Convention Drops Nijisanji Talents... | Vtubers and Fans Upset, Others Celebrate 

Niji fans blaming everybody but the company for the backlash is fucking ridiculous. They literally bullied two talents to the point of making attempts on their own lives. One of them tried TWICE. And this is only of what we know of

Remember why Hololive is successful? Yagoo. He is a goat. Paying for so many talents out of his own pocket even he doesn't earn close to how much the girls earn per month.

I'm genuinely impressed how Nijisanji keeps falling apart. They've been falling apart for an entire month now.

Niji is a great example of why it's important to have leadership that gives a shit.

"homophobic hate mobs?" Are they really calling people who call out Uki for being racist as homophobic?

Funny tho. Matara mentioned a reason for leaving was she felt like her fans no longer had a safe space at conventions. She felt like she needed to leave the environment of Nijisanji for her fans. Somehow the toxicity spread to her community almost like the brand spreads toxic behavior. Now that she's no longer with thay company, she noticed her fans don't face the same type of harassment. Weird.

"Law is on your side" until money runs out, sounds nice justice isn't it.

Niji fans: "Why you act like you all better than me?!" Holo fans, Phase fans, Vspo fans, Vshojo fans, other indie fans: *sit in style 🎩

Gonna point out rq: Mae is an infamous baiter that has consistently tried downplaying the doki situation and has gone to great lengths to harass people involved, including Doki.

7:05 "Yall are just being toxic" I think the correct word is "criticism" people are't being toxic towards Niji just because they want to. They're being very critical of Niji because the shitty management of that company caused Selen/Doki to take an attempt on her own life, twice... Honestly it's sad to see some Niji simps completely sweeping this incident under the rug and pretending that this company did nothing wrong. What kind of society do we live that cause people to be FUCKING parasocial towards companies??!! 🤦

I'm guessing Nijisanji will make an announcement soon. For merch

I'm actually impressed with how much Nijisanji has fallen and that it's STILL going. Starting to think this may never end

My issue with the people saying it is time to move on and forget everything, they pushed someone to the point of trying to end it all, TWICE! You don't just get to say "time to move on" after that.

I love the subtle "Calling Uki racist is homophobic" logic there.

honestly, the EN branch would have better lives if they left the company. if some people still don't like certain ex-talents even if they're back in another/original vtuber model, the ex-talents would at least start a redemption arc.

We would not be so speculative over the motivations behind why this is happening if it weren't for AnyColor being caught lying & legally strong-arming people (false copyright strikes & a recent claim about vague threats to ruin you should sign a contract on exit to get a "graduation" instead of a "termination"). I'll criticize the people who are harassing the current talents, but this is an environment that the company caused to themselves. If we can't trust their word, it's very hard to trust the word of anyone who's worked with them, even if (key word "if") they're just lying for self-preservation.

Calling it now. At this point, they'll start losing more livers as they'll realize the reputation has reached the point that nobody wants to associate themselves with and collabs will not be easy. The only choice would be to cut ties if you want to do collabs with others and get brand deals or play games you've always wanted. They'll get tired, you watch. VShojo better start opening some free spots

I wish legal battles don't cost as much, otherwise big companies always gonna win against individuals/small companies. At least Sayu already won in our heart :)

It amazes me how Nijisanji defenders see it as if it is 100% because of "harassment", and not at all because simply having Niji talents there would make people think of all the drama and ACTUAL harassment that happened. Meanwhile, they could just have a non-Niji vtuber who won't bring any baggage to the event. Also, having Enna and Millie of all people... Of course things would get weird.

4:03 lil’ bro doesn’t even realize he’s proving the point of everyone making the comments. By making the comments, the livers feel unsafe, sure; as a direct result of their own actions. Niji’s bad management decisions and further fumbling by other livers has resulted in the company and talents becoming more of a risk for Offkai to the point that the reward of having them there would be… what’s the word? Oh yeah. Negligible.

It's impressive how Nijisisters have gone off the rails so much. Simply because Anycolor hasn't yelled at them to behave (because management is made of incapable highschoolers), they have immediately turned to blacklisting and harassing anyone critical of Anycolor (that fucking document, jeezus - targeting artists, indie vtubers and youtubers), then they act all surprised when it backfires on them. Turns out you can't bully people and expect to be spared from any backlash. I'll let Harris speak: _The Nijisis entered this controversy under the rather childish delusion that they were going to harass everybody else and nobody was going to exclude them._

All of this wouldn't happen if Niji's management didnt fck it up

If Niji fans want their favorite talents to be able to go to cons maybe they should ask the talents to not bully people into multiple suicide attempts, but what do I know.

“Good call, but bad execution” are EXACTLY my thoughts on this as well!

Ducky needs to stop getting high on his own farts

To Ethyria, "Graduation is always an option" Vox

You said it just right: this situation is their own fault. But it's to be expected after a major blunder they managed awfully. Talents not attending is unfortunately collateral damage. Imagine the hit it has on the livers' morale. But both livers involved in the controversy and their most parasocial Nijifans made it all worse. And everyone is paying the price. Yet this is just one convention. If others follow suit after this, NijiEN is done. So much for the impact to be negligible...

I love how no one even thinks to think, maybe he heard that they were planning on dropping Niji 2 weeks ago, and was trying to confirm that...

It's Hilarious that Niji fans are blaming Doki fans for this. Like Nijisanji hasn't made enemies out of. Asmongold and Moistcritical. And several other large communities, the company is seen as public enemy number one. Seriously, the funny thing is if Nijisanji came out and simply said "We're sorry for being terrible, we will strive to be better." and then get rid of all the bad actors in it, that would be enough good effort to pull out of this, everyone likes a redemption story. But man, whoever does Niji PR whew.

In some good news, Mori Calliope just released a new song :)

I love all of these Niji defenders acting like they don't have just as many rabid defenders attacking people who are boycotting Nijisanji. The best analogy I've read is "it's a powder keg worth avoiding" because of both sides.

The convention's announcements on Twitter were kind of flip flopping all over the place, saying things that seemed to be responses to current events as decisions they had reached weeks prior. Just kind of bizarre and I'm not sure what to make of them after all that. Like they weren't sure if they should burn the bridge with Niji and put off making a decision on it for as long as they could.

Is it fair to say there's Ls all around here? For Niji (duh) For False, not the best edited tweet for the situation For the Expo, for waiting two weeks (or not) to drastically change the lineup, neither being a good situation for them Like I don't think anyone actually gained here.

At least they are doing the right thing and letting them all keep the assets. If the whole company closes, then there is no reason not to let them simply go indie. It does stink that Shiki's record deal didn't get the chance to go forward.

Relegation to KR, IN, and ID branch status lets gooooo

Nijisanji are definitely in the "finding out" stage.

you'd get both interest and hate for False and it's understandable. If you watch his content, you know he's both a news reporter and a journalist by heart in the vtubing community. He'll try to take the truth out of the matter, whether you like it or not.

Nijisanji RIP .. HAHAHA !!! 🤣🤣🤣

Ironic these remaining niji fans seem to care a lot about the subjective theoretical safety of the talents all of the sudden despite backing the ones who were objectively the cause for physical measurable harm to a talent

I suspect the 2 week delay is a request from Niji. That lines up right with their current communication strategy - to be quiet. Which, in this case, is stupid, because the announcement is inevitable and the later the more harm it does to their hard-core fans. At the turn of events (from bad to worse), they figured if they delay this further it will really be bad, so they asked OffKai to release it. Or, another pure assumption is they thought they had a chance to actually present their talents at OffKai. The event is not too close yet, and the general situation might be more friendly to them. Just might be. So they decided to wait. And as you see now the patience did not result in a better situation.

I'm on the side of Doki and Sayu. Screw the Nijisisters they can sink in the yacht along with the other talents plus Riku.

I mean is crazy but if nijisanji or talents decided not to attend that is the right decision. Is basically guaranteed that someone at some point was going to harass the livers.

How I see it there are four groups Group 1: the Nijisanji fan boys who harass anyone who dislikes the company. Group 2:The anti-nijisanji as a whole group that harasses anyone who has connection with the company Group 3:These people believe the livers that did bad things should take no responsibility and all the blame should be pushed on the company Group 4: These people also hate the company but also knows that not all the livers are innocent. They do not approve of harassing these livers but understand why people are angry at them

After the black video, the difference between niji talent and niji management is... well negligible. Y'all started this fire, you don't get the right to complain about the heat.

This is truely upsetting. Nijisanjis actions this past month has deeply effected the safety of livers, fans and the vtuber community as a whole. I doubt that the situation will calm down anytime soon

Maybe it took 2 weeks because Niji management only just responded to them now (after Offkai was put on the spot). We know how their management is after all.

I love how niji fan are blaming everyone for creating this toxic environment when they are literally the one created this toxic environment since zaion termination in the first place 😂

Not a fan of Niji as a company, but honestly, this is decision was 100% about the fans and not the company. They didn't remove niji talents because they're taking a stand against the company's practices, they removed them because they realized that putting niji fans and anti-niji fans in the same room was a disaster waiting to happen. Doesn't really seem like something that anyone should be celebrating. This wasn't a moral victory, it was putting the kids in separate rooms because they don't know how to be nice to each other. Also, while everyone was focusing on the fact that OffKai waited 2 weeks without announcing or or changing their marketing. I'm more confused at the fact that their initial response to False's post was to act confused and innocent regarding there being any "strange guest & vendor rejections" and to specifically claim that Niji has not influenced their decisions....as if the commotion was completely ungrounded, only to later reveal that there were indeed some unusual things happening regarding their guest list. Their first response just seems like a very strange thing to say given the announcement that followed. Like clearly this is what False was alluding to, so why try to claim that it's all just baseless rumors only to confirm it right after?

The drop is the best move tbh. Not having anything related to Niji right now will be the safest for everyone, plus Enna and Millie are the most suspected culprits behind Doki's actions that led her to almost end herself.

Man I love twitter roasting the hell outta Niji, good grief. It'll ever end, and I'm all here for it.

Right now anything Niji related is a Toxic irradiated mess nobody wants to deal with, this was for the best i think Niji livers getting booed live would have been catastrophic

So much for Selen's termination being "negligible" aye Nijisanji!? 🤣

I just remember the nijisanji petra's discord leak drama some years ago and in the picture Vox said: "hololive tech issues in shambles niji thriving." Beyond petty, and beyond ironic.

It has been one month since selen termination

At the end of the day I see a glaring difference between Niji and other corpo agencies like hololive and phase connect. It’s a mix of the head of the companies having bright personalities and none of them having a yacht

It feels like they were deliberating whether to drop them for the 2 weeks, but because of the post and mob, it broke the camel's back and they made that final decision.

Riku: "Why won't you fall?!?!" 😠😠 Yagoo/Hololive: "I cared for the talents, son." 😎😎

Although it's a rough situation for the livers I hope it hurts Niji's bottom line monetarily and in turn makes them realise they need to look after their talents better as I think it's the only way they will change but it's all around a rough journey for everyone involved including the livers which is unfortunate

this is what is called "domino effect" . whether you like it or not, everyone around the cause--the anycolor--will get damaged, the fans, the talents, merch-sellers, everyone. this is the impact of what the company has done and no matter how loud you yell to the internet that "harassing nijiEN talents is bad for them and us fans" or whatever, people won't immediately change their view on nijisanji. people WILL ALWAYS associate nijisanji with bad traits, no matter how hard you yell, no matter how hard you advertising the good deeds they've done, no matter how big is your impact, the internet will see nijisanji as that. that's just how the world works.

A lot of Nijifans are crying about this and blaming the "haters", but I'd like to remind them that this is better for the livers because they would definately be booed or worse at the convention. Dropping them would help them stay safe and make the con more peaceful. And besides, there's no "haters" here, just people disgusted at Niji's actions as a corporation. Maybe blame the corporation for treating its talents like trash and trying to ruin a talent they fired, rather than go after Doki's fans.

Dam bro, kinda wild. Rlly "negligible", huh?

At this point, I'm too tired to hate on the NijiENs involved in the black video and the fans blindly defending them. I'm just happy to see Rica (Mel) is back to streaming. PS. It's not an issue to reveal Rica is Mel because she, herself, addressed the issue in her twitter account. Also, it helps old fans to discover Rica. (The channel is Rica Ch.) Just don't mention any of it though on her streams and comment section.

Sound to me like they announced it today because they were concerned that someone may have leaked the info about nijisanji participation to False beforehand?

I think it's well deserved

Its funny how some are trying to redirect the blame to the community for the results of nijisanji company and their talents actions. Nijisanji can afford and still have enough talents available to present there on conventions.

If anything, I just wonder what Niji's PR team (if that even exists) would do to somehow make the situation worse.

Wait when did hating on an unethical company that led to, or at least knew about and ignored one of their own talents attempting suicide become "racist" and "homophobic"?

Where was Nijisanji mentioned in False's tweet? That screen shot is the website itself it just happens to have Nijisanji in it as a sponsor. They're pulling shit out of their ass and creating drama.

It's so hilarious it went from "There's limited space" to "They deserve to be there"

I laugh how they try to say that nijisanji fans are in danger As if a people would spend their money and reserve the time just to travel there for that XD It reminds me of how every media was saying that Joker movie should be blocked and will bring violent fans to theaters, etc Most likely what they would do was laugh or boo at them Or even sing or play that song about sinking the yacht XD

"Stop harassing the billion dollar company!! So toxic omg." Meanwhile the company is in this trouble because THEY were the one harassing talents and being toxic. The lack of self-awareness is stunning.

This is all Niji's fault. When they threw their tallent under the bus by mentioning bullying and then had all most all their talent support the black video they made them all targets for the foreseeable future. I even commented on this a few weeks back. My guess is it will take a year before it's safe for their talent to start going to conventions, The personal risks will simply be too high.

Niji talents: harassers, bullies, backstabbers, racists Niji talents get denied from cons Niji fans: "How dare you!"

What people dont see is, while yes, the decision was made 2 weeks ago, they needed time to actually put that plan into practice. They needed time to inform the people that were uninvited (and maybe some back and forth discussions on that front) and to put everything for the refunds in order. Stuff like that takes time. However it probably wasn't a scheduled tweet. 18:17 (if i did that time conversion properly) would be a very weird time to schedule.

there are many anti's against hololive as well but they still get invited places. Why? maybe because they arent gaslighting assholes who actually understand both their JP AND their EN audiences. Yagoo has learned alot over the years and seems to take every set back and drama to heart and attempts to do better for the talents and in the eyes of the public. I have not seen niji make anywhere near the same effort and they make way more than Cover does. If niji showed me anything, and I mean ANYTHING that could sway me to believe they actually care I would give them benefit of the doubt. I am a fan, but dear god these rabid parasocial nijifans scare the shit out of me.

Offkai's response gives very "there is no war in ba sing se" vibes. And here's the thing about concerns of safety... isn't the safety of any celebrity a constant concern? I mean hell Ironmouse gets insane flak and hate all the time from nutjobs. It's sad that such is the state of the world and the madness of "stans" but this is unfortunately nothing new. Hell look at the sweatlords in Helldivers 2 being toxic despite the overall positive vibe of the community. As for them deciding two weeks ago I don't buy it. Why not announce it then? It is either incredibly negligent, incredibly stupid, incredibly inconsiderate...or a bloody lie.

Everyone on twitter who is trying to shame the community for being toxic dont understand something very fundamental to this entire situation. You cannot win against a company or corporation in a fair fight, you just cant. The only way to beat them in their own game is to have much more money than them to survive a battle of attrition in a lawsuit that is intentionally being dragged on (this should be illegal), because like zaion/sayu herself said, you cannot hope to win against niji even if your case is strong enough to win you in court because they can still drag it out long enough for you to go broke. So... how do you beat them then? Simple, they dont care about losing money in the short term, what they do care about is their reputation. So destroy it. If the environment in conventions is too dangerous for niji fans and nijilivers to attend then you effectively force them out of those cons. the convention organizers cant guarantee their safety after all, if you start bringing armed guards or police in the scene then its no longer a safe environment for everyone else, so why would anyone attend after that? Same deal with collaboration brands like HYTE. The only way you can win against niji is to drag them down the mud like they tried to drag zaion, pomu, and selen down the mud. Use their own dirty tricks against them. Doki and Sayu may officially want us not to harrass niji, but there is no other way to win, and since niji started this by dragging them in the mud, trying to silence them or else they would defame them, and use their own incompetence as violations against them, then its only fair that we play dirty as well. The gloves are off, and this is WAR.

Don't worry guys, that convention will be *negligible* in their finances!

Is this whole nijisanji being dropped or just ethtyria? I mean are other Niji talents still presenting? Also a a good decision to protect mostly the fans of Millie and Enna because they were within the accused ones of buylling, guilty or not, I think the con is just preventing liabilities that could arise because you never know what could happen when things are still hot regarding the situation

"you guys have made the vtuber community so toxic towards niji talents and their fans so now they don't feel safe to attend" dude their agency (and maybe themselves too) literally drove innocent girl to a fucking ATTEMPT like TWICE 💀

I find it interesting that Off Kai Expo is in late May & Anime Impulse is Mid May & they haven't announced anything Niji related yet

The NDF really working overtime in their mental gymnastics The amount of delulu to think that everything is fine in NJ and they are a healthy part of the community is real

Honestly its the best for them, things may still be hot at the moment of the expo so its better for them to dip out of the convention specially for Enna and Millie

you cant tell me they canceled them to be there because false made a post, if thats true then they are super weak

I find it REALLY weird that the Niji stans are accusing the other side of being toxic and are 'worried about harassment and unsafeness' at a convention, when it is the Niji stans that put out what was functionally a hitlist saying to attack/shun basically anyone who didn't side with blackcolor over the Dokibird situation. We have some cases of alleged harassment, but all I've seen as far as actual claims is the equivalent of people at cons convincing their friends not to buy merch related to Niji. While that is somewhat unfair to fans running merch stalls at cons, at the same time, is it REALLY reasonable to expect all fans to vet them to make sure that their purchases aren't directly supporting a black company? Do keep in mind those Niji fans are also Niji fans, so their perception of what is going on is suspect, and it would be far from the first time lies for clout occurred.

people saying the community is toxic yada yada yada, bruh then DON'T START SHIT, IF YOU START NOTHING, NOTHING HAPPENS. i know it's a foreign concept, but it is even in physics bruh

I feel for the people who were left in the dark for 2 weeks but on the other hand Im kinda glad that more companies and organisations are taking a stance against niji. Abusing talents to the point of graduating and even s**cide will never be forgivable unless they plan on revamping their entire system (and lets be honest, they're not going to). The fact that the outside world (not just the vtuber community) actually gives a shit is very important in a situation like this because it challenges the company and ideals of the people that support said company and all the behaviour displayed by them and some of their talents

Yep, typical "fuck around and find out" in action. They reap what they sow

Nijisanji fans: Publish a list of people to harras and target who covered the Nijisanji situation Event organizatiors: Nijisanji isn't welcome in our event due to recent events Also Nijisanji fans: YOU CREATED HOSTILE AND UNSAFE ENVIRONMENT, STOP HARRASSING STREAMERS!!11

As someone that used to be on a convention staff, OffKai made the right decision, but they made it too late. It is true, it would be unsafe for the talent, but at the same time (again as a former convention staff) Nijisanji has proven to be a black company and the OffKai staff should have dropped them much sooner to send a message that their behaviour towards their talents is unconscionable. I hope more conventions drop Nijisanji to send that message and hopefully create an environment within the COMPANY--not the conventions/public spaces--that is safe for the talents past, present, and future.

I just wanted to point something out. The comment foxtrot made about a toxic environment, how the talent might not feel like its safe to attend... That's the same way people feel about how dokibird was treated by Kurosanji and some of the talent. She was in a toxic environment being bullied, to the point where she made an attempt on her life... While I disagree with harassing people and unjustifiably making them feel like they are in danger, (I dont have a problem with murderes feeling in fear for their safety for example) I have to point out that old saying, "you reap what you sow." Kurosanji and some of the talent put Dokibirds health and safety at risk, so I see this as a sort of Karma. I disagree with harassment, but it's nice to see Kurosanji get a taste of its own medicine. Kurosanji: "Why you bully me? :(" Doki fans and anyone with a sense of decency: "Yeah, it's awful being bullied and feeling in fear for your safety, isn't it Kurosanji? Who on earth would be so evil eh Kurosanji?" *glares* Hope the company dies and the decent talent go on to be a part of better Vtuber communities/agencies, and have happy and successful lives where they are treated right. The talent that engaged in or turned a blind eye to the abuse?... Well, shoes on the other foot now. And I ain't gonna come to your aid or defend you. Just like how you didnt for Doki. Long live the birb.

My guess on the delay was working out the contract termination of having them appear. If a contract was signed to have them appear at the convention it then would reason there has to be some form of agreement to end the contract.

Honestly the best way to support niji EN talent right now is to say that you will still support them even if they go indie.

OOT but do vtubers attend OffKai in person or just through screens? Not talking about the roaming ones but the meet n' greets

"Talent safety" isn't really an argument when the talents don't show up to the convention in person. They're just streaming to the convention as their personas and security can usually be quick enough to throw out any bad faith actors.

I hope all those white knights apologise to false, including ducky. He’s not the kind to stir for the sake of it. False got a legit whistleblower raising a true story and shone a light on the situation where offkai were dragging their feet. For all we know offkai could have waited more weeks, closer to the convention and hundreds of people’s travel plans could have been for nothing.

It was Expected that a Lot of People would be Rude and Toxic during any Event but the Timing of the Announcement is so bad that it begs people to draw their own conclusions as to what really happened.. Offkai was Either Baiting People or Just had a Brain Fart on when to Announce it but either way Bad Move Again

at least they got the notification months in advance. i have made trips to conventions for VA that cancelled on the day of

Doki: I constantly try to move on. Niji: no.

I love all the people now like "Think of the livers!" Where was that when Niji people harassed Aloe into a spiral? Where was that when Zaoin was getting obliterated even long after she was gone? Where was that for Selen? The entirety of Niji fans at this point make up a full circus.