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Corsair and Hellcat Vs. Bf 109 and Fw 190 

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Could the F4U Corsair and or the F6F Hellcat have fought and won again the Luftwaffe's Bf 109 and Fw 190? We will compare speeds, climb rates, dive speed, maneuverability and more.
If they could have competed, why didn't the USAAF use them? While we are looking at this we will take a look at Equivalent Airspeed or EAS, and learn some surprising facts about the Brewster Buffalo, facts I'm quite sure have never been on youtube before.
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A lot of people have commented that the Hellcat's design had nothing to do with encounters with the Zero, or study of the Akutan Zero. I disagree. Here are my supporting facts:
1. The Akutan Zero was recovered and shipped to Seattle where it arrived on August 1st 1942.
2. Data about the plane was transmitted to Grumman and others as soon as possible. From the book The Grumman Story " After careful study, Roy Grumman decided that he could match or surpass the Zero in most respects, except in range, without sacrificing pilot armor, self-sealing tanks and fuselage structure. The new F6F Hellcat would compensate for the extra weight with additional power."
3. The Akutan Zero was repaired and first flew in US hands on Sept. 20th 1942, but they had been studying it since they got it.
4. The first production Hellcat first flew on Oct. 2nd 1942.
5. The following statement is on Wikipedia, with multiple sources to back it up "This first Double Wasp-equipped Hellcat airframe, bearing Bauer serial number 02982, first flew on 30 July 1942. The F6F-3 subtype had been designed with specific "Wildcat vs Zero" input from Battle of the Coral Sea and Battle of Midway veteran F4F pilots such as Jim Flatley and Jimmy Thach, respectively, among several others, obtained during a meeting with Grumman Vice President Jake Swirbul at Pearl Harbor on 23 June 1942, with the first production F6F-3 making its first flight just over three months later, on October 3, 1942"
The bottom line is that Grumman had been designing the Hellcat before the Wildcat's met Zero's but made huge changes to it based on reports from the War. The biggest change was the switch from the R-2600 to the R-2800, which was huge, and they were very clear that this was based on "specific Wildcat vs. Zero" input from the war. Furthermore, we know that Grumman had studied the Zero and while I doubt any major changes came from the study of the Akutan Zero specifically, having the ability to study it was a huge advantage. Even if they made no changes to the Hellcat at that point, which is unlikely, it still helped by letting them know they were on the right track.
Roger B. Taney. When I say almost nobody knows who he is, I'm referring to the man, not the actions of the supreme court while he was there. Yes, he delivered a famous pro slavery verdict. This terrible decision was a 7-2 vote essentially in favor of slavery. My point is that the man, not the history of slavery is an obscure foot note, and if anything, changing the name of the ship is causing him to be more well known.
Here is my evidence for this. At the time my video came out there were only about a half dozen youtube videos about Roger B. Taney. Of those, many have been up for years and have only a few dozen views, some have a few hundred. The video that has the most has been up for 8 years and has about 3500 views, that's it. Type in Robert E. Lee and there are countless videos, many with hundreds of thousands of views. So by youtube standards, Taney the man is a historical footnote.
That doesn't' mean that the civil war or slavery are footnotes. There is an obvious difference. Just because someone has heard of the civil war doesn't mean they know the key players, let along the key players before the war. If you ask 1000 people in the US if they have heard of the US Civil war, nearly all will say yes. If you ask 1000 people who Jefferson Davis was, you might get 100 who get that correct. If you ask 1000 people at random who Roger B. Taney was, I would be shocked if you got five who know who he is.
Yet all the sudden we have all these virtue signaling keyboard crusaders typing from their products made by forced labor claiming that they knew all about Taney, and have been on some anti-Taney crusade all along. I'm calling BS. How many have comments on youtube with the name Taney in them prior to this video? Probably none.

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@oconnorcm
@oconnorcm Год назад
Greg: This is the level of detail that I have sought all my life (aged 67).
@jakeschubert4245
@jakeschubert4245 3 года назад
"Greetings, this is greg" Those 4 words make my day.
@goingtoscotland
@goingtoscotland 3 года назад
Every time. Keep the content coming, Greg. I absolutely love the long format videos. Detail is king.
@LupusAries
@LupusAries 3 года назад
Yep, time spent on his videos is more well spent than most RU-vid Aviation Videos, Documentaries and aviation magazines. Funnily enough I was reading about the test about a month ago in the German Flugzeug Classic special Issue on the FW-190. (One of a few, I think it was the issue on the A-6, which includes the early G and F versions.) Reminds me I need to send him some of their stuff on the A-4 and the outside intakes, which were used, just very rarely and sadly were not followed up.
@timyo6288
@timyo6288 3 года назад
Start a gay relationship with a Greg.
@brokeandtired
@brokeandtired 3 года назад
The performance difference can also be largely be explained by the larger propeller props...You can see the effect on PC fans...A 120mm fan is more efficient than a 80mm fan spinning faster at pushing are because the blades are covering a larger volume of air on a 120mm.
@garynew9637
@garynew9637 3 года назад
Exactly.
@gort8203
@gort8203 3 года назад
Great point about the 109 being considered the most produced fighter because all the subtypes were counted as the same type, unlike the Yaks. That had never occurred to me before.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Hi Gort, thanks.
@TitusFFM
@TitusFFM 3 года назад
I'm from Germany and I have several HOBBY MASTER 1/48 scale models of FW190 BF 109 and a CORSAIR standing by each other. And it is kind of spooky listening to your awesome podcast while at the same time watching those planes. I can't tell how much I enjoy your work. Without bias simply pure truth. Thank you for your time and effort to make those podcasts.
@DowJonesDave
@DowJonesDave 3 года назад
I sell diecast models. The hobby master models are excellent! Just wish they'd produce larger runs...
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
In a way 1/48 is the optimal scale. It's small enough to fit on any shelf, but large enough to see details like exhaust stacks and even cockpit gauges.
@RadMax8
@RadMax8 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I’m currently building a 1/48 scale FW 190 A-5 as we speak, and I can confirm about the right size for details.
@TitusFFM
@TitusFFM 3 года назад
@@RadMax8this is one of the model's that I have from hobby master. www.hobbymastercollector.com/HA7424.html It's maybe a lame excuse but I'm to shakey to build it by my own ok I don't have the patience anymore too. 1 to 48 is simply awesome. Hope that your model will be awesome.
@TitusFFM
@TitusFFM 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 1/72 is nice but 1/48 gives a better perspective of the size. As I wrote having those aircraft side by side I realized it much better than watching at a picture how big or actually giant for example the P47 really was. The Me 109 G in comparison to the P47D is simple a wtf moment. And you can really see it if you have them side by side. I remember reading Günther Rall biography when he visited the Luftwaffe Unit Zirkus Rosarius that had captured allied aircraft. He wrote that sitting in the cockpit of the P47 was something special. No german fighter had so much room in the cocktip like the P47. Till I bought the model's I really didn't understand why he was so impressed. Now I get it.
@johnbuchman4854
@johnbuchman4854 Год назад
My Dad was a VMF-121 Corsair pilot on Peleliu and was carrier rated. He had some time flying Hellcats as well. He greatly preferred flying the Corsair over the Hellcat.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
Hi John, that's quite an accomplishment for your dad.
@cardinalRG
@cardinalRG Год назад
John Buchman --My Dad was an infantry Marine on Peleliu (5th Marines), and was mighty glad that the Corsairs were in the fight. The close air support was impressive and deadly, in a physical setting so tight that spent shell casings fell on he and the other friendlies.
@damndirtyrandy7721
@damndirtyrandy7721 11 месяцев назад
@@cardinalRGI believe that was the site of the shortest air-ground missions with Corsairs taking off from a newly captured airstrips that was still taking fire, barely going wheels up when it was time to drop ordnance on Japanese positions loop around, land, and do it again. My guess is, any of those Marine pilots would have loved an AU-1 about then cannons, rockets, 4400lb payload, and the short distance they were flying anyways would have more than made up for the 240mph top speed.
@simonevans8979
@simonevans8979 10 месяцев назад
Make no mistake. Had the Hellcat or Cosair regularly gone up against the Germans, they would have had further development. But they `only` had to overpower the Japanese who were outclassed in every aviation term. Not to say it was easy, but `sufficient` was enough.
@theslowlearner1633
@theslowlearner1633 9 месяцев назад
​@@simonevans8979 that's an irrelevant observation. 1) those adaptations would take development and testing time, as Greg mentioned, 2) by 1944 the Germans were losing the attrition war, they couldn't rollout in significant numbers the great planes they had designed. Think Me 262, 163, Arado 234, even Dornier 335, Heinkel 219. By 1945 US engineers were still lagging behind. Hence the race against the Soviets to snatch German engineers for their space programs. The only area where the US was leading by and large, is nuclear physics and the A-bomb. People say it's because the most notable scientists in the field were Jews, foremost of whom was Heisenberg. Otherwise they would have led in that field as well.
@luilaskowski2011
@luilaskowski2011 3 года назад
The Buffalo at 550mph will forever haunt my dreams
@jadedengineer
@jadedengineer 3 года назад
That answers some questions I’ve always had over Finlands best ace and his success in that plane.
@damienmaynard8892
@damienmaynard8892 3 года назад
@@jadedengineer B-239E was lighter with a more powerful engine than the F2A-1! Kill ratio across all of the Finnish Brewsters ("Flying Beer Bottles") was 32 kills to 1 loss!!!!
@jakkeledin4645
@jakkeledin4645 3 года назад
@@damienmaynard8892 Brewster was too hard to say for those day Finns who does not use letter like B. So there are it's nicknames: Ryysteri, Perse Tynnyri (=arse barrel) 😄
@Ralph-yn3gr
@Ralph-yn3gr 4 месяца назад
It's a much better plane than it's given credit for. It just tended to operate in contexts that were... unfavorable... There's only so much you can do when you have rookie pilots with no early warning, lousy airfields, and no spare parts and are fighting battle hardened veterans who outnumber you 4-1.
@j.w.greenbaum
@j.w.greenbaum 3 года назад
About that one engagement on 1:14:00, I managed to get a look at the FAA after-action report and a translation of the Luftwaffe after-action report on May 8, 1944 over Norway. I agree that we probably can't draw much in the way of conclusions about it, since the after-action reports more or less show us how unfamiliar each side was with how to handle the other's aircraft (for the FAA) and the other's aircraft in general (for the Luftwaffe). Still, it is pretty interesting to see how each side reacted. The dogfight was between Fleet Air Arm Hellcats from No. 800 Sqn, HMS Emperor, and JG5, which was operating a majority of Bf 109Gs and a minority of Fw 190As. JG5's after-action report survives in addition to 800 Sqn's, so we actually do know what happened and there was only one over-claim, which we'll get to later. Using both reports, a flight of Bf 109Gs got the drop on half a dozen Hellcats, destroying one almost immediately. However, the Bf 109G pilots made a fairly serious blunder and tried out-diving the Hellcats. Two of four 109Gs quickly went down, confirmed by both 800 Sqn and JG5. One further 109G reported "light damage", with the aircraft flying in the number two position undamaged. However, that's not where things end. The flight of Bf 109Gs was clearly beaten, which was witnessed by a flight of Fw 190As. They in turn dove on the Hellcats, with altitude being a genuine advantage (as opposed to a pretty bad mistake) since the FAA had pursued the Bf 109Gs downward. JG5's pilots hit and severely damaged at least two Hellcats (with one of these being likely mistaken for a kill and the other, which was almost certainly the second Hellcat lost, being damaged by Flak as well), but, possibly owing to the Fw 190A pilots' unfamiliarity with the type, one of the Hellcats actually climbed to meet the Fw 190As, destroying one and severely damaging another. This surprised the Fw 190A pilots, who--again, flying the entire Luftwaffe's first encounter with the Hellcat--did not expect an aircraft that had been mostly diving at the 109Gs to climb after them. Apparently, both sides gave each other enough of a bloody nose that following the two Fw 190A engagements, the FAA and Luftwaffe broke off. The only discrepancy as far as over-claims when comparing after-action reports is the Luftwaffe claiming a third Hellcat, which, as I stated, is one I believe the Fw 190A pilots believe they got. At least one Hellcat had been engaging a Bf 109G and landed more or less shot to pieces after breaking off that pursuit, and I have a hunch it may have been this aircraft the Fw 190A pilots believe they got. Also, the erasing history bit on the USCGC Taney is a disgrace.
@dusk6159
@dusk6159 2 года назад
That's a good one! Thanks for sharing the history.
@j.w.greenbaum
@j.w.greenbaum 2 года назад
@@dusk6159 Happy to share what I know!
@alexboccaccio5431
@alexboccaccio5431 2 года назад
Great comment! If I may ask, what happened with the USCGC taney?
@j.w.greenbaum
@j.w.greenbaum 2 года назад
@@alexboccaccio5431 Thanks! Unfortunately, to my knowledge, she’s still not officially the Taney. C’mon people. The ship redeemed the name quite well…
@leecutler1527
@leecutler1527 2 года назад
thank you
@thomaspinney4020
@thomaspinney4020 3 года назад
Greg is an even bigger geek on these subjects than I am. He presents detailed and accurate data. I loved it.
@phil21s
@phil21s 3 года назад
Always enjoy your videos! I am not a pilot, but a native german speaker so here is the translation of the two notes at 29:18: Left: "Speed with consideration for the error of the speed indicator due to compressibility" right: "Speed without consideration for error of the speed indicator due to compressibility" So this appears to be left: EAS, right: either IAS or CAS. Unfortunately, it is not apparent to me whether the right one contains any other error corrections and I can't really make out the equations in the parentheses. Maybe they can give you more information. I would also point out that after the war many of the aviation standards used in the german language might have changed due to international standardization. Don't hesitate if you have any questions or other questions regarding translations.
@thedeathwobblechannel6539
@thedeathwobblechannel6539 3 года назад
dude you are awesome to offer translation services for this channel :)
@christianmotley262
@christianmotley262 2 года назад
Appreciate your help and translation.
@jeroquai3170
@jeroquai3170 2 года назад
Ouh 1:41! Every time a see an early FW190 i really have to say: What a nice looking, straight design and style. Still today awesome!
@reliquiae9017
@reliquiae9017 3 года назад
I can't wait for an in-depth discussion on the Bearcat.
@StevePlegge
@StevePlegge 3 года назад
Tigercat! 😁
@astealthyfellow4795
@astealthyfellow4795 3 года назад
That sounds sweet. I like the look of them.
@StevePlegge
@StevePlegge 3 года назад
@@astealthyfellow4795 And the sound!
@sski
@sski 3 года назад
ooooooooooo-YEAH!!! Be great if compared the Bearcat vs. the Hawker Sea Fury. Here's an 'incentive'... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RKj_Pknm3wk.html
@brucenorman8904
@brucenorman8904 3 года назад
The bearcat was designed as a lighter weight substitute for the F6F and F4U. Intended to be deployed on the escort and light carriers.
@skyflier8955
@skyflier8955 3 года назад
Geez, there almost needs to be a separate video detailing the differences in all the variants of all the aircraft involved. This can’t be easy work Greg, you’re doing a good job :)
@lawrencefox563
@lawrencefox563 3 года назад
Lots work went into seeking any advantage by all sizes for hence the mods
@lawrencefox563
@lawrencefox563 3 года назад
That's sides not size
@jefferynelson
@jefferynelson 3 года назад
I would not play WW2 Aircraft Trivial Pursuit for money against Greg.
@skyflier8955
@skyflier8955 3 года назад
@@jefferynelson oh, that sounds like a lot of fun, but for money would be insane
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 3 года назад
Every aircraft made in WW2 has so many variants and sub variants it'll make your head spin, could you imagine the logistics of having to keep track of all the different parts for them? I'll bet the maintenance people drank a lot.
@MrBabylon
@MrBabylon 3 года назад
this video is so exhaustively researched it's more like a lecture on the subject than a simple youtube video, genuinely feel like i'm back at Uni!
@hugbug4408
@hugbug4408 3 года назад
The little things incorporated to tell you alot!
@omartorres5688
@omartorres5688 2 года назад
Not to to mention that fun lecture you actually want to hear and pay attention to every bit of the lecture
@straymusic
@straymusic 3 года назад
It's a great day when i see a new video from Greg's Airlines being released. Such amazing content
@thurbine2411
@thurbine2411 3 года назад
Gregs airlines don always deliver on time but when thy deliver it is always worth the wait
@surfbyrd1
@surfbyrd1 3 года назад
Your relaxed and polished voice make listening to these quite enjoyable. Sometimes I lay here in bed just listening to the information that comes through you verbally and gives me insight into your comforting personality and mind. As a broken down old Vietnam Vet I thank you for the peace you have given me during these last days I have.
@christopherg9806
@christopherg9806 3 года назад
I sure hope Greg reads this amazing comment. Wishing you many blessings, Db. I hope you find comfort and peace knowing that God loves you and is watching over you.
@surfbyrd1
@surfbyrd1 3 года назад
@@christopherg9806 Thank you
@ryansta
@ryansta 3 года назад
Enjoyable to listen to, well researched and thought provoking as ever. Thank you for making and posting.
@ryancarr6420
@ryancarr6420 3 года назад
Thank you for making these
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
You're welcome Ryan.
@sylvesterstewart868
@sylvesterstewart868 3 года назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles My dad and I love your videos, he especially appreciates your passionate defense of the P-47.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
@@sylvesterstewart868 Sounds like I would like your dad.
@flyingfiddler90q
@flyingfiddler90q 3 года назад
@@sylvesterstewart868 Virtually the same comment goes for me.
@rhondohslade
@rhondohslade 3 года назад
I love your entire P-47 series, too. I've watched it several times over. Were I a fighter pilot in WWII I'd have probably wanted to be assigned one. The P-38 is a close second. Speaking of which...have you done a video on the Lightning?
@jockellis
@jockellis 2 года назад
My father was duty officer of VF-81 on the Wasp, which flew F6F-5s on the Wasp so I’ve read a bunch about them. I believe Grumman built the plane as an OJT fighter with plenty of armor to give young pilots a second chance.
@MemorialRifleRange
@MemorialRifleRange 3 года назад
I just love every one of your videos, I go back and look at your charts and relisten to get the details I missed on the 1st few listens. I consider you a treasure.
@twistedneck
@twistedneck 3 года назад
So well done Greg. I look forward to all of your videos, please do not shy away from adding even more details and deep dives, that's what really makes it interesting. Thanks!!
@ronaldconiglio9942
@ronaldconiglio9942 3 года назад
Thank You Greg. After thinking about this topic for many years it's interesting to hear it put forth in the studied way that you have. Your thorough research and well-organized presentation is much appreciated and enjoyed.
@russelllaureto8132
@russelllaureto8132 2 года назад
I know this isn't a new upload, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate that you don't treat your subscribers as though they are idiots. And for people who are just tuning in, you make it clear that it's their responsibility to get up to speed. Your channel is like taking a course in aviation with everything put into context. The only problem is that after absorbing the wealth of knowledge that you impart it's very difficult not to see the deficiencies and shortcomings of other popular content creators. As a mechanic I appreciate the effort you make to educate people. People are lazy unfortunately and don't want to think too hard. But for those who have a love of learning and appreciate real knowledge and attention to detail on aviation and history you have no peers.
@roywhiteo5
@roywhiteo5 2 года назад
theres no replacement for positive manifold pressure
@TheJustinJ
@TheJustinJ 7 месяцев назад
^In addition to copious quantities of ADI.
@carltyson4393
@carltyson4393 3 года назад
Great, great stuff, Greg. Just wonderful information and so well presented. Thanks so much for all the great work. Look forward to your work. You never disappoint! Happy to be a supporter!
@stansbornak8116
@stansbornak8116 3 года назад
Dang! This has got the best channel on YT for this kind of stuff!
@widescreennavel
@widescreennavel 2 года назад
Greg, you are the very best at these deep dives, and I appreciate your compassion. It comes through. Peace!
@darrenwhiteside1619
@darrenwhiteside1619 Год назад
Hi Greg, I re-visted this video after watching your newest video on the Ki-84. You did an awesome job overall with the bulk of the content being accurate and presented in the right context. However, I just want to clarify a couple details, even though this shouldn't change the conclusions you eventually arrived at in the video. First, the data presented in the NACA roll chart for the F6F-3 is actually a modified version with spring-tab ailerons, which gave it a roll performance similar to the F6F-5. The original ailerons had a higher peak rate by up to 10 deg/sec @ 260 mph, but rates fell off rapidly after this point, eventually being some 30 deg/sec slower at 400 mph than rates achieved with spring-tab ailerons. This information can be found in NACA report L5C23 which is downloadable from the NASA website. Secondly, the Corsair didn't have provisions for two external wing tanks until the advent of the F4U-1D sub-variant, this being sometime during the spring of 1944 (however, the first 300 could only carry one wing drop tank as the other pylon was used exclusively for bombs). The early F4U-1A only had provisions for a single centerline drop tank. The Hellcat was different, as there is a well-known photograph of Cdr James Flatley of CVAG-5 flying an F6F-3 with both wing and centerline tanks during the Hellcat's combat debut on August 31, 1943. So it was capable of carrying three external drop tanks months before the Corsair. I mention all of this because It seems like you were concerned with only discussing the performance of the various aircraft within the context of 1943. Again, I know this doesn't change anything concerning the outcome of your analysis but I felt they were details still worth bringing to your attention. I look forward to enjoying more of your excellent content!
@JohnPatterson-kz8jr
@JohnPatterson-kz8jr 10 месяцев назад
Getting back to my previous reply about Hellcats fighting the Luftwaffe. I had to eat supper.I'm baaacckkk!! While the CorsIar only saw service with the Navy and Marines in the pacific as well as the Royal New Zealand Air Force in WWII,the Fleet Air Arm used both the Corsair and Hellcat in both theaters in WW2. They replaced the Blackburn Skua and Roc in Frontline Carrier Service after 1943. They still used the Sea Hurricane as well as the Superarine Seafire until the end of the war. In fact,the FAA still used the Seafire until the end of the Korean War. If you can find a copy of Aviation History from 2021,there's a cover story about it.
@beniscool4u
@beniscool4u 3 года назад
You are a true blessing to us audience. Thank you for your efforts and time you take to make these talks for us!
@Coverly
@Coverly 5 месяцев назад
I was a navigator at sea, hold a degree in shipping and had a shoreside sailing career buying & operating ships. You are the FIRST non-maritime type in my lifetime that correctly stated the difference between a boat and a ship. This is a gripe among many in the "invisible" industry, one that puts 90% of everything you see in your room, IN that room! Thank you Sir! Golden rule = A ship can carry a boat, but a boat can't carry a ship. ⚓
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 3 года назад
Thanks in advance Greg.. you put together the most interesting videos.
@michaelmoore9557
@michaelmoore9557 3 года назад
Outstanding presentation! I have wondered about this for years and the answer is made very clear. Thank you!
@acefox1
@acefox1 3 года назад
Great video Greg! This was a fun topic that was far ranging and covered a lot of ground. Nicely done!
@wpherigo1
@wpherigo1 3 года назад
Excellent and thorough as always. As for your last point, spot on.
@AtomicBabel
@AtomicBabel 3 года назад
GREAT TOPIC! THANK YOU GREG! This brought back memories of a "what if" book w an FW-190 and F4U on the cover.
@ovk-ih1zp
@ovk-ih1zp 3 года назад
When history is Erased, no one will know to NOT repeat those mistakes. History is a effective Guide on what NOT To Do, & should be taught, remembered & respected Worts & all for the lessons that it can teach.
@peterruiz6117
@peterruiz6117 3 года назад
I agree absolutely. US history is taking a beating, to say the least.
@imjusttoodissgusted5620
@imjusttoodissgusted5620 3 года назад
Unfortunately People want to try the same failure again believing that there is something "special" about themselves and they can't fail. So they have to erase or "adjust" history to suit their need to fool people into going along with it yet again.
@swoop6947
@swoop6947 3 года назад
And President Trump started the 1776 commission to CORRECTLY teach U.S. history, That was one of the first items President Biden cancelled his first day.......
@AidanRitchie
@AidanRitchie 3 года назад
What does this have to do with the video?
@rhondohslade
@rhondohslade 3 года назад
Swoop... would you have expected anything less from our recently erected Socialists? I heard on the news today that one of the first EOs he signed is to allow gender dysfunctional students to compete in any interscholastic sport they choose to conform with the gender they PREFER to be, not their biological/genetic gender. And I know all the cultural anthropologists are screaming that gender is all in one's mind...
@JC-gw3yo
@JC-gw3yo 3 года назад
Thank you for all your hard work... A labor of love.. It is amazing how close all the mentioned aircrafts actually are
@passinthru4328
@passinthru4328 3 года назад
What a tremendous amount of information to absorb to be able to get a more realistic picture of these airplanes' comparative strengths. Great job!
@DavidRLentz
@DavidRLentz 2 года назад
I greatly appreciate the enormous depth of detail and knowledge of your report. The Corsair is a personal favourite. I had hoped that the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm Corsairs would have engaged in combat the Luftwaffe's counterparts. But, history is truth made prose. A suggestion for a future presentation: How would the Lockheed P-38 "Lightning" USAAF Fighter and the Grumman F7F "Tigercat" U.S. Navy Carrier-based Fighter have compared in both performance and combat?
@timtom2106
@timtom2106 3 года назад
Fantastic documentary. The ease of maintenance is a big factor on aircraft carriers. That is so true. But still - the F4U is such a beast. The range, the speed, the load-out. And thanks for mentioning the armor protection layout of the Navy fighters. I have never heard of that before. That and the lovely chosen pictures. I really enjoy watching your videos.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Thanks. I try to use pictures that are rarely seen.
@mikedelta1441
@mikedelta1441 3 года назад
I never would have thought a Brewster Buffalo could hold balls that big in such a small cockpit!
@George-bz1fi
@George-bz1fi 3 года назад
We always love the cost analysis you do, that is an often overlooked factor when comparing planes.
@myparceltape1169
@myparceltape1169 2 года назад
Yes, that surprised me too. I had never imagined such ordinary, sensible, things were important in war. Now we imagine how serious it is to have the same name as a former slaver. At least John Newton has escaped so far. These are very educational videos illuminating topics we rarely think of properly. Certainly not in a place where we needed to get up and at them, for all of 90 minutes.
@robmarsh6668
@robmarsh6668 Год назад
I love the p-47 way more than the p-51, but ya can't argue the 51 was much cheaper and much better on gas.
@merlball8520
@merlball8520 Год назад
@@robmarsh6668 Same
@catsooey
@catsooey 9 месяцев назад
@@robmarsh6668 When I read this comment, all I could think about was some old-school suburban dad in a wood paneled station wagon ranting about the values of practicality. Lol “You kids might not realize it now, but when you grow up you’ll see it’s a much more sensible choice! The retail savings are first class, and don’t even get me started on the gas mileage!” Except we’re talking about Warbirds instead of Edsels. 😂
@robmarsh6668
@robmarsh6668 9 месяцев назад
@@catsooey these darn kids today!
@sski
@sski 3 года назад
This was a great video. Thank you, Greg. I appreciate the work you put into making these videos. The information you've compiled and shared is First Class. I appreciate the deep dive into stats with charts. It amplifies understanding. I also appreciate your endcap to the video. I would appreciate our collective history of the Nation being preserved, thank you. Personally, I'll only ask once.
@rhondohslade
@rhondohslade 3 года назад
Greg, thank you for another highly informative video. I always learn something new when watching your channel.
@joseph-sj7do
@joseph-sj7do 7 месяцев назад
UK Royal Navy deployed both Hellcat and Corsair on RN Fleet and Escort Carriers, there were attacks on Tirpitz when it was skulking in a Norwegian Fyord and they encountered Ms 109s and FW190s who defended Tirpitz
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 7 месяцев назад
The RN Corsairs never fought 109s or 190s. Hellcats did, but I think on only one occasion.
@lahockeyboy
@lahockeyboy 3 года назад
Another fantastic video, Greg! I had so much fun watching this!
@localbod
@localbod 3 года назад
Another excellent and informative video. Thankyou for all your efforts. It's very appreciated by me and I'm sure many more.
@jnmason6283
@jnmason6283 3 года назад
This feels like Top Gun theoretical class if it were done in the 40s... I love it!
@paulfrantizek102
@paulfrantizek102 3 года назад
Outstanding video. Nice to see someone go beyond the flat numbers and understand just what made the Hellcat such an excellent choice for its time.
@briantincher9284
@briantincher9284 2 года назад
Incredible amount of research..Thank you so much. I hope you know how much we enjoy these videos.
@roba.heinlein2434
@roba.heinlein2434 3 года назад
Another excellent video, Greg, thanks a lot! Greetings from Germany.
@tomw9875
@tomw9875 3 года назад
fantastic video, thank you Greg.
@John83D
@John83D 3 года назад
Thank you very much for your work. It's so much work behind each video.
@seanmcardle
@seanmcardle 3 года назад
Fantastic efforts, much appreciated
@nehrigen
@nehrigen 3 года назад
I never knew I wanted to watch this.
@garyseeseverything8615
@garyseeseverything8615 3 года назад
Thank you Greg for the cool video!
@bethelscrubs2549
@bethelscrubs2549 3 года назад
Keep the videos coming. They are well worth the wait, so do not feel rushed to produce. Quality over quantity.
@ninjalanternshark1508
@ninjalanternshark1508 3 года назад
Amazing how full of information your historical aircraft videos are. Shared your channel to a lot of War Thunder players who have interest in historical aircraft.
@DNModels
@DNModels 3 года назад
One of the most valuable channels on YT. Million subs soon!
@68RatVette
@68RatVette 3 года назад
WOW! Another GREAT vid GREG! :)
@HollandRTR
@HollandRTR 3 года назад
Superb analysis. This has been a comparison I have wanted to see for a long time. Your delivery of pertinent information and facts is much appreciated. I will definitely follow your videos and look forward to your new and older content. Thank you for the work you put in to make a great history “what if” comparison.
@dougberk919
@dougberk919 3 года назад
My father has been in magazines for many model builds(mostly german), but this brings me back to my young days watching Black Sheep Squadron with my dad. I loved that wing. We were stationed at Charleston back then when he was a LT in navy.
@kitten-inside
@kitten-inside 3 года назад
I have to say, I facepalmed at the "race version was faster" argument. Oh, Internet, never change.
@TheMattc999
@TheMattc999 3 года назад
Wait....so you mean to say if I have (which I do) a 1200 horsepower 93 mustang notchback drag (race) car, it's not fair to compare it to the bone stock 93 mustang notchback I drive on the street? Huh, who would have ever thought that.....🤔
@jamesricker3997
@jamesricker3997 3 года назад
He also have to take a look at the fact that if the hellcat and Corsair were in Europe they would have been modified for land use no folding wings or arrester the hook That would have saved a lot of weight and improved performance
@aaronsanborn4291
@aaronsanborn4291 3 года назад
@@jamesricker3997 the Corsair was even faster than the Mustang and it shared the same engine with the Hellcat & Thunderbolt...also the Corsair & Hellcat being built for carrier landings it made them tougher....
@decnet100
@decnet100 3 года назад
@@jamesricker3997 I think they wouldn't have gone to that length to be honest, or do you have examples in mind where that happened? Arrestor hook removal, I could see maybe; take out the folding wing mechanism and replace by something simpler that still can take up the entire wing load in combat - I don't think so.
@jameskratzer4538
@jameskratzer4538 3 года назад
Did anyone besides me notice that the "Red 57" bird shown during the race trim portion was NOT an F6F Hellcat, but an F8F Bearcat?
@TomM-jh8lx
@TomM-jh8lx 3 года назад
On an almost unrelated tangent, the first place I came across “Equivalent Air Speed” is the SR-71. I forget why now, but the aircraft is operated by the pilot on “Knots Equivalent Air Speed”. There is a great interview of Maury Rosenberg who speaks about SR operations in length and their use of KEAS.
@z3r0_35
@z3r0_35 3 года назад
I think it’s because it flew so high and so fast that conventional methods of measuring speed that existed at the time didn’t necessarily work properly. Keep in mind that the OFFICIAL speed record for the SR-71 isn’t its actual top speed - it could go even faster than that, but exaxtly how fast remains highly classified (I wouldn’t be surprised if it was close to Mach 4).
@TomM-jh8lx
@TomM-jh8lx 3 года назад
@@z3r0_35 Yes that's the likely reason for using KEAS. The rumours of the SR/A-12 family being able to go faster than ~M3.2 I think are largely that. Sure they may have been able to make sprints to 3.3, 3.4 maybe even 3.5 depending upon atmospheric conditions (namely temperatures much lower than ISA),. However, the limiting factor was always the temperatures the J58 could handle internally (like any gas turbine engine). The operational limit that the pilot's flew to was a maximum compressor inlet temperature of 427 deg C. During NASA testing, the engine thrust was increased by 5% at the expense of a 20% shorter turbine life (the life-limiting component in the J58).
@al_capad
@al_capad 3 года назад
Excellent material, Greg. Thank you, sir
@johnnyfortpants1415
@johnnyfortpants1415 3 года назад
Thanks Greg! I’ve been fascinated by this question since I was a kid! Finally I get an answer!
@Naggstek
@Naggstek 3 года назад
I play my airplane games with altitude in metric so the numbers on the German charts seem intuitive to me but the American charts I always have to think for a bit as to what something like 5000 feet is roughly in meters. Always appreciate when Greg translates the numbers to metric as well.
@dunxy
@dunxy 3 года назад
Thanks so much Greg! Love all your extremely well researched and presented videos, you have a growing fanbase, i know some very old people who also love your channel but would not know how to comment (often watching on stupid smart tv's that don't even offer that) to thank you so i pass on thanks as well! So much love for ww2 aircraft.
@gentabroad
@gentabroad 3 года назад
Great work, please keep these vids coming, I find them strangely compelling viewing.
@Joda5212
@Joda5212 3 года назад
Great YT ! Its extremly informative. I learned a lot ! Thank for your work to spread detailed information !
@gooraway1
@gooraway1 3 года назад
Love your passion Greg.
@thevoxofreason8468
@thevoxofreason8468 3 года назад
As always, well done.
@scottiekawich5732
@scottiekawich5732 3 года назад
Thank you for responding to my questions.
@mikewysko2268
@mikewysko2268 3 года назад
Facinating data and presentation. Well done Sir! ✈☺
@stephendecatur189
@stephendecatur189 3 года назад
Thanks again Greg. As a lifelong history buff a Greg video is a perfect escape (for me) from this silly world we now inhabit.
@flutter8712
@flutter8712 3 года назад
Thanks for enlightening the true capabilities of these aircrafts
@Swedeflyern
@Swedeflyern 3 года назад
This was fantastic! Well done!
@bradmiller9507
@bradmiller9507 Год назад
Thanks for stepping up!
@69vrana
@69vrana 3 года назад
Greg, you're the man, love your vids. My wish for 2021 regarding your channel is to make more great videos and step up your game in regards to audio quality.
@jwaller1327
@jwaller1327 3 года назад
I agree with you about the Coast Guard cutter. That's a shame. Hard to believe it's come to this.
@CarlyG18
@CarlyG18 3 года назад
Great job of giving us your Video. I love those old radials and how they did the job.
@Stromzilla
@Stromzilla 2 года назад
Well done and look forward to more of your work. Thank you for sharing!!
@RichardGoth
@RichardGoth 3 года назад
Liking before I even watch because of the sheer genius of the comparison :-)
@vicnighthorse
@vicnighthorse 3 года назад
It is not a new idea, the earliest similar though much less comprehensive numbers wise comparison I found was in Eric Brown's 1988 Duels in the Sky. Brown had a one tremendous advantage over Greg in comparing and evaluating these aircraft - he flew them all as an RN test pilot and combat pilot in the war. I like Greg's comparison better but I realize that comparing them is not a new stroke of genius idea.
@wrathofatlantis2316
@wrathofatlantis2316 3 года назад
@@vicnighthorse Brown did not like the Corsair, and keep in mind the two US navy evaluations of the FW-190A are the most ridiculous in all history, and were even contested by the British RAE during wartime, as the US evaluations were so poor they failed even to detect correctly the FW-190A superior rate of roll, the easiest of all features to observe... I won't even go how they concluded the FW-190A was a specialized point defence interceptor, despite its low climb rate... The most abyssmal evaluation of an aircraft in history I tell you, beyond even the Russian evaluations of the P-47 as "not a fighter", pegging it as having an absurd 27 seconds turn time... Luftwaffe KG 200 was far more serious: "the p-47 out-turns our Bf-109g" Yes the razorback certainly did, if you read combat reports, and was slightly out-turned by the FW-190A... That being said, both the Corsair and F6F would have been dangerous opponents to german types, as the war turned increasingly away from hit and run and more towards horizontal turn fighting by 1945.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 3 года назад
Nash license built R-2800s both during WWII and production was restarted during Korea. Later when the portion of the plant used for aero engine production was converted to automotive production the Tool Room* that supported that part of the plant was located in the former test cells where engines** were run up with a full size prop on them. The cells had circular areas where the props ran. Above the bosses desk there was a full color cutaway drawing of the R-2800 with the complete induction system. I've always wondered what happened to it. *A Tool Room is a machine shop as in Tool and Die Makers. It is not a place where tools are handed out. **Nash Kelvinator was the largest producer of props in the US during WWII
@thaddeuslorusso4490
@thaddeuslorusso4490 3 года назад
Great job on the in depth research and presentation of the subject matter. Keep up the great work.
@michaelvs.scorpio7676
@michaelvs.scorpio7676 3 года назад
Thanks for the video. I really like ALL 4 of these airplanes!! They are all so GOOD-LOOKIN'!!
@lwrii1912
@lwrii1912 3 года назад
Nice historical caveat at the end of the video. I understand where you are coming from and can't say I disagree. As usual, a very informative and entertaining video.
@Rokkator
@Rokkator 3 года назад
Wooo, USCG Taney! I live near Baltimore and I've visited the Taney multiple times. I love her simple lines and her cool story. Sad that our history is being removed by sensitive people, she'll always be the Taney to me.
@billbrasky6827
@billbrasky6827 3 года назад
Who is erasing our history and how?
@markhaigney816
@markhaigney816 3 года назад
Justice Taney was the author of the Dred Scott decision that is perhaps the most despicable opinion to come from the SCOTUS. This name is infamous in Maryland, where I live, and rightly so. It made the civil war significantly more likely, and provided an appalling justification for denying African Americans treatment as human beings. I love your careful scholarship, but you should consider that the Germans do not retain monuments to the authors of the crimes in their terrible past, nor should we.
@73Trident
@73Trident 3 года назад
@@markhaigney816 GFYS.
@michaelmonfils2642
@michaelmonfils2642 3 года назад
Excellent work, Greg! Best-of-the-Web! Any info and opinions on the colorful and enigmatic Brewster Buffalo are always welcome . . . especially with regards to the different export models and their modifications, performance and combat records.
@duncani3095
@duncani3095 3 года назад
Love your content Greg, informative, and deilvered the way it should. Without rock music or hiperbole, just facts and the informed opinion of a professional. Stay safe and keep 'em comming.
@ashermil
@ashermil 3 года назад
Frankly I’m not surprised the Brewster Buffalo can drop like a stone.
@clasdauskas
@clasdauskas 3 месяца назад
Yeah, I was wondering if that 'dive speed' was really 'falling speed'?
@WildBillCox13
@WildBillCox13 3 года назад
Great content, Greg.
@christiancruz4533
@christiancruz4533 Год назад
Great vid as always Sir. Good day!!
@Michelangelo78
@Michelangelo78 3 года назад
Thank you, great video once again!
@davidkoloc1313
@davidkoloc1313 Год назад
Absolutely stellar video. Thank you so much. My pop flew both planes (WW2 and Korea). Aboard USS Cabot (CVL28) during WW2, he spent many hours filleting (tear dropping) the heads of the universal rivers on his Hellcat towards the end of reducing drag/increasing airspeed. Anything for an advantage and I’d guess to also kill boredom between CAPs and sorties. He did this using shoe wax, naphtha and a butter knife from the Officers Mess. As well, he bribed aircraft handlers to tip and shake his Hellcat when his centerline auxiliary tank was being fueled. This allowed every cubic inch of space to be filled with fuel. His fear of the Japanese paled in comparison to his fear of sharks.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
Wow, that's really interesting. I wonder if other Hellcat pilots did the same. I suspect they did.
@davidkoloc1313
@davidkoloc1313 Год назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I’m pretty sure he learned the fueling trick from more experienced fliers or the fuelers. He told me that as the Hellcat’s advantages over most enemy aircraft became evident and as that number of enemy aircraft began to wane and the Hellcat’s role evolved away from that of ranging fleet defense to that of ‘dump truck’ (his words, not mine), fewer and fewer external fuel tanks were simply ejected as a matter of course once emptied. He once shared with me how unremarkable the difference between flying the F6F with or without the tank, or an array of external ordnance, actually was. This characteristic is a notable difference between the Hellcat and the Corsair, which he maintained lacked good control surface authority across most iterations of it and throughout it’s service life and anything and everything it carried altered its trim. When I was a lad in the 60’s, among my my dad’s other duties at NAS Twin Cities was the role of Special Services Officer. He saw fit to acquire and keep maintained one (late model) F4U for recreational flying. A nicety for old timers like himself and something fun for the A4 community to blow off steam doing after Sunday mass while the kids swam. Even then, the plane retained it’s reputation as one requiring maximum attention to operate safely. Especially on the ramp (wing walkers) and through transitional flight phases near the deck. As for the rivet thing, I got the impression that profiling those was something he came up with himself. I know this... on the rare occasion someone else ended up flying 7, (his assigned plane) it irritated him greatly but as a JG he had no practical or technical say over who flew what plane. The matter of aviators having a plane which was their ‘own’ so to speak was not steadfast or always a decided matter aboard CVLs as there simply wasn’t the space for a slew of replacement AC or the abundance personnel to maintain the level of readiness squadrons benefitted aboard the larger carriers. Once Cabot’s Air Groups transitioned to being comprised solely of Hellcats, naturally the likely readiness of any one particular fighter increased. This is to be expected when every spare part aboard is for the same type of aircraft and a reason why virtually no carriers had more than one issue of fighter at a time. As you correctly pointed out in your (again, very well done) video, despite sharing the same power plant (P&W R2800), the differing quick change modules for the Hellcat and the Corsair rendered them completely incompatible with one another. Another reason he wanted to fly his ‘Zebra 7’ is that he had the convergence range of that plane’s Browning’s recalibrated to his liking. Then of course there was the photo of my mom taped above the clock on his instrument panel.
@dogeness
@dogeness 3 года назад
This was a great watch. A bit long so I watched it in parts throughout the day, but it was well worth it. Thanks! 😁
@anneallison6402
@anneallison6402 3 года назад
Can I ask you things about the tests you and Adam did in WT?
@dogeness
@dogeness 3 года назад
@@anneallison6402 sure
@douglasstrother6584
@douglasstrother6584 3 года назад
This was very interesting and thought-provoking!
@muznick
@muznick 3 года назад
Thanks for including the Hellcat coverage.
@xipingpooh5783
@xipingpooh5783 3 года назад
I enjoyed this retrospective of the aircraft. I also completely agree with your opinion of the USS Tanney
@byronbailey9229
@byronbailey9229 3 года назад
My 1973 RAAF Squadron technical officer - former pilot flew Mustangs in Korea. He said when they did practice air combat tactics against the RNZAF Corsairs they would lose because they could not sustain the energy manoeuvring capability of the more powerful Corsair. No chance against the RAN Sea Furies later on..
@khaccanhle1930
@khaccanhle1930 3 года назад
Yeah, Mustang has to be history's most over-rated plane. It had great range, and speed. The wrong plane to choose for CAS in Korea. They should have used the P47.
@chrisemens4022
@chrisemens4022 3 года назад
Greg’s channel is so much better than the Discovery Channel ever was.
@Underwaystudios
@Underwaystudios 3 года назад
Taney crew here. That's her in my thumbnail from the stern in the North Atlantic, taken with my Kodak. WHEC stands for Coast Guard ship (W) - High Endurance Cutter HEC. Coast guard aircraft use H for aircraft as in the HH3-F helicopter or the HU-25A Falcon Fan Jet. H being the aircraft and U for utility. We could get on scene quick at t/s .85 mach, depressurize and open the drop hatch making a bombing run with pumps, flares and marker beacon as well as using loud speaker system located in the hell hole door! Don't know how audible it was below two Garret ATF's! I spent 2 years onboard Taney in the early 80's and weathered Hurricane Jeanne Nov. 1980. Greg, Taney served in Korea and Vietnam and then Weather stations maintaining Doppler Radar cover before all the satellites took over. She kept working and never stopped. She is responsible for saving many lives that surely would have been lost at sea or land. While I was onboard we pulled dozens of people from the water or sinking vessel. The Taney is the embodiment of the USCG and it is shameful that they have struck HER Name from the stern and record. I glad it bothered you because it burns my ass everyday and always will. What a disgraceful act against this National Historic Landmark and her service to this country.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 3 года назад
Thanks for your awesome comment. The name change obviously bothers me as well. A few commenters here support the name change, but they are in the minority by a huge margin.
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