Continuous Ridge Line with Dutch Hook and Tarp Flyz or Stingerz 

Awesome! Always more to learn. I love that bit about skills, and I completely agree. I'm a knot guy (I'm a scoutmaster, so it goes with the territory) but gadgets are still fun to tinker with. Never let gadgets come before skills.

Thanks. I picked up one from AHE and I've been toying around with it in the yard. Practice makes perfect. I enjoyed book, the videos and the illustrations. I refer to them frequently.

Derek....I have been using "Zing it" for my continuous ridge line and is slick, light and makes adjusting the tarp efficient and easy. Also I simply leave it threaded with my hex tarp buried /packed away in my snake skins for easy deployment using same hardware. I find though using Dutch clips on my suspension straps and mounting them towards the side of the tree (as per Dutch's instructions) to reduce stress on both the clip and suspension strap, that the suspension straps favour one side or the other of the "V" and comes off the tree at near the same angle as the "v" versus down the middle of the "v". Combined at both ends, this makes the hammock lay offset from the tarp vs coinciding directly down the middle of tarp ridgeline for maximum coverage/ventilation and when in the hammock is very close to the tarp side, if not touching the tarp on the side being favored.. I have other suspension systems (whoopie slings, original Hennessy straps, the loop style etc) that lay down the middle of the "V" but specifically on this method of using the Dutch clips wondered if you have observed the same and how did you get around it without the additional stress on the suspension straps or Dutch clip by simply repositioned to the middle of the "v" not recommended by the Dutch clip instructions. I realize I can just live with it or simply move the clip from the side to the middle however attempting to avoid the stress on the equipment if at all possible. Thoughts? or a Solution ? using same setup if any? Thank You. By the way I have had your book and highly recommend to anyone getting into hammocking. It is my "go to" manual and has been highlighted, underscored and covered with margin notes. Well used in other words!! :-) and as an occasional camper/hammocker there is a tendency to forget after a long layoff ...so the "ultimate hang" sits in there with the hammock for easy reference. Thanks for any suggestion you have. Lou

I like that setup. So the tarp can be repositioned before tying off on the Flyz.

Man Derrick. I justrealizedthat you wrote the book. I love that book!! I also have the app. in my phone. I'm writing this while out in the woods in my Blackbird. Be blessed my friend. John

Yes, that would also work very well. My intent was to get the Flyz/Stingerz as close to the tip of the fly as possible. A loop would work if you wrap it or tie it small enough. That is a very good idea!

Hey Derek, I really like the idea of the continuous ridge line. Suggestion to look at: you can eliminate the prusik (an extra component that could potentially unwind and get lost during take-down, storage and transit) on the Dutch Hook (DH) side. Simply tie a small Apline Butterfly Loop (ABL) in the ridge line a couple of inched from the Dutch Hook. Feed the very small DH thru the tarp ring and snap it on the ABL. Tying an APL is no more difficult than a prusik, and after it's tied once it remains there without any chance of getting lost.

I really like this set up. I copied it using the DutchWare hookworm. Simple and light.

Very slick setup, Derek. Thanks for the vid. For viewers, be sure to get a copy of Derek's book, The Ultimate Hang, if you want to learn all about hammock camping. It's the definitive guide.

I use the same hardware. I found that making a very small loop connecting the hook to the line eliminates the hook flopping around and makes it easier to hook after wrapping around the tree.

Joe, for some reason I can't respond directly to your comment, so I hope you get this. The pink like is 1.75 mm dyneema Zing-it or Lash-it throw line. A lot of folks sell it by the foot or yard; several places also sell it by the spool. It is not a Whoopie Sling, although the same methods are used to bury or "splice" the line. The loop is a a locked brummel. The cord has a hollow center so you can basically bury the line into itself to make an eye loop or other types of splicing. Do a search for making a whoopie sling and you'll find it.

nice one! to un-wrap the 8-figure wrap, i pull on the first end (the pinched one). This works perfect, without getting entangled. If the line i am wrapping is very long, i would double it, so it goes twice as fast.

Andrew, once the stingerz or flyz are secured, the tarp is set. It's easy to unhook and then adjust.

You can place a tarp flyz or stingers on both ends to do end only tie outs. With flyz, you can tie the line to the tarp and then feed the line through the device and position the flyz to be near the tarp. The stingers have a hole in the device where the line can be attached and then you clip the stingerz to the tarp.

Three times a dutchfly: Just tried for the first time this method, but... Here is something for gram-weenies: I've fixed the ridge line of my tarp with the dutchfly. Take the loose end of cord through the loop of the tarp and fixed it with the dutchfly. No extra ring needed. greetings from switzerland, Chris aca pravenda at HF

It's hard to beat two stingerz. Adjustable on both ends... 😉

Nice, detailed method demo. Thanks for taking the time.

Yes and no. Unlike the two carabiner method, if you let go of the tarp, it will slide away. The trick is to hold the tarp and line together and center the tarp then clip the Tarp Flyz to the line to hold the tarp in place while you wrap the line around the tree. This one step is the key and it makes it work really well.

Very slick! I got a great chuckle out of the magic V on the fixed end =-) Thanks for posting.

Two separate ropes, each tied to the ends, just like the guy line on the edges. It's easy. You can still use hardware if you want.

Actually, I think that Paul at Arrowhead Equipment is selling a kit just like you describe (see the link in the description).

The other nice thing about that cord wrap is on deployment you can pull on that Dutch hook and it will feed out of the middle with out being tangled and you can walk the bundle to the other end. I have been trying to find out if you can use that Dutch gear with #36 bank line? Thanks for the video.

Derek, I just tried this setup in the wood behind my house. Do you find that you need to carry longer lengths of dyneema? Usually I just wrap around a tree and connect to the Dutch hook back to the dyneema. Then use a tarpflyz on the other side. Basically, I can only get the coveted "V" on one side of the hammock. Using your method, I need to use way more line to go around the tree and connect back to the tarp itself. Using my previous method with 30' of dyneema, I can get a tarp up between trees farther apart then I can using your method (both setups were with 30' of line) because I have more points of adjustment. I use soft shackles on prusiks to move the tarp where it needs to be. Just curious on your thoughts?

Leafy; if you are using poles instead of trees I would not recommend this method or any continuous line because they don't work the same way. With poles, you don't have to center the tarp because it will already be centered between the poles. In this case, I would out tie outs/guy lines on the ends and stake them down.

In case you would use tent poles instead of trees to fix the ridge line - e.g. in a camping situation without hammock - how would you route/attach the ridgeline over the spikes of the tent poles? Would you just let them run freely around pole where the pole meets the spike - assuming a taut ridge line eventually will keep things in place - a separate loop at each end attached to the ridgeline? Other??? Also what knots would you then use to attach any additional loops, rings, etc.

It looks like as you tighten the working end you tighten the ridge line and tarp at the same time. Do you have problems with the Dyneema snagging on thick/rough barked trees making it difficult for the ridge line to tighten also? Thanks, great video.

Derek, Quick question that I am having trouble finding. Can you run the ridge line under the tarp? Or does running the ridge line under the tarp cause a water leak? Specifically, s sil-nylon tarp. Found your website recently and have found a near endless amount of reading material :)

That is too cool!!

Love this setup! Could you use a second continuous loop on the tension end instead of the steel ring?

the pink line is a whoopie sling or paracord? How did you make that nice loop?

Great setup!!! My current. Thanks

Very nice. Where did you get the small hardware and thin line?

Nice! How do you rig your tarp these days? (3/14) I imagine a loopalien has replaced the dutchclip? I still like this CRL setup because it stops the poles from the tent pole mod on my superfly from touching the top of the tarp. Also its an extra like of defence if god forbid a widow make came down.

So How would you do this with two separate ropes? No continuous?

Can you slide the tarp left and right to center it once it's secured? I know you can with the two carabiner method, and I'm hoping you can with this method too.

Good stuff Derek! Have you considered attaching the Dutch Flyz with a small loop of line instead of the key ring? Knotty

Couldnt you eye splice the stinger on the fixed end, too? Seems like that would eliminate the need of having the extra loop that the dutch hook attaches to. Any concerns with doing it that way?

Dutch has Dutch clip that has the webbing come off the side of the tree. How does the work with "the V"? Or does it work?

Hi Derek! Great Video! BTW That figure 8 wrap is actually called "Hanking the Rope". Sorry! I'm a bit of a purist. I believe in K.I.S.S.! Keep It Simple, Stupid! The less bingles and bangles the better off you are. I firmly believe in knowing skills. Skills don't weigh anything, take up no place in your pack, they never break and the only way to loose them is to stop practicing them. They reside in the most important piece of equipment you own - your brain. Keep on keeping on!

Do you use the same type of adjustable hardware for the other tie outs on the tarp (the ones on the sides)?

Any issues adjusting/centering the tarp over the hammock with this method?

Thanks

I do the figure 8 wrap with my headphone cables :-)

Brilliant

I bought some stingerz, fleaz and Dutch hooks. I found them to be pointless. Just learn some knots and them why have the bling? Right? Maybe I'm just using them wrong (probably not) but this stuff just seems to be for looks.

The Veeeee!

My website is theultimatehang com. I don't sell anything besides my book, but there are lots of vendors who sell gear based on my ideas and designs. I've done a lot of illustrations for several hammock vendors such as AHE, so you'll see my work around. The hammock camping vendor community is pretty small and close so we know each other pretty well.

Where did you get that stuff sack?

I thought the point of CR was it was on the hammock not a tarp Ridge line. or well.

Having a small eye just means that you limit possibly using that same loop for something else. It's a common mistake of people that collect gear and never use it... much just as having a "short" bury. That aside, now you need to learn how to tie it all off using only knots. Keep that big cash in the account, save the weight (as minimal as it is), and L e a r n to use the technology of rope and lines (since it's been around for over 6000 years) before skipping to titanium and touting all it's "advantages". OR... just tell the truth and say you use it because it's the easiest possible way to hang a seldom-used hammock without having to know how to tie a knot. I own Dutchware also, I use it because it's easy, even mindless not because it is better in any way, just easier.

how much line is used?

Did I hear Derek bust @$$ at 2:09 in?? 🤷‍♂️

I can smell it!!! Lol

2:07 ???

did you just fart at 2:09

i have your book :)

So much work, and then you don't bother to put the focus on your hands...

great video poor audio, very poor

buddy you have a lot of limitations that's no good

Lost me at the fart. After that, just waiting for another one.....

there's a lot easier better way

These are garbage, the clip will fray and destroy the straps and they do not warranty or stand behind their products. Best to support another company that has lifetime warranties.