Company Heroes Unit Review- How Strong Are They in Codex Space Marines ? 

i was actually surprised that this kit isnt >100€

If only it still had an apothecary

It's like 98 in Australia :(

@@guardsmenmrdew4286that’s not horrid for aus much better than heavy intercessors

Gonna make me buy bladeguard to get the lion? Jokes on you, that's 3 HQs now

I was expecting them to have a rule that made the captain's ability work in an aura like how it does for the hive tyrant which would have been interesting. I think GW doesn't understand how people use characters in 10th. It's like they assume we pick the character we want to take, then choose a unit to buff them not the other way around.

Yeah they're kinda pointless now. The only command squad that makes sense is the Deathwing Terminator one because it's threatening on its own, so a character only adds to it

I still think they canned an SM Codex 2.0 in late 9th edition when they saw that their schedule had been messed up beyond recovery by COVID - Guard and WE ended up being released mere months before 10th edition hit, and either the SM 2.0 would have been even closer than that, or it would have _pushed_ Guard/WE even closer than that (which in hindsight, given the outcry about them as-is, would have been Not Optimal(tm)). The rumors were all there about it for a fair while, and then they released SM army boxes with no apparent rhyme nor reason. If some of these releases had been planned for late 9th edition, then you might be right.

@@tigirus4656 Making that part of the ancients ability would be pretty cool.

@@tigirus4656it would also be interesting if they worked like cryptothrals , where they join as part of a different unit

plus, that's 4 dudes +Kor'Sarro + a bladeguard LT for even more/harder melee damage, if you want to either blend meq or give teq a hard time (at least before the teq strikes back).

Yup good point. They are vets afterall.

It would also work if they did the same thing as cryptothrals

Maybe its because they want Space Wolves be able to use this unit.

There's no reason you can't add an apothecary and a captain to this unit.

@@boozeybatman Sadly, it's not on the list of units an Apothecary can join. A Captain can (and, in fact, pretty much has to or teh unit dies!) but an Apothecary can't be. I'm hoping that they'll errata that, just for me.

Totally agree. Since as it stand this unit is only good at being a captain bodyguard, being able to add an apothecary would make sens.

@@boozeybatmanRAW, you could, except looking at the list of units the Apothecary can join, and the list of characters that CH says can lead it, they don’t have the other’s unit name listed. Probably because of the Apothecary’s rule. I doubt it’s an oversight like the Dark Angels characters not being able to join+lead a command squad

Apothecaries can only be attached to certain units already and unless they update that list they won't be able to join this new unit.

could prob use the champ and 2 vets to extend a sternguard squad too.

Yup, as it stand this thing looks like a wonky discount for ancient and captain, with 3 bodies you could use for other units.

Yeah thats what I was going to use them for. And they are great looking models too

Still charging as much as they would for a kit with three frames though, don’t you worry!

Word

Cry babies started whining about how complicated the game was, so now we get no more wargear points and wargear options

I think there is some benefit to NMNR, I was sick of GW slapping a bunch of Datasheets in a codex with no legitimate way to field them either because they don't make the models anymore or they haven't even got around to making them yet. As a long time primary tyranid player, that sucked.

People don’t remember how annoying it was to learn your unit had a strictly better build only to realize that there was no way to actually build those options without buying another kit or the upgrade sprue had been discontinued three years ago by forge world

Yessir

And they all get the -1 damage. So those become some tough guards

... have you ever seen a "classic, oldschool, typical command squad"? If you ever had, you'd realize this is nothing like that.

@@Pers0n97 Yeah I know that the Apothecary is missing and other stuff, but this is as close as we will get.

@@40kVallin Oh... so you really don't know wtf you are talking about.

@@Pers0n97 Dude I play this game for 20 years now. Yes I know how the previous command squad looked like. And no I don´t bother to remember every single detail. I know that the champion used a blade and a small parrier shield. That we had a banner and an apothecary, as well as special weapons and such. So you happy now that you know soooo much more than I do? Here have some internet points for it.

@@40kVallinYeah... I don't believe you. Every single things you have said so far sounds like the exact kind of thing a poser culture vulture would say, down to this very last and cringy attempt at pretending "I played for 20 years". Even the fact that you keep bringing up apothecary and specifically the apothecary, when it's a point many have brought up in the comment, tells me you have no idea wtf you are talking about and are just repeating what you think will look convincing. This thing is 4 monopose minies. 1 guy with a bolter, one guy with a heavy bolter, a champion and an ancient. The old command squad was about bundling together all the characters into... yknow, a command squad. Then it evolved into bundling together a bunch of specialist each with a unique look and role in the chapter to broadcast buff the army. This thing GW dropped on us is nothing, NOTHING like that outside of the fact that it has a guy with a banner. Now stop posing, it's embarrassing for both of us when you try to establish you fake up creds by bringing up old minies you clearly never touched, especially when it's to praise the toxic sludge GW is pumping out.

That ie exactly how I assumed they would work, and the reason I aimed to buy some. Now I know that isn't how they work, I don't see what the point is.

tell that to the eldar, but I agree, I like them for this too

What modern marines need is more flexible units, and this pile of monopose, no wargear jank isn't that.

I don't quite get what you mean in your last sentence. Ventris doesn't give free strats and Calgar can generate CP perfectly fine while in Deep Strike.

@@macewindu4428 Marneus does not generate CP whilst in reserves.

@@UltraMeanMarines Edit: Guess I'm wrong. I didn't realize his ability needs him to be "on the battlefield". I suppose reserves units don't fall under that. Very much so, he wouldn't if he was in a transport but there is nothing stopping characters or units from using their abilities while in reserves. Rules Commentary: Reserves Units: Any unit that starts the battle in a location other than the battlefield, and is not embarked within a Transport that starts the battle on the battlefield, is considered to be a Reserves unit. When a Reserves unit is set up on the battlefield, it counts as having made a Normal move that phase. Any Reserves units that have not been set up on the battlefield by the end of the battle count as destroyed. *Units can still use rules and abilities while in Reserves.*

maybe add some optional attachments to demarcate difference on the sprue, like trygon vs trygon prime. Upgrade kits like noise marines are a possibility but they are always overcosted, considering you get no new models, and another unnecessary inconvenience.

Grey knight troops are a great example of this

Sisters are a great example of why not to do it. It works for Marines, where hundreds of years of combat experience can justify a major jump in abilities. Less so for others.

@@adept5500 dude thats a hard larp. I would say veteran guardsmen would be more lethal than marines.

@@jazzy4830 definitly

I was trying to work this out and couldn't come up with a reason attach Calgar. Rather run him with Aggressors. Still going to pick the kit up on a discount.

Great idea. Also, notice how everyone positive about this unit used the word "fun", everyone down on it is unhappy because it can't kill double its points cost every turn! Sad times.

@@georgeflecknell GTFO. There is nothing fun in that unit. People like the models and the idea of a command squad, but this unit does a shit job at fulfilling the fantasy of a command squad.

GW just totally ignored cool nuance like Iron Halo for a while. They just use it as "cute little armor detail" now.

The restrictions are on the character datasheets. Lieutenants are able to, but only in addition to a captain/ CM I believe.

@@auspextactics Ah I see, the new datasheets for captains etc have "company heroes" in their attachable units? Darn, was hoping to run them with helbrecht. I've recently switched to BT. I've ordered these company heroes but honestly I don't know how/if I can even use them effectively. More of a rule of cool unit. Thanks for getting back to me!

I just bought 6 Bladeguard, 10 Sword Brethren and 20 Crusaders in the past few months. I'm still slaying the gray at the moment, and I just feel they're redundant. Cool project some day, maybe?

@@RSBurgener For BT Helbrecht would rather be with Sword Brethren, maybe a Marshal could work with them, but feel like as you say other units are better.

@@RSBurgener I feel that! My lovely girlfriend recently bought me some Squighogs so that'll be my Orktober this year.

@@reaver102102 and I think you'd have to work at keeping them from looking like Ultramarine models too. They're great for Imperial Fists, just not the Sigusmund variety.

astares servitors are no longer a thing

Yeah, I was hoping they would be a retinue, so you could attach the captain and company heroes to a Sternguard or Bladeguard squad.

I don't think the unit is confused at all, it's a versatile short to mid range unit, with damage that is low-medium meant for killing troops. Nothing about it screams massive melee threat or massive ranged threat, but it's sturdy for it's points and could fly under the radar a bit in the midfield. I like it because most characters that fall under Captain or Chapter Master have a good ranged and melee weapons, and fit the unit theme very well. If you put a special character in hellblasters, you'll never get the use out of their good melee profile etc. I think the unit is set up this way so the versatile datasheet of it's leader can shine.

That's part of the apothacary datasheet rules. So it'll be listed on there if they can join it.

Apothecaries can't revive any characters and they are all characters. so there's no use for him anyway I guess.

Well apothecary can be attached instead of a lieutenant with a captain or chapter master now so no reason why you couldn't run them that way. I just tend to like my apothecary now with hellblasters

Me too I was thinking this or lazerus