Are Golf R Engine Internals Better than a GTI? 

thanks paul, cant wait for the next video in 3 months.

You're doing the Lord's work here.

So, basically adding 50-60 whp aka a typical stage 1 on a GTI shouldn’t negatively impact engine reliability much. Thanks for doing this!

FYI: The spring performace measuring device is a Boing-ometer.

Nice to see some of the differences side by side! Great content and thanks for the mention!

Enjoyable and soothing content over my morning coffee. Paul's voice is angelic 😂😂😂

Vag go to the effort of using forged rods, forged cranks and optimising the rest of the design. Then they fit it with a plastic sump and plastic waterpump housing.

Aside from the actual alloy of the cast (which I didn't expect), there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between GTI and R. Sure, the small differences can do something for long-term use and wear. But IMO nothing seems to crazy to see it as a "must have" upgrade over the GTI. Very interesting, and great video idea!

Great video man!! This is what real car enthousiasts want to see! VERY informative and exactly the things you want to see when checking the difference, all so clear now thanks again

Now do the 2.5l; VW vs Audi! Great vid!

Love the video and dispelling the theories and rhetoric. Good work Paul. We could do with more people like you in the world. Straight talking, problem solving. And when you don't know, you say so love it!!!😊

The quality of these videos is just so good! And Paul steady keeps me chuckling. Love you DAP 🎉

There’s absolutely no way Paul isn’t the funniest person on earth

I learned a thing today about forging. Thanks for that.

Really loving these more in depth/informational videos!

I was wondering this yesterday. It's like you read my mind, Paul.

This was a great idea for a video and very cool to see! Thank you for your time

I can't tell you how long I've waited for this video. Im so excited 😂😂😂

Great VW content. it's all in the details, and sometimes the interwebs are quick to talk without truth behind it.

Now do the same for the MK8, you have a gti and know w guy with a R. Lol

we needed this video. So might aswel get a GTI and slap a turbo on it. Differences are minor

Would be cool to get a Seat Leon Cupra engine 280-290 or 300 version and see the difference between all 3 engines since they run the same engine aswell

I've had a mk8 GTI over a year now and have bought a handful of parts from DAP and am not sure why I'm not subscribed to this channel. Well... now I am lol

Sold my GTI over 1 year ago but this kinda stuff is why I stay subscribed. Great breakdown!

That's a really good research, thanks a lot! Awesome stuff!

Thank you for doing this - fun to know about this and I always enjoy your videos.

Now I wonder what would be the difference, if any, with the Macan’s Ea888

i don't have any golf at all but thank you for these informations Paul, 🙂🙂

The quality of metals!

You didnt mention the differences in the piston rings, curious what you observe

Very interesting info here, about the intake cams, I'm wondering if the cam phasers maybe move a few more degrees on the GolfR, maybe but who knows for sure.

Came for the engine stayed for the memes

Epic video guys, thanks!

Very informative. Nice.

According to the VW parts catalog, Gen 3 Golf R connecting rods are the same part number as Gen 1/2 EA888 engines. GTI rods are the same as every other Gen 3.

The actuator for VVT in the intake cam for the R is what I think is the big price difference between the two. I would open those things up and see if they're different? Advancing and retarding the timing of the intake cam is important. IMO I'm just a Volvo guy who's first car was MK 2 GTi and still peeks over the fence at Audi/VW every now and then. Great video, very informative.

The extra duration on the exhaust lobe is to sacrifice a little efficiency at low load for an increase in exhaust gas to the turbo at higher load. In other words it helps response with that larger turbo but will likely use a little more fuel around town.

Excellent video mate. Do it in gens 4 (Evo 4) 245 vs 320 hp

Nooooo not the cast crank on the 1.8t Gen3 😫 Explains the torque limit being 340ftlbs(ish) but the limit on the 2.0ts being like 500 lolw

Really nice video👏🏼

perhaps the duration on the R cams is how they got away with not having to use secondary air due to "EGR" is done on the exhaust cam

Is it possible the Golf R cam is solid billet, as opposed to the pressed on lobes of the GTI cam? What would definitely make it more expensive, as the machining is more complex.

Those lines on the con rods are from them sheering the flash off not from the actual forging process. The flash is the material that squishes out of the forging dies at the sides.

I thought it was basically the same engine and that it was mainly electronically limited ... and then of course a difference in turbo and everything around.

Awesome video!

I’d love to see the differences between the later mk7.5 R and GTI or mk8 R and GTI… to see if there are internal differences with the GTIs calling for 508 0w20 while the Rs are still using the more traditional 504 0w30

Great video

Addition: Not all 1.8T's have cast cranks. And even if they do have one (for example early 1.8t's like AEB or AGU), they can take up to like 800-900hp with ease

Fascinating, I'm looking at either a 3rd gen Audi TT roadster which can be mapped to around 300hp or an S3 convertible which has 306bhp out of the box. As the 2l engine is mostly the same as the VW here I'm assuming now that the S3 is the better option as the engine is built to handle 300bhp long term

Now do a A3 vs S3!

Every part is practically interchangeable. The Golf R has “stronger” internals from the factory, but the weird thing is when both the GTI and Golf R’s engine’s are tuned to max capacity (meaning max power before the engine needs to be rebuilt), the capacity that’s reached is basically the same. 600hp/500tq is each engines threshold before needing to be rebuilt. So really, what’s the purpose of the Golf R’s “stronger” internals if it does nothing for the power or longevity of its motor? Lol. It’s just a talking point for Golf R owners lol.

A3 and GTi share the same motor right? Like the S3 and Golf R?

Such a good video!

He’s ready to explode as a global RU-vid sensation

I'm happy with my 2019 Golf R. I can't believe GTI's are made in MEXICO LOL! Punta Madre!!!

I hope you can make the same video for the MK8

makes sense why GTI models break more often compared to the R models,, thanks for this very valueable video

We love you Paul ❤

I thought they'd be even more identical than seen here just to keep supply chain/parts/assembly etc as simple as possible. I guess the cost of certain GTI parts are cheaper than R but It's surprising that difference merits using more than 1 part.

There is still one thing that i don’t understand- why does the launch control in both cars sound different? Like in the GTI is a continuous sound like “rrrrrrrrr”,while in the R is more like aggressive farting 😂 whoever knows what im talking about will understand me - you can even check sound clips. Why is that happening when the engines are the same?

thank you for the informative video.

Cool! Now what's the difference between golf R and audi s3 engine 😅

I just did pistons on a Audi 2.0TFSI flex Fual I’ve always wondered the difference in these engines. I knew they were very similar. The Audi flexfual head also does not have Secondary air And a larger injectors for the high flow ethanol. My engine Code is CPMB Question at what RPM does the variable Exhaust cam change?

great video

Want to see this deep dive comparison onnmk8 evo 4 gti vs R. Pluhhhheassseee. Your videos are addicting

Maybe one set of springs are stiffer than the other; and the camshaft with the splined lobes are paired with the stiffer springs?

Curious what the weight differences between the cams. Well, maybe for everything else too.

Great video! It it only the USA sold Gti's that have engine's made in Mexico or also the European ones?

Ah yes, the suck, squeeze, bang and blow

ShopDap doing all GTI owners a big favor here, as well as the entire internet. Now Golf R owners really don’t have that much to say regarding their engine.

Can we get a video just like this comparing the EA888 gen 3a vs 3b? Not sure if the US gets the 3b.

It would be interesting to see the difference if you'd just swap a Golf R exhaust cam onto a GTI. Probably just a very small improvement on turbo lag.

Spring K value is easy to calculate using a weights and a ruler…

outstanding video .

Ive got a problem with my mk6 gti I bought in May. The car has been amazing but one day the key was hard to turn, the ignition was stuck and due to my dumbass, I broke the key off in the ignition. I replaced the ignition and the key, the immobilizer wouldnt let me start the car. I then replaced the guts of the ignition and key with the originals, the car started but this is where my issue starts. When I put it into reverse or drive the dsg sounds like its slipping or whining and then it catches with a massive clunk. I ran the codes and it said that solenoid N216 had a short/open. I replaced that solenoid and the code went away, I continue to have the same issue though. I bought a ODB11 and tried doing the transmission tolerances. I finally got it to stop making the noise and went for a ride without any issues, as soon as I got home and put it in park - it started to do it again. Do I need to purchase a Rosstech device so I can do clutch adaptations? ODB11 wont allow me to run either adaptations, only tolerances. The DSG worked perfect for the drive and worked perfect previous to the ignition problem, would this correlate? I dont have anyone or any "Car friends" so Im stuck learning and doing everything myself. I have always had manual vehicles and this is my first auto....and Im pretty unhappy about this. I need help and would appreciate any advice or tips! Thanks in advance.

Good thing the valve wasn't sodium filled. Sodium spontaneously ignites upon contact with water or humid air.

What would this do for my regular Golf. If I were to do any mods the 1st thing I'd want is a better intercooler and even add an oil cooler to compensate for the extra heat my engine would likely make doing this stuff to it.

How long are 2017 R engines good for if well maintenaned? Have a 80k miles one and wondering how much further reliable motoring I have. Dsg 7 spd

What are the metal composition differences between petrol and diesel engines? Or is this a petrol engine only channel. Tear part a diesel pd190 engine for all your subscribers.

Can you say Golf R/TTS in the future? Thanks! Phil

If the difference is only ~80hp, there is no need for drastically different internals strength wise.

Good information

4:39 "You want this head?"

Paul, amazing information!!! When you do these, you need to be wearing a lab coat

I think the golf R engine also has thicker thrust washers

15:21 ayoooo 😂

If you want to compare two valve springs to see which is stronger, stack them end to end and put the pair on a vice and squeeze them against one another. The spring that compresses more is the weaker spring. You’re welcome.

If the cutout in the R pistons is bigger to enable a lower compression ratio does this make the engine capacity slightly larger?

Kid across street has a golf tdi and just got a newer type r.

How does the engine in the A4 TFSI Quattro compare? It's IS20 and 252hp.. sort of an interesting between engine.. is it more Golf R or more GTi 😅 I have a 2016 one 😅

My understanding is the 1.8t is also the same it just has a different bore/stroke

Thanks 😊👍👍👍

I want to buy something from SHOPDAP but I'm afraid Paul might answer the phone. What protections have been put in place to protect consumers?

Are the engine mounts the same on MK8 GTI and R?

What is the third engine in comparision of pistons and crank shaft? Because I could not understand this "one eighteen"? :)

I wonder if there is a difference between the GTI engine and a A3 engine, one would assume they would be the same.

I want this for MK8 🙂

Can you do one of these videos but only on a 1.4 tsi 140hp and compare it to the gti?

Same same

What’s the difference between EA888 gen 3 and evo 4?