Comping - Are you practicing the right way?

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Do you practice comping? And how do you work on it? For me, Comping is really fun because it is about playing together with other people both the soloist and the rest of the rhythm section.
The most overlooked part of comping is being able to convey and feel the groove, we always talk about the voicings and the rhythms. Maybe it is also the most difficult, but in this video I want to show you how to train your fingers, your groove and your ears to comp better.
The biggest part of my working life is comping for other people so besides the fact that I find it fun it is also a huge part of my income and something I spend a lot of my time doing. Hopefully I can help you develop you comping skills a bit.
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@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Greetings from Gdansk! We are having a great time with lots of jazz guitar, good food and Wine 🙂 Check out my other comping video on duo comping: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fs6hkTjyxuk.html

@brad724p 6 лет назад

Love the way your lessons build from previous ones. Your F blues comping in this one is a perfect example (and packed with applicable ideas). You're a master teacher! Many thanks, as always.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thanks Brad! Great that you feel the continuity! I will try to make a how to comp study guide on my website at some point soon!

@anwyllonmusic 6 лет назад

My ensemble leader is a pianist, and he said that listening to recordings is key. He is a fan of separating things when practicing. For example, as a pure rhythm exercise, he would listen to Oscar Petersen, and copy his rhythm...and push any keys on the piano...or close the piano lid and "play" the rhythm on the piano lid. Then, he would practice voicings....then lastly, he would combine voicings with the rhythms he learned. We can do the same on guitar, practice rhythm in isolation of chords by muting the strings or playing one chord, then we can check out voicings, then we can combine rhythm with voicings.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

I guess you can, probably it is just as useful to just listen and try to song the rhythms and then later try to play what you sing rhythmically? 🙂

@anwyllonmusic 6 лет назад

that works too :)

@fonostorigile 6 лет назад

I've just noticed your series of videos about comping, so cool! I'm gonna check it all out.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you! I hope you find something you can use?

@nlmal4 6 лет назад

I just want to say, I am on the right track. Is a matter time, patience, practising and a good teach for guidence.... Thanks mr. J.L.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you Mike! Yes, just keep at it!

@savvasanastasiou335 6 лет назад

Nice lesson Jens ! I have been struggling to come up with a way of practicing comping that is not just rhythmic patterns and voicings! Thanks!

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

That's great Savvas! Go for it! If you have some thoughts on how to practice then do share them :)

@Mikkokosmos 6 лет назад

Great lesson! Comping is often overlooked in Jazz pedagogy! 🤓

@nlmal4 6 лет назад

I agree with you

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you Mikko! It can also. Be a difficult topic to teach 🙂

@NotRightMusic 6 лет назад

Dynamite lesson Jens! I think that the most important part of this video is how the importance of comping is emphasized by stating that it's what (jazz) guitarists do most of the time. I've met too many guitarists who are decent soloists but their comping is subpar. Usually, because they brush it off as an afterthought or something that doesn't need serious practice.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you Markus! Very true it is hugely underestimated and unappreciated, most guitarists don't want to work 😎

@jumemowery9434 6 лет назад

Thanks Jens!!!

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Glad you like it Jume! 🙂

@live2groove 6 лет назад

One of the biggest favors a guitarist can do for themselves is to spend the next five years trying to be the best rhythm player/comper around..

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

That's very true, and in jazz comping is imorovising as well

@cuauhtemocmorisco3493 6 лет назад

live2groove yes. So true. This is my second year and ive already started on it.

@Thesingndance 3 года назад

This is an excellent video! Even for me, an aspiring ukulele jazz player. Thank you.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

You're very welcome!

@cuauhtemocmorisco3493 6 лет назад

This is some really good stuff. Subbed!!!

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you! I hope you find something you can use!

@rebelamitis9360 6 лет назад

I also love comping, it's my favorite thing on guitar.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

I know exactly what you mean!

@dkwvt13 5 лет назад

I play every Sunday in a jazz brunch open jam. The focus is on improvisation and in order for it to work the most important instrument is the ear. Staying out of the way, keeping the groove going, listening to what is being played by the rest of the musicians and soloist and accompanying as part of a conversation. The format is challenging, the band is forgiving and it is a wonderful way to learn. Oh and watching your videos... 😎

@JensLarsen 5 лет назад

Great that you play! That's the most fun and probably also the most efficient way to learn 👍🙂

@victorparedes4863 6 лет назад

WELL DONE !!!

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you Victor! I take it you play Jazz? 🙂

@jpginspect 6 лет назад

These are great lessons. Comping is my favorite thing as it makes me part of the rhythm section and can be as creative as soloing. I guess I tend to relate everything to the major scale that the chord I'm playing is from so the notes from the C scale can be added as melody to a G7 for example. There's also the chord movement of building a chord from the 3,5,and 7 of the chord you're on all from the diatonic chord scale. - G7 to Bbm7b5 to Dm7 to Fmaj7 and back to G. I play mostly in the blues so the changes are easy. Not sure this is correct but it seems to work. Thanks for everything Jens!!!!!

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you! I am glad you like them! That's true that it is a great idea to work with the arpeggio or chord from the 3rd of what is there! 👍🙂

@plumhunter9158 6 лет назад

I practice the chords alone or with a backing track of the melody. Occasionally will use metronome alone, but now will use that as a more important learning method - thanks

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

It's all about what you want to get good at 🙂

@AslanBlood 6 лет назад

Altruistic thinkin', in a way. Thnx Jens. Really the boost i had to hear ☺

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thanks Charles! Glad you found it useful! 🙂

@lekinguitarrista8445 6 лет назад

great lesson. please do more comping lessons,

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you! I already have one planned! With a guest soloist!

@KennethGonzalez 6 лет назад

As always, great segment, Jens. It's a great topic to tackle. I think an important part of this is knowing the changes really well! Why? Because, being part of the rhythm section, it's important to know your part. In a duo scenario with a vocalist, the guitarist is going to have more work to do -- you've got to keep everything moving. As you add bass and drums, it gives the guitarist more room to *play less* and be more thoughtful about how to approach it. When you add the piano in, it becomes necessary to have a good understanding of what they will be doing and what their preferences are. For example, what substitutions do they prefer? It had better influence your choices, so you don't unintentionally introduce dissonance which takes attention away from the soloist. It's a practical approach to arrangement, in my opinion... and your ears are your guide. I think about all of the different variations I might encounter and do at least a run through the tune from that perspective. You may never play that again, but at least you've invested some time in that strategy to get your ears, fingers and brain (in that order, mostly :-P) properly aligned. Thanks for taking this one on. Love your comments!

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thanks Ken! I also like to think of it as On-the-Spot arranging, that's a really good description. The concert I played here in Gdansk yesterday also had some moments where we could just look at each other and follow the music together even though I had never met or playd with the rhythm section 🙂

@KennethGonzalez 6 лет назад

Jens: Absolutely! The more you get to play with folks, the easier it gets... so much fun!! :-D

@giampierogiorgianni9167 6 лет назад

Hi Jens, to me comping over records is very useful, and it's what recreates better the actual playing situation. Of course, before that one has to master chords, inversions, voicings and so forth, and train with a metronome the way you show in the video, but I recommend playing over records, if I can throw in my my two cents. Thanks for the topic.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Certainly comping with records can be good, though having the track and the groove inside is actually better practiced by working with a metronome and recording yourself in my opinion

@giampierogiorgianni9167 6 лет назад

I think the metronome practice is preliminary to playing over the recordings. If I practice with the metronome, I build a solid groove and become familiar with the changes, but when I play over a record I actually have a soloist to comp, and, the way I see it, my comping adapts to the way the soloist is playing. I'm not talking about comping over a backing track, when I say record I'm talking about an actual album.

@connshawnery6489 4 года назад

They call me Forest Comp

@johnnyjolijt2 6 лет назад

Lester Young really liked what he called the "Vanilla Chords"

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Ok. What would that be? 🙂

@Shawn-hs8qk 6 лет назад

Like to think while I'm comping, not just backing up the soloists flow, but enhancing it.

@Shawn-hs8qk 6 лет назад

I play in a jazz guitar duo, it's a nice challenge as you are the complete rhythm section.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thanks Shawn! Yes I sometimes think it is enhancing tthe soloists, though I don't always feel that click with all soloists. Did you see my video on comping in a duo? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fs6hkTjyxuk.html

@Shawn-hs8qk 6 лет назад

Will check that out, thanks!

@neilbeckerfilms 6 лет назад

Jens great lesson thank you very much for this. A question though, what is the name of the Miles Davis track where Wynton is accompanying him? I need to find it! Thanks so much 🙏🏻💫

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thanks Neil! That is a live recording of So What from Stockholm: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5Amyp4v-I84.html That whole concert is really great! Coltrane on Green Dolphin Street is mind blowing! What is your favourite?

@neilbeckerfilms 6 лет назад

Thanks for the link Jens this session is a jem☺️ So what would have to be my favorite by Miles. I’m starting to listen to more of his masterful music though so that may quickly change!! Thank you for the swift reply too enjoy your day Jens

@AJGreen-cn8kk 6 лет назад

check out Vinnie Raniolo, Frank Vignola's rhythm player. He's the best I've seen in years. I'm also very fond of Whit Smith of Hot Club of Cowtown.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thanks AJ, I take it he is a gypsy player? I am not too familiar with that style :)

@AJGreen-cn8kk 6 лет назад

Jens Larsen yeah, hot club plays mostly gypsy and Western swing. You should check them out

@kidpoker007 5 лет назад

What are your thoughts on comping to 2 & 4 as opposed to 1 &3 meaning hearing the click on 2 &4 ? Thanks Ken

@JensLarsen 5 лет назад

2&4 is better because it is a little less to lean on 🙂👍

@kiady88 6 лет назад

Hi jens. Can you please talk a bit about "suspended" chords and being in deep with it. We already know how to construct these kind of chords but how to use them musically. For example, Frank gambale uses it a lot. But how to use them .... i don't know if you understand what i wanna say :)

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Suspended chords are using the same scale as the non suspended chords most of the time, and you can substitute them for dom7th chords and also min7 chords: Gsus4 instead of Dm7. There isn't much else to say. I guess Frank uses them in his compositions, but that is then only relevant for his music, right? Does that help?

@Shuzies 6 лет назад

Great and useful lesson.....would love to see some ex. written out. like you do with scales.....ron

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you Ron, maybe I will try to see if I can find some way to write out examples, though I did feel that this was more about how you play than what you play 🙂

@Shuzies 6 лет назад

Yes...I guess I am coming from a drumming point of view here. I am using the Solfege Rythmique book to up my game with feel.

@AutumnSonderness 6 лет назад

Damn, Jens you're scary - are you able to read minds? I was thinking about my comping-game when I discovered your new video. Nevertheless thank you very much for your continuous stream of high quality videos! :)

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thanks! I can't say that I can read minds but I do try 🙂

@srenlarsen7242 5 лет назад

This is amazing stuff. And I don`t even know the meaning of the word comping😢

@JensLarsen 5 лет назад

Haha! Ok. Comping is slang for accompanying 🙂 But thanks!

@vbrajprasad 6 лет назад

Hi, good day. Comping is really a tough job. One has to be familiar with different chord progressions, different rhythm patterns, well trained ears. Prediction of popular arpeggios. Quick determination of the chord structure that will suite the lick on the run. I don’t remember, whether you have covered difficult rhythm patterns in your lessons or not. Better if you can ......

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Thank you Vasili! I don't think you have to try transcribe or know exactly what is being played when comping, just listen and try to play through the changes without getting ing the way :) I didn't make a lesson on complicate rhythms,but I did do this one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-biKfs6BOCws.html

@underwoodvoice9077 6 лет назад

My guitar teacher once told me to think that "comping" doesn't just mean "accompanying" the soloist; it also means "complementing" the soloist; listening to and reacting to what's going on in the solo (if only to keep out of the way). Would you adjust any of your comping if the guitar is the only rhythm instrument (e.g. a two guitar duo)?

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Yes certainly! I have a video called comping in a duo you can check out 🙂

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Here you go ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fs6hkTjyxuk.html

@underwoodvoice9077 6 лет назад

Exactly what I was looking for.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Great! 👍🙂 You can always ask 🙂

@jakemf1 6 лет назад

Ok the smallest thing in this video is the most challenging, you just played those Oscar Peterson chords how did you transcribe that?

@themennissvids 6 лет назад

My tip for transcribing chords: Find the top note, find the bottom note, find the notes in the middle that give it the same colour. It also helps if you know where they are in the tune so you can use that for clues.

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

I just listen to the melody of the top-notes and then try to add the sound of the chords 🙂

@BrazenNL 6 лет назад

This, to me, is both the most difficult and most fun. I could've also used the words rewarding and embarrassing here ...

@JensLarsen 6 лет назад

Exactly! on both descriptions!

@supernovasimulations Год назад

I just wonder about the metronome If we put them old days cats, on a DAW and see the tempo. That fluctuates right? They have bad timin? Sure id say hell no . Louis said "swing is to put the notes in th right place" i think So i just dont understand why the metronome . Seems like the swing and groove was an add on from this perspective. And not the driving motion behind why and how of tempo shuffles and breath of the thing

@JensLarsen Год назад

If that works for you then that's fine. Good time is not about being a machine, it is about being together in the right way. I know more people with good time that use a metronome, in fact, I don't think I know anyone with good time who never practices with a metronome, and if you ask people around you then you will see the same thing.

@gokbelt 4 года назад

Is it possible to say that drop 2 voicing of chord inversions affects how the comping sounds? I am asking that as when I try to do your advices in related video, sometimes it sounds really bad. I am critizing myself bu using your videos :) Thanks for all videos. By the way your non educating videos had ben watched less I think people should listen your music much more.

@JensLarsen 4 года назад

I am not sure what you mean, but the inversion will of course influence how it sounds?

@gokbelt 4 года назад

@@JensLarsen I mean when I just use the rhythm shapes and the basic chords of the song (not extensions, not inversion etc.) which you shared in your website, I could not play swing, I hear what I play is pointy and edge shape. I am not sure what is the problem actually or is it common problem. I hope I could explain myself. Thanks.

@JensLarsen 4 года назад

@@gokbelt Ok. I am still not sure exactly what you mean. Maybe keep trying or see if you can find some examples that are exactly what I play?