Convert to horizontal drop outs!

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This project was mostly experimental...I wanted to convert my regular vertical dropouts to horizontal dropouts (also known as track ends). I cut some steel to fill in the old dropouts and welded them shut. I then ground down the steel back to smooth and laid out my lines to cut the new track ends. The most challenging part was keeping everything straight and parallel but it all turned out better than I had hoped!
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@Bugeyed19 6 лет назад

I wish you were my next door neighbor.

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

One of my neighbours is shit, you should buy their place.

@theocarurucan7594 2 года назад

HAHAHAHAHA

@mom_im_losing_it Год назад

What part of Canada are you in I need this done to my bike.

@lsdc1 2 года назад

This is very inspiring and informative to watch. I wish I had your skills (& tools!). Thanks for sharing.

@aam77 6 лет назад

That's going to be one sick bike.

@vibeandride2984 6 лет назад

This is amazing I've never seen this done before on RU-vid

@daos3300 5 лет назад

JK BMX that is hilarious

@naujaral2131 6 лет назад

Very well done, congrats 👍

@soethan.1349 4 месяца назад

Great work, thank you so much.

@ratskirobo4836 5 лет назад

Good workmanship!

@boozhoundlabs 2 года назад

great work. love this.

@rodrigoramirez-arvizu1821 5 лет назад

Thats right. Good work man

@RIXXTA86 5 лет назад

Awesome Video Bro! Cheers!

@Gampeh 6 лет назад

Cool man! I must say u have some good hands with the angle grinder!

@thegt3clickcrash329 5 лет назад

I must say however your fabrication skills are pretty good man. I would love to build a complete Frankenstein bike. Just using everything from other old bikes to make one.

@anthonyespinoza5340 6 лет назад

Well done man

@camaroblackmatte 6 лет назад

amazing stuff, inspiring :)

@dvn2085 6 лет назад

So much job... That's art :)

@turbitoescort7460 6 лет назад

Very smart idea

@BruceChastain 5 лет назад

really nice work.

@angelomedi 6 лет назад

sound here is amazing

@RiderBlitz1.0 2 года назад

Its really amazing, i wanted to do this with mine

@Stop_Elitists_Wars 3 года назад

Brilliant !!

@Ampersand1988 6 лет назад

now, convert it back.

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

I'm on it, come back in a month.

@blakboyytunes 6 лет назад

😂

@carolaromanos433 6 лет назад

Nintendo Sucks ggg

@mobydimk8231 6 лет назад

))))

@khairjafar915 6 лет назад

Click undo

@loicdomagala8779 9 месяцев назад

Great job.

@PatonHaus 9 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@adamb7426 5 лет назад

I like it!!

@stephenimsong3462 6 лет назад

That’s was so awesome, I was at some point thinking how you were going to hold it on a mill and make the track drop out slot! Haha

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

A thin cut-off disc is pretty great at cutting straight lines, give it a shot! Cheers for the comment!

@mrkipple2080 Год назад

Professional 💯

@GreMP 5 лет назад

Excelente idea amigo me ayudó mucho tu vídeo !!

@ducksnr 8 месяцев назад

Watching this in 2023 about to do the conversion on a super cool aluminium frame with vert drop outs. Wish me luck

@unprofesional9704 4 месяца назад

How'd things turn up?

@adamh7947 4 года назад

Nice job!

@PatonHaus 4 года назад

Thanks Adam!

@JesusCruz-bq1jy 6 лет назад

*!!WOOOOOWW!!* QUE INGENIOSO 😌👏👏👏

@Rayvo1985 2 года назад

Awesome!

@x91iNFINITi 6 лет назад

Woah thanks for this vid

@gideonvincentgoudin7762 3 года назад

This is awesome

@PatonHaus 3 года назад

Thank you Gigi!

@fredbissnette3104 4 года назад

Sick af

@yoyolasticotniska 6 лет назад

amazing !

@Desi365 6 лет назад

a quoi ça peut bien servir ? c'est possible- bravo pour le boulot- mais c'est in-recommandable

@scc3828 5 лет назад

"GOOD JOB" - You are a Maker! Next a little paint, some tug nuts, a flip flop hub/wheel you have a home brewed fixie saved from the landfill!

@FelippePinheiroDiplomata 6 лет назад

Nice video.

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Thanks Felippe!

@victorchechi1399 6 лет назад

Satisfação muito bom trabalho mesmo hein

@user-nt8og7qm2r 15 дней назад

Is there any problem with stiffness due to the change in dropout?

@stevejeffries1603 3 года назад

Amazing

@PatonHaus 3 года назад

Thank you Steve!

@lazlybateman8819 6 лет назад

Nice work. The top tube is horizontal ?

@gabriel5841 6 лет назад

Awesome job! Going to try on my Monark 10.

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Thanks Gabriel!

@davidtaylor5205 6 лет назад

Good effort. I can't help but think it would've been easier to replace the dropouts in the frame with track ones. Especially as it's only a quick heat job with a torch. You clearly have the skills.

@daos3300 5 лет назад

David Taylor 'quick heat job' is way off the mark. have you ever tried unbrazing a proper brazed joint - cleanly?

@plastikbertrand 2 года назад

That’s good that like 👍

@sandro2122 8 месяцев назад

Awsum

@jonienglish3231 6 лет назад

I Added Disc Brakes to my 2 Aluminum Cantilever Mtb Frames , got a local welder to Tig weld some plates , with nice Beads

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Nice!

@simondr70 5 лет назад

Make sure you change your crank arms to 165 mm because the bottom bracket is lower with road geometry so there's less chances of pedal strike ..

@joynthis 6 лет назад

This video needs a warning not to try it on carbon frames. Now the garage is on fire. Help.

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Bahaha yeah you need special carbon fibre welding rod ;)

@simondr70 5 лет назад

Duh..

@danmcgivern4057 4 года назад

Would it be possible with an aluminium frame??

@Tatana515 3 года назад

😆😆😆

@wildlaw711 5 лет назад

Sweet.

@viniciusdeliz9093 6 лет назад

sir ure a master

@tonycobb1895 2 года назад

Much easier than welding on an entire track dropout onto the seat and chain stays.

@alexkastano96 5 лет назад

.....to fork ends,they wore horizontal in a beginning with....but that's cool.... just for fun of doing that,the frame was shitty anyways 25$ tops in NYC, now you can sale it to a hipster for a 100)))

@MrDirizhor 6 лет назад

@PatonHaus, how do they work eventually? I'am afraid that those dropouts could be soft and bent with time. So do they work good or they bend?

@bfx2515 2 года назад

I suggest you don't do this cuz it's ruining the bike. Besides, those roadbike dropouts are completely safe

@cancelik 2 года назад

@@bfx2515 It's safe enough if it s done proper way. You can't use chain tensioner at road bike dropouts.

@TboneTenEighties 5 лет назад

Cool and good job but on a multi speed bike? Are converting to single speed? And yes i have no idea what i am talking about lol

@lexanddrewblog 6 лет назад

And now - how made vertical drop from horizontal?

@hugobrown2516 5 лет назад

First time I have seen this. Im sure the reason to have the original drop outs is so that the back cannot fly off backwards. Makes sense.

@PatonHaus 5 лет назад

Pretty much every single speed bicycle ever produced has horizontal drop outs. It's main benefit is to allow adjustment of the wheel to tighten the chain, since there's no derailleur to do so.

@angelomedi 6 лет назад

Love

@benvincent7935 6 лет назад

Nice! I've got an old bianchi frame that's mint but has drop mounts and unfortunately doesn't fit my current setup, would love to get it on the road! Do you do jobs or was this just a side thing?

@simondr70 5 лет назад

Shorten your crank arms to 165mm ounce done, BB is lower on a road bike

@jorgefilho1926 3 года назад

Me ajudou muito, fiz na minha ficou shooww

@travelandmusic1892 6 лет назад

great

@michael_d2 3 года назад

I have a note/question . If I'm going to keep using an existing v-brakes. I should be very carefully to put hole more or less on the same place?

@PatonHaus 3 года назад

Generally yes, but even the v-brake assembly itself is adjustable to move the pads up/down, so there’s a lot of wiggle room. Just make sure the new drop out slot crosses the same location as the old one.

@roqsdeleon279 6 лет назад

Amazing, what kind of weld rod did you use?

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Standard fluxcore, i think .030 wire.

@AvaPxiaO 4 года назад

I love this video. I don't know how you managed to really center the slots, I would have cut them like 7-8mm wide, have some kind of jig where I can brace the seat tube tight and level it vertical, while bringing the BB shaft and drops at about level. Then fine file the top part of the slot left and right so they are level with each other, then file the bottoms to match the 10.1mm slot on the bottoms, use a 9mm front wheel to check center while filing. It came out OK so I assume you did measure things out not shown on the video.

@PatonHaus 4 года назад

I did measure and scribe the slots, and I'm fairly confident using an angle grinder for accurate work. Both slots came out well and were nearly perfectly aligned front to back and in height. The next time I do something like this I'll buy some laser cut drop outs and braze them on.

@michael_d2 3 года назад

extremly cool! is it possible to with a stick welding?

@PatonHaus 3 года назад

For sure it is!

@Ad-wv8zt 2 года назад

Very 👍

@MrWouzke 6 лет назад

Nicely done! Just a question, why? Just becouse it looks better or does it have other advantages?

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

I have the tools, welder and spare time. That's really about it.

@MrWouzke 6 лет назад

No more reasons needed ^^

@simondr70 5 лет назад

Its easier to deal with chain tension its a single speed beater

@gimpo312 2 года назад

Wow this video makes it look too easy

@PatonHaus 2 года назад

The magic of editing 🌟✨

@user-pd6wn6su1r 5 лет назад

Все смотрели и никто не понял. С каких пор сварка стала крепче монолита?

@joseccastrojr 6 лет назад

Que os deuses da mecânica te perdoem por usar o paquímetro digital como riscador!

@Biggreydog 5 лет назад

Converts to horizontal and puts a 6 speed wheel in .? Would be ok using track bike with alfine hub.

@simondr70 5 лет назад

Yes the spacing is in your favor

@benlow46 3 года назад

i believe you have this mixed up, you started with a frame that has horizontal dropouts, and converted them to track forks. Hope this helps

@PatonHaus 3 года назад

I agree, but the nomenclature has changed over the years to a point that track ends are still called drop outs. Potato potato.

@walkertongdee 6 лет назад

Should have left the end closed whoops there goes a wheel. There are keepers with adjusting drag bolt why not? something else to do...

@rafaelbalbi4405 5 лет назад

Essa solda não destenpera o quadro?facilitando quebrar

@finbarflatman6138 6 лет назад

how strong are the drop outs once youd done it

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Probably stronger than the original metal.

@kdktwelve6142 5 лет назад

I apologize for my ignorance. What is the benefit of and reason for this modification? Thanks for the video and nice work.

@tylerrussell8144 5 лет назад

KDK twelve it is perfectly ok! The reasoning is for chain tension on a fixed gear bike as they do not have a regular "deraileur" to tension chain. Moving the wheel horizontally creates tension. I have a single speed cannondale with a rear tensioner because I don't have these horizontal dropouts.

@kdktwelve6142 5 лет назад

@@tylerrussell8144 Thank you. I think I understand now.

@simondr70 4 года назад

How long did it take you to do this ? 2 hours ?

@PatonHaus 4 года назад

Much longer because I had to film it but I bet you could do it in 2-3 hours if you had the necessary tools.

@sheep1ewe 5 лет назад

I just asking because i am curious, but what is the advantage of this compared to the previous?

@bugfish100 3 года назад

it now has the look of an classical track bike dropout. Also you can adjust special screws at the open side of the droput which pull the wheel back when you spin the screws. But both dropouts can be used to tighten up the chain by pulling the wheel.

@sheep1ewe 3 года назад

@@bugfish100 Ah, thank You for the explanation, i am still stuck with grandpas old bicycle (i still love it for some reason), so i suppose a lot of water has run under the bridges since the early 40s (when it was made) so to speak... ha ha.

@dariosacchet7764 4 месяца назад

this was very interesting but why would you want horizontal dropouts on your bike? is it just for aesthetic purposes?

@PatonHaus 3 месяца назад

Mostly to allow tensioning of the chain when using a single speed drivetrain. But yes I think it also looks nicer as feature on a frame 👍

@dariosacchet7764 3 месяца назад

@@PatonHaus can’t you change the tension on a horizontal dropout? thanks for the answer!

@PatonHaus 3 месяца назад

@@dariosacchet7764 In this case this frame was scrap and was the one I had on hand to demonstrate for the video. This same approach would apply on any steel frame though.

@miguelr6989 5 лет назад

Ok good he is not ruining a vintage Schwinn frame

@edgarharo9386 5 лет назад

What width and type of steel did you use

@PatonHaus 5 лет назад

Hmm i don’t recall but I cut the width down to get the pieces to fit, so you could use any width of steel you like.

@niyaz3644 3 года назад

What material was this frame steel or alloy

@PatonHaus 3 года назад

It may have been an alloy of sorts but likely just plain steel.

@williamcarroll5402 2 года назад

Me next me next and what's the charge 😁

@Create_o_raptor 6 лет назад

Can you do that to aluminum frames?

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

With a tig welder, sure.

@xenonzx4743 6 лет назад

oh i will do that

@Chhaay Год назад

Can this work on alu frames?

@PatonHaus Год назад

If you can weld aluminum 👍

@coletrick8748 4 года назад

Those original dropouts would’ve still worked to pull the wheel back to adjust tension.. Why not just leave them alone?

@MP-zf7kg 3 года назад

forward-facing dropout suck to hell and whoever invented them is a fricking idiot. I HATE those things. Wheel is constantly coming loose...did one time as I started across a 6-lane road. You might get the idea I don't like forward-facing dropouts.

@kelpshake650 3 года назад

Can you do the reverse?

@PatonHaus 3 года назад

Not a question of can I, more a question of should I? The answer is no 😄

@jrqc6166 6 лет назад

¿Cuál es el objetivo de esa modificación ? De esa manera lo que se consigue es sólo quitarle ese valor clásico de lo original , así como también la inoperancia de los cambios y la relativa insolidéz de las partes transformadas (orejas)

@GreMP 5 лет назад

La modificación es para poner un piñón fijo para el estilo Fixie no es lo mismo que una bicicleta de cambios el valor del cuadro clásico es irrelevante es este caso

@petertyrrell6690 2 года назад

Cool idea but it didn't look like you had 100% weld penetration, so when you ground the weld flat, a lot of strength was ground away.

@PatonHaus 2 года назад

Which part of the video?

@mikieson 6 лет назад

good lord people..just say "GOOD JOB" and move on. Does this really need more explanation and debate as to whats better or "right"?..lol...Good job PatonHaus ..

@loucosporbike9334 6 лет назад

Consertesa melhora o ângulo da roda traseira deixando a bike mais curta melhorando a bike nas curvas

@simondr70 5 лет назад

ou seja, se você mudar o braço da manivela para 165 mm, o suporte inferior será menor em uma bicicleta de estrada

@nikoconcarne 6 лет назад

a grinder and paint makes me the welder I aint

@Metal-Possum 6 лет назад

Those aren't vertical dropouts, they're horizontal dropouts. They're more or less horizontal already, with room for adjustment. The reason they're called dropouts is because they let you (wait for it) drop the wheel out. Horizontal FORK ENDS, as you are fitting, are not dropouts, because you can't drop the wheel out of them, instead of you have to fiddle around a whole lot more to get the wheel in and out.

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Those are all excellent points. I enjoy the occasional wheel fiddling, so that's okay. Come back anytime!

@brad5983 5 лет назад

Oh shut up

@geraldschenk 4 года назад

I parsed the comments for exactly the same point. The OP changed from _horizontal_ dropouts to _track ends_. That's no criticism of the work or reasons. Only a request to clarify confusing naming.

@cyruslever586 6 лет назад

Why? Wpukdnt it be easier amd safer to just cut it off completely amd reweld at the point thats welded

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Sure, let me know when you make your own video showing that.

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

Oh snap shots fired.

@daos3300 5 лет назад

Cyrus Lever the originals aren't welded, they're brazed, which is a lot more difficult and requires a higher degree of knowledge & skill.

@simondr70 5 лет назад

Aww come on to be so hard, the job aint that bad ..For freakin beater it's allright .

@MrRabi001 4 года назад

What's the benefits of horizontal dropout

@coletrick8748 4 года назад

Rabi Manandhar .. Chain adjustment on a perfect horizontal plain

@juliancorona234 3 года назад

Mainly you can easily put a chain tensioner.

@CallMDel 6 лет назад

still need to make it a 120mm rear fork before it becomes a track frame though

@antman5474 6 лет назад

I think it might have been 120 to start with, it's an old brazed frame.

@FreeUpTheWeed 6 лет назад

Steel frames bend easily and safely enough. Sheldon Brown has instructions on it IIRC.

@simondr70 5 лет назад

Removing the cassette putting on spacers and rebuilding the rear wheel will do ..

@pedromppinto 3 года назад

This looks like an old road bike frame so probably a 120mm anyway!

@thegt3clickcrash329 5 лет назад

Everything was going good then comes out the mig welder

@FarmerFpv 4 года назад

It's a flux core welder you dumbass, Mig uses argon, goes to show you don't know shit about welding you're an armchair expert. Welding a thick dropout with flux core or Mig is not a big deal, it's not like he's welding chainstays or a bottom bracket you douche.

@jason80892 5 лет назад

Why convert to horizontal drop out's. More chance of the wheel being miss aligned if you hit somthing or the nut comes loose.

@simondr70 5 лет назад

nope

@cristian6766 6 лет назад

Wow! Amazing job! But isnt't it a bit weak? It seams a bit flimsy to me. Don't yell, i'm just asking. Now get two nice looking chain tensioners and pull the axle back and make a nice single speed.

@PatonHaus 6 лет назад

The metal is the same gauge as the old dropouts, so strength shouldn't be too big an issue. I'm not sure what grade the steel is, but it's not going off-roading, so I think it'll do just fine.

@cristian6766 6 лет назад

PatonHaus Use it with pleasure!

@simondr70 5 лет назад

Chain tensioners are junk