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I want to talk about some of the Pacific Theater P-47 missions. Missions in this theater were flown with a combat radius as far as 450 miles using very early Razorback Thunderbolts with the Brisbane drop tank. With Later Razorbacks as far as 500 miles WITH A BOMB, and bubbletop Thunderbolts ranged beyond 800 miles.
The pilots of the Fifth Air Force Thunderbolts met the challenges of the Japanese and the dangers of the theater itself head on and prevailed.
Although it's not the main point, this video will provide the receipts for some of the things I said in my recent debate with Mr. Marshall. For example, the metal Republic drop tank, the fact that Pacific Theater Thunderbolts did routinely operate at high altitude, and of course the ranges of the missions involved.
I am currently reading one of Mr. Marshall's P-51 books, it's awesome.
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@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 17 дней назад
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@jonathanpersson1205
@jonathanpersson1205 16 дней назад
Hey Greg you have now debunked the P47 range myth very thoroughly well done, no one else Ive heard has the knowledge and ability to get things across in such a clear way as you have. The question Ive got is If you switched to the drop tank at 1500' wouldn't the fuel flow through the lines be too great for vapour locks to form from fuel boiling off into vapour. So if you switched to the drop tank at low altitude and stayed on that tank till it was empty could it be a problem? Of course that wouldn't apply if you had a drop tank on each wing and drew from them alternately.
@jollyjakelovell4787
@jollyjakelovell4787 17 дней назад
Two videos on Juggernauts in the Pacific in a 24 hour window. Awesome.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 17 дней назад
Yup, it was one video, but it grew out of control and I had to split it up.
@750suzuki7
@750suzuki7 16 дней назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles We love it when you 'get out of control', Greg. Superb videos.
@jonathanrobinson7573
@jonathanrobinson7573 16 дней назад
Just curious- how inaccurate were maps back then? Could there have a bit more distance inaccuracies in New Guinea vs Western Europe?
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 16 дней назад
​@@jonathanrobinson7573 There could have been but I'm sure all the distances he references in these videos are from modern sources and not WW2 maps. You can check them by Googling "Straight line distance from _______ to _______", I've done it to look up the distances from certain targets to certain airbases in England when looking up the distance escorts would have had to fly on their return trip, it doesn't do any good for the distance from their base to the target because the bombers flew all kinds of crazy routes on the way there trying to fool the Germans into thinking they were going somewhere else, and the escorts flew relays that were supposed to meet up with the bombers at certain locations but after dropping their tanks when encountering fighter's near the target and after engaging them they'd have flown a fairly direct route back to their base in England. So I'm sure you could do the same in the Pacific by Googling what the distance is between two points, in the event one of those airbases doesn't have a modern name that registers on Google if you dig around you might be able to find it's latitude and longitude given for it during the war, that's usually on paperwork that can be found online.
@wormfood83
@wormfood83 15 дней назад
@@jonathanrobinson7573 Good question.
@iflycentral
@iflycentral 16 дней назад
This video, coupled with the last one, makes it crystal clear. The drop tanks were an option and could absolutely have been used in Europe at the time.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
Thanks Central.
@jonskowitz
@jonskowitz 11 дней назад
I've worked for bosses operating from a flawed pet-paradigm before. It's difficult; if not impossible to get them to change their minds.
@raywhitehead730
@raywhitehead730 10 дней назад
Correct, some one was pulling for the P51. My best guess an arms manufacturer.
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 2 дня назад
The 'Bomber Mafia' was led by Gen Curtis LeMay in Europe and his idea was that bombers didn't need escort because they'd fly in a 'box' formation and their guns could defend against fighter attack. When the bombers were getting cut to pieces by the Luftwaffe....he complained that they weren't defending themselves properly and only when losses started to become unsustainable did things change. He was transferred to the fight against Japan and at the same time the Mustangs were ready and took over the escort duty to save face rather than admit that the un-escorted bombers were a bad idea and they could have been using Thunderbolts all along.
@unclemike8467
@unclemike8467 16 дней назад
these last 2 videos on the P-47 have really been two of your best, and I've watched them all. Not just because of the thorough debunking of the "helpless without Mustangs" myth in ETO, but in the very clear, methodical way you've collected, derived, and presented the facts in support of your arguments. Unfortunately, the debate wasn't a serious conversation, despite your best efforts. These latest videos, however, are ground-breaking revisions to our understanding of the air war in WW2....history being re-written -- truthfully this time -- as we watch. Thank you.
@manchu9inf
@manchu9inf 15 дней назад
well said!
@AndrewBlucher
@AndrewBlucher 16 дней назад
One of your best videos. The extra details of the PBYs and Kenney, the different mission profiles, the stimulants, and the fog war, all combine to tell a great story.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
Thanks, I'm pretty happy with the way this came out.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 14 дней назад
My dad was in the British army in 1946 and had PTSD from being bombed during WW2 in Manchester. When I was a kid he was still taking the Ephedrine/Pseudo Ephedrine that he was prescribed by the Army doctor for his PTSD.
@MadMax-bq6pg
@MadMax-bq6pg 16 дней назад
Awesome work! AND acknowledging Australian contributions, something 3 generations have waited for. Seriously. And maximum bonus points for correctly pronouncing Brisbane.
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 15 дней назад
I watch a few military channels and have seen mentions of how Australia did a lot of with what they had, automotively, with aircraft, and rifles, SMGs, etc. There are unfair comments about the Bob Semple tank but they ignore that it wasn't a tank, it was meant to be a mobile machine gun nest, at best an AFV. The internet is getting the word out.
@mcduffcarrier
@mcduffcarrier 2 дня назад
​@donjones4719 The Semple Tank was New Zealand, not Australia.
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 2 дня назад
@@mcduffcarrier Damn, I forgot that again. Even compared to Australia, NZ had a very limited industrial base. Ergo the Bob Semple.
@FilipusWisnumurti
@FilipusWisnumurti 16 дней назад
It's really nice seeing someone really advocating the P-47 and clearing the misconceptions about it. The P-47 is my favourite allied fighter of the war and quite sad to see it overshadowed by P-51 and Spitfires. Like many other people, I have heard too much about how the P-47 is lacking range to escort bombers, but I always wondered 'then how did the 47s fly their missions in the pacific if they are really that short ranged' and your videos really explains it. I first found your channel since the first P-47 series dropped and been following since.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 16 дней назад
confirmation bias
@jacktattis
@jacktattis 16 дней назад
Why be sad the Spits were in the war from 1939 and the P51 was chosen because of the bad T/M of the P47 everything else was a minor point.
@steffen19k
@steffen19k 15 дней назад
Welcome to the club.
@20chocsaday
@20chocsaday 14 дней назад
I like the way that P-47 was designed and built. The Spitfire and the Hurricane were made to get at any incoming bombers attacking an island. And there was a very manoeuvrable small fighter as a potential menace. They fulfilled their purpose. Hawker did not find it worthwhile to develop the Hurricane and went on to build fighters powered by much larger engines. The Spitfire grew and grew with a bigger engine but always trying to look good.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 14 дней назад
@@20chocsaday Hawker did develop the Hurricane. Hawker Hart became the Demon. Hawker Demon became the Fury. Fury became the Hurricane. Hurricane became the Tornado. Tornado became the Typhoon. Typhoon became the Tempest. Tempest became the Fury. Fury became the Sea Fury. P-47 was designed and built as a double hull submarine. Built massively overweight, as the P-47N proved when they shed tons of weight from the design. But that made them less durable too.
@sidefx996
@sidefx996 16 дней назад
Once again, it’s very sad how many good men died because of ego and stupidity. These videos are just fantastic.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 16 дней назад
who's ego, and what stupidity? You can't abandon a theory without first testing it. they tested it, and within about 3 months they abandoned it and went to escorted missions.
@timpost2981
@timpost2981 16 дней назад
@@SoloRenegadewrong
@jamess7576
@jamess7576 16 дней назад
In addition to your valid statement, do not forget that due to the ego and stupidity of mustached man, Tojo, Stalin how many millions died?
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 16 дней назад
@@timpost2981 then try to prove it wrong. state facts.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 16 дней назад
​@@SoloRenegade You're absolutely right, any new concept has to be tested and tested beyond one try at it, the 8th Air Force's R&D time on the unescorted bomber concept was more than 3 months but as anyone who has ever tried to develop a new concept knows in order for it to be fully vetted you have to make sure all your other variables aren't giving you false readings, and with the unescorted bombers the early failure of it had to be put through making sure other variables weren't the problem, they had to ask themselves "Are the formations tight enough?", "Are the gunners properly trained and effective", this was something that was being done for the first time in history so no, the first mission will not yield enough information to warrant abandoning a new concept, it's easy for someone to sit here in 2024 and say "They should have had enough brains to abandon it after the first mission" but they have the benefit of looking back, people like that fail to realize that the first mission's were actually successful giving the concept of unescorted bombing an early indication of success. People are too quick to judge the Bomber Mafia general's in that regard, what they did wrong I compare to Richard Nixon and Watergate, anyone who knows what really happened with Watergate knows that Nixon didn't do anything wrong when it comes to the break in at the Democratic headquarters because he knew nothing about that, it was being involved in the cover up is what he did that was wrong, same with the Bomber Mafia, it the covering things up that was wrong, however I will say this in their defense, during a war that America is in your're always going to have members of Congress and Senator's looking to make a name for themselves by roasting military leaders unfairly, as if they'd have done a better job themselves, General's are very powerful men in the military but if there's one thing that will make them shake in their shoes it's a Congressional Inquiry, which as anyone knows who's ever followed one they have a tendency to be witch hunts that can treat people unfairly, I can see why they cooked up the "No fighter's in theater could have escorted the bombers during that period" narrative, and since they'd learned that unescorted bombers wasn't going to work what would the point have been of relieving them of their commands and appointing new commander's in late 1943? They were the only people in the world with experience in commanding a high altitude daylight precision bombing campaign at that time, so dragging them out of there and essentially starting over again surely would have been even worse, they'd learned about the concept of unescorted mission's so time to move on and there's no need bringing a bunch of gas bag politicians into things, they'd only have made them worse.
@markworden9169
@markworden9169 16 дней назад
That was a home run in my opinion.
@lyonsy143
@lyonsy143 16 дней назад
This makes what the ground troops went through in new Guinea even more impressive, and didn't realise how big it is compared to europe
@warrenklein7817
@warrenklein7817 13 дней назад
In New Guinea the Japanese had 350k troops, some sources say more than 600k, others nearly 1m. In any event all agree over 200k deaths primarily from disease and starvation, remainder kia. The Allies had 7k Australians and 5k US kia. The Japanese were neutralised by naval blockade and stranded until War's end. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea_campaign
@lyonsy143
@lyonsy143 11 дней назад
@@warrenklein7817 yeah being Australian the kokoda track battles and the push onto the airfields was just hell on earth, but the thing that has never really been conveyed is they where fighting over distances simerlar to going from London to Berlin
@964cuplove
@964cuplove 16 дней назад
You really do love that plane Greg, I hope someone lets you fly one some day !!
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 14 дней назад
Maybe Elon is a fan.
@lookythat2
@lookythat2 16 дней назад
Kenney was a brilliant commander. In addition to the achievements mentioned here, he also promulgated the idea of using medium bombers as strafers and skip-bombers against shipping, which annihilated Japanese shipping in the battle of the Bismark Sea. He also used parachute retarded fragmentation bombs, ie para-frags, which no else in the USAAF knew what to do with or wanted, against airfields, Which decimated the IJAAF at Wewak, on a raid they never recovered from.
@kimmoj2570
@kimmoj2570 15 дней назад
Kenney allowed Pappy Gunn to experiment how many 50 BMGs you can install on nose of A-20 or B-25. Those strafers did huge damage to Japanese logistics. They could sink real merchant ships by just heavy MG fire, turning them to edam cheese. Just imagine chucking all along New England northern coast in small convoy of Daihatsu landing crafts, going to deliver rice and ammo to some remote outpost, when half squadron of B-25s beam on you, all of them spewing 10.000 .50 cal rounds per minute. Instant rectal matter evacuation.😅 Aussies were proud of their Beaufighters which fought side by side with USAAF (4 Hispano cannons and 6 303 Brownings), but Gunns "shed built in Australia" strafers werent bit behind. I suggest Greg to make video about that largely forgotten aspect of air war.
@steffen19k
@steffen19k 13 дней назад
@@kimmoj2570 I'll 2nd that motion. GREG WE NEED MOAR PACIFIC THEATER WAR VIDS TO SHOW HOW INEPT 8th AF WAS!!!
@Beowulf_DW
@Beowulf_DW 16 дней назад
The Bomber Mafia should stand as a case study of the dangers in allowing doctrine to become dogma.
@Jccarlton1400
@Jccarlton1400 16 дней назад
Back when I was about five years old I had book from the 1940's called I believe, "How we fight and bomb." I don't know where the book came from, but I had until I was a teenager and read it until it fell apart and was tossed. This was not a kids book. It was a fairly detailed look at the thinking of the AAF just before the war, with details such as the proper approach to a target to ensure that you do as much damage possible with your bombs. (Perpendicular to any roads, railroads and telephone lines.) The book showed things like how the B17E gun positions could protect the plane and mission profiles for fighter intercepts. Pretty heady stuff. In any case, some things were clear when I think about them. The bomber mafia never really considered before the war the environment that they would be dealing with. They expected that the bombers would have the advantage of surprise and when they were developing doctrine, things like RADAR and the Dowding system didn't exist. So they never conceived of an integrated air defense that started when the bombers were forming over England. So they never saw the need for an escort figther. The book makes clear that even the most modern fighters of the time, the P38 and P39 were to be used for pursuit and interception, something that they almost certainly believed would be more difficult than it turned out to be. The idea that fighters could be put in the air and directed to the bombers for coordinated attacks was simply not something that they thought about very hard, until they were forced to deal with it. Thus you had the Eighth Airforce and 1943.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
That's just it. It's not that the Bomber Mafia's ideas were totally without merit at some point. It's that they failed to admit when they were wrong, regardless of the reasoning and then blamed the P-47, which I obviously have an issue with. Especially as politicians and bureaucrats us this same tactic today.
@u2mister17
@u2mister17 16 дней назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Amen
@mrcat5508
@mrcat5508 15 дней назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobilesdo you know why they were so stubborn?
@ChrisSmith-mi2zo
@ChrisSmith-mi2zo 15 дней назад
​@@mrcat5508You don't get to be a flag officer without a healthy - or possibly unhealthy - degree of stubbornness.
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 15 дней назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Have you ever seen Drachinfel's video "The Mark 14 Torpedo - Failure is Like Onions"? One particular navy admiral was even worse than any bomber general. It's excellently done.
@Anacronian
@Anacronian 15 дней назад
Catalina is like that movie extra that shows up in every movie.
@johnwilliams5316
@johnwilliams5316 15 дней назад
I love how Greg just keeps shoving salt in the wound 😂
@flutter8712
@flutter8712 15 дней назад
This part of ww2 is often forgotten, thank you Greg for covering this
@SharkVsTree
@SharkVsTree 16 дней назад
I'm really enjoying this series on the P-47 in the Pacific, Greg. Thanks again!
@PMcKay00
@PMcKay00 16 дней назад
Some of your best work here. "Pacific 360º: Australia's battle for survival in World War II" by Roland Perry is an excellent book and shows the New Guinea campaign from non-American eyes. MacArthur does not come out well, but Kenney does. MacArthur seems to be more interested in optics than reality, and influenced history to make his efforts seem more important than they were.
@warrenklein7817
@warrenklein7817 13 дней назад
In New Guinea the Japanese had 350k troops, some sources say more than 600k, others nearly 1m. In any event all agree over 200k deaths primarily from disease and starvation, remainder kia. The Allies had 7k Australians and 5k US kia. The Japanese were neutralised by naval blockade and stranded until War's end. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea_campaign
@0giwan
@0giwan 2 дня назад
I always appreciate the Jug getting some love. She always seems to get overshadowed by the Mustang.
@thomaspinney4020
@thomaspinney4020 15 дней назад
Greg, your fundamental assessments on drop tanks in various theaters of war is entirely consistent with my own readings. The 5th AF in the Pacific were always more open and resourceful than the hidebound and dogmatic 8th AF in Europe. (BTW, this remains true to this day.) The bomber mafia were true believers in the pre-war dogma that the 'bombers will always get through' and that bombing could be decisive. It took bloody reality to teach them they were wrong. To their credit, they did eventually make many of the changes needed.
@fazole
@fazole 16 дней назад
I read a very interesting account of a P-40 pilot who bailed out over New Guineau, in a book called "War Pilot". He experienced malaria, capture by head hunters and being carried through jungles tied up like a tiger on a pole while in a malaria fever hallucinatory state. Finally, being bought for a bag of rice by friendly natives who took him to Australian planters. He was never shot down, just lost in severe thunderstorms which disoriented him and caused him to run out of fuel.
@sebclot9478
@sebclot9478 16 дней назад
Imagine living to tell that story.
@jimmahon3417
@jimmahon3417 16 дней назад
Quality work, Greg - thank you! As to your closing remarks about the 5th AF, BOY, you said a mouthful! My father flew B-24s for the 13th AF, 5th Bomb Group under Kenny's theater command (i think it was just prior to Wurtsmith getting command of 13th AF; Kenny by then commanded all of FEAF, so 5th and 13th Air Forces at that point.), and he always sang Kenny's praises, even though he was out of the "stepchild" AF. Dad got wiped out in a blown tire overweight takeoff on Morotai in late 1944 IIRC. He didn't discuss it much because most of the crew didn't survive when they cartwheeled into a flak bunker off the runway and the fuel cooked off - he bore the burn scars for the rest of his life. I imagine you'll get around to Pappy Gunn and the B-25 strafers eventually - there's a tale. Chuckled at that story in Kenny's book ("The CG - oh, we threw that out to lighten the ship...")
@keithstudly6071
@keithstudly6071 16 дней назад
Charles Lindbergh worked for a time as a test pilot for Ford which was building R-2800 engines and flew test flights in the P-47. One he almost lost his life in as his oxygen system failed at high altitude and he had only managed to trim the plane for a slow decent before he passed out. He revived at about 5000 ft. and got the plane back under control. He then worked to design a visual indicator of the flow of oxygen in the crew oxygen system to help others avoid this hazard. When he went to the Pacific it was to help operations of Marine fighter squadrons flying F-4U Corsair and then he was asked to spend time with the Air Force Squadrons in P-38. He did that for a while before he was told to report to MacArthur whom he expected to end his unauthorized activities but from whom he got approval and support in the theater. Washington (FDR) had Lindbergh on a 'black list' and refused to sanction his activities, had prevented him from being employed by aircraft makers and only Ford was willing to buck the Pentagon and hire him. The South West Pacific was a long way from Washington and he had found friends there.
@deSloleye
@deSloleye 16 дней назад
He was suspected of being a Nazi and with some merit to that. It's not really a surprise he wasn't looked on favourably. I think it turned out not to be true but he was enough of a eugenicist to be suspect
@warheadsnation
@warheadsnation 15 дней назад
Boy, if there's anything in the world that's not surprising, it's Charles Lindbergh working for Henry Ford.
@tonyzender5752
@tonyzender5752 15 дней назад
@@warheadsnationAbsolutely! And if 10% of people here are unaware, Lindbergh was perceived as a Nazi sympathizer, and Ford’s ideology was bent that direction as well.
@keithstudly6071
@keithstudly6071 15 дней назад
@@warheadsnation As surprising as Lindy finding a friend in 'Dugout Doug'? He did honestly expect his next flight would be back to the states when he learned MacArthur knew what he had been up to.
@jonathanpersson1205
@jonathanpersson1205 15 дней назад
Thats interesting Henry Ford and Charles Lindberg were both captivated by Nazism when that Ideology first came out. I hope they regretted that when they saw the depth of evil that came from putting it into practice in a comprehensive way. Perhaps what they did to help win the war was some sort of practical redemption for their earlier errors.
@ethanmckinney203
@ethanmckinney203 10 дней назад
My dad did a lot of hiking, mountain climbing, and arctic trips. He was able to get prescription morphine for the expeditions with no problem. If you break your leg, it's the difference between being able to walk out and dying.
@DuncanHolland
@DuncanHolland 6 дней назад
I'm so glad you're continuing your brilliant appraisal of the Thunderbolt. As to the range and escort debate, for me the case was made at the 'conclusion' of the first series. The very fact that droptanks had to be sourced from us Brits in the eto and from the Aussies in the pto says it all for me. Considering that the first Schweinfurt raid was conducted soon after the Pointblank directive, the powers that be were obviously still convinced that 'the bomber will always get through'; although there was also a political question as to whether Hap Arnold thought that RAF Fighter Command should bear the load of the daylight escorts, following extensive modifications to the UK's defence interceptors. A real show of allied force would have been perfect, but for the US's reluctance to reciprocate in the dark. No droptanks for the 8th, but serious modifications to RAF Fighter Command are fine, apparently.
@oldgary57
@oldgary57 3 дня назад
Once again. My father, who was a lifetime bomber man. He flew B-17 's in WWII and was shot down shortly after the Stuttgart/ Regensburg raid. When he retired in 1968, he was in charge of MMS at Andersen Air Base. When asked about this, he would say; " after they crossed the Channel the Germans would jump the fighters and dive away making sure belly tanks would be dropped ". Have you ever hear that the fighter pilots had complained they were not allowed to follow them down? Thank you Doolittle.
@davidpf043
@davidpf043 16 дней назад
Australian Michael John Claringbould has written (and continues to write) several books on the air war in the south and southwest Pacific. His books include data from Japanese sources, mostly official records, that document Japanese losses and are an invaluable reference source. Also, note that the Fifth Air Force (and Naval and Marine units) flew against Japanese Naval Air Forces as frequently as Japanese Army Air Force Units. Indeed, Army units did not arrive in theater until May 1943. Fifth Air Force did abandon daylight raids on Rabaul for a period during 1943 due to excessive losses. I share your admiration for Kenney as an operational commander, however, he was also a publicity hound who frequently overstated Fifth Air Force accomplishments even when he had accurate data. Granted he felt that was necessary to get additional assets in an under resourced theater.
@fredkitmakerb9479
@fredkitmakerb9479 15 дней назад
Mr. claringbould's research is incredible. His access to Japanese records and Japanese sources who understand aviation and military subjects puts his research far ahead of what we have had since the war. The fact that so many Japanese records are turning up after 80 years of being told that few Japanese records survived the war makes me question much of what I have read the past 50 years.
@davidpf043
@davidpf043 15 дней назад
@@fredkitmakerb9479 Richard L Dunn's new book South Pacific Air War is very similar. Dunn exploited a large collection of Japanese records accumulated over years. Japan did do an official history of the war so records are out there.
@georgeburns7251
@georgeburns7251 10 дней назад
Thank you. Just ordered two of his books.
@davidpf043
@davidpf043 10 дней назад
@@georgeburns7251 Nice to support the people doing the new research. Good on you!
@AlanToon-fy4hg
@AlanToon-fy4hg 16 дней назад
The fact that the PTO was far, far away from Washington....or Dayton...aided in the production and use of drop tanks. It also helped the ETO...but not as much. It has been my experience that things can get done VERY quickly in the military, if the military wants it. But the hidebound pre-war mentality prevailed too much of the time. By the way, it was to the better that Jimmy Doolittle was not selected to command the 5th AAF. It left him available to do great work elsewhere.....like in the 8th AAF. The last two Jug videos are outstanding. I wonder if the P-47 pilots had been schooled in cruise control, like what Lindberg did with the P-38?
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 15 дней назад
Greg covered the fuel conservation that Lindy taught the P-47 pilots about 2/3 through the video. Or are you referring to a different kind of cruise control?
@Tinbender-zr4jd
@Tinbender-zr4jd 16 дней назад
I found these videos on the P-47 in the Pacific fascinating since my father was a gunner in a B-24 flying from New Guinea at the time. He was assigned to the 22nd Bomb Group, 19th Bomb Squadron. He was on some of the raids you mentioned because I have all his military records including his flight records and two very detailed books on the 22nd Bomb Group. I wonder if things are such that he survived the war and I am here due to those P-47 escorts, their drop tanks, and General Kenney? No way to ever know for sure. Thank you so much for your research and the video. As a side note, I was once assigned to the 49th Fighter Wing at Holloman AFB, NM, which was once part of 5th AF in WWII.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
Thanks. I have been to Holloman. All the streets were named after states, plus Cuba.
@Anymouse6980
@Anymouse6980 15 дней назад
All his records are great family information and should be kept, my thought anyway. If there ever comes a time considering where to keep this history, USAF historians can archive your family history. The voices and actions of our men and women from that time are going quiet and dim in our consciousness and what remains should be maintained and available to all.
@stevenphillips2653
@stevenphillips2653 16 дней назад
Always glad to see Oz get a shout-out! I wish that Australia would get more credit for all they accomplished in the PTO.
@sadwingsraging3044
@sadwingsraging3044 16 дней назад
My grandfather never had anything but good things to say about the Australians.😊👍🏻
@gregmuon
@gregmuon 15 дней назад
My grandfather had some choice words for "Bunker Doug" as did may other pacific WWII vets. He clearly did make good choices on occasion. He managed to win the peace in post war Japan, and he selected Kenney. Perhaps that makes up for his shortcomings.
@demiurgiac
@demiurgiac 17 дней назад
Greg, One of your best episodes. Loved all the detail about a little addressed topic.
@msamsamsamsamsamsamsamsamsamsa
@msamsamsamsamsamsamsamsamsamsa 16 дней назад
I just wanna say you do such a tremendous job at this subject matter… I would love to hear an episode of Unauthorized History of the Pacific War that brings you on to really shed some light on this little known sector of the war effort.
@colinlove5062
@colinlove5062 2 дня назад
General Kenny really does deserve a review from historians and the aviation community. I assume part of his lack of exposure in the WW2 story is he was a Pacific General. On top of that he was part of SW Pacific Command. Which was at the bottom of the allied supply chain with the possible exception of the China-Burma-India Theater. There’s also the fact that he was part of Douglas MacArthur’s staff. MacArthur is arguably the most controversial theater commander US general of WW2. The only possible exception being “Vinegar” Joe Stillwell of the China-Burma-India theater who ruined cooperation with our major ally China. MacArthur is more controversial due to his talent as a strategic planner juxtaposed to his inexperience commanding at a lower level. He was army royalty his father Arthur MacArthur won the Medal of Honor leading a charge up a mountain that broke the Confederate lines in The Battle Above the Clouds the decisive moment of the Chattanooga Campaign. Douglas MacArthur led the rainbow division in WW1 but he was quickly promoted partly due to his bravery and partly due his talent as a political general. His lack of experience at small unit tactics and logistics showed during the early days of the battle of New Guinea. MacArthur forged a political alliance with the Australian Prime Minister who wanted more control over the Army and MacArthur got political power to run the war his way. Some of the real hero’s of the Kakota Campaign were fired while winning the battle due to MacArthur believing the Australians lacked élan. The same debunked theory that fighting sprit can over come any odds. The French Army paid dearly in the early days of WW1. Despite the Japanese fighting spirit being second to none it led them to make self defeating attacks into the teeth of strong American positions. Though despite this MacArthur always managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat partly due to his deep understanding of grand strategy, but also due to luck. George Marshall made the only trip of a senior US military official after finding out he was passed over for D-Day command. Arguably having Marshall direct the whole war in DC was a good choice but he understood what it would mean to lead Overlord. He also felt he paid his dues running the war in DC and wanted a real command not only that but everyone at the time saw him as the clear best choice. So Marshall goes to visit MacArthur and tells him Nimitz is maneuvering to get SW Pacific folded into his command and it’s going to happen. Arguably a divided command is bad military strategy and Nimitz central Pacific drive was wildly successful. However MacArthur had been doing a dry run for his fall from grace in Korea. His personality was odd he would be bad mouthing his superiors talking about conspiracies to shut him down and Marshall and his cabal being at the head of it. To MacArthur’s surprise Marshall comes to visit him and MacArthur does his thing where he pulls out the red carpet and is your best friend. Marshall tells MacArthur that he is about to be shut down and he won’t get to the Philippines but if he acts now he can steal a march on Nimitz. So all of a sudden MacArthur brings his attack forward on the Admiralty Islands opening the door to the Philippines just as his resources are about to be combined into a single attack towards Taiwan and then Okinawa. All this aside Kenny was on MacArthur’s staff and after MacArthur’s debacle on the Yalu and politicization of his command he’s been extremely polarizing. General Kenny achieved amazing feats that mirror legendary feats in the European Theater achieved years later and with maximum resources. The Battle of the Bismarck Sea which set the stage for the Japanese defeat in New Guinea & the Solomon’s was a masterpiece. Kenny saw one of his top pilots practicing skipping a bomb with a B-25 into a wreck off Port Moresby. Kenny sets him to work to train his squadron to learn how to skip bomb a way to hit and sink fast moving warships. He sets up a multi layered attack which combined subterfuge with outstanding tactics all the while using a majority of nearly obsolete aircraft. He first attacked up high with B-25’s on a major Japanese fast transport run to reinforce Lay as the front was collapsing. It roused Japanese air cover who saw what they thought were Bristol Beauforts coming in for another high level bombing run. However Kenny used Beaufighters which had a very similar profile & they dove unexpectedly on the Zeros destroying Japanese air cover. Then A-10’s came in bombing and strafing the anti-aircraft defenses of the escorts and destroyers used as fast transports. After Japanese air cover was destroyed driven off or engaged and anti aircraft batteries were knocked out then came the B-25’s low and slow. The whole operation was to set up to open this opportunity for the B-25’s to be able to come in and skip bomb. The technique required a precise release to get the bomb to reach the ship just as it was running out of speed. The detonation on the ships side underwater with these I believe 500lb bombs was devastating due to the unique effect of underwater explosions. The Battle of the Bismarck Sea opened up Rabaul the major Japanese base in the area to be neutralized by air and bypassed. The bypassing of Rabaul was arguably MacArthur’s greatest achievement as there was a huge heavily fortified Japanese Army that was left to wither. Lay was abandoned and the last remains of the Japanese troops that stormed Malaya and The Dutch East Indies (The South Seas Detachment) fled into the jungle and was for all intents and purposes destroyed as a fighting force. The way was also clear to land and Finchaven. The shaping operations to take Lay are just as interesting as well. It’s really a shame that so little primary source documentation is left. While it’s not ideal it would be awesome if someone who is fluent in Japanese could look into their records. There’s is a good chance more is out there that hasn’t been translated into English. It would be really cool if there is a (relatively) easy way like that to get new English primary source data on the 5th Air Force. General Kenny is one of the most interesting leaders I’ve come across in a while. I’m sure I’m getting this quote slightly wrong but on the eve of the Battle of the Bismarck Sea Kenny said “Get ready boys this isn’t no varsity game we’re going up against the pros, we’re taking on Notre Dame”. *Speaking of Rabaul that map in front of him on the last frame of the video is it. It’s a city in the caldera of a great volcano next to 2-3 smaller volcanos over looking the town on the flat land. That would have been a bloody grinding battle to try and storm a full fledged Japanese army group base and naval base. I’d like to think he looking down and thinking of all the lives he saved by not having to take that.
@bobharrison7693
@bobharrison7693 14 дней назад
Greg, you have really expanded my knowledge of the P-47. This presentation brings back OLD memories of a project I did as a junior in high school in '57 - '58 on the 5th Air Force. As a retired Naval Aviator, airline pilot, corporate pilot and current CFI and air taxi pilot, I am and have been a military history buff with particular interest in the Pacific theater and more recently the "Great Patriotic War." Your videos greatly enhance our appreciation for the aircraft in particular and their roles in the prosecution of the war. BZ
@donaldelfreth553
@donaldelfreth553 16 дней назад
The book "General Kenny Reports" is a great read.
@NArnold48
@NArnold48 2 дня назад
Great video Greg, I'm glad you mentioned the Pacific Wrecks site. After watching this video I looked up my great uncle 2nd Lt. Dale F. Arnold and found a record of where he went down and the aircraft he was flying in April '44 near Wewak. I'd previously only heard snippets and rumors from my dad's generation and that he was MIA presumed KIA.
@artic9514
@artic9514 6 дней назад
I think delving into these warbirds after the war as race planes at Reno would be a good evolution of your videos and the work done to truly maximize these airframes and engines.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 6 дней назад
I did that to a small extent in the Sea Fury video.
@briansmith7458
@briansmith7458 17 дней назад
I would enjoy your thoughts on the lack of drop tanks for the Emil during the Battle of Britain. In my humble opinion this underscores how the woeful inadequacy of the Wermacht and Luftwaffe in particular early on.
@wiscodisco1
@wiscodisco1 16 дней назад
Nicely done Greg. The combination of technical detail, narrative story telling, and in an AO that gets very little attention, combined to make this an outstanding documentary!
@ronhudson3730
@ronhudson3730 16 дней назад
Excellent documentary information! Thanks Greg. There is no doubt that faulty doctrine, strategy snd tactics cost many lives over Europe. Largely due to the obstinacy and pig-headedness of those in charge. Proof-positive lays in the fact that they eventually did realize the necessity of escort fighters and the value of the P-47. The excuse regarding the lack of appropriate drop tanks fails entirely upon objective scrutiny as you so ably have proven. I recall when I was a teen in Canada reading about the losses incurred by the B-52's flying the same routes trip after trip. Proof that sometimes in the military, obstinacy is ageless.
@jacktattis
@jacktattis 16 дней назад
The P47 was relegated for one good reason In the tests at RAE early 1944 the P47 was found to have a lower T/M than the Germans and too many T/Bolts were being lost chasing the Germans in the dive The P51 had a higher T/M than the Germans and was chosen .
@JM-sl9ql
@JM-sl9ql 15 дней назад
It's great to see posts about Fifth Air Force in Papua New Guinea. Lindberg visited as a consultant to extend the range of the P-38s for those long missions. The P-47s did great work. I'm currently a historian in 5AF. Tsili Tsili was set up as a refueling point to facilitate fighter escort on Wewak strikes. Aviation fuel was flown into an older mining airstrip a few miles away that could handle C-47s. I met a lieutenant who in 1943 was the guy who figured out how to modify a 2-1/2 ton truck to be able to be broken down into two halves, each that could just fit through the cargo door and not exceed the rated payload of the aircraft by too much. They used the trucks to haul the barrels the few miles to establish a fuel depot. Fifth AF was always making do with what little they had in an austere theater. Happy to discuss if you want to do the story.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 15 дней назад
You're a what? Anyway, that's fascinating, I have never heard of a 2 1/2 ton truck being broken down that way.
@JM-sl9ql
@JM-sl9ql 10 дней назад
I work as a civilian government employee for the USAF. I am the 18th Wing historian at Okinawa. Kenney mentions the truck in his memoir. He got a couple of facts wrong. I have the patent, and a roll of 36 photos of the day they demonstrated the truck at Seven Mile airstrip in Pt Moresby. And a bunch of other documents the inventor saved, because his immediate supervisor jealously tried to punish him when he was sent back to Australia to get the trucks modified there. The brass wrote letters in his defense. Another aspect of this is the Texan, Everette Frazier, who located the Tsili Tsili site. He left a self published memoir. He's mentioned in Craven and Cate's history.
@waltergreif4836
@waltergreif4836 12 дней назад
Thanks Greg for this great account of the fabulous P47 in the PTO. I knew the Jug was at the Marianas off carriers but little else.
@bassplayersayer
@bassplayersayer 16 дней назад
Great video Greg. Overwhelming evidence. Rock on!!!!!
@scottyfox6376
@scottyfox6376 16 дней назад
Thank you for educating me regarding P47's participations in the SouthWest theatre. I've hardly heard anything about P47's in the Pacific.
@m.r.donovan8743
@m.r.donovan8743 15 дней назад
First, terrific video Greg! Very informative. Second, I'm glad that you gave much credit where it is due to General Kenney. His innovative approach to types of aircraft ordered by the Fifth Air Force was essentially, "I'll take anything!" He made great use of A-20's and Lockheed Hudsons when no other theater commander wanted them. Third, I'm a bit surprised that Colonel Paul "Pappy" Gunn was not mentioned. An enlisted aircraft mechanic, and Naval Aviator, he changed services at the beginning of WW2 and was commissioned as a Captain in the Army Air Force. His approach to fabrication and maintenance on Fifth AF aircraft was extremely innovative, and his background of being a "tool user" was instrumental in his skills and thought process. He was not a "The book says you can do that" or "Let me see if we can get approval for that alteration" kind of guy. Instead he said, "Let's try it and see if it works." He was the guy responsible for mounting six 50 caliber machine guns and a 20 mm cannon into the nose of B-25's just to see if it worked. And it was a huge success. One A-20 or B-25 could easily sink a lot of merchant shipping with that one idea, and it was just one of the dozens of ingenious changes that were made after delivery of aircraft into the theater. I'm pretty sure that he and his mechanics "engineered" and fabricated the Brisbane tank.
@michaelgarrow3239
@michaelgarrow3239 16 дней назад
Greg- Charles Lindbergh invented (?) running gas aircraft Lean of peek; setting fuel ratio off the exhaust gas temperature. Normally set rich of peek to avoid detonation, he would lean to peek and then several hundred degrees leaner. At low power settings this could give incredible fuel burn rates. But was somewhat dangerous.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 16 дней назад
many P-47s did suffer engine failures following Lindberghs advice. many units refused to use his range extension recomendations.
@jiyushugi1085
@jiyushugi1085 16 дней назад
@@SoloRenegade Were most warplanes equipped with EGT gauges in those days?
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 16 дней назад
@@jiyushugi1085 EGT or not, pilots still burn up their engines leaning improperly.
@scullystie4389
@scullystie4389 16 дней назад
39:00 Benzos and morphine is a helluva combo
@sebclot9478
@sebclot9478 16 дней назад
Sounds like it!
@georgeburns7251
@georgeburns7251 10 дней назад
It seems incredible to me how the USA was able to improve the performance and combat range of the P47 during WW2. Incredible engineering and of course production capacity.
@ooglepeepers
@ooglepeepers 12 дней назад
The 58th Fighter group was an all P-47 group in the 5th Air Force. Their unit history is titled "No Glamour, No Glory", which pretty much sums up the P-47 experience in the Pacific. My father was assigned to the Headquarters detachment of the 58th Fighter Group.
@TadMarko
@TadMarko 15 дней назад
Greg, I love that you have done so much work to defend the P-47s reputation. I just wish you'd been in a command position in the USAAF in 1942. The P-47 has long been my favorite since I was a kid in the 1970s. Much like you, I think. I had all the popular books by Gunston and others back then, and I never really understood why the P-47 didn't get more love. I think you've done a fantastic job of showing that it was mostly misunderstandings, prejudice, and not just a little incompetence that held the P-47 back. About the only thing the P-51 had on the P-47 is that it was cheaper to procure and operate. But, the P-51 wasn't there early-on when things were critical, the P-47 was, and the odds stacked against it weren't just from the enemy.
@markst.germain9286
@markst.germain9286 16 дней назад
The P-47 is my favorite airplane , my son's and I always argue because they love the P-51. I got them into watching Greg's videos and of course they make fun of his audio, but they respect his opinion and I can't wait for them to watch this one !
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
I hope they think the audio got better.
@garethalley9805
@garethalley9805 2 дня назад
Really enjoyed this episode. Well done Greg.
@garystephens6498
@garystephens6498 16 дней назад
I really like your videos on the P47. Too often overlooked because of the P51.
@sethbromley7186
@sethbromley7186 14 дней назад
I never doubted Greg’s interpretation of this issue - to me the most salient point made here is that considering the amazing pace of technological advancement and industrial mobilization during the war, it’s impossible to believe that American engineers couldn’t figure out how to hook up an extra tank of gas to a fighter plane. Any reasonable person has to conclude that deliberate choices were made to prevent this. But in doing these painstakingly researched videos he removes all reasonable doubt. Incredible work. It’s a great example for how honest people can push back on false narratives advanced by the “official” sources.
@jeramiebradford1
@jeramiebradford1 3 дня назад
I've never flown a p-47 but I can attest to the fact that morphine and speed makes a long drive go by easier
@woodrowsmith3400
@woodrowsmith3400 13 дней назад
The 'Jug' was so ugly she was beautiful. My favorite WWII fighter. So fast, so powerful, so deadly. It was, in fact, their performance in the Pacific Theater of the war that endeared them to me. The men that flew them must have huge bal...well, you know. Thanks for bringing this interesting and informative video forward, Greg!
@jollyjakelovell4787
@jollyjakelovell4787 16 дней назад
"Why did the name Tsili Tsili persist?' A photo of Aussie Vultee dive bombers accompany this question. Those cheeky ANZACs
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
I'm impressed you recognized the Vultee. As for the name Tsili Tsili, I don't know why it persisted. I will say that there was a lot of talk regarding what names to use for locations. The conqueror's names, or the names used by the conquered.
@sadwingsraging3044
@sadwingsraging3044 16 дней назад
16:56 Caught the bent wings myself. Vultee A-35 was always one of my secret loves.😊
@k75romeofive
@k75romeofive 16 дней назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I have done considerable research on the 1874th Aviation Engineering Brigade, my dad's WWII unit . They were were on Noemfoor to build and extend airfields. I can confirm your assessment of the difficulty with names. The native names were often impossible for english speaking military and so the did several things. One was to Anglicize them, resulting in some very strange new names, change them totally to somethning that made sense at the time but has no significance with in 2-3 months. I would bet Tsili- tsili was one of those cases. This naming system or lack there of , is the reason there is so much extra research needed to do something as seemingly simple as following a units route of travel. Add to that the GI's penchact for using profane or slang terms and you have a nearly perfect code, not easily broken. I saw this in my time in Vietnam as well. Great series!
@sebclot9478
@sebclot9478 16 дней назад
Because it was a silly, silly location for an air base.
@JM-sl9ql
@JM-sl9ql 15 дней назад
Tsili Tsili was actually the name of a nearby village to the airfield site, which was built in dry season on a gravel riverbed and only used until the rains returned. Marlinan, a few miles away, was an airfield used in the 1930s during a local gold rush but was unsuitable for WW2 fighters. Still ok for C-47s after they burned the grass off and cleared it. Kenney forbade using the name Tsili Tsili in case the operation turned into a debacle.
@garysarratt1
@garysarratt1 16 дней назад
Any of y’all ever read about the “dot on sheet of paper” incident between Kenney and MacArthur?
@erickleven1712
@erickleven1712 15 дней назад
That was MacArthur's subordinate that was trying to micromanage the air war and didn't know anything. Kenney put him in his place, and then they both got about the business of fighting the war.
@garysarratt1
@garysarratt1 15 дней назад
@@erickleven1712 Sutherland? It’s been years since I read it.
@user-ch5og5oo3f
@user-ch5og5oo3f 13 дней назад
Dear Greg, Thanks for highlighting General Kenny's contributions to the victory against the Japanese military. His autobiography is both a fine history of the war, and also a great textbook on operations and management. Gregg
@garyhooper1820
@garyhooper1820 16 дней назад
As cited in comments by others , these two P -47 videos are among some of your best . Thanks
@martinricardo4503
@martinricardo4503 16 дней назад
58th FG was a P-47 group. Operations started in 1944 and were predominantly ground attack. The Mexican squadron operated with the 58th.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
That's a good point. They were busy setting up at Oro Bay in Dec. of 1943, but didn't start operations until a couple months later, which is why I sort of forgot about them there. Good catch!
@martinricardo4503
@martinricardo4503 15 дней назад
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Understandable. A great presentation. The story of Lt. Nathan Gordon and his crew in the PBY is quite interesting. I think I first read about it in Warpath Across the Pacific, a book about the 345th Bomb Group with B-25 Strafers. Thank for all your stories.
@kennarnett8220
@kennarnett8220 9 дней назад
Excellent! I'm proud again to be an Okie!
@kennydee8296
@kennydee8296 16 дней назад
what an excellent video, my two fav US fighters, Thunderbolts and Corsairs and this video really illustrates how good the P47’s really were - thanks so much Greg 🇦🇺
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
I'm really glad you liked it.
@johnelvidge1336
@johnelvidge1336 14 дней назад
I read a book about Operation Cartwheel and what was called MacArthur's Navy did and it seemed MacArthur had a knack for finding those leaders who could improvise, adapt an overcome. The Navy side of the SWA theater, especially early on, used every means available from local boats to captured barges to make actions that no one else would have tried. Amazing stuff.
@sailordude2094
@sailordude2094 16 дней назад
I read some of that General Kenney book. Great stuff, thanks for the recommendation and historical videos you made.
@raywhitehead730
@raywhitehead730 10 дней назад
Currently the US Air Force is establishing an enhanced air base in Basco Island about 330 miles from Tiawan. The distance by air thing, is still a thing.
@williamnordin7976
@williamnordin7976 16 дней назад
I heard somewhere that Lindberg helped the p38 range with that higher boost low rpm setup aswell.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
That's true.
@hughw10
@hughw10 16 дней назад
Beautiful plane at 9:20.
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 16 дней назад
The Ki-61 really is a beauty.
@drjzzz
@drjzzz 16 дней назад
Even as a kid reading about WWII, I realized the P47 was a great airplane but... I would still want to fly the P51 Mustang! Probably like British kids preferring the iconic Spitfire over the Hurricane, which was (also) a great plane and did most of the work in the Battle of Britain.
@glhx2112
@glhx2112 12 дней назад
Great timing, I just started reading "General Kenney Reports: A Personal History of the Pacific War". This vid dovetail's perfectly with this book concerning range issues the General dealt with as soon as he hit the ground and took charge of the air campaign in that part of the world back in 1942.
@whiskey11niner
@whiskey11niner 16 дней назад
You’re spoiling us Greg
@JessPeters-qg1bn
@JessPeters-qg1bn 14 дней назад
One comment by Gunther Raul when asked how the P47 compared to the P51, he basically stated the thunderbolt was fearsome, but the Mustang there was so many of them. It was an interview with a British pilot when he said it.
@bruceparr1678
@bruceparr1678 15 дней назад
Re that common belief that air combat in the SW Pacific theater was at a lower altitude than the European theater. Some years ago I read the book "Darwin Spitfires". Some of the RAAF pilots tell of being bounced at around 30,000 feet.
@kendavis8046
@kendavis8046 15 дней назад
Greg, thank you. I'm an old nerd, but you provide insight on the old war birds that my total experience with was lovingly building plastic models, and the P-47 in 1/48 scale was one of my favorites. WAY bigger than other fighters, and it had the reputation of doing things like survivable crashes into chimneys. It's not pretty like a P-51, but it was a great answer to pretty much every opposing fighter.
@taotoo2
@taotoo2 16 дней назад
Great video. Please do one on the relative merits of inline vs rotary engines (seems to me warplanes would be better off with the latter, unless perhaps they are flown over friendly territory). Would be even better if you could include the history of which plane got what, and why.
@paulwoodman5131
@paulwoodman5131 15 дней назад
General Kenney did some fantastic work out on a string in the Pacific. The B-25 Mitchell is another success story George Kenney is a part of. The supply lines had to have been perilous most days.
@mattharcla
@mattharcla 15 дней назад
Great work mate, and as an Aussie, we really appreciate and honour the commitment. But the 8th...more and more it sounds like B-17 crews were subjected to sheer bloody murder.
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 15 дней назад
Btw - very funny line about asking to use morphine on your long flights!🤣
@wuaf_devas9678
@wuaf_devas9678 16 дней назад
Bravo, Greg! You can move to the ranks of ww2 historians. When I saw photos of p47 in ground attack configuration, I wondered, why that weight (3 bombs + 10 rockets) cannot be substituted with drop tanks. Now, everything is clear! Please consider writing a book. Your videos deserve much wider audience!
@img5016
@img5016 14 дней назад
I love watching your videos, it set many a conversation with my late father, an avid history buff and aviation enthusiast. When I was young I was obsessed with the P51 but as I got older, learned engineering, my appreciation for the P47 grew and I can say was capped off by your series. One of my father’s gifts for me when I moved home was a model he built of Bostwick’s P47 M. Thanks for all these years of videos I hope there are many more.
@terrygardner3031
@terrygardner3031 16 дней назад
General Kenney also was an innovator in the bomber area as well. Skip bombing, the B25's with gun noses and 75 mm cannon. On another note my wife's uncle was killed on Noomfer island helping land a P61 as there was no tower and the cross winds were really bad along with rain. He stayed in his P61 and the other pilot lost control after landing and ran into his plane and killed him. That would be a great plane to talk about as well, it was maligned as being too slow.
@Salty1952
@Salty1952 15 дней назад
Great video! My dad flew in the 13th AF and operated from several of the airfields mentioned. His missions started in early '44' and continued into 1945. His missions were almost always low altitude and using para-frags and napalm ordinance mostly against Japanese airfields in line abreast. His B-25J 27 had 14 fwd firing 50 cals. and yet, because the surrounding jungles were so dense. he hardly ever saw what he was shooting at.
@rare_kumiko
@rare_kumiko 15 дней назад
Another excellent video, thanks, Greg. I'll make sure to check out the Patreon materials later. Question: was the P-47N the longest-ranged single-engined fighter of WW2?
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 15 дней назад
Yes, the 47N was the longest range single engine fighter of the war.
@thomasknobbe4472
@thomasknobbe4472 13 дней назад
I recall that Pappy Gunn, who had developed the commerce-raiding B-25 with General Kenny''s blessing and encouragement, had to travel to the North American factory to convince company engineers that it could be done and show them how. Sometimes there is also "not invented here" resistance to innovation, and it takes field modifications by the guys who have to do the actual fighting to do the innovating. Not the case here, as Republic engineers had developed their own effective drop tank, but sometimes.
@UncleJoeLITE
@UncleJoeLITE 16 дней назад
Greetings from AU Greg, this series has been very interesting.
@johnlovett8341
@johnlovett8341 16 дней назад
Thanks as always. My two main takeaways (profound things I did not know before) are: 1) internal fuel, the stuff you need for combat and getting home after dropping tanks, is a binding constraint on combat radius. Drop tanks are only a constraint up to a point. 2) USAFE could have T-Bolt tanks that go up to 28-30K a year before they did. Yes, there are always mistakes in war, but this is a big one. Wow! Great lessons.
@darrellseike3185
@darrellseike3185 16 дней назад
Incredible video which undeniably shows that the P-47 was far better than the Bomber Mafia gave them due credit. Thank you Greg!!!
@petervollheim5703
@petervollheim5703 15 дней назад
Superb video Greg. I knew a 361st P-51 pilot who's group was attached to Patton's drive - meaning he did a lot of ground pounding. He told me several times that he wished he had gone to war in a P-47. He trained in one, in fact stuffed one into the everglades during an engine failure. He loved the P-51 - but loved the P-47 a lot more.
@gabrielneves6602
@gabrielneves6602 15 дней назад
It's interesting that, at least from what I've found watching/studying WW2 air combats that the vast majority of pilots that trained din the p 47, although sent to another planes, would wish to have fought in it. Tough it might be a biased perception, since I absolutely love the jug, and thus see a lot of things about it
@coolhandab5296
@coolhandab5296 16 дней назад
Thanks Greg, these last two videos have been awesome.
@cuddlepoo11
@cuddlepoo11 15 дней назад
Awesome video and love the detail and tech data.
@stephendecatur189
@stephendecatur189 15 дней назад
Once again, another great video. Thanks Greg.
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 11 дней назад
Thank you again for another excellent, well researched video. I think I'm going to have to look up general Kenney's book.
@tegli4
@tegli4 13 дней назад
That was qutie interesting. Made me realize that USAAF actions in the pacific is overlooked in the media I consume.
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 16 дней назад
Besides the information about the Jugs specifically, thanks for highlighting the activities of the 5th AF!
@dgax65
@dgax65 16 дней назад
Another enlightening and interesting video. You never disappoint.
@benchapple1583
@benchapple1583 16 дней назад
Wow! You really do dig into the details. A great video, thank you.
@drewfidoe1798
@drewfidoe1798 15 дней назад
I had a friend who flew Hawker Hurricanes and Thunderbolt IIs (P-47Ds) with No. 30 Squadron RAF in Burma, which included some escort duty with lots of glide bombing/strike missions. He LOVED flying the Thunderbolt, with its roomy cockpit and rugged construction. One of his observations that always stuck with me was the subject range. He claimed 6 - 8 hour missions... stating that the RAF made fuel modifications in the wings for longer range flights. More than once he stated dismay as to why the USAAF didn't do the same in Europe. While I couldn't find any reference to RAF internal fuel tankage modifications, if one looks up the No. 30 Squadron RAF Wikipedia webpage... there is an early model Thunderbolt II equipped with what apper to be HUGE wing drop tanks fitted. PS, great video Greg!
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles
@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles 14 дней назад
Thanks, and that picture shows a bubble top with twin 150 or 165 gallon tanks. I would have a lot of range.
@floycewhite6991
@floycewhite6991 16 дней назад
Man I would hate to have to bail out over that jungle.
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