The most on-brand way to distinguish between Iqlic and English is to not distinguish between them at all while still pretending that you're being perfectly clear.
Last night I had a nightmare: I was dreaming about having an exam at school. Our teacher would say to us "I thought, this time we make it a bit special and brought you something" She's holding a yellow book, bout 50 pages, with the title "Basic Grammar and Vocabulary of Zese". "You'll write your exam in Zese, using its script." So I had 150 Minutes to write a 600 Word Essay in a language I don't know. While struggling to understand Zese I woke up bathing in sweat with my heart racing.
It’s so weird, he’s American right? It’s strange how he seems not to realize that the “i” in ice (the way I and a lot of Americans pronounce it) is a dipthong of the “o” sound in bot and the “ee” sound in knee (the way I pronounce them), not a dipthong of schwa (the “a” sound at the end of comma, the way I pronounce it, written with a u in Iqlic) and the aforementioned “ee” sound in knee. That’s what makes it sound like an Irish accent, because Misali is pronouncing it as specified rather than inferring that Jack just couldn’t figure out what dipthong “i” saying it’s name like in “ice” is (the way I and many Americans pronounce it, at least).
Terminology proposal: A "xiqlang" (pronounced "thinglang") is a conlang whose orthography insists on using all 26 letters of the English alphabet regardless of how little sense it makes.
Clearly the only system for writing English is whatever random shapes the romans pulled out of the Greek's waste bin. And for the love of god let's make sure to spell /tʃ/ as anything other than ch, because we can't make things too easy.
@@masicbemester Vötgil, you're feeling stronger Vötgil, no more feeling bad Vötgil, your eyes are shining Vötgil, you are the Eisenman Vötgil, wipes away your tears Vötgil, removes your fears Vötgil, everyone is gorgeous Vötgil, yeah vötgil!
You know what, you have to respect what a good sport Jack Eisenmann is! He keeps talking to you, even though he must have actually watched the other two videos. Love this episode, though, I love it when you don't hold back.
English is an international auxlang made by a large community of contributors in 1550. Its source languages include French and Anglo-Saxon, but somehow its phonology is compatible with neither of those. Its orthography is extremely inconsistent due to how much its creators revised the pronunciation of words over the years but didn't bother to revise the spelling. And they straight up *dropped* a bunch of letters for some reason, and replaced them with pointless digraphs. In one case, they replaced their original letter "wynn" for the /w/ sound with a digraph which, kinda makes sense? It's "uu", which makes sense if you know Latin phonology and for no one else. And for some reason they just decided to smoosh the digraph together into one ugly letter, "w". Why? Why make a digraph if you're going to make it one letter anyway? All in all, this is why you don't let a massive community put together an auxlang with little to no curation. It's almost like someone tried to use a complicated natural creole as an auxlang and called it a day. Wait, oh yeah. Right.
Very much not the only conlang to use for /ŋ/. Ro, Ceqli and Wjerih Sarak are three great examples of the same thing. Plus some languages I'm planning. Plus a spelling reform of English I did when I was 14/15.
@Rede Emitel The only one I've found so far was Fijian for [ŋg], but I swore I saw a North American language that used it on Omniglot. (I know, not the be all end all source, but whatev). Doesn't make it any less ugly, btw
I use q for a glottal stop in my conlang’s official romanization. (The actual script, a featural abugida, is yet to be developed so all documentation is in the romanization.)
@@PlatinumAltaria it's still more accessible than that nightmare and can be adapted to be friendlier to people with dyslexia, etc, rather than inherently relying on hard to distinguish features
Funny enough, that list of "words that end with u" basically made me immediately go "antenu is definitely antenna" and everything followed from there so it was pretty clear to me. But that was solely on the basis of "antenu" being obvious, if the list had started with any other word i probably would have had problems.
I had a similar reaction when I got down in the list to "sodu" and "umbrellu" and the penny dropped. Except... now I'm looking at the list again in order to write this comment, and taking a closer look... Is "uydyu" supposed to be "idea"?
@@mrphlip it is, misali showed the answers in the video. It’s weird because it makes it seem like Jack has an Irish accent. He’s American right? For some reason he didn’t realize that (in his writing system), the dipthong for the “i” in ice (and the dipthong in buy, and at the start of idea) should be written “oy”, not “uy”… unless he wants it to sound like Irish English/early modern period English
Just call it "English with a q". Frankly, Eisenmann is a fascinating rabbit hole of a human being. I'm honestly a little surprised Fredrick Knudsen hasn't covered him yet! ...That sample at the end sounds like a combination of a bad Irish accent and a hernia.
Honestly, I hope Jack Eisenmann learns from the mistakes of his old conlangs and ends up making a really good one. I can see he really likes making conlangs and I wish the best for him.
Man, I remember back when I was in like 9th grade trying to start my own conlang using Pegakibo as a base for the orthography, but I had no real knowledge to have any semblance of structure when I made what I made. After I realized I don't actually like trying to make a conlang seriously, I did find that I enjoyed making writing systems, and in 2016 I invented my own cypher for English, very minimalistic-like, and I have been using it ever since to write down little notes on something like my hand or a piece of paper when I don't want other people to read it. I've thought about submitting it to Omniglot, but I never really felt that strongly about sharing it that way. It makes for a fun puzzle when I've got some time to kill with a friend or co-worker where they tell me a word/name and I write it in my cypher, and they try to figure out how it works.
Remember this amazing guy ranting about how bad Vötgil is? This is him now completing the trilogy. Also you progressed with this series in the opposite order. Wonder what comes next
“Badsensr” So you’re telling me this isn’t the word for police radar? I like “IQ-glish” as the disambiguation, because I’ve lost a few IQ points from the orthography alone.
I love your conlang critic videos! I can't wait for the next episode, and I liked this as a summary and goodbye to Jack Eisermann's work. You're funny, fair, and interesting with them.
I initially left a comment like: "okay man, like, we get it; he's bad at making conlangs. This is starting to seem kinda mean. Like making fun of the slow kid's bad art or something." But then I watched the last 1 minute of the review. Glad to see you acknowledge it and offer a little perspective. Keep up the excellent work.
i last watched one of your conlang videos a couple months ago and found them pretty interesting. now i've taken half a semester of a linguistics class and they are *so* much more interesting. thank you for these
You know, it's good to know that, despite everything we've heard on this show, that Mitch and Jack are still so friendly towards one another. It fills one with hope, you know?
Well, at least he doesn't pretend his language is the superior way to speak and call every speaker of the language he based it off a murderer for refusing speaking it.
@@Thomaas551 It's an event on french speaking conlang forum, when a guy invented "Fra" a french based aux-lang and he was so convinced it was better than regular French or any other language for that matter because it supposedly got rid of ambiguity that he would slander any one who would criticise it of being "oldthinkers" and "too attached to old ways". He also had a video on his youtube channel where he would argue that you are a murderer for refusing to speak Fra because potentially mortal accident could arose from misunderstanding due to homophony and ambiguity in other languages. Ah and he was fixated on using only ASCII symbols for the writing system of the language and so /ø~ə/ was written and nasal vowels (because he somehow didn't got rid of it, one of the most complicated aspect of French pronunciation) were written and .
honestly, i feel a little bad having requested this language (however long ago i did that, i had legitimately forgotten ever doing so). sorry, mr eisenmann, and sorry mitch for being one of the people who made you feel obligated to make this. it's not a bad video or anything, i'm just sad about it
@@bootmii98 Funny you should say that. I was an intro to linguistics TA in Vancouver in 2015, and the undergrads kept getting that question wrong because a lot of them have Canadian raising before voiced codas as well. It's spreading.
I'm both disappointed that this is your most recent video, and super glad that youtube randomly recommended this video, and I was able to find the rest of the Conlang Critic series (which i binge-listened to this evening). I'm a big D&D fan, and also one of the only people in my friend group who wants to put effort into running the game and therefore am usually the DM, and I've always wanted to build a conlang for one of my worlds. This series, and your notes on the good and bad parts of many of these conlangs, has reinvigorated that desire within me, especially your critiques and thoughts on fictional languages like Kelen, Drsk, and Dothraki.
I'm really glad you've decided not to cover any more eisenman conlangs. there comes a point where it just feels like punching down and your stuff has improved so much since those early days! I'm really excited to see what comes next, especially after watching the video you just posted a bit ago!
Me: well... I've seen worse conlangs I think... Iqglic: As an international auxilliary language, I only use feet and miles Me, a proud European: Eh nope this is the worst one I've seen
as a person who says (and hears most of the time) trap, father, bath and start all with the same vowel and Lot, cloth, thought and north all with the same vowel I am confused. I'm happy for you who can tell the difference between those!
@@Salsmachev I'm a native speaker for a language with only one "o" vowel and according to my english teachers I have "my own accent" if that helps you understand why I speak and hear the way that I do
@@mariasolenardelli3745 Ah that makes sense. I thought you were saying you were a native speaker with an accent that does that. If your first language has an a sound, it's probably closer to the sound of o in lot, cloth, and thought than the o sound.
Weird. My native language has only one O too and I recognized six vowels in the lexical set(if you consider long ah to be a vowel and include the diphtong). Trap and Bath are pronounced with an "eh" like sound. Start and North have r-coloured vowels, an r-coloured ah on start and an r-coloured oh on north. The "thought vowel" is a diphtong and it sounds the same as the O in flower. Father, cloth and lot all share the same vowel but the A in father is a long vowel, whereas the vowels in cloth and lot are short. I guess this is caused by me trying to imitate natural accents convincingly.
@@k.umquat8604 You're very perceptive in identifying subtly different phonemes. But thought and flower sound the same to you? I'm a native English speaker and I don't think there are any dialects where thought and flower are the same vowel. The "ow" in flower is the same as in down and cow, which I'm pretty sure is different from "thought" for every native English speaker. What's your original language?
Hi Jan Misaly! I am a native Hebrew speaker, and something I almost never see in other languages is the way we use diacritical markings (I don't know if those can be considered diacritical markings, but there really isn't a good word for it English... In Hebrew it's called "Nikud"). Are there any conlangs that use something similar? If so, how do they stack up compared to others?
The vowel groupings were fun. It's so hard for me to imagine how to pronounce father, cloth, lot and thought with the same vowel. Trap, bath Start, father Lot, cloth Thought, north
Conlanger’s thoughts on the original English (c. 1550)? I personally thought it was a neat idea _in theory_ to combine Germanic and Romance languages into a creole of sorts, but did the spelling really have to be so counter-intuitive? Part of the reason for this is that the way it handles loanwords became so woefully inconsistent in the later versions. Are we just supposed to spell older loanwords phonetically but keep spelling new ones in romanisations of their source languages? The creator of English offered no guidance on this, didn’t respond to feedback and, if anything, it looks like they abandoned the project way before it was finished. Also, did we ever _really_ need two Indo-European languages as the source langs? A Germanic creole with say, Arabic or Chinese would have been so much more cross-cultural and interesting. But no, I guess the creator of the con-culture really just had a hardon for Ancient Rome, so that's what we're stuck with. I could have really _loved_ English, but its difficult to learn, it loses so much of what makes Latin and German interesting (No noun class system? Are you freaking kidding me?), its cultural aesthetic is all over the place. And don’t even get me started on the vowels…
6:40 The moment I recognized antenna I realized "u" is pronounced like "uh" and not "ooh". I feel like my experience with this list features an unintended bias somehow.
I agree with using the latter, as the English "ch" is two consonant sounds combined, both of which are also individual sounds in English. I've even thought of making a ligature out of the letters, as well, as "ch" has an affricate consonant sound. For the former, I've thought of assigning the "kh" sound to it. It's barely used in English, nowadays, seeing most of its usage from the Scottish and Scouse accents, but this sound is sorely needed in English, especially with many words in English sporting the ever so annoyingly silent "gh". That brings me to my next point. As much as many like to think that spelling reform would be the solution to the problems with English spelling, there are also problems with that, as well, and the English language is too far gone to just warrant that. This is why I would advocate that there be a language reform for English, instead.
I love this series! I understand you probably won't get a chance to get around to it considering how many requests I'm sure you get, but I would love to see you review a Mark Rosenfelder language. While I know it's not his most well-known, my vote would be for Lé, but that's just because I happen to find that one particularly neat.
i burst out laughing and had to pause the video just to laugh at the word 'badsensr', i have no idea why but it is the most hilarious thing ever like it's just an almost ..sweet? way to explain what censorship is, but it's also so simplistic and doesn't really allow for a perspective from which censorship is actually viewed as good or at least morally neutral
One of my favorite JRPGs has its own conlang which is part programming language, part medium for poetic expression: artonelico.fandom.com/wiki/Hymmnos_Language Would be neat to see you critique it.
It just makes so little sense that he tceyndjd ðu spelliq of lots of phonemes (presumably to avoid digraphs) resortiq to odd choices like X for what could've been a Þ, but he decided to bring back Ð for the /ð/ phoneme like it was no big xiq. I honestly would've prefered he had made double for both the dental fricative phones as English .
