaign, and so it has sat on the shelf since completion. But it was cheap, and very quickly after release.
Actually Ghost Recon did that on purpose. Marpat is actually copywritten so in order to use it they needed USMC legal permission when Ghost recon first came out and I guess no one told them as long as the EGA isn't present in the design and the pixels are just slightly different it doesn't infringe on the USMC pattern copy write
@@JosephDawson1986 I'm well aware of the patent, which applies to production of physical material and making money from marketing it as MARPAT and not a digital reproduction in a video game. Nearly all of the camo patterns in Wildlands are off, including M81 woodland and both DCU and 6 colour desert. None of which have patent issues. All patterns in GR:W are too bright, it's supposed to look more worn the longer you wear something but I can't say it ever really made a difference (outside of weapon paint). I haven't played Breakpoint, but colours look a little more muted in general. But opinions seem to be that patterns are off there too. Most of the games published by Ubisoft are of a European influence in patterns, Division 2 bizarrely has a version of MTP as a substitute for Multicam for some reason, the UK MOD has a specific patent for that after paying Crye to design it. Yet Ubisoft used Multicam in GR. M81 woodland always looks like French CE, hardly a shock there. Different developer, different local influence on the teams. Camo in videogames is just hard to get right for a multitude of reasons, patent issues? I'm doubtful the Dept of the Navy cares.
@@destroydapacka well the Department of the Navy doesn't care one way or the other and there is no patent its a copywrite as in you cannuse the pattern but not with the EGA that is hidden in the patern like in real MARPAT. I was only referencing Ghost Recon the original version. I never noticed anything off about the color brightness myself but I played it in a dark room so every thing seemed brighter than usual. As for the patterns when I plahed I just assumed that ubisoft was a bunch of civilians who didn't know shit. Honestly knowing Tom Clancy, RIP, and his attwntion to the details I am surprised he let his name be attached.
@@JosephDawson1986 True, the patent covers the pattern and the EGA is 'technically' copyright as it's intellectual property. But your initial argument was they couldn't use MARPAT because of being 'copywritten'. It would have no bearing on usage, even you highlight that above. The EGA wouldn't be visible as it's not very visible in reality, and you could easily just call it digital desert if there was any concern. The USMC are selective when it comes to going after people for usage of the EGA (why I said 'technically'), it's on a bazillion products all over the place and they have no issue but I do remember devildoggamer catching shit and being forced to remove the EGA from his YT logo a few years back. So no issue with joe shmoe making money from it, but criticise the Corps for the constant fuck fuck games and not being what the recruiter sold you and giving a realistic impression, not so much. Ghost Recon came out years before MARPAT was even on the horizon for issue in 2003, and IIRC there was never any ability to select gear let alone camo patterns. Not sure what you are getting at here? I'm showing my age there! Tom Clancy gave less fucks about the video games than the Dept of the Navy does! He was great on writing about large sized elements, ORBAT and breaking down the TOE, but I don't think he was a geardo. Ubisoft are, by and large are indeed a bunch of people who don't know shit. At least they are these days. But the focus, and reality of GR has long shifted. It pisses me off the Clancy name is still attached to The Division family of games, D2 is just a bullshit mix of sci-fi and skins straight out of Fortnite now.
I still fire up the 360 to play this and the Afghan one. Still brilliant shooters and a lot better than call of duty for realism. I wish theyd make it backwards compatible tho and give it a enhancement
Damn this game was amazing. It sucks that it was destroyed the way it was. It was super glitchy and full of bugs online. But I wish they would bring it back.
