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Control & Consistency: Explaining Every BANNED Card in the Pokémon TCG’s Expanded Format Episode 5 

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The Pokémon TCG’s Expanded format has had a varied reputation from facilitating exciting and unique interactions to downright degeneracy. Occasionally, the Pokémon Company was forced to step in and ban cards to prevent overpowered or game-breaking decks from flooding the competitive environment. This is the fifth and final installment in our series covering the history of every banned card in the Expanded format. Today we’ll be exploring the history of the mascots from Expanded’s most powerful control decks and closing out with the most powerful consistency card in the modern era of the game.
Script by Jake
Edited by Lily
The List
Intro: (0:00)
Sableye: (0:25)
Oranguru: (13:29)
Shaymin-EX: (16:28)
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@ChaoticMeatballTV
@ChaoticMeatballTV Год назад
Shaymin-EX was the card that made me understand why hard once per turns need to exist. Really wish Pokemon would use them more!
@2rare2die26
@2rare2die26 Год назад
Heck, I used 4 Shaymin EX in my Zoroark GX deck before it got banned. And 4 in my Night March deck. And 4 in Lost March Turns out, before it got banned, Shaymin was arguably the best draw card in the game because of the lack of that hard 1PT clause lol
@bucketslash11
@bucketslash11 Год назад
HARD once per turn, as some cards he has showcased have been soft once per turn
@Kuronosa
@Kuronosa Год назад
O.o Chaotic watches Logs?
@victikirby15
@victikirby15 Год назад
I’d love to see you do a video talking about the “Hall of Fame” format. It’s a really interesting format exclusive to the Japanese TCG that uses cards from the Diamond and Pearl expansion onward, and uses a unique banlist that limits cards in a way similar to Yugioh Duel Links, where restricted cards are given a point value, and a deck cannot exceed a certain number of points.
@jakegearhart
@jakegearhart Год назад
1:31 Is meant to be “2-hit KO’d” in case anyone was confused.
@Laura-ns9wx
@Laura-ns9wx Год назад
I was looking for this comment, thank you
@justkita3890
@justkita3890 Год назад
Masquerain misread as "Masquerina." Someone's got yugioh on the brain.
@JustMonikaVT
@JustMonikaVT Год назад
I remember when Shaymin-EX was underestimated, and considered a bad card, and then how it broke the game instantly afterwards, becoming a 100$ card.
@TheArcv2
@TheArcv2 Год назад
Shaymin-EX 3/10 much worse Uxie from Legends Awaken
@maskedfallen1331
@maskedfallen1331 Год назад
I remember pre buying 14 of skymin cause I thought it was gonna be nuts. One of the pokemon cards that I actually made a decent return out.
@deadforever99
@deadforever99 Год назад
@@maskedfallen1331 I remmember there was a guy that did that same thing but with sesimitoad ex. Except instead of 14 he got his hands on over 60 copies of the card. That's what I heard from the players anyways.
@2rare2die26
@2rare2die26 Год назад
I could very well be wrong, but I played the game during roaring skies and I'm 99.99% sure that everybody that actually played the game realized how insane shaymin EX was immediately. I'm hardly a tournament player, nor are my friends, but we all KNEW shaymin was gonna be silly good lol.
@2rare2die26
@2rare2die26 Год назад
I do think it went from a $30 card to a $60 (regular) or $95 (full art) though. So apparently the player base didn't realize it was a staple 4 of in every deck. I respectfully concede that point
@astraltophat_at
@astraltophat_at Год назад
my favorite part of this channel is hearing mr logs butcher Pokemon names
@BerserkGorilla
@BerserkGorilla Год назад
Kledeo ex hit different
@Zoey587
@Zoey587 Год назад
Lachios
@ILiekFishes
@ILiekFishes 8 месяцев назад
metal type
@whatyoulookinfor
@whatyoulookinfor 4 месяца назад
@@ILiekFishesthis one is correct in the tcg though
@sekken4209
@sekken4209 Год назад
18:28 The Yu-Gi-Oh! card names creep even into the Pokémon channel
@xypher5538
@xypher5538 Год назад
I heard it as well IP Masquerena!
@kanrakucheese
@kanrakucheese Год назад
There’s actually one banned card left: Blaine’s Quiz Show. This one isn’t that interesting though, since the reason was explicitly given: It has an effect that is language dependent and thus unsuited for multi-lingual events.
@epicness877
@epicness877 Год назад
I first played competitively during BW era, and I knew Sableye was good, but JEESUS
@dogindagrass
@dogindagrass Год назад
Those last notes about Shaymin Ex reminds me of those Sabledonk and Uxiedonk decks that were around right before black and white and compleately changed the ruleset for the new format
@sandragon13
@sandragon13 Год назад
Very glad I found this channel, this series has demonstrated how cards can be chained together to accomplish specific goals efficiently, or in this case, overwhelmingly so. I would love to see more videos of this type, perhaps focusing on archetypes and what made them successful?
@deathseraph3
@deathseraph3 Год назад
Laysheos, masquerina, and calling pigeotto pigeot. Some things never change lol.
@JeffKGaming
@JeffKGaming Год назад
You'd think a person with so many followers across multiple channels wouldn't be so sloppy lol
@codahighland
@codahighland Год назад
I haven't played in a very, very long time. I fell out of the game in the mid '00s when Yu-Gi-Oh displaced Pokemon League so I couldn't find anyone to play with. The game has changed so much since then that I barely recognize it anymore. On the one hand, the power creep is unbelievable -- Pokemon that would have been massively overpowered back then are being released as uncommons now. Lots of rules have changed, and I don't even know all of them (I didn't know about the first turn attack change until this very video). But on the other hand, cards that I considered staples are somehow now considered too powerful to ever reproduce. I really don't know how to feel about it.
@bananawallpaper
@bananawallpaper Год назад
very good write up on sableye. wasnt expecting it to go into such detail. the history of the card is probably the most intresting in the expanded format as it always seemed to be on the brink of being broken but never quite made it
@Joker22593
@Joker22593 Год назад
I surprised nobody played Looker with Oranguru (or at least it isn't mentioned here). It lets you draw three... FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE DECK!
@TheVictor126
@TheVictor126 Год назад
people did, but it was either noob bait or used as 1 offs, you are sacrificing your supporter for turn after all, and if you want to loop this strat over and over you need a way to add looker back, so you end up using your supporter for turn to get 2 cards from the discard... which sableye did without using your supporter
@nicolaistuhlmuller8718
@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 Год назад
Yeah it's ultimately just a lot weaker than sableye + time puzzle. Essentially you absolutely need vs seeker to be one of the 3 cards returned with Oranguru simply because you actually need to loop looker. This means Oranguru will always return any 2 cards + vs seeker, and since you'll always use vs seeker right away it will only return you any 2 cards in the end. Which is exactly the same thing that sableye + time puzzle does, just with the difference that you can't play supporter cards. The only way for Oranguru to be better than Sableye + Time Puzzle is by decking yourself out and having two mons with a poképower that lets you draw a card. That way you will always draw 3 cards a turn, and you can choose these 3 cards from your discard pile.
@munchrai6396
@munchrai6396 Год назад
Looker also has it's own whistle to search it out so it's not the worst idea even if it's a far cry from puzzle of time
@sagacious03
@sagacious03 Год назад
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
@KeoughSchwantiger
@KeoughSchwantiger Год назад
Great video visual. Editor really did well
@chaosbass
@chaosbass Год назад
I can tell he only plays the card game with pronunciations like “Lashios”, “Girafaridge”, and “Masquerina” 😂 Put this is really interesting for someone who only has light experience with the TCG side of Pokemon
@justaadhdgamerwesley6244
@justaadhdgamerwesley6244 Год назад
Ahh junk hunt great times lmao
@duncancrowley6643
@duncancrowley6643 Год назад
My guy has the worst pronunciation of Pokemon names and attacks, but I do like to hear about Expanded so I watch anyways lol.
@Petsinwinter2
@Petsinwinter2 Год назад
It's a recurring theme with him. He pronounces Yu-Gi-Oh cards wrong all the time, too
@10types
@10types Год назад
i wonder is this is the channel that will save pokemon. super cool content. keep it up
@davidhermosillo4669
@davidhermosillo4669 Год назад
Awesome video
@chaosbuster1275
@chaosbuster1275 Год назад
I’d be interested to see cards banned in past metagames. Slowking is especially interesting
@TwoHeadedFlounder
@TwoHeadedFlounder Год назад
I remember playing virizion/genesect against toad/puff and losing hard becuase I never could keep an energy in play. One of the moments I questioned if the game was even fun at all.
@kstanni87
@kstanni87 Год назад
Sableye sure had a lot of powerful cards that it could recycle. It would be very broken in a Lost Box deck alongside it Psychic variant. If the black one was allowed along side the purple, it could recycle Scoop-Up Nets or even Colress's Experiment for long combos.
@eyeofthetyger8504
@eyeofthetyger8504 Год назад
I use a rare varient of doll stall that uses florges. Once set up, the game turns into easy mode. And its very easy to set up within the first 2 turns, and it's fun to turn ADP into a free match. The reason not many know about this deck though is because it uses an extremely expensive card called Tropical Beach. So, I don't see it being banned anytime soon.
@josecarloszapataechaiz5682
@josecarloszapataechaiz5682 Год назад
❤ more expanded love and vids please
@munchrai6396
@munchrai6396 Год назад
I really do wish Shaymin-EX was banned sooner. The card caused so much collateral damage from cards that could've stayed legal for far longer if only this card was not pushing them to their breaking point.
@koyoyoyo1170
@koyoyoyo1170 Год назад
I remember at release people were talking about shaymin as a weaker uxie
@applenaught6768
@applenaught6768 Год назад
Here for the why cards are banned 2nd, and how the MoonSpiderLogs pronounces pokemon cards 1st.
@bradtolch
@bradtolch Год назад
Skateboard Jirachi was awesome
@Enraptored-
@Enraptored- Год назад
I live to control, and mill, I relish in destroying my opponent’s strategy for an all more satisfactory victory.
@chaoscapricorn13
@chaoscapricorn13 Год назад
I remember my sableye deck :*( it was so much fun
@FeartheMalice
@FeartheMalice Год назад
Top 10 item cards from the first sets
@TheKrabbster
@TheKrabbster Год назад
This is a very interesting video but the rainbow background effect is a bitrate killer, too many colors changing at once kills video compression, it’s probably an effect to avoid using. Also the way you pronounced Latios hurt my soul
@akiarakou908
@akiarakou908 Год назад
Maybe Scoop Up Net will also be banned in the future since it is able to scoop up powerful Pokemon-ex in SV series.🤣
@TheVictor126
@TheVictor126 Год назад
a few minors mistakes such as poke-body instead of poke power, darkrai one hit koing exs instead of 2 hit koing, team skull grunt discarding only special energies instead of any energy. but it was a good series
@IndellableHatesHandles
@IndellableHatesHandles Год назад
Had no clue that Darkrai card was good to play. I have the exact one.
@kwayke9
@kwayke9 Год назад
Shaymin EX: So busted it spawned hard once per turns and the rule box mechanic. And thank Arceus Set up Uxie isn't legal in Expanded (DP era card, imagine Shaymin EX but no rule box, so hello Life dew, and it draws to 7)
@Chiffonaise
@Chiffonaise Год назад
I don't see the correlation though, those 3 things were introduced in different decades. The HOPT condition for Abilities (at the time Poké-Powers) was introduced in 2004. Shaymin-EX itself was released in 2015. The Rule Box keyword was introduced in 2021.
@kwayke9
@kwayke9 Год назад
@@Chiffonaise 2004? Oops, I thought this was way later
@Chiffonaise
@Chiffonaise Год назад
@@kwayke9 EX Hidden Legends introduced the condition (it could be earlier, but this is afaik). In that set, it shows up on Bellossom, Lanturn and the 4 Castform forms. The most famous Pokémon with a HOPT Poké Power is probably Pidgeot RG 10 with Quick Search. It has a generic search for 1 card effect. edit: tbh I get what you mean by Rule Box, it may have been at least partially due to Shaymin-EX or in consideration of Expanded in general. Though they didn't introduce it to "fix" Scoop Up Net or Shaymin-EX, they kinda just left it banned.
@Perfectpower123
@Perfectpower123 11 месяцев назад
Damn, Shaymin EX was the first EX I got, and I thought it was terrible (I was at playground level battling back then)
@modernkiwi6447
@modernkiwi6447 Год назад
I followed this series for a week or so now, it is so satisfying to see the ultimate villain in Shaymin-EX finally getting banned Edit: also holy shit “Laishios EX” is a new one Edit 2: what the fuck do you mean Shaymin EX was never banned, legit the Crystron Halqifibrax of Pokémon TCG
@sferedog5152
@sferedog5152 Год назад
It did get banned
@jakegearhart
@jakegearhart Год назад
20:22 It's banned
@marxistharpy
@marxistharpy Год назад
I remember back when Junk Hunt Sableye and Garbotoxin were everywhere, I’d run three copies of Tool Scrapper. Couldn’t stand that deck
@lilBigBagel
@lilBigBagel Год назад
lovin it
@eyeofthetyger8504
@eyeofthetyger8504 Год назад
Side note, but I think double dragon or giratina and garchomp ttgx will be banned soon because of lugia. Using wally to evolve lugia, then placing two archeops on the bench which could accelerate all the needed energy for tinachomp gx move at max power makes for a super consistent donk deck.
@bulbibulbo3173
@bulbibulbo3173 Год назад
Wally deserve the ban .
@seantaft3853
@seantaft3853 Год назад
That combo can be done faster without the Lugia VSTAR trick or Wally. Still, the combo is evil; I'd argue DDE is the card to ban as it's the enabler right now.
@bigbang8739
@bigbang8739 Год назад
I remember I had the sabelye
@ExcuseZero
@ExcuseZero Год назад
Right in the youth, ouch... But no disagreements here
@joaov2374
@joaov2374 Год назад
Fuck, now i want to play that sableye deck. Will never be able to
@bucketslash11
@bucketslash11 Год назад
19:20 lat-e-os
@laxprincelang0152
@laxprincelang0152 4 месяца назад
Why didn’t sableye users just use Pokémon ranger to combat seizmatoad???
@caseywilson4488
@caseywilson4488 Год назад
How did you pronounce Latios?????
@AeroDragon2
@AeroDragon2 Год назад
Shaymin EX was a mistake, straight up it was a mistake
@jaykorner1391
@jaykorner1391 Год назад
Is it not LAH-TEE-OH-SEH? I’ve never heard LAY-SHEE-OH-SHHS
@kisapniaq
@kisapniaq Год назад
I’ll note, the biggest issue with the recovery is it getting back more than one card, just allowing you to reuse and snowball momentum. Cards like Munchlax don’t see the same play for that reason Now Shaymin-EX, haha, I miss Shaymin. And I sincerely dislike it being banned, as for it is a liability, but I wish there were limitations applied. If we banned Scoop Up Net, it would be much less a problem, albeit maybe ban Dialga VStar if we do unban shaymin. Worst case I’d at least prefer a limited list for things like Shaymin, Lusamine, ICA and so on. But oh well Latios [la-tee-OSE] EX also wasn’t so much a problem on ladder when Pheramosa existed, but yeah they both sucked to be against
@thomashansen7007
@thomashansen7007 Год назад
Great content. One thing though: You mispronounce FAR too many pokemon's names. Masquerina? Lasheeos? EDIT: Dendenne?!!!
@DiabloTommaso
@DiabloTommaso Год назад
Am I drunk or the shiny cards video vanished?
@thedexlogsdexlogs
@thedexlogsdexlogs Год назад
It'll be back up shortly. I have to edit out some parts
@DiabloTommaso
@DiabloTommaso Год назад
@@thedexlogsdexlogs ok so I m not drunk xD man I just love your channels this one in particular since i know nothing
@idontthink
@idontthink Год назад
Did you just call it "Den-denne"?
@torteragrotel3897
@torteragrotel3897 Год назад
Awesome video, but if thats how you say Girafarig try sating its new evolution :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
@farronssb
@farronssb Год назад
this video has been flagged for misinformation
@lovepooky
@lovepooky Год назад
Your pronunciation of pokemon names is dreadful ahaha. Its clear you're a fan of the interactions, not the underlying franchise, which is also valid.
@TopPigg
@TopPigg Год назад
I love your content but please try to Google a pronunciation of important words like card names. I'm not trying to throw shade, it's just jarring to be immersed in the history of the game only for a name to be so wrong it sounds like the narrator has never played Pokémon before. Other than that everything is amazing
@luckilyduckily
@luckilyduckily Год назад
a pokemon channel is just what you needed for more tortuous pronunciations huh lmao
@superbaas8822
@superbaas8822 Год назад
Have you considered starting your own channel and presenting things with the peoper pronunciations? Oh wait, that might involve getting off your ass and putting in some work.
@glitchedoom
@glitchedoom Год назад
"Layshios" is killing me.
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