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Comparison: How to (not) play the opening of Mozart's Fantasia in D minor K 397 

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Eight pianists play the first eleven bars of the Fantasia in D minor, K. 397/385g composed by W.A. Mozart.
1. Claudio Arrau 0:08
2. Friedrich Gulda 0:58
3. Wanda Landowska 1:32
4. Glenn Gould 2:18
5. Ernst Levy 3:17
6. Emil Gilels 4:09
7. John Ogdon 5:25
8. Kristian Bezuidenhout 5:58

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@echorrhea
@echorrhea 7 лет назад
I think the people that are applauding Gould's approach because he "plays as he likes it" or whatever completely miss the pianist's point. Gould wasn't playing Mozart to please anyone or really even himself. In fact, he himself didn't like Mozart's music at all. He once opined that the composer's greatest problem wasn't that he died too young, but that he died far past his sell-by date. Properly understood, Gould's achievement here is less about interpretation as one normally understands it and more about delivering a kind of running commentary on what makes Mozart's music deficient in his view. Taken as such his approach, though utterly perverse, is also illuminating and highly original. My tastes in Mozart tends to run towards Gieseking, Moravec, Landowska, and Kraus if we're talking about straight listening. But I can't think of another pianist that provokes one to think-indeed, rouse to argue-over these sonatas the way Gould so memorably does.
@pianopera
@pianopera 7 лет назад
Gould's Mozart is nothing more than a brilliant travesty...
@ksabella4432
@ksabella4432 7 лет назад
Nicely said.
@ksabella4432
@ksabella4432 7 лет назад
I agree with Gould when it comes to Mozart, btw.
@galinfranklin4747
@galinfranklin4747 7 лет назад
The only thing I agree with is the utter perversity of Gould's playing. You and others have been abjectly deceived by the Gould legend. Far from being a genius, Gould is classical music's 60's zeitgeist, that is, a petulant child posing as a penetrating iconoclast. How utterly ridiculous to play music as if you had knowledge superior to that of the composer himself about what the composer truly wanted to express. I suspect his antipathy towards Mozart is the trash talk of a charlatan competing with a true wunderkind. But if is his playing of Mozart is vexatious, try listening to his Bach. Makes you want to blow your cookies.
@ksabella4432
@ksabella4432 7 лет назад
Personally, I think Bach would love Gould's playing and would appreciate someone of genius (not of equal genius, but genius nonetheless) bringing a new and original approach to his music. Bach was a forward thinking person, who was happy to break the rules in service of the music. And by the way, bringing a new approach to music doesn't imply that you think you have superior knowledge - what a strange thing to think. It's called interpretation - all great musicians interpret. If you think his interpretation takes it too far away from Bach's intention, then say so and provide an argument! That's a valid case to make, though not one I agree with. Name calling doesn't bring anything to the conversation. Nor does presuming that anyone who likes Gould has been deceived by his legend or that it is limited to a 60s zeitgeist. I had no idea of Gould's legend when I first heard him play - I was immediately enthralled intellectually and viscerally moved. To me his playing allowed me to hear Bach's polyphony in new ways and, therefore, appreciate it all the move. Gould is not for everyone. But in my humble opinion he creates a conversation between Bach and the modern world that is like nothing else. Is is what Bach had in mind? Of course not - he lived in the 17th and 18th centuries. But if I could bring Bach to our time, I think listening to Gould play would provide for him a sense of the age - not just the sixties (And by the way, really?! a petulant child?! Who are you talking about Gould? He was surely odd, to say the least, but petulant child? Or did you mean the 60's zeitgeist? Hippies, maybe. I get that. But the 60's were a bit more than hippies, don't you think?") but also of the of the late 20th century and beyond. And as for Mozart, I can't speak for Gould but for me it's a matter of taste. I love his quartets, especially the last four. I also admire his Requiem and a few other select works. But on the whole, a bit "let them eat cake for me." But I guess you dig that sort of thing since you seem to prefer music as museum and are so clearly on the side of "the man." :)
@Davscomur
@Davscomur 11 лет назад
Gould would be so pleased to know that he is still exciting controversy 30 years after his death.
@MontoyaMatrix
@MontoyaMatrix 6 лет назад
Yes, but at the risk of distorting thoughtful music and turning it into sensationalism. Even his mumbling (LOUDLY) over his performances is a reminder that its' all about HIM. But, ho-hum, at least he's gives more than John Cage. That's SOMETHING. Gould was awesome, but should always be taken with at least TWO grains of salt: one for the composer, and one for yourself. I leave NOTHING to Glen Gould. No listener should have to be ROBBED of their attention.
@tulelazule6914
@tulelazule6914 3 года назад
the earnest American approach
@galeritaelenora
@galeritaelenora 3 года назад
Thank you, Glenn! Your Mozart drives me to Bach! After reading all these comments, it's obvious Glenn Gould is The Man. Love or not, he is the inspiration. His Mozart drives me to Bach and there's nothing wrong with that! Thank you, Glen!
@glenngouldschair390
@glenngouldschair390 2 года назад
@@galeritaelenora No one can say that Glenn didn’t have a mind of his own, certainly. His Mozart recordings are pretty good.
@vuvietdung1996
@vuvietdung1996 2 года назад
Yeah, and he wasnt a pop or rock or movie star :D
@danali45
@danali45 11 лет назад
I have to agree Landowska is by far the most beautiful. She has a golden touch. I did not know this recording, and will look for it :)
@Generic12312
@Generic12312 9 лет назад
The beauty of music is that it can be played in as many different ways as the emotions the artist is capable of feeling and expressing. The same piece of music can be sad or happy depending on how it is played, or it can be curious, optimistic, angry, passionate etc etc. I love how music is so flexible and dynamic. The best part is that many of the most amazing pieces were written in a time when it was impossible to make an audible record of how the artist originally intended it to be played. I think this has given rise to such an amazingly wide variety of musicians each unique and wonderful in their own ways. Wonderful, don't you think? :)
@MusicalMissCapri
@MusicalMissCapri 7 лет назад
An excellent comment. :)
@yuiop987
@yuiop987 2 года назад
I like your comment, really. There are as many renditions as many musicians. But still there is the text and we have got to respect it. When Mozart was writing it he meant something and the musician has to play it as Mozart meant it to be. May be I am wrong, but I feel that many of the examples that were depicted here sound as a perversion. 😄
@bathtubbarracuda2581
@bathtubbarracuda2581 5 лет назад
Bezuidenhout gets bonus points for performing on a period instrument and embracing the Mozartian style of improvisation, something which most performers seem to forget.
@josephhapp9
@josephhapp9 Год назад
He is a period style instrumentalist,,,??? And what does he Improvise?
@lesturner9849
@lesturner9849 7 лет назад
All beautiful in their unique ways...musical interpretations are like fingerprints.
@TonusFabri2024
@TonusFabri2024 6 лет назад
Instructive. When I first learned this piece, not having much experience with Mozart, I played it like Beethoven - "the rude aggressive approach" to the first section (I'd rather call it "Sturm und Drang"), and plenty of rubato & tempo variations. I've learned to moderate my interpretation since then. Since "Fantasia" in Mozart's time implies a sense of being improvised, even Gould's idiosyncratic approach is justifiable - and so are all the others! I think I like Arrau the best, but I also like Levy's "terraced dynamics" (which is how I play it); but on a Tuesday I might prefer Landowska....
@Satlok47
@Satlok47 5 лет назад
This is the best comment about music interpretation I've ever read
@TheMisterGriswold
@TheMisterGriswold 2 года назад
Listened to dozens of interpretations before coming here, and had already settled on Claudio Arrau as my model.
@pianoshaman2807
@pianoshaman2807 7 лет назад
The first recording I heard of Mozart's fantasy was Gould's, so I set that as a model. When I hear others, it felt wrong, and felt rushed.
@diogenes2763
@diogenes2763 3 года назад
También yo, pero me estoy acostumbrando ❤
@scotthullinger4684
@scotthullinger4684 Год назад
The example of the performance presented as the "eccentric's approach" (Glenn Gould's) seems to me to be a very anticipatory introduction to the composition, which leaves me begging to hear the entire piece of music. Rather amazing for an artist who surely did not consider Mozart among the greatest of composers.
@gustafmarcus3898
@gustafmarcus3898 2 года назад
The "do you know the alla breve sign" approach.
@bruceanderson5538
@bruceanderson5538 7 лет назад
Thank you pianopera. This is a wrenching from my harbor of smug happiness. I am suddenly wondering just what the hell I do like...but truthfully, first and foremost my desire is to know the composer's mindsetting. Phew! now I'm at sea.
@erniemajor
@erniemajor 2 года назад
I played this for years and was never comfortable with the opening. In this case I really like Emil Gilels phantasmagoric sound as if it is all 'memories' and faded dreams. I like it because of the contrast with what is to come. In fact, I just sold my piano but now I think I shall rent one for awhile to try this again.
@KarMa-lx6oq
@KarMa-lx6oq 6 лет назад
Landowska: AH, my ears. THAT TUNING TOOK MEH BY SURPRISE.
@spacevspitch4028
@spacevspitch4028 6 лет назад
Landowska's is particularly gorgeous 😍
@albertibass6521
@albertibass6521 6 лет назад
Each one of these remarkable pianists were and are better than I will ever be, but where in Mozart's transcription indicate to soak the introduction down with sustain? Gould was the only one who refrained from using the damper, and finger-pedaled the notes he wanted to sustain, making his interpretation more authentic than many people give him credit for, through those staccato notes in the middle of the phrases was interesting to say the least. I was fine with the differences in tempo (it's a fantasy, after all,) because it's andante (walking) which is a pretty general term. If it's Bach, it's Gould and Schiff. For Beethoven, it's Brendel and Gilels. For Mozart, it's Pollini imho.
@ekklesiast
@ekklesiast 2 года назад
The sustain pedal as we know it today didn't exist when Mozart was alive. We can only assume that using the damper brings out Mozart's actual intention that he couldn't implement with the instruments he had. Gould's interpretation sounds robotic, lifeless, empty.
@laurent7549
@laurent7549 Год назад
Je ne suis pas d'accord. je préfère écouter Gould jouer les variations Goldberg que de jouer Mozart. Quoi que sa manière de jouer la fantaisie K475, une autre oeuvre de Mozart, est très intéressante , je dois dire que sur cette fantaisie, ce n'est pas plus authentique. C'est original mais sans plus.
@dougcarlson1369
@dougcarlson1369 3 года назад
I enjoyed Levy's approach. I was taught that if notes (or phrases) repeat, that they should be played differently the second time. Maybe his approach is a bit extreme, but I enjoyed this interpretation much more than the ones that just decided to play it faster or slower.
@newyorkguy158
@newyorkguy158 4 года назад
This is a piece that I love. It's the romantic side of Mozart and I think anticipates romanticism, or simply reflects the fact that Mozart was a flesh and blood human being. The only performances of the introduction that convince me are the Landowska and the Levy. I'm not familiar with Levy but would be interested to hear more of his playing. These two alone seem to me to get beneath the surface of the music. Even in these few bars they seem to have a conception of the music which will lead them to a very satisfying interpretation. I don't have a strong feeling that the others have an understanding of the music which will lead to an interpretation rather than note playing.
@andreasandreotti4492
@andreasandreotti4492 2 года назад
Brilliant, that anyone can express it his own way!
@ViolinistExtraordinaire
@ViolinistExtraordinaire 4 года назад
Bezuidenhout becomes the piece. And it’s never the same. Plus, he’s playing on the closest instrument to what Mozart had, at that time. There’s no comparison, in my opinion..he understands the music on a level that is post-20th century...
@cziffra-eg9st
@cziffra-eg9st 6 лет назад
Gilels is by far the best here. Although Levy is intriguing and Landowska is beautiful
@pianopera
@pianopera 11 лет назад
For this particular fragment, I prefer Landowska...
@knutknutson7266
@knutknutson7266 6 лет назад
I liked Wanda Landowska's the best. Makes me want to hear more of her playing.
@alger3041
@alger3041 9 лет назад
Based on the different readings I'm hearing here, I would say that Claudio Arrau comes closest to my own ideas of what this should sound like, but I can't speak for others.
@MrPaulOfield
@MrPaulOfield 7 лет назад
Great opinion, btw! Each person can feel it in a diferent way, although all of them played it properly...
@charlottewhyte9804
@charlottewhyte9804 6 лет назад
like the last one best
@MrFpam
@MrFpam 11 лет назад
Gould famously declared that he didn't like Mozart, so I don't know why he bothered to play his music, unless it was, as you say ,to intentionally distort it beyond recognition.
@pascalebertier1653
@pascalebertier1653 6 лет назад
He said that he didn't like ALL of Mozart (e.g. die Zauberflötte) .... But I cannot imagine someone as Gould intentionally distorting and mocking music. That's doesn't suit his love for music, his respect for listeners and his radiant and benevolent personnality., imha..
@calebhu6383
@calebhu6383 3 года назад
@@pascalebertier1653 Maybe his recording of Beethoven's Appassionata will change your mind. This was a piece that he also famously hated.
@scoubidu2133
@scoubidu2133 2 года назад
@@pascalebertier1653 Mozart and Schubert are best examples of musicians born with music within themselves. All they had to do was organise a bit and let it pour out. Gould is a musician with penetrating intellect but no original music of his own. He kept attempting to become a composer but did not succeed, so boy, did it rankle, especially when faced with composers like Mozart, Schubert, or Chopin. So he does what he does best - he re-creates. Like some of our movie directors who re-created Rigoletto, La Bohême, etc. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. At best, it always stirs controversy and morbid interest. At worst, it is plagiarism of the most reprehensive type.
@ilainmoe1921
@ilainmoe1921 2 года назад
@@scoubidu2133 many agree that it's harder to be an interpreter than a composer. so yeah, it might be more impressive to write the sheets yourself like the greatest composers of all time, but it's not as engaging as capturing the best interpretation of them. Gould had his very personal approach, precision and a sensitivity which I've never witnessed anywhere else. he magnified Bach's pieces which are amongst the wisest music of all times. I find it to be a much bigger legacy than him being a composer at his time...
@Ian-ky5hf
@Ian-ky5hf Год назад
@@scoubidu2133 so he was a bitter ahold who hated composers for being immensely talented!
@ああふになりたい
@ああふになりたい 6 лет назад
Gould emphasizes the two horizontal lines of the left hand (the little finger and the thumb) to produce a new dimension of counterpoint out of Mozart.
@norbertmanthey5911
@norbertmanthey5911 2 года назад
My favorite is the Version of Alfred Brendel, which is not included.
@yuiop987
@yuiop987 2 года назад
I am not a professional musician and I play it in my own romantic manner. And I like it. For me, Daniil Trifinov's rendition is the best one.
@laurent7549
@laurent7549 Год назад
Gilels is fantastic i love his opening very emotional.
@GSHAPIROY
@GSHAPIROY Год назад
The point of the opening is not to be emotional. Save that for the Adagio melody that occurs a little later on. The opening is marked Andante for a reason.
@yasmimminsay9279
@yasmimminsay9279 7 лет назад
all of them are superb - the melody is supernatural - divine - l love it annyway................
@MrPaulOfield
@MrPaulOfield 7 лет назад
Val O'Brien Does she/he need to play to understand the beauty beneath the interpretations on this video? Are you the law? The magnificent creator of taste or music? Or are you one of those gullibles who think they are right because they play a piece always in the same way? Music is music, vibrations, it doesnt matter what Mozart felt as much as what anyone can feel when playing or listening to the sheet. And by the way, get yourself some art understanding and a bit of education (even if you where restrained at your comment).
@pascallefebvre196
@pascallefebvre196 6 лет назад
MrPaulOfield Couldn't agree more. Isn't art a way to express your emotions through a passion? This is what they are doing. I'm sure if Beethoven would've played this while being deaf, it would be probably fast and dramatic, because his emotions are more intense and sad than someone else. Anyway, I think they all have an interesting version to offer and it's always nice to try different things rather than play the same way over and over again. (Btw, for anyone's concern, I do have a musical education ;) )
@MartinVanBoven
@MartinVanBoven 11 лет назад
Yup, those are also also my preferences. Actually nice to have a fragment that apparently some people are "unsure of how to play it" ;) - it's real music; it opens up so many fascinating possibilities for performers, and interesting interpretations.
@nikkitytom
@nikkitytom 10 лет назад
A fascinating glimpse into the myriad possibilities of performing a familiar piece of music At a certain level I would encourage all students to listen to this clip. Once the basics have been mastered, then comes the opportunity for the soul of a performer to share in the music. It is this sharing which makes it all worthwhile. Otherwise only the composer experiences true creativity. As a young pianist many years ago, the norm was a terrible rigidity and adherence to the written notation. Today thanks to performers like Gould and Gulda, we can participate. For better or worse, to be sure. But still it is a level of creativity classical performers were long denied.
@MusicalMissCapri
@MusicalMissCapri 7 лет назад
Exactly!
@veganazeri9535
@veganazeri9535 3 года назад
Glenn Gould is the Infinity Universe. He is so Amazing. Forever Love you Glenn Gould.
@m.a.3322
@m.a.3322 6 лет назад
I liked Bezuidenhout out of all of them.
@jcalli66
@jcalli66 7 лет назад
Well-done; thanks for posting. I like a lot of what Gulda does but wow, that is jarring.
@thomasaniseed696
@thomasaniseed696 10 лет назад
Landowska, by a long, long shot...
@Orientaliszt
@Orientaliszt 6 лет назад
If there are so many approaches to play this piece, it is also because of its mystical character leaving as its name suggests freedom to fantasy. In this direction Daniil Trifonov's interpretation is also original.
@gfweis
@gfweis 6 лет назад
Very interesting, thanks. I think more than one approach is effective, though it does seem this introduction works best when there's some pathos in it, which is difficult to achieve with a fast tempo. How different pianists handle what follows the introduction, the plaintive first theme of the adagio, is also fascinating. I myself love the 397 by Ingrid Haebler posted on youtube by pianushko on Aug. 15, 2013, whose url for some reason cannot be copied here.
@ILoveMagic15
@ILoveMagic15 6 лет назад
Bezuidenhout ftw!
@TB-ih7bg
@TB-ih7bg 7 лет назад
Fantastic video
@jimdubya5425
@jimdubya5425 9 лет назад
Hey... don't be hatin' on Gulda. I like him. He was a great pianist and I think he had a very good feel for Mozart. That's my opinion, and I know... everybody has one.
@lukasantos6991
@lukasantos6991 4 года назад
@Fester Blats you are an idiot
2 года назад
If you would like to hear/watch another version, I just uploaded the piece on my profile (not gonna spam here with link). I played it on 1879 Pleyel piano so the sound is somehow "half authentic"... And I used the opening motiv one more time at the end as a "closing repetition" (based on Mitsuko Uchida's rendition, but I extended it a bit further). I don't like the editor's kinda short-happy ending.
@Nodalema
@Nodalema 6 лет назад
Love this. Thanks!
@bach-ingmad9772
@bach-ingmad9772 9 лет назад
If a dozen artists were given paints and a canvas and taken out to a landscape and told to paint it, the same scene would be represented in twelve different ways. Each artist would draw attention to whatever caught their attention most and there would be a reflection of their personality and emotions at the time in the final piece. That does not make any one of them wrong, it adds interest and variety, which they say is the spice of life. Music is art and the performer is at liberty to play it as (s)he wishes. This does not necessarily mean one is right and another is wrong although some people may dislike a particular rendition. If it was set in stone that there was only one right way to play a piece, then only one recording would suffice and the world would be a duller place. Everyone should play from their heart, as they feel and interpret the piece, using the score in front of them as a guide but not striving to copy anyone else's ideas. Which of us actually heard Mozart play this anyway? So who has the authority th say what the definitive performance is? Before all else, if anyone is that bothered about tempo and style of playing, there are issues of pitch and temperament that should also be addressed!
@pianopera
@pianopera 9 лет назад
Your analogy of painters is not correct: these pianists don't create something new, they RE-create a piece of art that was composed centuries ago. That said, of course I agree there is still room for freedom, the piece can still be interpreted in a myriad ways. That's why a comparison video like this is quite interesting. In my opinion there is no such thing as a 'definitive' performance, but one can have strong preferences based on personal taste, knowledge and experience.
@bach-ingmad9772
@bach-ingmad9772 9 лет назад
I beg to differ with your view on the painters. They are re-creating a copy of the landscape in front of them, created some time previously by nature or humans by accident or design. The painter is showing what they perceive in front of them in my analogy and not imagining and creating something previously unknown. Likewise the pianist is not making a new composition but showing what they perceive in front of them on the music stand. I agree that the comparisons are interesting and there is no 'definitive' performance but that surely means the title 'How to (not) play.......' is possibly flawed.
@pianopera
@pianopera 9 лет назад
Bach-ing mad We'll have to agree to disagree: these painters don't "copy", they *create* a personal, new and unique view of the landscape, thus making a *new* piece of art (more or less successful). The musicians have a piece of music that was already conceived and written down -- by a genius. As for the title: like I said, it's all about personal preferences. The listener is free to choose his/her favourite version, even if it's never completely perfect. One can argue that Mozart's music is better than any possible interpretation of it. Most people would agree though that Gould's version is a mockery and a parody.
@Number1unknown
@Number1unknown 9 лет назад
Bach-ing mad Both of you made some good points.
@iianneill6013
@iianneill6013 7 лет назад
Perhaps a closer analogy to music is acting. Everyone who plays Hamlet is reciting the same lines, but each performer constructs an internal logic to their idea of Hamlet that dictates their inflection of the words. You might object that literary notation is less precise than music -- which is true -- and that actors can freely add silences, change rhythms, etc., where musicians are bound to the score. But that is not entirely true: some of the great 19th century pianists believed it was the prerogative of the pianist to change dynamics, tempo and rhythm at the dictates of their musical instincts. Taken too far this of course leads to subjective chaos; but interpreting a score too literally also has negative effects.
@d60944
@d60944 11 лет назад
Can we get a comparison like this for the C Minor fantasy, including Taneyev's version? In these ones here, my favourite is Landowska, by a rather long way. And Bezuidenhout second (who does a similar thing to Levy) even if he is a bit mannered in his delaying of downbeats. Without the silly overkill dynamics, I would have put Levy first though... his tempi seem very well judged.
@rami1590
@rami1590 10 месяцев назад
Nice to compare those champions! Actually i really like the 3 and the 5! Means something for them. And for me.
@vuvietdung1996
@vuvietdung1996 2 года назад
I have nearly no taste in music, so i try to appreciate every performance, and GG is among my top tier whatever. I hear GG because of TB. He did write sth like i hear Mozart in the way i wanna hear him, against those had artistic sense.
@mp-dd7pn
@mp-dd7pn 9 лет назад
@ berlinzerberus >Die Introduktion zur Fantasie gehört nicht zu den Mozartschen Kostbarkeiten. Sie klingt so, als habe der Meister ein paar belanglose Takte aus einem Bach-Präludium kopiert und an den Anfang gesetzt.< Das ist Unsinn! Sie haben sicher nicht bemerkt, dass im Andante das Adagio-Thema verborgen ist! ;-)
@ghmus7
@ghmus7 4 года назад
This is a really cool video, thanks for the work!!
@saphiehashtiany7735
@saphiehashtiany7735 4 года назад
Thank you for this introguing complication. For me Arau and Landowska!
@JohanBesterphotos
@JohanBesterphotos 7 лет назад
No 2, Friedrich Gulda's rendition is what it takes. Brutal. What follows is a wonderful contrast of heavenly beauty . . .
@MrFpam
@MrFpam 11 лет назад
Thank you for this very clear presentation. The descriptions are not entirely dispassionate or unbiased, but at least we can all make up our minds as to which we prefer. Personally I think the eccentric version is the least satisfactory.
@mp-dd7pn
@mp-dd7pn 9 лет назад
Of course this is "Andante" and "Alla breve" - each interpreter should have noted this before even starting. But it would also have been very interesting to hear in which tempo - or tempo relationship - the following Adagio is played! IMHO the halves of the Andante become the quarters of the Adagio - THAT makes sense ... I like Wanda Landowskas approach ...
@Misteribel
@Misteribel 2 года назад
Some editions, already in Mozart’s time, had ‘alla breve’ (cut time), others, including the oldest surviving one, iirc, are in ‘common time’ (4/4). My edition, for instance, simply has common time. If you check imslp, it seems that roughly half are common time, the rest alla breve.
@Felix_Li_En
@Felix_Li_En 6 лет назад
Gulda made it just like something that Richard Clayderman usually played ! 😁
@bayreuth79
@bayreuth79 2 года назад
For me Uchida’s version is the best (not represented here).
@berlinzerberus
@berlinzerberus 11 лет назад
Die Introduktion zur Fantasie gehört nicht zu den Mozartschen Kostbarkeiten. Sie klingt so, als habe der Meister ein paar belanglose Takte aus einem Bach-Präludium kopiert und an den Anfang gesetzt. Meistens weiß man nicht, wie man sie spielen soll, streng im Bachschen Modus oder eher romantisch mit einigem Rubato. Ich glaube, dass dies der Grund für Glenns Karikatur ist. Ich bin mir manchmal nicht so sicher, ob Mozart SELBST diese Einleitung so ernst genommen hat.Das Thema ist jedoch wunderbar.
@pascalebertier1653
@pascalebertier1653 7 лет назад
Many thanks for the video that's so precious and full of teachings. The only one I don't like that much is Ogdon's interpretation.
@pascalebertier1653
@pascalebertier1653 6 лет назад
3, 4 , 6 , 8... I love Gulda, but not that much here (Andante! ) ... Many thanks for the video :)
@pascalebertier1653
@pascalebertier1653 6 лет назад
And 5 is very nice too; gives an interesting perspective.
@ferguscullen8451
@ferguscullen8451 3 года назад
Mme. Landowska wins. Levy's approach to dynamics and rubato is very nice. It sounds great, in the last example, on the instrument for which it was written: no surprise there. What was Ogdon thinking? His tempo messes up the architecture of the whole piece. Thanks for an interesting video!
@NejatMolla
@NejatMolla 5 лет назад
You telling me NOT to play like these? You can't tell me what to do. I'm gonna learn to play this piece, and i'm gonna make sure i am able to do the intro all 8 of these styles. And most of them are good what's the problem anyway?
@hamamabelis
@hamamabelis 7 лет назад
What a very nice clip; thanks! (though the framgment is a bit short...) Hmmm, let me see: if I had all 8 renditions at hand, which one(s) would I take with me to Paradise Island? Don't care much for Emil Gilels: too slow, too careful. Nor John Ogden: way too fast; sounds hurried even. Funny: this may be just because the movie Amadeus left me with a portait of a vibrant, even brass young man - not a philosopher, nor someone trying to clear the stage as quickly as possible. Stupid to let such associations control my taste but there you have it. In two other cases personality considerations influence my listening ear, but now it is the pianist: I am a fan of Glenn Gould and might listen to his version several times, but more to discover what he wanted to say then to enjoy the music, I fear. For Gulda, too, I've always had great sympathy and some of his Mozart renderings (one here on youtube) I like better then anyone else's (incl. Horrowiz, Perahia, Bahrenboim - sadly missing here). But in this case I think the 'announcement' is right: it does sound (too) agressive. Can it be there is another recording of this piece by Gulda or is my memory playing tricks? Four down, four to go. Levy's approach is 'interesting' but in my ears it sounds a bit contrived though; would'nt take it with me to paradise island. But then Landowska. Infinitely subtle and beautiful; probably my favourite version on, say, the day my cat had died. Arrao. What can I say but that it's a 'balanced approach'? Much as I appreciate fancy cooking every now and then, for daily use I prefer the good home made stew since it never, never bores me. Definitely I'd take Mr. Arrao's sculpture with me to paradise island. But I'd be looking hard in my bag if there was place for just one more and if so i would be for Bezuidenhout's version; in fact, his renditions on the fortepiano have been a revelation to me, something really fresh and bold and dynamic without any hint of 'making a statement' (like Gould) or contrivance (like Levy) or exaggeration (like Gilels or Ogden). I'm done. They say there's no accounting for taste, but I happen to think that at least trying to account for taste makes for the most amusing conversations so please comment.
@pianopera
@pianopera 7 лет назад
Interesting comment, but...Ogden, Arrao, Horrowiz, Bahrenboim? Who are they?
@mabelvanasperen218
@mabelvanasperen218 7 лет назад
Thanks for pointng out my spelling mistakes. Ogdon, Arrau, Horowitz, Barenboim would have been better.
@ashleynorman6339
@ashleynorman6339 7 лет назад
I bet if Mozart were alive he would say they were all wrong!
@pianopera
@pianopera 7 лет назад
Probably you are right!
@charlotterose6724
@charlotterose6724 6 лет назад
Or perhaps, he would have grinned and said they were all right!
@kiren3168
@kiren3168 6 лет назад
@@charlotterose6724 very unlikely. No lol
@kojikondo4347
@kojikondo4347 5 лет назад
They are all really scarce ... It is necessary to play with decency.
@123must
@123must 11 лет назад
Very interesting ! Thanks
@riccardoplati5902
@riccardoplati5902 7 лет назад
It's funny how for all of these pianists there is someone who "agree" with them, but the only one who must be criticized everytime is Gould.. Probably the major genius.
@MusicalMissCapri
@MusicalMissCapri 7 лет назад
I know, that irritates the heck out of me too. Like I said in the above, he was a fine performer, with Bach being his forte.
@ludwigvanbeethoven7192
@ludwigvanbeethoven7192 7 лет назад
Gould was heavily influenced by Bach and performed everything as, "Bach." No genius in taking the Baroque style and adding it to every piece of music written.
@frankfeldman6657
@frankfeldman6657 7 лет назад
Hahaha. But of course you're just saying that because Gould appeals to YOU.
@remon563
@remon563 7 лет назад
this is just not true. While I can understand the logic behind your thinking it shows a lack of understanding of the person yet most of all the composer Glenn Gould. His way of playing is not in the slightest just playing a post Baroque piece in " the Baroque style ". Gould's musical intelligence and technique goes far beyond most people can even think of. Please realize that Gould was not a pianist by mind. He played the pieces "his way' as if he was the composer... because he actually had a similar ability. This is why his recordings contain such extreme interesting "temperament/emotion" mainly interpreted as dynamic/tempo/rubato playing which most people are not used to hearing. I would advice you take a listen to Gould's string quartet to hear his incredible skill as a composer, it might help understand the pianist better if you understand the composer first. His recordings of late romatinc/modern composers are adviced as well; Scriabin, Hindemith, Berg.
@Melchiorblade7
@Melchiorblade7 7 лет назад
I like Gould's version the best
@supertortoise3000
@supertortoise3000 11 лет назад
Yes but GG also said Scarlatti was not worth it, so it proves he should not always be a referrence. But there is one thing great in what he did : he showed the links between composers like Schoenberg, and Bach (baut it is true he was not the first to do so). And it is great he played Schoenberg.
@francescaemc2
@francescaemc2 6 лет назад
Loved Gould and Gilels!
@michaelierace2317
@michaelierace2317 4 года назад
Gould is just spoofing - I can imagine it with that hopping Minah bird from the Looney Tunes cartoon. haha I'm gathering by your intro you don't like Ogdon. He clearly doesn't go for pathos, but I don't mind it as a free style warm up. Haven't heard the rest, not sure how it works in the big picture.
@asterius4271
@asterius4271 3 года назад
Play it as you want to, to please yourself not others, but if you want to argue about which is more 'accurate' for Mozart here, I'd say Gilels, because it's the closest to an Andante. Trifonov also plays it like this if you want a modern interpretation.
@scoubidu2133
@scoubidu2133 2 года назад
Boy, you guys. are really enjoying yourselves playing Jury at a Piano Competition.
@alkishadjinicolaou5831
@alkishadjinicolaou5831 9 месяцев назад
For me the last is my preferred one..
@artlm2002
@artlm2002 3 года назад
While interesting, one shouldn’t try to judge them against each other. The introduction is just that - a set-up for what follows, and it’s only in context that any sort of judgment can be make.
@astronomo16
@astronomo16 5 лет назад
I wouldn't say that Gulda's performance is rude and less agressive... he's trying to find something for fun, according with his personality, and I think that considering that Mozart was as well a funny guy, he probably would choose him as the best candidate
@theartofhands7479
@theartofhands7479 6 лет назад
My master always said that the intro must be played fast. I played this into a theatre this way... and is a lot faster than all versions in this video
@stalkerspredators
@stalkerspredators 9 лет назад
Glenn Gould's rendition can be hardly considered the funneist should you be botherd to listen to the full version At first , especially the beginning sounds rather bewildering, but the more you listen to to it the more you get taken away , far away into the fabulous world created by sumptuous imagination of the all time greatest pianist
@MontoyaMatrix
@MontoyaMatrix 6 лет назад
But even if that's true, all you're getting is Gould playing-around with other composers music. I think this DOES work with Bach because Bach is subversive ultira-thorough-composition. But with Mozart, it just misses the whole point. Gould might as well be improvising on jazz chords, and then calling HIMSELF John Coltrane. It simply becomes ridiculous.
@lindasegerious9248
@lindasegerious9248 Год назад
I agree - Gould's introduction is absolutely in line with the rest of the fantasia as he decided to play it. He creates a unique micro-cosmos of sound, internally consistent and also aligned with the forward-thinking of Mozart's music. Nobody knows whether Mozart himself would have liked and/or approved Gould's take on this fantasia, if he would have found it excessive or enlightening... But lots of people are somehow telepathic and decide that they know what Mozart wanted. Well... Mozart didn't finish that fantasia, so if we have to infer what he wanted, we'd have to say that (tongue in cheek) he didn't intend it to be played at all - otherwise he would have finished it. Therefore everyone plays it equally wrong. And once we agree that everyone plays it wrong, we can set aside the dogmatic view of the "correct" way of playing Mozart and judge each interpretation purely as "music", not as "Mozart". And then I choose Gould's as my favorite version of this music.
@1sola1verita
@1sola1verita Год назад
The best version of this piece is missing - the one played by Wilhelm Kempff... He outshines all the others...
@yergaderga
@yergaderga 9 лет назад
The "authentic" one was pretty authentic, especially with the fortepiano. What's the problem with his version?
@ioanalupascu7136
@ioanalupascu7136 6 лет назад
The Gilels one is beautiful
@liberjimenez3748
@liberjimenez3748 5 лет назад
How to play the opening of Mozart's Fantasia in D minor K 397 ?
@supertortoise3000
@supertortoise3000 11 лет назад
Wanda is the best. Second, Arrau. Great too. First time I hear Ersnt Levy. Is good.
@MrPaulOfield
@MrPaulOfield 7 лет назад
Super Tortoise In my opinion​, Arrau sounds too aseptic for me. There is no mistery, no darkness, he only plays it the way it is written... Maybe I'm too influenced by the postromantic approach, but it tells me nothing this particular way of playing...
@mp-dd7pn
@mp-dd7pn 3 года назад
Actually it´s all about the "right" tempo. Most players didn´t read carefully - it´s indicated Andante ALLA BREVE, which translates to : walking (going) in TWO ! Gould demonstrated here why he (often) is a bad interpreter: he doesn´t play Mozart, he always plays Gould, which would be ok if he also was the composer! I prefer the 9th version ...
@simonkawasaki4229
@simonkawasaki4229 6 лет назад
Andante, Gilels. Landowska will teach you.
@martinbennett2228
@martinbennett2228 Год назад
I would want to try to play the fantasia like Wanda Landowska does.
@pianopera
@pianopera 11 лет назад
Your thoughts are very interesting! Though I feel that this introduction is more than merely a copy of a Bach-piece. I think the tempo of Gilels doesn't work, it's too static and slow; after all the tempo indication is "Andante".
@jaspernatchez
@jaspernatchez 6 лет назад
What I find interesting about these performances is that not one chooses one or two clear objectives to aim for dynamically. All are sort of directionless.
@Orientaliszt
@Orientaliszt 7 лет назад
The best interprets of this Fantaisie are Emil Giles and Danil Trifonov (not listed here)
@batmanthearkhamknight6491
@batmanthearkhamknight6491 6 лет назад
Orientaliszt Whaaat
@hymntonight
@hymntonight 11 лет назад
Fun comparison! The only one I would reprimand is John Ogdon, who puts no thought into it.
@tigerlilja8
@tigerlilja8 11 лет назад
Wanda Landowska! :-)
@Wkkbooks
@Wkkbooks 4 года назад
Gould's is the most distinctive, original and interesting, in fact the only one that's not kind of boring. But this is only a bunch of nothing special arpeggios, a nice simple intro to an odd easy popular piano student piece that Mozart himself didn't think enough of to finish! Everyone can and should play it slightly differently. The comparison says very little about deep pianism.
@_PROCLUS
@_PROCLUS 7 лет назад
Wanda Landowska does it right
@velesivents
@velesivents 11 лет назад
Very good analysis. I thank you very much for this clever presentation. Bezuidenhout is fine, but too much pedal for my taste. Arrau is great, as usual, but in this case I invite you to hear Daniil Trifonov's performance. Blessings from Catalonia, next State of Europe.
@galinfranklin4747
@galinfranklin4747 7 лет назад
What the hell does the Catalonia crap have to do with the subject at hand? And then you wonder why everyone hates you.
@thomasg321
@thomasg321 10 лет назад
Of course this is Andante, but in 2/4 meter.
@ricardobalbontin
@ricardobalbontin 9 лет назад
It is not in 2/4, and it is indeed andante but the notes are triplets (3 notes per measurement of time)
@legamature
@legamature 6 лет назад
How did Gould get a black eye?
@VasDavid577
@VasDavid577 2 года назад
This isn't how to play it. This is how a musician sees it it should be played. No where said Mozart how to play it he just wrote it and other's played through the way they see it. But could've been completely different then Mozart saw it
@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat
@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat 7 лет назад
So... what is the right way to play Mozart's Fantasia then?
@MusicalMissCapri
@MusicalMissCapri 7 лет назад
Good question. :)
@ludwigvanbeethoven7192
@ludwigvanbeethoven7192 7 лет назад
The best way to interpret the piece is both, "as written," and also as if you're playing a pianoforte. As you can hear, many pianists tend to play the opening broken chords like they're playing a Chopin prelude which isn't stylistically accurate.
@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat
@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat 7 лет назад
Hey Beethoven! How's the Underworld? I'm not a big fan of modern approaches to classical music either. Mozart himself would not be heavy on legatos at all, so much you, Beethoven, once even called his playing choppy.
@ludwigvanbeethoven7192
@ludwigvanbeethoven7192 7 лет назад
@BruceBurger
@BruceBurger 6 лет назад
Lol, this video is so crazy funny. 😭🎹 educational humor at its finest!
@Toxxic88
@Toxxic88 11 лет назад
look up Koroliov's recording of this fantasy. One of my favorites.
@Krisha991
@Krisha991 6 месяцев назад
I play it almost like Landowska, still I believe Mozart played it more like Gulda and Ogdon.
@emanuel_soundtrack
@emanuel_soundtrack 5 лет назад
I fell that playing a tempo leads in many cases still from Bach to Beethoven to rythmical problems at the end effect, bad proportion, bad form, bad meaning. So i ask, why do i hear so much people who never wrote music down? Do you think the composer wants to write how he plays or what he plays?
@Chopin4321
@Chopin4321 2 года назад
Levy is full of beauty... taste and feeling as mozart required in his letters... horowitz and maria joao pires flow mozart music better than the rest..
@hiera1917
@hiera1917 2 года назад
I think you should’ve included Walter Klein’s performance! Along with Vikingur Olafson, it’s one of the best performances of the entire piece out there in my opinion. That said, with this selection, it’s hard to beat Kristian Bezuidenhout
@goodmanmusica2
@goodmanmusica2 3 года назад
Arrau - Landowska
@fredhoupt4078
@fredhoupt4078 6 лет назад
Very interesting. I hate to admit this but Gould's 11 bars are not so bad after all. The rest of the piece as I seem to recall is another matter.
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