Something fun I discovered this week as I have rarely rewatched Death & Rebirth is that they added Asukas little sneeze, shrug or whatever it is first in Death & Rebirth, which also had some of the updated art used in the 2003 DVD Release NOT the 1996 art. 1996: First art style, no sneeze Death & Rebirth: Second art style, sneeze 2003: Second art style, no sneeze Rebuild: Third art style, sneeze Seems strange they removed the sneeze from the DVD version as they had animated it years before.
I never because there is the humming of the lift moving. But on episode... 23? Towards the end when Shinji kills.... the guy with the white hair. The part where his Eva is holding him in midair was where I thought it froze. Sorry if I dont remember his name. Its been a while.
I never because there is the humming of the lift moving. But on episode... 23? Towards the end when Shinji kills.... the guy with the white hair. The part where his Eva is holding him in midair was where I thought it froze. Sorry if I dont remember his name. Its been a while.
The original dub actress of Asuka is amazing, a lot of emotion and range. You could hear her bratty tone and her growing defensiveness and inferiority complex, it was all so clear in her tone and it all sounded so real and genuine. Also she genuinely sounded like she was about to cry out of frustration like a girl her age would.
"She doesn't even realise that she likes him!" contrasted with the meaningful silence after "I hate you! I hate everyone!" really is the heart of the difference between these characters.
@@Viking102938 I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. I thought I was biased and just loved the old asuka too much but yea this new girl isnt very good at portraying the right emotions for asuka lol
@@General_C to be fair, it makes sense. In episode 19 when Shinji drags Zeruel on the EVAlator/elevator (or whatever it's called), it apparently lasted four minutes until he got to the top.
and the short silence was also perfect for its purpose. Movie 1 and 2 are showing us what people that use evangelion only as escapism see. The lack of tension that feels almost lifeless, to be bashed on by the 3rd film. Its what those people wanted it to be, and we see how empty it is without the difficult silence
It was more comedic than anything in my opinion. The tence aura mixed with the comically long shot worked well. At least it works well when compared to... that scene with Kaworu. Yeesh
@@canalz3340 yh i learnt. also if u look at the next episode preview of episode 24(after the credits) u see scenes of EoE like Asuka fighting the mass production Evas. So I think it was actually mostly time since they already had a story board and a rough animation of EoE which was intended to be episodes 25 and 26
@@amaterasu3325 Well, I actually think it’s both. Sure the elevator scene saved a lot of time animating, but it also conveys just as much, perhaps even more than a fully animated scene and dialogue about tensions between the EVA crew. A bold, yet brilliant solution. It’s interesting to see how limited budgets force indie creators to use creative solutions to close the gap between them and a big budget production.
@@seacrystal6189 that's because it's Shinji's "rebuild" of reality. Rei this time grab Asuka's wrist cause she knows already what's coming, as she's the only other survivor from the EoE, indeed Asuka was dead and brought back to life by Shinji.
One idea that I’ve heard which sounds pretty strong to me is that the rebuilds are meant to be hated. The main theme of the original was to do with the dangers of embracing escapism, but then ironically fans used the franchise as a means of escapism. As such the rebuilds exist to give an idealised anime which says to the audience “Isn’t this what you wanted?”, where characters easily grow and overcome difficulties, and where love interests play an overly large role in the story. This scene reflects this pretty well with the silence being broken very quickly, to call the audience impatient, then having the Rei stand up for herself uncharacteristically before them having an unrealistically meaningful conversation. So I suppose in some respects hating it isn’t the worst, I suppose it would miss the point even more to love it. Also this could all easily just be wrong and it could just be the weird haram world, but I doubt the same guy responsible for a masterpiece like the original would manage to fail so badly by accident afterwards.
@@jamesdessent5984 I think it's kinda dumb to write 3 entire movies just for them to be hated. Like, they could have just written something good. And if it really was meant to criticize otakus and be hated, why does it pander to them so much? The constant fanservice, shinji being a blank slate for the audience to project to, asuka and rei constantly fighting over him... This just seems like a typical self insert harem anime to me. If you want to find deeper meaning in it, go ahead. But to me, it just isn't worth going to the trainwreck of fanservice
You prefer the originals because of the art style? Then I’d have to disagree, I think animation and art style in anime have only gotten better over the years, and the old art style would probably look a bit weird with higher resolution. I do prefer the originals, but not because of the art style
I politely disagree with you. In the 90s many anime looked very similar. Not to say that it’s “bad” but I enjoy how modern anime has so much unique, stylized art. A lot of shows you can recognize solely from its art style.
@@JakuJaku I politely disagree older anime had more mazing animation than today anime, today anime is pure cgi and still shots while older anime was purely hand and had more movement also art style was batter back then
Well, the elevator scene lasts for a solid minute before they start talking. The team behind Evangelion talked about how in the latter episodes, they were given lower budgets and less cels to work with.
@@danedevil3165 no it's not. Rebuild is better in everything. But changed the story.. But some ppl just want some nostalgia. Some ppl prefer the old ones..
The original has such a crescendo, 1:46 ending with this 1,2,3, it's so nice. The new one is just another hint in favour of the loop hypothesis around rebuild, like Rei already knew what Asuka was about to do.
The reason why there was long pause on scene was because they can't do any more scene to fit it on a 20 minute episode and they are very tight on budget.
@@gendouhydeist you idiot, they probably had the money to do it just not the time, scheduling for weekly anime is hard. I hate the argument that money is always the problem when anime goes bad. Scheduling can be much more devestating to a show; if a director gets sick for a few days and can't come in things like story boarding slow to a hault and it's hard to really animate anything. And for weekly anime a few days of bad scheduling can throw off an episode. Soooooo Anno prolly saw there was problems with schedule+his psyche and went for more punctual scenes where we have to think and interpret the meaning for ourselves.
@@noodleboi6711 except that not long run animes are made completely before broadcast lol It is budget because they literally had to scrap even the animation and reuse a lot of stock footage in the ending. Lol gainax literally fell after some time xD Dont listen to digibro's bullshit
Ok the rebuild has good animation, but the first two were phenomenal. Honestly I could feel the emotion and tension rising in the first two elevator scene. The rebuild on the other hand felt much more longer and more dull.
I never felt the tension. Honestly, if Rei hadn't said anything, nothing would have even happened. Asuka was just minding her business and probably thinking "What a robot" or something about Rei. I just fail to see this feel of "tension" and "emotion" before they started talking. They failed to show it. If Asuka had been looking at Rei every now and then during that scene, or maybe tapping her finger against her thigh or something, then it would have been possible for us to assume that there was some tension inside of her building up and she wanted to say something. But everything in that original scene was just static
The way the old versions and the rebuild one interact from 0:56 make me think this is not meant as a new imagening of the old scene but directly interacting with it. Which fits right into all the other hints in rebuild that Eva takes place in kind of a cyclic/looping timeline.
@@LutherTaylor Sorry, not explicitly time travel, but yes, a Loop. Also, kaworu saying on the moon that this time shinji would be happy. Has it been stated anywhere?
I remember watching this scene and wondering how long the silence in the elevator will go on. And it kept going. And going. And then it hit me that without any efforts, they managed to put us, the viewer in the same elevator, anxiously waiting in tension haha. So well done.
It’s all bullshit in a way. That happens because it would make the weebs happier that rei was more of a person and lead them into thinking that the rebuild has a happy otaku ending. It was a giant troll of course, which is why I like the rebuilds so much. I find it hilarious when the whole world goes to utter shit as if Hideaki Anno is saying “here it is, this is what happens when you weebs ask for these unrealistic realities”. Can’t wait for the fourth rebuild, Anno’s weeb-trolling abilities are on point.
Thats because the original is so memorable and the rebuild feeds of off the nostalgia of the show. But, scince the slap is blocked the scene says nothing. Just that Asuka is wrong while the original told us about rei and asuka. Asuka gets on the path to her mental breakdown and rei is shown to be a doll and do as ordered.
Theory goes that Rei has her memories from the og show, just like Kaworu Gotta ask yourself: are the dead sea scrolls just manuals, or a history book telling what happened in the previous iteration?
@@gonzalogutierrez510 see this is what I meant. The little things like Kaworu being so aware of Shinji, the seas already being red, Rei knowing she'll be slapped just make me feel like there's more to this than a simple rehashing of the original story
@@sadia6503 there are subtle hints like the elevator scene and not so subtle ones. For example in the opening scenes from rebuild, you can see some giant body outlines in the same crucified position that the mass produced evas were at the og third impact. Considering rebuild a sequel kinda gives it more weight
Eva fans: this scene is really impactful, it completely changed my life for the better and I was able to truly understand myself because of it. Thank you, Hideaki Anno. Anno: Fuck we got no budget left! Just use a single frame for an entire minute "Don't you think the fans would notice it?" Anno: Lol no.
Everyone is talking about how the original is better, but I'm pretty sure that was the point. In the rebuilds, Rei deflects the slap _because_ it changes the dynamic in a way that doesn't make sense, and also sets up for Rei Q in 3.0
I dont get how people arent getting this, the title is fucking REBUILD of evangelion, its so obvious what the show fucking is when you pay the least amount of attention to it. Its like when you try and explain to a jojo fan how King Crimson works and they have a mental breakdown
The rebuild is just Anno’s equivalent to the New Star Wars, but actually good. Make something that looks pretty and recognizable, then shit on the trash fanbase giving them EXACTLY what their fantasies want, making “fixes” to improve the product, only to blow it up in the fan’s face telling the “You’re not satisfied and you never will be. Grow the fuck up and move on with your life. Stupid otaku.” I couldn’t agree more. The franchise became the very thing it wanted to argue against in the show’s themes, but then it became a stupidly profitable franchise for dorks to consooom. The rebuild hates you, it hates it’s source material, and that’s a good thing. Y’all motherfuckers old enough to watch the original airings need to get prostate exams now.
you mean how it missed the originals point completely and exchanged meaningful moments for fan-service that contradict its purpose and original messaging?
The rebuild audio is a fan dub. Astonishing how many people don’t realise that. Almost like people follow the bandwagon of shitting on the rebuild series without having actually watched it.
@@Jayfive276 I'm not even talking about the dub, I was talking about the long elevator scene. I saw the rebuild, and it's not bandwagon, it's preference.
itsNEi I feel like both scenes serve a purpose. But I prefer the rebuild because it actually shows growth in the characters. I feel like people don’t actually know what the point of the rebuild was. And it’s purpose is to be Evangelion but be completely different at the same time. In the rebuild we see that Asuka still has an inferiority complex. But instead of bottling up her feelings. She actually stops and talks to others about her feelings and even puts others before herself. She refuses to let her emotions consume her in the rebuild. Even taking Rei’s place in piloting Unit-03 just so she could have a dinner party with Shinji and his father even though she has clear feelings for Shinji. OG Asuka was bitchy and never grew. Sure that was one of the themes of the OG series but the rebuild isn’t that. The original series never really deconstructed the themes. Just had characters act in those themes for the sake of acting in those themes. And at points became painful to watch because it was the same over and over and just getting worse each time. Hell Asuka even acknowledges REI’s Struggle by looking at her bandages. But no one ever brings up scenes like when talking about the rebuild. They just like shitting on it for no reason. With their only argument being “ They’re not as good as NGE because” and I think that’s bullshit And when Rei says she’s not a doll in the rebuild it holds so much more weight Bc Rei has next to no development in the OG series. Where in Rebuild there was lots. She was more outgoing and genuinely wanted to be a person. Her relationship with Shinji and his father felt a lot more tangible than it did in the OG series. Making her ironically feel like she’s not a Doll. Look I like the OG Series more. But I can tell the intention of these scenes and I prefer the rebuild. And I know you prefer the OG. I just hope people stop shitting in the rebuilds because they’re not supposed to be NGE, They’re supposed to be The Rebuild of Evangelion.
Juju I literally said “OG Asuka was bitch and never grew” obviously pointing at her devolution. Understanding the characters doesn’t mean I have to like them. I understand. But the point I was trying to make about the OG series was that the characters really just had one defining trope and ran with for the entire series which wasn’t bad it was just kinda tiring to see. And the characters just got worst as the series went on. I personally like the fact that rebuild Asuka wants to be more independent and doesn’t have time ogle over men. She doesn’t have some gross perverted mindset of what love is. And rebuild Asuka is the literal example of what Asuka could’ve been had she actually let people in. And when I say “it was the same over and over again” I’m not fucking wrong like once you hit the middle point in the series if just her failing over and over again and being depressed about it. It does show her devolution but it was essentially the same thing just at varying degrees. And her resolution in EOE felt a little weird to me as it kinda came out nowhere. I know she longed for the love someone deep down but it happened so late in the series. It felt kinda weird imo. Also she didn’t do a good job of masking her depression. The other characters were just selfish and refusedto help her. They acknowledged that she was in pain. And never reached out. Neither side made an effort and that’s what led to her downfall. I like that rebuilds have strong sense of communication in them. Even if Is a different message than the OG series. Because it’s supposed to be. I didn’t miss the point of her character I just found it boring and obnoxious. Like she was annoying at the beginning. And got depressed at the end. And I’m supposed to feel for her? She acted like bitch throughout the entire show, up until the very end not letting anyone in because she was depressed and I’m supposed call this accurate deconstruction. That is exactly what I meant by they just play into tropes. I know shinji’s character is supposed to be unlikable but I actually his character a lot more than Asuka. The original series does nothing to deconstruct asuka. Just showings us glimpses of her past and her progress downfall. And that’s not deconstruction. There was no subtlety to how human emotion were conveyed in the OG series. It made it a point to talk about them whenever it could. But that couldn’t stop the obvious tropes that were present and if you really at the OG series. You will see that characters and nothing more that just tropes. And when the question. Why should I care about Shinji? Why should I care about Asuka? You probably respond with some shit like. That’s the point why should you care about them? That’s the point of their characters your supposed to wanna care about them less or hate them. Well that I say if the characters bring nothing new to the table and are bad at the beginning of the series and bad at the end. Coming to their own resolution that is still pretty shit. Then what makes these characters better? I literally just pointed out the reasons why Asuka’s character is flat. But at this point I don’t care. I’ve said my piece.
The silence omitted in Rebuild is compensated by the little interaction that has existed between Asuka and Reí, their conversation is a well-worked symbolism and opens a new path to the future.
Because the rebuild series is just an elaborate troll on Anno’s part. He’s sabotaging his own work to mess with the same kind rabid neckbeards, weebs, etc. that sent him death threats after the original run. Shinji in the rebuild is a surrogate for the otaku and how he doomed himself and the world to save his waifu instead of letting go or growing up, causing the third impact. That is the Curse of Evangelion. The fans are stuck in a perpetual childhood the same way Star Wars fans bitch about the new trilogy. Kaworu is Anno’s surrogate trying to show those people life can be good if you grow up, improve your character, and leave toxic fandom behind, but they’re too far gone down the rabbit hole, becoming hikikomori. The manchild. Evangelion, and especially Rebuild, is a mirror held to the viewer displaying a hard truth one must learn: you can’t regress into fantasy.
Because everyone wants to be in Shinji's shoes so the Rebuilds finally gave in and jack off audience members with fan service. Making every actor to revolve around what the common audience fan would do if they were Shinji.
@@ChunkSchuldinga thats just mental gymnastic k really Thought he just wanted to make Evangelion as commercial as possible since New fans (not the old ones) always hate shinji for not being a self insert character for new otakus Who only want harem and ecchi scenarios with predictable plots and extremelly powerful mcs ... You know the whole fantasy ... The old ones liked evegelion as It was, the story of a depressive kid with a horrible father, a screaming Germán girl that has low self steem but Play strong cuz she wants outside validation for her existance and reí, the personification of "What i am" ... You know a very non convensional cast , and of course misato, the girl Who want redemtion since she feels she was the reason her father died How funny how different people see different things on evegelion right, until this day many people dont agree on What the fuck we watched xD
@@ChunkSchuldinga thing is about star wars that we were hyped for a proper ending we were waiting for a farewell party like how everyone is waiting for 3.0+1.0 but all we got was mozel toff a beer can and a boot on the way out. We didnt support a series that challenged what it is to write sci fi for disney to create some quarter assed ending. It wasnt even half assed .
I like how at 1:06, she says she’s blocking herself, and then the rebuild shows her slap being blocked, and then later cuts to her own hand. Also, it seems like perfect timing at 1:02, the silence from the rebuild coordinated with Rei’s first words in the og. Almost seems like the mad lad Anno planned it all.
Perfect example of less is more. Static shot building tension. The animation in the Rebuild may be be more detailed but the original still looks better.
@@cristhiamg.salgado3845 It was more having to get creative due to budget limitations and making it work. So they took a negative and turned it into a positive. It's always in the execution.
@@obsessedredditor1399 It was, it enhanced the scene by making it awkward before any word is said. Maybe it still was too long but you have to be rather oblivious to the more bleaker tone of 96' evangelion not to see how it actually enhanced the scene. It could've been done better? Absolutely, different angles and whatnot, but they still should've maintained the akward silence.
I never been in a more paradoxical fandom, some says that Shingi sucks, some says that the more realistic is better but still sayin Shingi sucks. Now with the elevator scene is the same, "the elevator scene is too long" then they make it shorter and "buah, buah it isn't like the original" It my sincere opinion, just wach another series
The coloring in the DVD release is admittedly better, but I love Asuka's expressive animation much more in the original release. Glad it came back in the rebuild.
I feel like the original tension had more tension between them, esp from Asuka's side, but I also like the rebuild scene where Rei doesn't take Asuka's attitude towards her and stops her from hitting her.
The most meaningful art comes from a context of restriction. Yes, they were short on budget but we can't deny this was a genius way to capture the character's psychology that probably wouldn't have happen without the money context
Dude you need to shut up you dont need to say it twice you are literally shitting on good voice acting you fucking weeb, why are you commenting "sub is better than dub" so much like nobody cares about that who wants to read subtitles all the time cuz of the voice acting not being as original or as good as the sub
the way they did the rebuild is so good because it is intentionally made to be a "normal" anime with no under tones or message and it really feels more unsettling then the originals just because it is so different from the originals.
Yeah, I think it was intentional and there was a connection with the original. Also in Rebuild, Asuka didn't say that she hated Rei at the end, although Asuka was still jealous to her and called her stupid, but there was no sign of hatred. Rebuild Asuka always felt alone and didn't need friends before, but hearing Rei said something like that made her felt uneasy and later she realized that being with the others weren't bad as she thought.
@@panicoestatico9260 people love to bitch and moan about how the original is so much better in every way but they're just different takes, I like them both and sometimes honestly prefer the rebuild for some scenes, but whatever
@@HearMeLearn Right, also i would like to see Shinji find the happiness in last one of rebuild, without rebooting the things and living with what they have.
@@bewarethediz Soulless? Since when did the characters had a soul in the original to lose it? Rei in the original was the most soulless character ever known lool
I didn't know about the budget restrictions were a reason for the extended elevator scene. Nevertheless, I'm still astounded by the original cut. The animators had to make difficult choices in what to include in the final cut, and everything they animated must serve a key purpose since they didn't have the resources to animate everything they wanted. They used the pauses to heighten tension, to reflect, or to simply build mystery. There were many scenes like this in the anime so that's why I didn't feel it was out of place.
I love the fluidity of the rebuild and the light/shadow aspect. But the original is amazing on its own. The tension buildup, and the way they act is amazing. They act how one would in that situation. They have so much on their shoulders as teens having to act like adults.
Kinda don't like how the rebuild makes this scene about Shinji. The original showed more of Asukas inner workings, her competitiveness towards Rei was about her wanting to be the best pilot and feeling inferior and like she needs to prove herself, and then rebuild watered it down to fighting over a boy.
Its like the rest of the rebuilds - EEEVERYTHING is spelled out for the viewer. No mystery, no thinking or feeling about whats going on. The rebuilds are the definition of "tell, don't show". Kinda sad.
That's preposterous. Each version has their own merits. If you know the grueling, and meticulous process of animation, you wouldn't undermine what the Rebuild had to offer in that regard. It's okay to say you prefer the original's directional choices, it's arguably better in many ways, but you don't have to push one thing down to make the other look better.
It's kinda understandable it would look so different in the DVD release when you think about it. The original NGE went through a hellish development cycle to get the episodes to air on time so they had to cut corners
I think i like the original silence more, I was kind of annoyed by it first, but compared to the argument it really makes it seem like they both don't want to talk to each other, creating more tension
Huh, I wasn't aware how much was changed in the DVD version vs the original airing... I expected it to just be coloring, but they redrew the whole thing
Evangelion has to me one of the most perfect examples of "no money, but make them better because of that". It true they ran out of it, but at the same time they made the scene completely meaningful with that "long" and for someone "too long" still scene. I can feel much more their feeling uncomfy, while in the rebuild you can't do it, you have no time. There's another long still scene in my mind, the one where shinji comes back after his first flee. He saw Misato at the train station, and there's a good 40sec of still scene. And it's perfect like that, I didn't imagine anything else considering their psychology, their behaviour, and what's happened before.
Orignial is much better, the tension building up to the elevator over many episodes makes it such an exciting moment especially coupled with the silence wondering whos going to break it first and being suprised when its rei.
Rebuild it's just for Edgy Generation, even only NGE without EOE is already great for me, it's just about Anno Mental in Shinji Character, people are too dumb to understand that message
Well considering they had to retell the series of 26 episodes in just 1 1/2 movies didn’t give them the time to leave in these pauses. Every second counted and they had to move it along so they could start telling a new story in 3.0 and 4.0 which for me is fine bc I would never expect the rebuild to replace the original series.
Rebuild Asuka didn't suffer from the same emotional trauma she did in the original, and is more open to actually exchange her emotions with others instead of being an emotional porcupine. Also considering with a huge budget but a lot less time, the minute of nothing is not really doable nor meaningful for rebuilds.
I gotta watch the rebuild, but I always prefer that cool 90s art style over the more modern, updated art style. Not that it’s bad by any means, just the way I drink the tea.
