Both are amazing cars, in the fight between ZR1 and GTD the one who wins is the enthusiasts. GTD is more exclusive, basically a race car with license plates, ZR1 is an impressive Supercar that will still bother many European rivals. I can't wait to see the content you make with these two
@@63Imp283 nope... ZR1 has fixed aero while the mustang has active to reduce drag on the high speed straights. Then consider that the ZR1 weighs over 600lbs more than the GTD. The ZR1's power to weight advantage isn't very big.
I'm a big fan of both, I've owned 4 Mustangs, including a Fox body Saleen and an S-351 Saleen, currently own a "not stock" C7 ZO6 manual and I'm currently on the E-Ray list after dropping off the C8 ZO6 list. I may be a bit off here, but for a 'Ring hot lap, I'm going with the Mustang GTD, even with its HP deficit. I've seen both cars in person, and I'm impressed with both, but the GTD is basically a race car you can bolt plates on, while even with the 1000+ HP the ZR1 is more towards the hypercar, street driver. I'd say if the ZR1 were to beat the GTD around the 'Ring, it will make up the time in the straights, while the GTD will lock down the sweepers and braking. That being said, I'm guessing that both cars will be well below the 7 minute mark. I will be nice to see some American cars kicking ass in Germany.
The most interesting thing is how you, as hopefully owner of both vehicles , compares them. With your track creeds and unbiased opinion, I REALLY look forward to that.
Ford is doing what bmw is doing trying to punch out of it weight leagues . It’s dumb how people actually tries to justify such a comparison. Ford are like bmw they punching in the dark
@@slowazbmwkilla3073 Punching in the dark? You do realize how much of a monster this car is? The whole reason people are even comparing them are because they're closer than what most might expect. Don't forget Ford was the one who rivaled the brand Chevy was modeling the C8 after...
Can't compare Porsche times to those done by a factory showroom car in a few months time. Porsche spends extensive time their and also uses manthey parts in there ring record cars often times
Good question. The ZR 1 has an insane top speed. I read that they actually gave it a softer ride. I know how a Z06 drives but know nothing about the GTD. i will give the Corvette the advantage but never count Ford out. Many made that mistake when they heard that Ford put the Echo Boost V 6 in the GT. I would still love to see a GT with a V8 wouldn't you? LOL Just because LOL
I can feel your passion and love thru the video and I'm here for it. I can always count on you for the newest news, numbers and specs of the hottest cars out. Thanks Austin. Keep up the hard work.
It's not just horsepower and the GTD doesn't have better aero than the ZR1, taking a page out if Ferrari F50's playbook, there are massive ducts in the front hood of the ZR1 that direct errant air from beneath the front of the chassis up and over the windshield, essentially sucking it to the road, an effect that increases with speed. Then there's the weight distribution, you owned both a Mustang and a McLaren, you know that having the engine over the rear wheels is the superior orientation in terms of traction coming out of corners and mitigating understeer. DRS isn't needed with 200 more hp on and DRS isn't going to compensate for 200 hp, its worth maybe 50 hp. Also, cooling, the ZR1 has that addressed, does Ford? Weight? The ZR1 is simply the better car, at least on paper.
The Hennessey venom f5 has 1817 horsepower way more than the Corvette. However it’s Nuremberg time is 7:31. However the the Porsche GT3 RS has 518 horsepower and has a Nuremberg lap time is 6:56. The GTD is built to be a race car where as the corvette is a street car and that is the difference.
The Venom is also a stretched Lotus Elise with the engine swap from hell, with top speed being its sole focus, not ‘Ring or any other road course times.
I have not yet seen this video. But I promise you the ZR1 is a game changer. And it's made for the track. 100 bucks on the ZR1. Any takers. Only if you haven't seen it
Of course the ZR1 has a big advantage in terms of power, but as you have said and as I am about to say, is the ZR1 made for that power? Does it have outrageous amounts of downforce (1000 lbs or more at 150) to counteract the spin-out tendencies of such massive torque? No, it only gets over 1000 at around 200. Does it have advanced suspension geometry (SLA, pushrod, pullrod) to increase grip? No, it runs on the same struts as the base Corvette. Does it have DRS and ground effect to generate more efficient downforce and decrease turbulence? No, it has fixed aero and a flat bottom that generates almost no downforce. The GTD has all of the above, meaning it will come out of a corner faster and handle the exit better. Not to mention that braking as a front engine vehicle with much larger front tires will likely be better than the ZR1. The Dark Horse is already on par with or better than it in that regard, now imagine that but with stickier tires and a larger contact patch and more consistency. This means it will also come into a corner faster and brake later. GTD for the win. We'll have to see how it's engineering advantages affect lap times in the real world though.
SLA is not advanced suspension geometry, it's basic suspension setup for a proper sportcars. Corvette been running SLA on all 4 corners for decades. It never used struts. Agreed with all other stuff, imo ZR1 would be highway pulls car.
One thing GM has said is it's tested a lot of aero options and they said active aero wasn't any advantage over fixed aero. They stated active aero was only for aesthetics.
@@gbmack10that's interesting as 1200lbs of downforce is alot. DRS/active aero would definitely let air flow more giving it more speed on the straights. 233mph for the low downforce ZR1.
I don’t know anything so don’t jump on my neck but isn’t that C8 derived from a dominant race car? I think it will be close. The GTD was built for this tho. I think GM is waiting to release their time and don’t forget that they are working on one more version of the C8, that Zora may be track focused if they feel the need to put something down. I would keep it in mind. For my money, give me the Vette. I don’t even need a ZR1, not sophisticated enough as a driver to drive it or the GTD
Well the hundreds of cars and coffee burnouts into crowds, curbs & trees don't help lol. All kidding aside as a Corvette fan and owner, the GTD looks to be a serious track weapon, and I applaud Ford/Mutimatic for producing it, respect.
@@Tranceport913 Corvette is way more dangerous than Mustang, starting at behaviour at the limit and finishing with degenerate setup of electronic systems, that are trying to kill you. Though obv Corvette is different league and is faster (excluding GTD that will be the fastest)
@@Tranceport913that joke super old dude. Lousy and overconfident drivers are who crash Mustangs, as well as plenty of Challengers, Chargers, Vipers, Camaros, Corvettes, Supras, and even Miatas.
Guess you Mustang guys missed the "all kidding aside part". Was a joke. Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm a car enthusiast not a blind brand loyal fanboy. I have respect for Mustangs, GT350R, GT500's, GTD etc. I have Z06's, an R35 GTR etc. I like cars.
@AB-coyote Yes especially wirh the 2020 GT500 from the 2012-13 model. Many simply using the older model and assuming no difference but the hundred more hp. It was comical reading the comments after it was released.
My biggest concern with the GTD is its weight. If it's at least 400 lbs lighter than the GT500 is I would have full confidence in it being a sub 6:50 car. It looks like Ford is really confident in its abilities so I wouldn't be surprised if it were in that league.
the gtd is engineered and built by multimatic, they also partly manufacture and fully assemble the amg one. they make the porsche 963 chassis. they do engineering on the aston martin valkyrie pro. they engineered and built the gt that won le mans and all versions of the road and track only cars. they build the gt4/gt3 race cars.
So what. Multimatic also made the suspension for my car as well as verious other vehicles for Chevrolet. Pratt and Miller make the rear wing on my car, but that doesn't mean they 'built the car'. Just because Multimatic made DSSV spool valve dampers doesn't mean they manufacturered the whole car.
@@HaloJumpmaster maybe you should look into it. they're an engineering and manufacturing company first, they have operations on 3 continents. there's a reason ford partners with them and a lot of other manufacturers work with them. the gtd is built in markham, ontario. the chassis (which gets modified), engine block and doors are sent to them...
@JeffBronstein the GTD is an overpriced turd with a cheap plastic interior. Just like every Mustang ever made. To insinuate that the GTD is worth the 300K base price is an insult to every road racers intelligence.
@@HaloJumpmaster You're making a lot of assumptions without any real evidence to back up your claim. Perhaps you should do some more research on the GTD before you suggest that it isn't built by Multimatic (it is, by the way).
I would rather have a used gt500 than a $300,000 GTD. Of course I would daily the car, and go to the track like maybe once. I think the zr1 looks amazing, I wish they would put that hood and wing on the z06 or even a new wide body Grand Sport model with the base engine.
The issue with the Mustang ( as incredible a car as it is) is that it runs into the same ultimate limitations as the prior Corvette C7 did. Being a Front Engined Rear Wheel drive car introduces some serious limitations with traction on launch as well as total balance on tighter road courses. Sure,..front engined Ferrari's along with pre C8 Corvettes and Mustang and Camaros and lots of other front engined cars tried to compensate by placing the engine as far behind the front wheels as they possibly could within the frames of their cars,.but at the end of the day,.its the Lamborghini Miura and other cars which placed the motor behind the driver and over the rear wheels that showed what ultimate performance looked like. Having some type of active aero certainly helps but even under the best conditions its not going to cancel out both mid-engine architecture AND a 200 hp deficit,.LoL! Will the Mustang be FAST!?? Off course. Will the Ford be a brutal car thats fun to drive and experience? most certainly. Will it consistently have faster track times around tight road courses compared to the higher end Vettes?? Only if I am the one driving the Chevy,..LoL
Incorrect. The C8 has an absolute superior chassis, weight distribution and weight transfer. It doesn’t have 700lbs in engine and heat exchangers up front. Ferrari and Porsche specifically target a 40/60 distribution. The s650 pales in comparison to the stiffness of the C8’s hydroformed chassis. It will take every single trick thrown at the GTD’s front-mid unibody to make it as compliant as the C8.
@@BEBNC1 Sounds like you need some serious educating on the Mustang GTD! While The engine is mid front mounted, the trans axle rear diff. offsets it to a nearly perfect 50/50 dist. The ZR1 is a bit ass heavy at 39/61 dist. The GTD's mid pushrod actuated rear suspension, as part of a race proven tubular sub frame, and adaptive spool valve dampers, semi-active suspension setup at all 4 corners is far, far ahead of what the Corvette features! Multimatic has taken care of stiffening the chassis to handle the power and maximize handling characteristics of this race car built for the road. Actually, the GTD features enhancements that make it prohibited for sanctioned road racing standards! It is the most advanced suspension system ever put in an American car and 99% of Euro cars! READ ABOUT IT!! By the way, Multimatic Engineers built the race chassis for the Porsche 963 and their credentials are exceptional!
@Loulovesspeed I don't think you understood what he said. The ideal balance for a vehicle is not 50/50 it's closer to 40/60 maybe even 30/70. Many have said 42/58, others said as far as 30/70, but never 50/50. You don't know much about cars at full tilt, or through experience. Porches are a peach, and they sit between the aforementioned numbers. Their range toppers sit between 30/70 and 40/60. GT3rs is at 30/70.
Sportauto ran it in 6:54.9 in a C8 ZO6/ZO7, the C7 ZR1 was over 10 seconds faster than C7 ZO6 with only 105 more HP and a little more wing, C8 ZR1 will be at least 10 seconds faster than the ZO6, but probably more like 15-20.
I'm confident the GTD will post a faster time. It has a much more sophisticated suspension, braking, and aerodynamics. It's also got a perfect 50-50 weight distribution (like the AMG GT Black) which is better than 40-60 in the ZR1. The GTD is a bit heavier and less powerful, but superior suspension, aero, braking and weight distribution makes up for it and much more.
I just don’t see putting Multimatic suspension in a Mustang being that much better than GMs Magnetic system in a C8, 50/50 weight distribution is really great for a front engine vehicle, mid rear engine is a totally different animal that doesn’t benefit from 50/50 like that.
@@samholcombe3129magna ride is a off the shelf system that’s found in multiple cars and trucks. It’s good for a sports car but is nothing compared to a suspension specially built by race engineers. The coil-over-shock units that reside above the transaxle in the GTD is usually something found in a GT3 racing group or hyper car. Magna ride is typically found in a GMC Yukon.
@@bruceb44 yep it’s the exact same suspension from a Yukon to a ZR1, I’m sorry if you’re feeling insecure about your favorite car going up against your enemy car. They will both be fast, just most people think the ZR1 will be faster.
@@daves913really? What are your projected lap times for both Mr. all knowing one? I'm just curious as "will kill the ZR1" is quite an extreme statement.
Zr1 is cool but all its got going for it is insane power and top speed. Its sort of like buying a konigsegg, lots of road presense and power but not a great track car. I think the GTD is a much more serious and respectable car all around. More refined and more tech
Handle is very important when going fast around corner I believe the ford gtd will have the best time horsepower don't matter if the tire can not turn well.
I feel like the Gtd will have it on cornering. But, I feel that the zr1 will have better acceleration. It's not always about power when it comes to the Nurburgring.
Ford GT was laughed at because it was soo expensive with a EcoBoost v6.. yet top speed and maximum horsepower was not what ford was going for. Same for GTD.
It wasn't built to make you happy, it had to be homologated to run in the class it raced - limited displacement. It OVER achieved its goal, winning La Mans - nobody is laughing now.
Still would love to have seen a Mustang supercar version with similar shape to a current stang but lower roofline slightly shorter from end and a twin turbo predator in the back with say a full weight of no more than 3400 pounds then it truly would annihilate every thing out there.
@@CoyoteAUS ford may as well go all the way and build a mid-engine hypercar then. the gt mkiv already exists but it's track only. they could go lmdh racing and build a street version hypercar, i seriously doubt that happens though.
As an avid sim racer (Fanatec DD1) Kunos recently added a Mustang GT3 to ACC based on the same chassis and its really difficult to drive, its extemely tail happy, and I main BMW's M4. Its literally undriveable.
Speed Phenom Great Video I definitely agree that most of the people that voted on that Poll probably know little to nothing about racing and that weight might not be the determining factor
The Corvette has a better weight for track use. Corvette already did what the Mustang is doing with the transmission in the rear of the car. C5, C6 and C7 are like this. They moved on to get more from the car.
@@JeffBronstein i've never heard that it's basically the same weight as the gt3 rs. larry holt said it would be close to the weight of the gt500. it has carbon fibre body panels and some lightweight parts but it also has beefier parts, aero, a hydraulic suspension, bigger cooling systems, etc. they take weight out in some ways and put it back in other ways. it's not a light chassis.
I don't think any of us really know that for sure, though. Ford hasn't released the weight of the GTD yet, so we're only really guessing at what it'll be. As far as the ZR1 is concerned, it's unquestionably heavier than the Z06, which is the more track oriented of the two Vettes. GM has specifically said that the ZR1 will have softer suspension than the Z06, which makes sense if what they're trying to do is make a better road car.
@@toomanyunlearned1 Eh, not really. The ZR1 is fundamentally built to be a road car and has softer suspension than the Z06. The GTD is built by Multimatic, the same people who built the latest generation Ford GT and GT3 race cars for endurance racing. If I had to pick which car I think would be faster around a track, I'd probably put my money on the GTD. Yeah, it's down on power from the Vette, but it has a far more refined chassis, suspension, and aerodynamic setup. I mean... the thing has DRS, so even though it'll probably be slower on the straights, I don't think it'll be by as much as some people are thinking.
Full lap (Wikipedia) A full lap of the Nordschleiife, bypassing the modern GP track, is 20,832 m (12.944 mi) long. Most laps are completed 200 metres (656 ft) shorter for safety reasons. Full interrupted flying laps can only be done in closed sessions and race events like Castro-Haugg-Cup. Bridge to gantry (Wikipedia) During tourist driving sessions, the full main straight cannot be driven at speed due to the exit/entrance.These laps are usually timed “bridge to gantry”, which is only 19.1 km (11.9 mi). The lap goes from the “bridge” at Antoniusbuche to the “gantry”.
power to weight is the measurement we need, not just horsepower and downforce (drag). both will probably be in the 7 min club which is good enough for any normal human
It would be a great battle, but when racing on the Nurburgring it’s about balance, with that massive wing and active aero might tip the scales towards ford
Aero and power will allow the ZR1 to accelerate out of corners much faster leaving the GTD to constantly play catchup. On the straights that ZR1 will begin to widen that gap. Just watch the Mustang GT4 (or gt3) struggle to compete against Lexus and Porsche in the actual races. It needs more power and less weight.
GT classes are all BoP regulated, it's irrelevant for an example ZR1 would absolutely be way slower out of corners and would have a time playing catchup on the straights, you got it backwards.
@maximborodyuk3773 ZR1 with engine over the rear wheels will be slower than a Mustang? Yeah man, Mustang totally accelerate like rockets coming out of Cars and Coffee, RU-vid is full of videos of the superior performance front engine RWD affords.
This is a silly topic. Corvette is a sports car, Mustang is NOT a sports car. If I have to explain the previous statement ANY deeper than that, then the person asking for the explanation is clueless.
I watch misha a lot and so far the gtd hasn’t broken the 7 minute mark yet, but they’ve been trying , I’m kind of disappointed that they never released a c8 z06 lap time 🤦♂️, I own an 2018 z06 and I know it’s best time was 7:14 with Christian gebhardt driving, I drove my friends c8 z06 and it is heavier than my car but it does seem to handle unbelievably, I wish they would have posted a Nurburgring time with it, they will both be excellent cars, very hard to get, I do think the zr1 looks better though😂
The problem with ford has been that they build to compete with what’s out at that moment and possibly win short term whereas others (in this case Chevrolet) build to win against what they project the competition will be putting out in the future. Example GTD versus ZR1, GT350R versus Camaro ZL1 1LE. The competition has a fast car that Ford eventually can compete with while that same competition is building something in anticipation of Fords build and beats it the moment it’s released by Ford. Ford builds to compete with now and not dominate with what’s to come.
I'd be curious about people making comments on if they have a z06 or have driven one on a track? I have tracked my gt500, a gt350, and my c8 z06 and the c8 is an absolute track monster, it is so good it makes you a better driver. The gtd will be world class for sure but it will really be hurt by the horsepower. Coming out of the turns hooked up you need all the hp you can get and this is when the zr1 is going to be mind bending. I'm getting the allocation at my dealership if they get the allocation and I'm sure they will so I'm a bit excited
But what about the advantages of the GTD being supercharged. The GTD powertrain is based off of the GT500. It has been noted in the GT500 that the pull from 60-150MPH is crazy. I think that is all about the super charger, is it not? So I see GTD outperforming the ZR1 through the corners and then coming out of the corners. For the Nürburgring, that is mostly what it is all about. But that is just me theorizing on the numbers and observing the videos of both the corvettes and GTD on the Nürburgring. I have absolutely zero experience with these level of vehicles. But based on my eyeballs. the GTD looks almost freakish to me in the way it takes corners. It is as if the video is sped up.
What about entering corners? What about consistent momentum? What about the tendency to end up over braking from excess speed? More hp and speed requires more work for the driver but if the car is set up well and Driver knows how to best utilize the power advantage that's another story.
@@richardmodglin3900 Well, Any good driver is going to maximize the advantages a vehicle gives them. So that all the more makes my point. I think the GTD has the ZR1 beat in sustaining momentum through the corners. It's not to say the ZR1 isn't the better overall car. Especially for the price. But we are talking about the Nurburgring. I think there is a reason Ford specifically made a great Nurburgring time the center point of their marketing campaign for the GTD. This GTD looks custom built to have a great lap time on the ring. I'm doubtful the ZR1 is even going to try to maximize a fast lap time there.
The ZR1 won't hit 230 with the track aero. It will probably hit near 210... so I think the HP difference may not be as a big advantage as one would think. I know the GTD looked more stable on the ring. It will be interesting.
Eh, that's debatable. The ZR1 is supposed to have softer suspension than the more track oriented Z06. It will also have less downforce than the GTD, as well as not having active aero or DRS.
@@chrism869nah there isn’t that’s why the gt black series is faster than the gt3 rs because it has 200 more horsepower and a better top speed than a Porsche gt3 rs
@@ericship8383 I think you're forgetting something. The 911 GT2 RS MR is quicker than the GT Black Series around the Nürburgring and it has twenty less horsepower than the Mercedes. If horsepower is everything, then why is that the case?
@ericship8383 top speed is useless on a track cause you'll never reach the absolute top speed of the car on a track even on the nordschlife longest straight. Remember the hagerty vid the gt3rs was the least powerfull yet it still had the fastest time on track against the c8 z06 with more power. Horsepower isn't always everything
The new Corvette ZR1 is an absolute beast, in every way!!! Looks, performance, power, and even price!!! I'm sure the Corvette beat the Ford POS, hands down!!!! That's Shitstang, isn't even close,in any way!!!
As a corvette z06 owner i will say that power is irrelevant when racing in any fashion other than a straight line. The GTD has every advantage over the ZR1 except for power. The GT3 Rs only has 518hp yet ran a sub 7 minute time so if power is your only measuring metric then theoretically the ZR1 should absolutely decimate the GT3 RS. To be honest whatever car ends up being faster, i doubt the time gap between them will be that drastic. At the end of the day neither car will come close to beating the AMG One's time 😂
Having the engine over the rear wheels is a disadvantage? As a former C5 Z06 owner I concur, a powerful V8 in the front and RWD is superior......for doing donuts.
This is almost a little funny, as cool as the gtd is it's not even in the same league as the zr1. Mustang just don't have the power. This is coming from a guy with a 1100hp gt500. When I drive my c8 z06 I can't imagine what that car will feel like with 400 more hp.
You have it wrong. The GT500 is an excellent mustang but not even close to the GTD. Your problem is you only judge cars by horsepower ratings. The GTD is in a league of its own that's set up where the horsepower is matched for track use to the GTDs performance components like it's areo and Suspension. Not just quarter mile passes. the GT500 is a multipl purpose mustang but most decide to use them at the dragstrip instead of road courses. The ZR1 makes one or more passes to obtain a top speed of 230+ mph which is obvious fast. But no GT racetracks have straightaways where cars reach that speed. How many passes can the ZR1 handle that usage. I'll wait until the ZR1 is being used by owners. (Many will be kept in garages for investments) to see the ZRl used as a daily driver, in the drag strip and road courses. An example for my reason is the Demon 170 and its performance numbers obtained by Dodge being quit different than actual owners.
The mustang GTD says it will have more downforce than the porsche gt3rs which has a total downforce of 860 kilograms. The 2025 zr1 is claimed to have 1200 kilograms of total downforce. Ford has been vague in so many ways with the GTD. So saying it has more downforce than the zr1 , not knowing what it is yet the current gt3rs has a total of 860 kilograms , the GTD better have substantially better numbers than the porsche to get to the zr1's 1200 kilograms. Just watching the videos on both the zr1 and the gtd in the same sections on the RIng, the vette is faster and straight away long runs, the vette is going to pull it pretty hard. Also mix in the mustang's weight. They throwing around numbers but basically its heavier than the zr1 on top of it all.
Comparing apples to oranges. The question would be who has the fastest front engine versus rear engine RWD auto? Because coming would be AWD EV and so on. Slicks or street tire
Funny how people think the zr1 is so super powerful. My Foxbody sitting at 500 hp, without the Procharger, will blow a zr1s doors off. Watch Evan Smith in his project stocker. Let's see the zr1 do that. Corvettes, always overrated.
Chevrolet Corvette you lost your mind that’s like back in the day when I try to compare 50 to Nissan Z and it couldn’t be a disease so don’t worry about the Corvette right now
The ZR1 platform is designed and built as a race car with features to make it road legal. The GTD is designed and built as a street car with race car features plus only car's designed with OUT back seats can be considered supercars which the GTD is not.
Your comment is all kinds of backwards chief, the GTD started off as a race car turned into a street car, the ZR1 is a street car turned into a race car. Also the GTD has no backseats, did you even bother doing any research at all ?
Well how about Chevy having the year plus of development that Ford had on the Mustang GTD to build a track purpose C8 vette not just a Z06 on steroids that the ZR1 is !!
@xirkid - It is a Ford design, it's built on a modified Mustang chassis and with a purpose built Ford engine. Are you just worried the "faux Ford", as you imply, will beat the ZR1 around the Ring?
Lol what ?? How is this even a conversation the ZR1 will be insane .. and it's not even a hypercar and is kinda heavy .. but not a pig like the mustang I bet the Vette ends up like 400 pounds lighter then the mustang making not only more hp but it's power to weight way better .. sorry bro front engine cars are trash.. plus the Vette is over 100k cheaper .. I bet even the zora will be way cheaper and what hp will that have ?? A ZR1 motor and probable hybrid AWD with what another 300 hp
Here's what I think of this situation. The C7 ZR1 according to C&D is 5 secs quicker than the GT500 CFTP at lightning lap. So Ford and Multi-Matic has to do enough changes to an SUV platform to even break that threshold. IMO changing the rear suspension and changing steel components in the chassis to aluminum. That ALONE would probably bring it slightly slower than the C7 ZR1. Adding the DRS aero and changing steel body panels for carbon fiber will probably cut off a few more secs. Matching or slightly quicker than the GT3 RS. Ford is going after the new GT3 RS therfore going after the current GT2 RS. Beings that those two cars currently have similar times on multiple tracks. Chevy on the other hand is directing the C8 ZR1 towards the new GT2 RS. If Chevy can cut 6 secs from the C7 Z06 to the C8 Z06 while adding only 20 hp, gaining 100 lbs and losing almost 200 lb-ft of tq. I expect at least 6 secs cut from the C7 ZR1 to the C8 ZR1 at lightning lap. Also note that the C8 Z06 weighs more than the C7 ZR1 has 85 less hp and 255 lb-ft of tq less than the C7 ZR1. Yet the C8 Z06 outpaced the C7 ZR1 by almost a sec at C&D LL. If transitioning the Corvette to a RMR platform layout allows performance gains the way it did. I fully expect the C8 ZR1 with an extra 309 hp and 113 lb-ft of tq to be more than 6 secs quicker than the C7 ZR1. 6 secs alone will put it quicker than the McLaren Senna. If it's not broken by the time the C8 ZR1 is released the ZR1 will take the crown as the quickest car around VIR. Therefore quicker than the new GT3 RS. That's my two cents.
the entire suspension is completely different than the gt500, basically everything is different except the chassis (which gets modified), engine block and doors.
@@blackberrythorns Yet it's still based off the S650 platform. Using the GT500 CFTP as a basis for performance makes reasonable sense. All they are really doing is bringing it up to par to C7 ZR1 performance. By changing out the suspension and changing steel components to aluminum. The C7 ZR1 was already capable of this kind performance. Adding the DRS and changing steel body panels to carbon fiber will likely bring it to GT3 RS levels of performance. Whereas the C8 Z06 was already to that point. Sure it's slower, but it's where Chevy has aimed the C8 Z06. Which is the GT3 RS as it's competitor. The ZR1 on the other hand has almost always been directed towards the GT2 RS. It doesn't make sense for Chevy to go after 2 secs at VIR with a massive power gain of over 300 hp. Especially when the jump from C7 Z06 to C8 Z06 yielded a 6 secs difference at VIR with a measly 20 hp gain and a loss of almost 200 lb-ft of tq. How much of a difference in time is an extra 309 hp and 113 lb-ft of tq is going to make compared to the C7 ZR1. My money is going to be the ZR1, Ford has stated as such that they are aiming the GTD at the new GT3 RS. Chevy has always aimed the ZR1 at the the GT2 RS. So money is on the ZR1.
@@99-Zulu Jim Farley and other Ford executives have specifically stated that the GTD is aimed at matching/beating the GT Black Series and GT2 RS MR times around the Nürburgring. Looking at the specs for the car, it makes sense why they'd say that. While the ZR1 will likely be faster than the Z06 around the Nürburgring, I can't imagine that it'll match or beat the GT Black Series or GT2 RS MR times. It simply doesn't have the chassis, suspension, and downforce to compete with those cars on a track with that many corners. I'm not quite sure why you were talking about VIR either. VIR isn't comparable to the Nürburgring in any real way. Sure, it's also a demanding track in some ways, but it isn't nearly as demanding as a track with the length and complexity of the Nordschleife.
@@CaseyCollier Farley never stated they were aiming for the GT2 RS MR. All the sources that I have read from Motor trend to Hagerty have only stated the GT2 RS. I find it laughable that people think a modified SUV platform with no carbon fiber structural components and only carbon fiber panels. Can achieve a sub 6:40 time at the Nurburgring but a corvette isnt capable doing the same feat. They have announced all the components that they are changing and none of the chassis components have been switch to carbon fiber. They have only been switch to aluminum and even then most of the chassis has retained the steel structure. So it's still going to be heavy. Heavier than the C7 ZR1 most likely. Probably as heavy as the C8 ZR1. As I stated Chevy is aiming for the new GT2 RS not the current GT2 RS. So even if Ford is aiming at the current GT2 RS the C8 ZR1 should exceed the performance of the current GT2 RS therefore exceeding the Mustang GTD.
@@99-Zulu The 992.2 GT2 RS hasn't even set a lap time at the Nordschleife yet. How is it that you're so confident the ZR1 will be competitive when we know almost nothing about the new GT2 RS? As for the GTD being based on a "modified SUV platform," I find your statement to be quite embellished and overdramatized. Both you and I know that the GTD is much more than just a modified SUV platform with some performance upgrades. It's a purpose-built track car that's been engineered and assembled by Multimatic, the company responsible for producing many class-winning race cars. They produced the latest generation Ford GT, the Le Mans winning Ford GT GTE PRO cars, the new Mustang GT3 cars which are currently running in endurance racing, and many more track and race cars.
I would bet my house that the ZR1 will beat the GTD. For a new ZR1. I mean the mustang isn't even in the same league. It's heavier for one thing. I just don't see it competing with the Z.
Ford could just pump up the HP to 1,200+. That engine is easily capable. It would be cool if on the track time run day video of the track run, it starts off with the driver inserting a key in the dash, turning it, which activates an additional 400HP and 1,000 RPM to redline. 😁
GT3 Pro supercars doesn't have a rear active aero wing .The ZR1's big aero wing ZTK package gives the downforce on the fast corners.The New C8 ZR1 is no joke.
the corvette has always been bred to handle this track and more I feel the Mustang will have more issues than anything else but it can be MADE to do better but don't feel the GTD is made for all that
the gtd is engineered and built by multimatic, they also partly manufacture and fully assemble the amg one. they make the porsche 963 chassis. the do engineering on the aston martin valkyrie pro. they engineered and built the gt that won le mans and all versions of the road cars. they build the gt4/gt3 race cars.
The track is basically ALL the GTD is made for. Its a low production road legal track car vs a track capable ģrand touring road car. The GTD is made to do 1 thing good and the zr1 is made to do everything good. Personally i dont think they will be far apart in time, mid to low 6:50s for both is my guess
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Ford and Chevy are talking right now to each other you can guarantee it. For ford to have an asking price of $325,000 and the chevy may just break over $200,000 mark for a well equipped version, Ford and Chevy both know the mustang has to put down a quicker lap time on the ring to justify its price point . My guess is they will come out and say the GTD beat the ZR1 on the ring but only by 10ths of a second . High 10ths !
The Corvette is faster, its speed is 375 km/h, and the Mustang is 325 km/h. The Corvette has 1064 horsepower, the Mustang has 800 horsepower. There is no comparison between them. 😂
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but the ZR1 has 345 Rear and 275 front tires. They are massive and trust me they stick although it may not be enough, considering the mustangs superior suspension
The thing is.... Chevy and G.M. only have ONE FOCUS. TO OUT DO FORD AT ANY COST AND NO MATTER HOW LATE. Think about it. Plus CORVETTE AND MUSTANG HAVE NEVER BEEN DIRECT COMPETITORS
didn't they say the ZR1 is actually less track oriented and softer than the Z06 and has less downforce? Or that's what I seem to remember. So I doubt it will be faster than the GTD whose only purpose is to be fast on a track
