Console Wars - SNES Classic Edition vs SEGA Genesis Mini 

Wrestling bios in the house! Love your channel too man . Wrestling and gaming is all I need . Makes sense I watch wrestling with gaming channel too hmm lol

I miss greg

@@Jaymcgom89 I love Greg, he seems like such a nice guy, and kinda shy / self conscious, he’s so likable. :)

Woa fancy seeing you here

Was going to comment the same thing. Dynamite Heady and Monster World IV are amazing!

I just posted this. Dynamite Heady is good all around. I just played Monster World IV with this mini and was surprised.

I haven't played Monster World IV myself, but Dynamite Heady? A goddamn classic that game is.

I guess it's because MW4 never got released on USA until the release of the Mini Console, and DH wasn't a great success at launch, maybe that was the "classics" label they meant. Both games are more like cult classics IMO, due to the fan translations and following they get on later years.

@@Sergevantes MW4 was on Wii virtual console.

It’s great to have you back!

You both have survived raccoon City

damn! Glad you're both okay

Really? Glad you make it, i just got my vaccine yesterday

@@henryb610 when I told them that joke they both chuckled and said they needed a laugh

Same. I know he was going through some really hard times recently. I really hope he's been able to get back on his feet, and I hope the support the channel has gotten shows him that people do care and his work does have a positive impact on people. Personally, channels like this as well as AVGN/GameSack/Implant/Retropolis/Teddy Rubskin (back when he was around) have gotten me through some shitty periods in my life over the years. May not have gotten around to commenting until recently, but I wish nothing but the best for these guys!

Greg is the first man to ever gain weight in prison. Good to see him out and about. Now you have to find a way to eliminate Pat. I have a plan if you're interested.

He can be the Turbo Grafx guy. Accept they murdered him with a lazer..

@Chatham Mulligan I like Pat too. I'm sure these guys are fine with all man threesome.

He looks like he could have stormed the Capitol while dressed in black and yellow, but apart from that, yeah!

yes hope he comes back full time he is nintendo no insult to the new guy but he doesnt have gregs goofyness that mixes well with dans

@@miketurner643 I think he's been doing great in the recent episodes.

He needs to be the Turbo Grafx guy now. Then all 3 can fit in.

@@Lightblue2222 Yeah they can compare the multiplatform games that released on all three... Oh Wait...

they can just edit him into the Strider episode.. oh wait..

Yes, he has Depressions - that's the Reason why he went away from Console Wars... I hope, he is coming back, maybe on the Side of the TG-16! This would be very cool!

Well he dosent have it anymore.. It takes 6 weeks then the meditation works..

@@MegaFCKforever that's fine!

I think Sam did really well this episode. Im glad other people noticed too!

Sega for ever dude sega dos what nintendont.I always a sega fan i,m now 43 sega dreamcast whas the best.I have al the sega console,s

@@ConsoleWars This is absolutely true, I was actually pretty taken aback at her effort, she said something early on that actually made me laugh out loud, a rarity for me.

What happened to him?

Same with Light Crusader. I couldn't afford a pc or PS1 to play Diablo, back in the day, and was exited to find a similar style game on the Genesis.

Funny thing is that the Turbo Mini is probably the best of the 3, a lot of games, a better overall selection than the Genesis Mini and it's the best way to own many of those games since there aren't really many ways to own most of them other than on PS3, Wii U and original hardware

@@oscarzxn4067 My only problem with the T-16 mini (or in my case, the Core Grafx Mini) is as of right now there is no hack for it. I hope that ModMyClassic or Hakchi come up with something soon, especially considering M2 did the emulation, just like the Genesis mini

@@oscarzxn4067 if you like flying shooters turbo graphics is good because that’s 99% of its library

@@oscarzxn4067 half the games are in Japanese though

@ammonitida same, recreated the game lists from those systems as a home screen playlists with arcade versions like gradius instead of nes version.

@ammonitida I know right, what isn't racist these days 🤪

@albert fish I thought they executed you Mr. Fish. Yeah, the "tower" is crap.

🤣🤣🤣😆😆 hell yeah!!! Now that's a fun console war!!! The only console war that matters!!!

Sega mini is better much better. Fuck nintendo haha i,m a sega fan sinds 1984.And stil to this day i have al the sega console,s

He should come back and make the console wars a trio. Two SNES guys vs one GEN guy.

Technically 44 if you count Puyo Puyo and Probotector. (only playable if you console is set to a certain language)

@@BAKU2K2 very true

Why do the games look like doo doo

Yeah now Nintendo doesnt listen to their fans and just repackage the same games for full price over and over 🧐👌 Ninten-doing what Sega died doing

Mine has every SNES game on it. 😂

That was definitely a nice surprise.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Yeah, but to be more authentic I guess they couldn't pair the model 1 with the 6 button controller

@@ConsoleWars they did include the six button controller in the version of Asia and Japan, and if they wanted to be more authentic they shoudln't have included games that need six buttons

The Japanese one does

@@oscarzxn4067 The European version has the 3 button controllers. megadrivemini.sega.com/

@@shockz1715 ok, fixed

but, as they say, there are many other ways of playing those games. Steam has them, and they're available elsewhere (certainly in the case of Dynamite Headdy). Not the same for SNES, thus it's more essential to get the SNES mini if you don't already own those games. Not that Dynamite Headdy or Monster World IV aren't great (they are), but simply that they're less essential.

@@welshfinn1 Yes, it is famously very difficult to play Mario World and Link to the Past.

@@printthelegends well, compared to most Megadrive games it actually is. I mean, you can play Megadrive games through Steam, and Xbox/PS online stores/compilations. You can't do that with either Mario World or Link to the Past. So, apart from OG hardware, SNES mini or Switch you're knackered. If you don't want mainline Nintendo hardware, what options do you have to legally play the games?

@@welshfinn1 I don't think people who don't own or want to own Nintendo hardware are the key demo for the SNES Classic.

@@printthelegends I'm more interested in fact than opinion. Do you have any data to support this claim?

I know for a fact that the 3DS virtual console is still online.

@@baalfgames5318 Yep, the 3ds one is still online, but I was refering to the wii's one with it's awesome catalogue

Was actually Pat who said that. Not Greg.

The main thing I dislike about the Snes choices is that they pick the first games when the sequel is arguably superior, MMX not MMX2, and DKC not DKC2. Star fox 2 and FF6 are the exceptions, but unlike Genesis they didn't include the past games too, because why not have both? I see no reason they couldn't have included more. Genesis Mini has Streets of Rage *2* both Sonic 1 and 2, and Monster World 3/4 It just makes the game selection on Snes seem less interesting

@@JetWolfEX I think Sega Mini has the same problem. No Shining Force 2. No Sonic 3.

@Justus Bowman The Japanese version does have Shining Force 2... that hurts.

@@ConsoleWars Also, some of the additions in the SNES classic are kinda questionable. F-Zero and StarFox may have started their franchises, but have aged horribly bad. And Kirby's Dream Course... it's not bad but I'd say is even less remembered that some of the examples you gave to the Genesis Mini. Also, no Chrono Trigger.

This is a good comment. Super Fantasy Zone is incredible and I won’t hear anything bad about it.

Yeah that's a good comment. I was wondering all these same things, also not saying Sega should have won. Even if based on the controller decision by Sega alone, I think the SNES wins here. But damn, Wily Wars was a long ass time coming. It didn't even get a mention.

Totally agree. The Monster World games are amazing, Dynamite Headdy is also a super fun game. Furthermore, alot of these SNES games are available on Switch, as well as some of them being available on other compilations.

Glad you enjoyed

I have a hard time believing someone was praising the PlayStation Classic. I bought mine when it went down to $50 and then a week later it was being sold for $30 and I felt cheated.

I waited for it to be $20. Then immediately hacked it. Now it's worth it.

That goes without saying

@@FoxerTails Darn right it is. Once it was hacked it became my main mini console. Doesn't mean I'm not pissed that Sony didn't put more effort into it. It could have been great. Oh well, that's what the homebrew scene is for.

Technically it was released before on the sega channel.

@@ConsoleWars fair enough

@@ConsoleWars That reminds me. I know I mentioned in the Discord about adding Dynamite Headdy was to show off the best games that Treasure offered on the Genesis/Mega Drive, but they could have added another Sega Channel exclusive: Alien Soldier, to replace Alex Kidd.

@@ConsoleWars He meant it NEVER got a full Retail release until 2019.

@Cacy Mays all of them are better when modded

@Cacy Mays Actually, apparently not. Apparently the SNES Mini actually runs PlayStation roms better than the PlayStation Mini, with less slowdown and the like. At least that's what I read/saw reported.

@Cacy Mays I love Hakchi! Did you use Autobleem or Bleemsync/Project Eris for the Playstation Classic assuming you have one?

@Cacy Mays You don't happen to know where someone could find a great Autobleem build that's already done just to throw on a drive do you?

Yeah! That game rocks!

Dynamite Headdy has one of the best soundtracks on the genesis/mega drive

Yeah I told them that myself earlier.

@@xGolbezx "You got a secret bonus point!" Treasure. That is all.

And it can keep going. I can put in my woody...what? my woody from toy story.

I don’t think it would fit. At least the CD could stand upright.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Disagree. There's clear anti SEGA bias and POOR consumer advice to spite SEGA. The Genesis Collections are BAD investments as they lack variety, suffer from 50 PAL Mhz, do NOT have the 3rd party rarities. Genesis Mini does and it is Horrible playing SEGA titles on PS4 and Xbox Controllers and they know it. Console Wars is very one sided, and clearly dislike SEGA as a competitor to Nintendo which is the way it SHOULD be. This is the poorest video they've done. Just shameful.

@@segaunited3855 yea a lot people in their 30s are bias because they grew up with Nintendo’s nes and nostalgia blinds them. If the sega mini did something as simple as having 6 buttons controllers and adding Sonic 3 and knuckles it would definitely be the clear winner

@@Nobunaga1983 The Genesis Mini DOES have 6 button controllers. What are you talking about? Also, if you want to be Black and White about it, then why on earth doesn't the SNES classic have Kirby Superstars OR Yoshi's Island?

@@segaunited3855 i have the us American sega mini and it came with two three buttons controllers. I agree with you I prefer the sega mini

@@Nobunaga1983 The Genesis Mini came with two 3 Button controllers with the 6 button sold separately. The way it used to be. I'm glad you agree with me, My apologies if I appeared a little cynical. I'm mortified at this channel's anti SEGA bias. ITs like they RESENT Nintendo having SEGA as a competitor.

Thunderforce 3 is so much better than Thunderspirits..

@@merlijn2000 That's not the point. Still want to see them do a comparison

Glad you enjoyed it!

True I got a genesis mini myself on my birthday

@albert fish overall the Mega Drive mini is the better deal. More quality games at a lower price, with the emulation being very good on both consoles. They are both good, but the MD mini gives you quite a bit more quality gameplay for what you pay.

@@starpier More games yes. Quality nah. The genesis mini has alot of filler and the snes mini came packing heat with it's game selection. And to the point in the video you can get a better value of genesis games with a way better controller on the Sega Genesis collections. Of course you can find the genesis mini. Not that many people need it to play genesis games. All the inferior atgames consoles and the numerous sega collections make the mini there a dime a dozen.

@@n8bit874 even taking into account the fillers, which are there I dont deny it, you still have more quality games than on the SNES classic. Or should I say for what you "paid" because right now finding a new SNES classic for less than 150€ is impossible. The Mega Drive Classics collection lags unfortunately so I would not play those games there over the MD mini. If you want the better controller, the officia 6 button controller is dirty cheap at less than 20€.

@@starpier I certainly see your point on availability right now. I got lucky when they released the snes classic and the rereleased the nes classic my local store actually had both in stock so I only paid retail for them. So for what I paid I more than got my money's worth. I did buy a 6 button controller for the genesis mini but I am talking about right out of the box if you can get it for retail and not having to buy a third party controller I feel like you get more quality out of the SNES classic. That doesn't mean the genesis mini doesn't have great games that are exclusives. The wily wars, monster hunter 4, Alissa Dragoon and the Illusion series. They are both great. But I still think the snes classic has more bang for the retail buck.

Thank you!

Virtual Console: Am *I* a joke to you, too?

I was thinking the same thing. It’s part of how I justified not picking it up was I already had most of these on my Wii U virtual console. Star Fox 2 was the only thing I couldn’t get if I wanted to and...guess what’s on Switch Now?

To be fair though, Switch Online service is more of a rental service you play monthly or yearly to keep playing these games, so it doesn't feel like you legit own these games. Virtual Console is a good argument since once you bought an SNES title on Virtual Console, you do own it. But Virtual Console doesn't count as a compilation. SNES Classic Edition is really the only way to actually buy an SNES compilation since it doesn't help that Nintendo never usually make normal compilations of their old school games. Sega normally makes numerous of compilations over the years to buy . If you ask me, I wish Nintendo brought the Virtual Console back for the Switch so I can buy these previous generation of games because as I mentioned before, in the Switch Online service, you don't actually own the NES and SNES games.

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Let's be honest most people MOD their snes mini to play other consoles, you could just mod the Genesis library in by ripping roms and llaying them on snes Mini and get all the Snes features. I still love the Genesis mini, but snes wins

@@StarForceBelmont321 You can also mod the genesis mini

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CEX? That means you are from the UK where Sega stomped Nintendo, I was a fan of both growing up, the Snes had a couple of very heavy hitters and the rest were just ok/good games where the Sega had one or two heavy hitters and quite a few very good games and some ok games. Starfox 1 and 2 had terrible framerates, the controllers were unusable without extension cables, and I bought the Asia version of the Sega console that cost the same and came with 6 button controllers, I also like the option of aspect rations so Sega won, the filters sucked more on Nintendo, and holding start was easier than getting up to reset, also at least I can use the Sega controllers for my pc or a raspberry pi, can't say that about the Nintendo controllers so its better value.

Yea definitely each to their own as I have both consoles (original and Mini) and I can confidently say I have way more fun with the Genesis.

@@revengenerd1 I don't recall if Genesis actually outsold SNES in the UK, but it absolutely got demolished by Nintendo in every one of the major territories of that time (America, Japan and Europe) regardless of one or two random victories in various countries (like Brazil for example). It's basically irrelevant that you state Star Fox had/as a "terrible frame rate" because at the time it came out it was more than good enough to make the game an absolutely brilliant experience--please check any/all reviews from that time if you doubt this for even one second--and even now is still great fun to play regardless of the lower frame rate. Back in the '90s and the time of the console wars, Star Fox was a technical marvel (very few games indeed ran in full 3D on any home consoles at that time, and even at like 20 fps it was still mind-boggling to see), a masterpiece of game design and a total system seller that was only on SNES, so your negativity towards the game here doesn't carry any real weight. Star Fox is legit, and certainly still more technically impressive than any and every game on the Genesis Mini. Yeah, the fact you got a version with the 6-button controller still doesn't mean much: The Genesis/Mega Drive Mini only has a couple of games that even take advantage of it, whereas most of the games on the SNES Mini take proper advantage of that standard controller's unique features in one way or another. Eh, the SNES Mini has better display options than the Genesis/Mega Drive Mini, particularly the superior scan line filter and the much better pixel perfect mode. And the border options are just far better (although I tend to stick to plain black anyway). Yes, the annoyance of having to get up to reset the console is the only legit issue you have raised--and I could raise the too short controller cable length as another one--but I luckily fixed that by hacking the machine and adding in a quick button combo that does the job even more effectively than on the Genesis Mini, and I also bought a couple of cord extenders so I can now play very comfortably sitting on my couch. But, yes, without doing that hack, that is a really dumb design decision on Nintendo's part there. Overall though, the SNES Mini is just superior to the Genesis/Mega Drive Mini. And, hey, just like in the good old days, SNES [mini] also outsold Genesis/Mega Drive [mini] once again.

@@inceptional Sega came from nowhere and took a huge chunk of Nintendos base, and it did dominate in most of Europe, why is it "irrelevant" to tate Star Fox's framerate when it was stated in many magazines of the time? Yes they praised it but they did mention the framerate, maybe more so in PAL territories due to being slower automatically .Sure it looked good bar the framerate but it required additonal chips as did quite a few Snes games as it didn't have the raw power to do it without it, the one Sega game that did was impressive. Also bear in mind Sega was a nobody in America and took a good chunk of Nintendo's fanbase, and that was even with Nintendo's draconian rules and policies, the controller thing seems to be no matter what Sega is shamed, it has 2 or 3 games that require it, then it was a bad decision to not include it, oh a version does include it, then its a waste. I and many people don't like emulated scanlines and don't care for the aspect ration much or want borders, if it was just about emulation people could just hack the consoles and get rid of the majority of the flaws. You are speaking to someone who back in the 80's was playing games when as young as 3 or 4 years old on the microcomputers and was so obssessed with gaming till my early 20's I have so many rare niche games that are worth a lot of money now and had all mainstream consoles (and now RGB modded 60hz etc OG consoles) and expensive component leads, I even the variants i.e Mega Drive 2, MS 2, Famicom, AV Famicom I wouldn't say Star Fox 1 and 2 are bad games as such just nowhere near as enjoyable due to frame rate, plus they are vastly overrated.

@@revengenerd1 A huuuge amount of SNES games used enhancement chips, and this was a very intentional design feature of the system implemented from literally day one in the Pilotwings game, so it doesn't matter if the SNES CPU was a bit slow compared to the Genesis because the chip-on-a-cart nature of sooo many of its games was part of that system's inherent design. And a whole load of games absolutely benefited from it. But, even without the enhancement chips, the SNES still had many unique strengths over the Genesis (which the chips worked alongside), such as a much higher total colour palette with way more of those colours displayable on screen at once, more proper overlapping and independently scrolling background layers, proper transparency, a bunch of very cool built-in graphics modes like Mode 7, and a superior sound chip with much better orchestrated sound and voice samples. It also has the superior controller too. So the Genesis was faster, and SNES certainly couldn't have done Star Fox without the chip (at least not faster than maybe a couple of frames a second), but it did a whole lot of stuff the Genesis couldn't. Each system had its strengths and weaknesses, but overall the SNES just wins for me personally, and by most objective metrics too for that matter (numbers of titles in library, critical acclaim and enduring appeal of its best titles, better overall sales, etc).

and Bugs Bunny Rabbit Rampage vs Bugs Bunny Double Trouble too

why they were both shit

They'll be a contender for "which one's worse"

No, the TG-16 guy has a much bigger beard.

@@WhitePointerGaming Other than that though... I swear they are twins or something.... Can't quite put my finger on it.

@@itchyisvegeta He looks identical to the previous Nintendo guy... because it's him.

@@WeskerSega I know. I was trying to imply a joke that TG16 and Nintendo could be twins or something.

@@itchyisvegeta I thought about that, but was ambiguous because i couldn't figure out if you were pointing out to old Nintendo guy (Greg) or new one (Pat), because old and new are somewhat alike.

Totally agree. You're not comparing the SNES mini to any other Genesis mini or collection. You're comparing SNES Mini to Genesis mini. Genesis mini has more games. End of story. Genesis wins

@@joeysnipes5 Exactly.

@@thepearsinator1875 Except it doesn't because the physical copy of Earthbound is worth way more than a rom file that was added to the SNES mini. The fact that it's "official" does not matter at all.

I agree. I was a irritated when the only strong argument on why the SNES mini is better than the Genesis mini is because its less special due to a lot of those titles being released on modern systems. And even after that, not bringing up the argument that there are SNES games you can play on the Switch that have a lot of games the SNES mini have and more. To me it was such a weak argument instead of bringing up the real reason people want this mini console, and that's cause M2 was behind development for it, which guarantees great emulation for these titles.

@@Renegado140 Exactly.

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Could be Neo Geo Mini Girl, or C64 Mini Girl (wont say the C64 Maxi because its keyboard makes it at least usable.)

And every other nintendo console through their virtual console catalogue

But you don't actually OWN those games, if your online subscription ends then so does your access to those games. It's also lacking some super-classics the mini still has.

True, but in fairness that came out after the snes classic. The various sega collections all came out before the Sega mini. And I don't have that cause I dont own a switch

@@ConsoleWars Thanks for the clarification!

Plus not all of the games are on the Switch SNES Online. Have you seen all those who cried about Earthbound not being on it every time new games get announced?

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