Nice to see you guys pushing yourselves out of comfort zone. These jobs make a difference between shops that are willing to learn and improve, and shops that are always doing same stuff. Can't wait on other parts!
Although something different, not something I would even commission to be done. An RS4 has a DSG gearbox for a reason. The older model RS4 is suited for manual gearbox. Not the B8.5 version. Just not the done thing. Aesthetics. Power. Gear changes. Auto gearbox changes quicker than manual. R8 manual B8 is awesome. Done properly. You wouldn’t then turn the V10 auto to a manual, would you? Not a good look. Great RU-vid content as always.
Hi from the US, I would speak to the Humble Mechanic here on YT ; he did a RS3 engine swap to a VW R32 which involved comparing and modifying the wiring harnesses and coding and Immobilizer etc. He has access to ODIS with his friend Paul at DAP parts. If he can get a mixed bag like that to work, I'm sure he could help with your simple swap. He has a YT video documenting that conversion as well.
Humble Mechanic's swap was actually a MK7.5 Golf R, not an R32. There was a shop in Connecticut that specialized in these swaps, but the owner now works for Equilibrium Tuning.
Love the channel. First person that springs to mind is Ricky at RE Performance. He knows a lot about Audi V8 and V10 including deep ECU programming. Good luck!
If it was originaly supplied like that then you can blame the german " everything is extra" way of pricing things. Used to be even a radio was extra. Once tried to order a RHD Audi in Germany as the list price was much cheaper and I could get a better discount , but by the time the salesman had added all the " extras" that were standard on the UK base car the price advantage was +- the exchange rate risk.....
You could talk to humble mechanic or with the guys from Mighty car mods. They did a full engine swap on a polo , making it the only polo Gti in Australia and they had a tehnician who made all sorts of changes on the different modules of the car.
if you contact the owner of ignition tube RU-vid channel in the US, he did the manual swap with that chassis and I'm sure he would be happy to point you in the right direction.
Many thanks for the compliment, but these guys are pushing the boundaries of what’s possible! Mine was fairly straightforward, and I have to defer my competency to my buddy Matt who helped me through the entire process.
Ultimately, if the ecu could work with the manual gear box that is perfect. If that is not happening, maybe just let that ecu think the car is in D mode then you could have full power. But there have to be a switch for the owner to switch between D and P (because the car is not able to be lock in D). I saw people did that with another auto car which doesn’t have manual variant. Thanks for interesting contents so long as a b9 owner.
If you can get your hands on a V8 stick Audi R8 from 2014/2015 era that could be helpful in resolving this in terms of software files. Also you are likely dealing with two ECU's. Maybe APR tuning out of the US could figure this one out? They do ECU tunes on the EA824 FSI motors up and down the range of the variants.
You will most definately need a map with custom code, I have never looked at this particular swap and what's needed to make it run as an OEM car - but my first thought is to patch in related functions from a different MED17 software which has the support for manual gearbox aswell😊 This sparked my interest for sure, I've done many softwares with custom coding for swaps etc before - lmk if you still need help with this👍
Hey you should look into 4.0 tt swaps people are doing into older chassis. I believe they use the same med17 ecu and people know some trick to make them run with a manual. They usually use stock ecu with DS1 but not sure if thats for tuning only or necessary for manual trans.
After watching this segment, all that I can think about is how much better off I am with my B8 S4 6-speed Avant. I suspect that if Frederick wanted more performance from a manual B8 or similar this might have been the more practical jumping off point.
Great video, as always! One comment though from an owner, who has several cars that are special to me - putting seat and steering wheel cover before getting into the car is a minimum I would expect from a reputable shop in order not to make the car dirty. It's a small detail for you, which is greatly appreciated by owners, in addition to the main thing - getting car fixed/serviced.
I clean my own car and it always is spotless. And I expect that I receive it back from the workshop in the same condition, without additional invoice for 350eur 😂@@VAGTechnic
If you took this project on to educate your subscribers, thank you and well done. If you took it on to make money and not know that this would be a nightmare, you must be nuts 😂 Good luck, I think you’re going to need it. Can’t wait for the outcome. Thank you.
I think you can use can hack tools, to made some external module, that can emulate info about selector position to ECU. And some other parameters such torque from DSG, temps, etc.
Going to need the clutch switch signal to start and for cancel cruise if gear change. But you still need the brake switch input for other functions, also need to recode the ESP as a manual as will be looking for gear info which will be missing on the bus but that's not not going to work with the RS4 calibration maybe? might have to tell ESP unit the car is an S4 manual , but then the ABS TCS ESP parameters will be a compromised - quite a few relevant differences between S4 and RS4. Even if it basically works you might get plausibility errors generated.
So the day is giving speed sensor and you need that signal from wheel speed sensor instead The park neutral switch is just an input output signal which could be converted to ignition switch or something like that to let ecu gets signal
A stand alone would be the "easy" way to solve these problems. It's the solution when a car doesn't have the ability to do what you want it to do. I'd be interested what others can do for you with programming the stock ECU. Good luck!
@VAG Technic One of the options is to get ECU from manual S4/S5 and assemble it that way. It would definitely need a tune but those versions did actually have manual as an option, other than that, standalone ECU or tune from scratch :/ .
Still likely not going to work, what you going to do about ESP for instance ? that's tuned for Auto and RS4 engine suspension brakes etc., There are probably several toher ECU's that will get freaked by no gear info on the Bus. Unless this guy only wants to use the car for drag racing etc. this is going nowhere I suspect as I don't see how to do it and still get a german TUV ( MOT) approval for road use.
@@jabberwockytdi8901 Different ESP sensors, different steering column stalk, possibly ABS pump(bc of ESP), newer abs pumps "can" be made so they are standalone-bc of esp(I have heard of only two cars with this). This is "lets see if it works" Project, TUV compatibility is something the owner will have to work through.
I was running through all the signal inputs from an auto into the bus versus next to nothing from a manual while the engine was coming out. My way to work would be to get the two wiring diagrams and make the wiring changes before installation, but I cannot escape the liklihodd of using an ECU from a manual V8 car to ease the process. I eagerly await the outcome (and total cost) of this project.
Hv you guys considered making a suitable ‘dolly’ to fit in place of the front subframe so you can get vehicles off the ramp and out of the workshop while waiting on parts etc
Absolutely excellent and interesting video :) Do you guys sell merch at all - my son has been pestering me to ask you for months as he wants a VAG T-shirt or hoodie :)?
I hope you replaced all those bushings on the used gear lever assembly. The amount he's paying you'd hosting think he'd want a new one or one that's like new condition
Alex vw retrofit in redditch and for software/tuning will at performance torque. He is not far from you and is a wizard wuth tuning and software calibration
I meant to say Phill will be your best bet in UK. There are someone in Poland but most likely he will need the car to work on aswell. They haven’t got a map to base on 🤦♂️
so just a thought I had and not sure if it would work but what if you code all the important modules like the ECM and gauge cluster and whatever else is necessary to make it happy to think it is an S5 with a manual then have ECM tuned for that engine. so I know you changed the coding so it is manual but so many of the modules are connected maybe the whole car needs to think it's an S5 with a higher performance engine. just a thought, don't know if it would help, just putting it out there. and I hope it all works out.
37:50 problem is in communication between engine and gearbox computer, maybe you should put computers from audi with 6 speed manual gearbox and install tune from v8 engine computer, or it should look like you swapped engine in audi with manual gearbox
Possible issues I can think of are Speed sensor for the Speedo? Does it come off the Canbus? I know on C5 RS6 manual swaps everyone ends up with TPMS & Antilock faults. They need something beyond a regular performance tune with someone knowledgable enough to do the special tune. Maybe MRC? I think the mechanical part will be fairly straight forward since their were S4/S5 manuals. Some wiring changes due to the two switches on the clutch assembly so things like the Cruise control will work properly and disengage when the clutch is pressed, etc....
@@VAGTechnic You'll have to get into the wiring schematics. I don't have the A4 schematic to look at but it's probably close or the same as the A5. For the A5 on Pg 1/29 it shows the two pedal switches. One goes straight to the ECU and the other ties into a wire that goes from the ECU (different pin from the other switch) to the J393, Convenience system central control unit. In the A5/S5/RS5 it is the big unit with multiple plugs in the right rear cubby hole in the boot. Doing the wiring is the most time consuming. I know there is a couple of cars in the States that have been done.
Pretty sure that car is MED17. You are likely going to need a CAN emulator for the DSG signals. If you have the CAN messages I could build you an emulator. Not sure my S6 DSG has the same signals as the RS4.
Doesn't look like the owner did all of his homework before letting you guys do the swap, while the hardware might fit the software certainly doesn't. Hope you guys figure this out though.
I need help!!! My old junk 3.0 tdi is broken asb, I can not push pedal to the metal, its like motor is disapering after 3500 rpm what can it be, excepr hpfp and pressure regulator 😢, no fault codes during this cut of thrust
Can you not use a canbus repeater to fake the codes that ecu is expecting. I got very close to fixing a Renault scenic with electronic dual clutch auto. Mine had a dead gearbox ECU. With an inexpensive canbus repeater was able to tell engine ecu that gearbox ecu is present to start the car.
Does this s5 gearbox have the crown diff like the rs4? will you not loose the torque split of the rs4/rs5? JHM and Jackal motorsport are the guys to speak to regarding these 4.2s I am sure they can help with software
I'm curious what code ECU is being used here, bc here in the US the RS5 (same engine as RS4 in this video) ECU will not take the manual coding so this is thought to be impossible. But it sounds like the RS4 ECU took the manual coding no problem?
