CONTRADICTIONS IN THE TORAH? MUSLIM & JEW DIALOGUE - SPEAKERS CORNER 

This should be a podcast. These two. I'd watch and listen for hours.

He’s very respectful, may Allah guide him

The Jewish brother is a nice gentleman. Very pleased to watch such a respectful discussion.

As Muslim I wanna give this Jewish brother a hug he so patient and respectful may Allah swt guide him Ameen

Brother josh is a true true gentleman. I've never seen someone with his calmness, composure, intellect, honesty and just. Peace. I'm a muslim but seeing this brother makes me know that orthodox Jews preach and teach kindness. He's making a good name for them.

This Jewish guy is so sweet. May allah bless him

I’m a newish muslim, that left Christianity a little after I finished my studies of christianity. Around the age 20 Even though I was not religious nor did I care or thought about a God, but something pulled me in that way. All I had at the time was the KJV Bible & I knew very little about religious matters, I thought the kJV was the only Bible that all knew was true unless a person just didn’t want to. I was really wrong but I ended up going to school to learn as much as I could, looking back now I believe Allah put me in that path. at the school I stuck out like a sore thumb, everyone else came from a religious background & was all ready indoctrinated before going to college. So even when they found out things like the Bible had been added to over the years, we was able to know this from seeing earlier copies of the same Gospel’s that are found in the Bible. The newer copies always had things that the older ones just didn’t have, than the four gospels were by four Anonymous writers that later were given the names Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John to make them seem more trust worthy. This is why it says the gospel according to so & so, that’s what it was the gospel according to four anonymous people out of the whole entire world. I also had a problem learning about Paul & just couldn’t understand how he really fit in the whole story, something within me just would not accept Paul. Anyways now I use what I learned to try to show other Christians the corruption within the New Testament.

It's a clear paradox... He couldn't decide which one was created first man or the plants... May Allah guide him to the right path.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS FAITHS, TREATING EACH OTHER WITH EQUAL RESPECT.

The Jewish guy have my respect! May Allah open his heart to see the truth in his studies and dialogs

The frum dude was schooling our muslim friend here.

This jewish man, i have so much respect for him. He is so calm and respectful, puts us muslims to shame tbh. May Allah guide him and guide us all. Ameen

Man I would love to be friends with this Jewish brother he seems so kind and respectful may Allah swt guide him!

In this series of conversation, Joshua said at one point that, according to oral Torah, Malachi was the last prophet. But than he said that person mentioned in Isaiah 42 has not come yet. So how are Jews going to recognize him? since it will contradict oral Torah. They will have to reject him as well, just like they rejected Jesus & Mohammed.

These videos are the ones I look forward to, since I get to learn. Maa Shaa Allah

When you get to knowledgeable people who want to act in the character of Mohammed (SAW) it demonstrates that debate can be had whilst maintaining respect for one another. Great job guys!

He tried saying Muslims worship stone i.e. the Kaa'ba, even though the Israelite Prophets in the Torah prostrated TOWARDS the temple, not TO the temple. It's all about direction, not worshipping inanimate objects.

For those who didn't know, Talmud is basically Tafseer

I do believe in Quran however for this video, Josh came out stronger.. he explained everything beautifully and it was really convincing tbh

May god guide him

I love these two, I would love to watch brothers like this discussing 🥰

I think this is a waste of time because the learned Jews and Christians don't believe that their scripture is a direct word from God. They will agree that there are contradictions. The more interesting question would be why do they reject the Holy Qur'an. A book that has been preserved for thousands of years without errors and contradiction. If they concede that the Qur'an is the Word directly from God then the Christians have to reject trinity and the Jews have to accept Jesus as the Messiah AS and consequently they have to accept prophet Muhammad ﷺ as Allah's ﷻ last Messenger ﷺ

This Jewish guy is superb in his dicipline, just impressed with his well behaviour 👍 both done it well! that is how to debate!

when two cousins meet.

SubhanAllah. Very good job coming prepared.

May Allah give this man Hidayah. In shaa Allah. Aamiin

Now this is a proper debate!

Lol the Jew dude demolished this guy. I’m neither Jew nor Muslim 🙌

Subhannallah. peaceful not even considered a debate.

my position's here straight and clear... unless I can see that the Quran,sunnah,the early generation and the major scholars of islam have demonstrated those parts of the torah as being contradicting,then I'll accept them as contradictions...if not then I have no right to degrade and find errors in the verses...because those might be the true words of Allah and not included in the distorted parts of the book,and prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was careful about it for which he once told one of his companions in an incident that to not believe nor disbelieve in that which they (the jews,the christians) speak about from their books (reported in a sahih hadith)...so I am free from the accusation of contradictions,unless backed by proof from authentic islamic sources...and I think all muslims should take that stand...I ask forgiveness to Allah if I'm wrong..

Half of the video should have been 3 min long. Josh answered it. He gave a nuanced reply. Similarly, there are "contradictions" in the Qur'an that are taken out of context kor poor translation such as the case of the first example in the torah discussed) and can be explained if the question is asked. Should have moved on to your next contradiction.

He answered everything clearly. The Torah is truth

Josh has so much patience to argue elementary understanding of the Torah. The other dude is trying to find a contradiction that doesn’t exist.

Joshua is living the commandment to be a light unto the nations.

Walaikumus Salam wa Rahmatullah from Bangladesh! 🇧🇩💗

@10min. It looks like Gen1 is about grass and trees. and Gen2 is about field plants like wheat, etc which people grow..

as far as I know, in Torah is nothing like „this is the last message, dont believe in anything that comes after it“ (correct me if im wrong). In Quran there is. So HE has to disprove Quran and not WE the Torah because Quran is for all mankind and Torah was just for Bani Israil. I dont get the discussion. They believe that there were many prophets with different Books, so why do they stop at Musa and dont consider Muhammad (saw) as a prophet? HE has to disprove Islam, because everything is from one source and we as muslims claim that the same almighty in which they believe send down the Quran.

GOD bless you 4 this information..See without information..You get frustation and contempt..Teach all who will hear..What is true will attract all who know 2 see..

MashaAllah what a nice way to have a discussion

this is why god said the jews were the chosen people to teach the others and love others and show respect josh just wants to teach ali and open his mind to this beautiful law and truth

Simple explanation: they were created in potential and after were brought into being.

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I love how he says Moshe..

6:10 oops, did the torah just say that the moon creates its own light while in the quran it says that the moon is a reflected light from the sun...

The first contradiction about the plants reminds me about somethimes when the Quran in English is misinterpreted.

This is why I encourage Muslims to read the Bible, I would have simply told him to open his Tanakh to Jeremiah 8:8. The story of Isaac and Ishmael is a very obvious corruption. Ishmael was 14 when Isaac was born. So after Isaac was weaned Abraham sent away Hagar and Ishmael (for a 2nd Time?) Ishmael would have been 18 or 19 when Isaac was weaned but when he is sent away again he turns back into a baby. This only happened one time (not 2) and Muslims travel between Safa and Marwah in remembrance of this story. Also according to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the greater covenant should of went to Ishmael (so they changed the story but forgot to change the law). Also I don’t understand how the Oral tradition stresses that Malachi was the last prophet. Malachi is a very short scripture in the Tanakh with only 4 chapters. God says before the Day of Judgement that He’ll send the prophet Elijah, so prophethood wasn’t closed. This is the connection between the Tanakh and John the Baptist (Yahya) who like Elijah came at a time when Israel was in disobedience and killing God’s prophets. They had a lot of false prophets or scribes and setup idols as equal to God such as Baal. Just like how Elijah was succeeded by Elisha, John was succeeded by Jesus. Despite being unworthy to even tie Jesus’ shoe straps because he was given the Kingship of David, still John nonetheless Baptized Jesus like how Elijah gave Elisha his cloak. This is what was told to the priest Zachariah who was visited by the Angel in the opening of the gospel Luke (which is narrated in the 3rd Surah of the Quran). I think the jump from Christianity to Islam wouldn’t be hard for him so maybe he’ll be guided inshallah

This is how a debate should be. Intellectual and not just shouting over one another. 👏👏

Bro you could've used the example of Aaron allegedly making the calf for actual worship. In Islam Samiri did it.

I can watch this for days 😂

I also think that over the many ecumenical councils and political and monarchy influence over the ages , bible Torah had to be edited many times to agree with the politics and scientific trend of the time , thats why and how contradotions were introduced .

In Islam, we believe prophets haven’t committed major sins. The idea of Solomon used black magic is totally rejected.

I’m Muslim but the Jewish guy here explained well and respect him for his humble. Respect to Ali because he didn’t argue too much, he just accepted the explanation. Modern discussion 👏👏

love the jew, he is a good and nice representative, thank you

Wa ʿalaykumu s-salam from Bangladesh 😁

Contradictory Order of Creation Fussllat 41:10-12 and Al-Naareaat 79:27-32 ( Two different account of creation)(Same Creator) Al-Nesa 4:82; Younus 10:37

It's so fascinating to see how Ali jumps from question to question and after receiving the answer from Josh, just saying “oh, let viewers decide weather it works” Great video, it's good when there are peaceful discussion. But the main point what this video shows is that we received Torah and Its explanation directly from G-d through Moshe, Blessed be his memory, together with 3 million people approximately And no one can explain or direct us in It's meaning exapt G-d. No other gentiles, such as Muslims or Christians Through all history Christians and Muslims were coming to us to correct us and say that we need to follow this and that. We never went to anyone. So let it be like this Keep Islam for other gentiles of the world, and everything will be okay. And if you want to know more about Torah, just come to any Jew, and we’ll teach you what one or another Verse means

The Jewish guy modesty is shown simply by the phone he carries, no smart phone so he won't fail by seeing wrong things.

I just heard a rabbi say that there are contradictions in the Torah on purpose because it is a living thing, so even if there are two things that contradict each other and are saying the complete opposite thing from each other, both statements are true because it is living and the contradicting verse can be true at another point in time. Lol, I can see how this is probably a stretch on their part but it is interesting because although there are no clear or even vague contradictions in the Quran, we do think it is living and the Words in it transcend throughout the times.

Will the interviewer explore/research the late rabbi kaduri from israel who lived till 108 years of age and instructed a letter should only be open once he has died. When this was done Rabi Kaduri revealed Jesus son of Mary to be the true messiah....wonder if u can ask josh this question who by the way is an excellent young man love the way he engages ever so politely well done!

Both have really good points. The snake part even if let's say Moses did make an idol (accidentally which both parties agreed on), but according to Salam because Moses made an idol he isn't qualified to be a prophet, but in Islam Jesus was also a prophet and still is considered that despite the contradiction with having made idols accidentally which birthed Christianity (Son of god & Holy spirit). SO even if the point he was making is correct then both parties are losing.

There it is

Exodus 32:2-6 Aaron fashioned the golden calf made an alter before it and said tomorrow is a feast to the Lord. He said prophets don’t make Idols but clearly here we can see that Aaron did

Respectul and cute jew 😍😍😍

Let's look at Josh's question on Azr or Terach, the father of Ibrahim [عليه السلام]. Josh states that Terach is the father's name however many of the scholars of Tafsir agree on the issue and they state 'Azr was a babylonian word used to insult Terach or address him. So this is why Ibrahim [عليه السلام] called Terach 'Azr. Another explanation was due to 'Azr having a connection to the word Azur (one strong and does his job well) and due to Terach having a high position in Nimrod's court, like a vizier, he was called so. Same issue on Haman (meaning high priest). Now this opinion is a popular opinion however I follow the other popular Islamic opinion and I found it very plausible. That opinion is that 'Azr is how Abraham addressed his father and I myself hold to this opinion and this opinion does not mean that Terach is not his name. Rather in semetic languages one can change the form of the word to express love like for Eg. Abi (meaning my father) which can be turned into Ubay to express love or Ibni (my son) which can be turned into Bunay. So the word Terach, in some Jewish sources, Talmudic literature had Zarah for Terah, Zarah ending up as Azr due to the Semetic form change in addresses and Arabic accent like how Moshe became Musa due to accent. So perhaps, his name was Terach however Ibrahim [عليه السلام] called him Azr, just like how the Prophet's servant was Anas however he [صلى الله عليه وسلم] called him Unays. So his name and how Abraham called him could be two different names. I myself have an official name which nobody calls me with except my father sometimes. Nowhere in the Qur'an does it mention that Abraham's father's name is Azr rather it mentions Abraham addressing his father as Azr. (۞ وَإِذۡ قَالَ إِبۡرَ ٰ⁠هِیمُ لِأَبِیهِ ءَازَرَ أَتَتَّخِذُ أَصۡنَامًا ءَالِهَةً إِنِّیۤ أَرَىٰكَ وَقَوۡمَكَ فِی ضَلَـٰلࣲ مُّبِینࣲ) And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) said to his father: " Oh Azar do you take idols as gods? Verily, I see you and your people in manifest error.” [Surah Al-An'am 74] And due to this way of how Ibrahim addresses him so did the Prophet [ﷺ] and the rest of the Muslims started addressing him like this. If Josh has no problem with accepting that the cananite wives were actually one wife with different names expressing different characteristics and that the positive names was how Esau (or Edom a name change itself) addressed her, so too he wouldn't have an issue with the name of Abraham's father and how Abraham addressed him. If you're ready to use the Midrash to explain the Torah, then why do you ignore the Tafsir to explain the Qur'an. Note: I don't advise taking from Ali Dawah

Very interesting dialogue between these two .... I have learnt a lot of facts about Judaism, however for a scripture which is a word of God to be free from fabrications throughout the coarse of history, it shouldn't involve the mater of doubt in any form at any point... The Jewish scripture has this unlike the Quran...

Would ali dawa hold the quran the way he was holding the torah?literally near his feet! We should respect all religions and their text books

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That guy seemed nice

Torah is very hard to understand and to interpreted but we have alot of common than in bible .

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Why is he laughing when Ali said "We don't worship Kaaba" I think Jewish guy thinks we worship Kaaba.

I think that the chapter 2 is not a chronological acount of creation . Its just a summary maybe .

Alhumdulillah i dont have any doubts in My deen however i dont think these contradictions were clear like thr bibles many contradictions

They saw God, they weren’t allowed to be in His presence. We are told that whoever would stand in His presence would die, so you would have to have God’s favour and Mosheh had that favour. The others saw from a distance, so they KNEW God did show up, this HOLY GOD of Israel who speaks to Moses with power and who is the I AM.

In response to the serpent made of brass. One could also say that about the stone of Mecca. We know that the stone of Mecca today, is not worshiped as an idol. However, Muslims believe that Abraham built it , and then the Arabs later on, before the time of Muhammad , started worshipping the stone as an idol. But then after Muhammad claimed that it was built by Ishmael and Abraham, then now today it’s not worshipped as an idol anymore.

Better than a comedy show. 😂

This is unbelievable...bu he explained to you that God created the *seeds* in the first chapter! The seeds! The SEEDS🤦

you make seed before man so every seed was planted THEN MAN and then the seed sprouts into vegetation when man tills it

Josh is like 🙆🏽‍♂️🙇🏽🙆🏽‍♂️🙇🏽🙆🏽‍♂️🙇🏽 lol (within respect obvously)

Great discussion but there is evidence that the Jewish Torah was altered. The Dead Sea Scrolls of 1946 include the oldest known version of Deuteronomy, such version aligns with the Samaritan Torah not the Jewish one. So, until a new scroll is found, the most ancient source document is not even Jewish(Judah’s house), it belongs to the Kingdom of Israel(Samaria).

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I’m Muslim. I think this discussion would have been far more beneficial if you both spoke Hebrew. It’s the equivalent of a non Arabic speaker trying to debate a quranic arabic expert on verses of the Quran. Without speaking Hebrew I don’t think we can fully understand the nuances of the grammar etc of the Torah and we all know that English translation is not the same as the original. Hebrew is probably a very eloquent expressive language (if that’s the right word) like Arabic so English most likely doesn’t give the verses their due right. I actually think his explanation for the plants vs man discussion makes sense. Also we must remember that we don’t know how much of the Torah is Allah’s preserved word so you could be arguing with him over something that came from Allah. We have examples like this in the Quran where Allah appears to say one thing in one place and another thing in another but anyone who understands the Arabic or who knows their religion knows they are not contradictory. So it’s not inconceivable that Allah could have used a similar style in the Torah. We know that Torah is from Allah so whether plants are before or after man doesn’t affect the veracity of the book. Jews worship in almost an identical way to us. We know much of their book is correct and we are not supposed to debate over any of it because we don’t know what is from Allah and what isn’t. I think what’s more important than finding supposed contradictions in the Torah is proving to Jews who are otherwise “Muslim” like us that Prophet Muhammad was a true prophet and that the Quran is from Allah. I mean where else did we learn to pray and worship like them. Where did we get such a pure monotheistic religion from that resembles theirs so much and has an eloquent book with unique literary style that no one can match to this day. Not the poets of Quraysh 1400 years ago and not the top Arabic language professors today. Where did an illiterate man in the desert 1400 years ago get this eloquent book from that detailed past events,predicted future events and has scientifically accurate facts in it? I think that’s the part to focus on. How do we worship the same god as them in almost an identical way with similar rules without having had a prophet to guide us. The learned Jews of Medina at the time of the prophet conceded that he was a true prophet. Some accepted his message and others said yes he is a prophet but he is for the gentiles. They even used to test him with questions about the past like the Dhil Qarnayn (Of two horns) (? Cyrus the great or Alexander the Great) and of the sleepers of the cave and Allah would answer them through the Quran. He provided them with answers to questions they thought he could never answer. The Jews of his time in Medina acknowledged that he was a true prophet.

What did God mean in the Qur'an when he spoke about the Torah? Is it a different Torah?

Hahahahaha... Why did you have to create this background theme? If you had done it in the studio, we have watched it anyway.

Hold on, this guy had a problem with Ibrahim (PBUH)'s father being named differently in the Torah and Quran, but justifies the contradiction of the same woman having different names in Torah?

if man came before the plants then how did they breathe

@Yas ارجو ان لاتكون زعلت مني في نهاية الأمر انا لست عالم عشان افتيك تكلمت بما فهمته فقط ولا اعلم ان كان الحق معي او معك فلذلك اسأل الله ان يهديني ويهديك إلى الحق وارجو ان تعذرني

Everyone knows that the plans , water, sun, moon,day and night and rest of them were created first.

Daughter of Ismael would have been Esso's first Cousin

Nice debate

I Believe That Man has messed up God's instructions regardless of what religion we are raised in. The Golden rule is to Love God and Love your fellow man as a brother regardless of his ethnicity, or nationality, or religion. This is The true Path to God In My Opinion. The Torah, The Christian Bible, and The Quaran all Have contradictions. Regardless The Truth still shines through. God Wants Us to live Justly, Honestly, and Lovingly.

Contraditions in the bible and quran.... what do we do now?

28:08 Understandable conclusion but its incorrect because Isa (as) did the same thing, he made a bird from clay which Allah gave life to as it says in the Quran: 3:49 وَرَسُولًا إِلَىٰ بَنِىٓ إِسْرَٰٓءِيلَ أَنِّى قَدْ جِئْتُكُم بِـَٔايَةٍۢ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ ۖ أَنِّىٓ أَخْلُقُ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلطِّينِ كَهَيْـَٔةِ ٱلطَّيْرِ فَأَنفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًۢا بِإِذْنِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ وَأُبْرِئُ ٱلْأَكْمَهَ وَٱلْأَبْرَصَ وَأُحْىِ ٱلْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ وَأُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا تَأْكُلُونَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُونَ فِى بُيُوتِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِى ذَٰلِكَ لَـَٔايَةًۭ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ ٤٩ and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird-by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life-by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe. - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran A prophet making this type of thing on the command of Allah is not incorrect.

Sometimes Ali see the angle for similarity, I know you have a prewritten angle but take time to see how you can use the responses to bring about your point. I would have used the transgression of the brass snake along with the transgression of the golden calf to explain why the messenger came from a 'gentile' nation as the people of moses had turned their back on the word of the Torah and also give modern day example interms of the non jewish israeli state. Are your leaders killing innocent people of the same one God, who he has agreed are fundamental in spreading the true message of God among the gentiles? (Video 1) he is close to a shahadah inshaAllah

@all Josh is saying that during many centuries children of israel did not really undertood the Torah till the Rabbis (wrote) came up with the Talmud since its the only book that explain well the Torah, seems even children of Israel after Moses couldn't understand the Torah in their time and afterwards 😂😂😅 May Allah guide u Josh if u sincerely looking toward that as Kaa'b al Ansar, and many other sincere Jews...

26:45 any ignorant person from any religion would not give anyone their holy book like that, “yOu’Re NoT wOrThY” 💀

Guys if dr.William who is schoolar of old testement and new testement scientificaly could answer this who is this guys he is just new student learner

Its literly dont say that the man created beafore the plans

moses already dead and the torah still writing books thanks allah for islam

Not to be disrespectful but he really sounds like ben shapiro