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Navy Attempt: • Could A Modern US Carr...
Today we simulate a modern USAF fighter bomber air wing travelling back in time to 1940 to the Battle Of Dunkirk. Can they do a better job than the US Navy did in a previous War Game?
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@Jeffrey.1978 2 месяца назад

@grimreapers - Thanks for the video guys! Cap, I got a weird request, could you reenact the final attack mission (scene) of the movie Top Gun Maverick? I am sure there are aspects of it that you can't, but it would be fun to see what the Grim Reapers could come up with!

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-r6bc886E-4U.html

@Jeffrey.1978 2 месяца назад

@@grimreapers - Thanks Cap, I was thinking of the scene where you all would start on the carrier in F/A-18's and fly in formation through steep mountainous or valley terrain layered with SAMs and attack a target similarly like they did in the movie.

@roberticvs 2 месяца назад

I like how when you guys travel back in time, you take the orbital positioning satellites with you.

@neruil77 Месяц назад

I just asked that question also.

@Mr2greys Месяц назад

@@neruil77 Its been asked multiple times before by others, but hey if it makes you feel superior rather than just enjoying the video you be you. It says more about your personality than the video

@neruil77 Месяц назад

@@Mr2greys WTF.. where the hell, do you get I'm superior at? You on drugs? If you think, me asking a simple question is acting like I am superior, you have issues and you need a psychiatrists

@etherealbolweevil6268 Месяц назад

Just kids in the US imagining how great they are and showing the world what great tits they are.

@Markus117d Месяц назад

@Mr2greys It's a legitimate question, As it affects the way the GPS bombs could be used.. and as entertaining as it is, It doesn't do anything to answer the hypothetical situation. If the battle is won by weapons that would not work as effectively back then, Ie the sim should be re-run using non GPS bombs to see if the original derp changes anything much..

@ricbish4122 2 месяца назад

One thing the Sim cannot reproduce and model is the surprise and horror the Axis fighter would have felt when their wingmen were blowing up from an unknown missile or the shock at seeing fighters jets! I think they would have ran for their lives to regroup and figure out what was happening. Same with the ground forces!

@dexionsgamingcorner310 2 месяца назад

Would they even see the missiles? Wouldn't they just think the explosion was really well aimed Flak?

@tanksoldier 2 месяца назад

@@dexionsgamingcorner310 They might not realize it’s a missile, but they would also know it wasn’t typical AA

@superflyguy4488 2 месяца назад

Like everybody in 1940 would be fine with a blue hedgehog running down the street with fire coming from its feet.

@Sabrelynx. 2 месяца назад

I think the shock value would only last a couple of days. From a dogfight perspective a warbirds slow speed and maneuverability would eat a jet alive. Granted of the jet doesn't want to be engaged, it would just run off and the warbird would never catch it.

@exAirMover 2 месяца назад

And just the max afterburner "show of force" low pass over the German ground forces would have made them halt!

@hanrockabrand95 2 месяца назад

Simba: "Anything you can do, I can do BRRRRRRRTer."

@tacobruisedays 2 месяца назад

Every one of these "modern solutions to historical problems" scenarios makes me think of the 1980 movie "The Final Countdown".

@vonsmutt4254 2 месяца назад

I'd loved that movie when I was a kid and I've always loved the F-14

@DJVIIIMan 2 месяца назад

I'm pretty sure that movie was the inspiration for all of this.

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 2 месяца назад

I really hate that movie because the creators chickened out and did not show the real action. I understand, budgets and stuff, bit that sucks. Have to make do with gr and books like the Kirov series, there's lots of anachronistic action there (though it gets too convoluted and silly the further you go in the series).

@thedyingmeme6 Месяц назад

I havent seen TFC but from YT comments i find randomly it sounds pretty good

@BoraHorzaGobuchul Месяц назад

@@thedyingmeme6 it is, mainly due to the real carrier and the real planes they got to play with

@grav4315 2 месяца назад

In life three things are guaranteed. 1. Death 2. Taxes 3. Dark shooting blues

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

lol

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 2 месяца назад

That's why they call him Dark I suppose )

@Kaelland 2 месяца назад

Cap: *chooses F-16 even though F-15E is available* Cap 5 seconds later: "Why am I out of fuel?"

@EeekiE 2 месяца назад

I’ve been subbed just long enough to know that it’s not a GR video if Cap hasn’t miscalculated or forgotten how to operate the aircraft he chose. I’d be mildly disappointed if it all went to plan and without a hitch.

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

lols you got me!

@Sabrelynx. 2 месяца назад

@@EeekiE Those days are scary.

@joshuaanderson4090 Месяц назад

And why transit so,close to the ground anyway? But that’s part of the fun. I know it’s hard to,play, film, and provide commentary

@komradkolonel 2 месяца назад

Bring in the AC-130s at night. I can just imagine the reaction of disbelief when the reports of these fighter jets being used got to Hitler and Goering.

@jrussell5243 Месяц назад

They're neither jets nor fighters.

@thedyingmeme6 29 дней назад

Bruh AC130's arent fighters (Attack-Cargo craft) nor are they JETS (they use turboprop/turboshaft engines)

@steveo601 24 дня назад

Was just at the US Airforce National Museum in Dayton and they have a puff the magic dragon there. You would not want to be on the ground facing the dipped wing side of that plane😆😳😳😬🫣

@hanrockabrand95 2 месяца назад

41:49 Technically, in your navy version, you only lost 4 aircraft during combat. The remaining three were lost during (edit: carrier mishaps. One launch failure and two landing failures at the very end)

@seangfoster1974 2 месяца назад

Yes, but none of the USAF aircraft were lost in combat. They were all friendly fire or crash-landing.

@hanrockabrand95 2 месяца назад

@seangfoster1974 Friendly fire doesn't count as lost in combat? The navy losses were: 1. Cap's self-imposed maneuver kill 2. Friendly fire. 3. Unknown. 4. Catapult launch failure. 5. Cap lost fuel just short of the carrier. 6. Carrier landing. 7. Carrier landing. The air force losses were: 1. Friendly fire. 2. Bad spawn position. 3. Some crash? 4. Friendly fire. 5. I think the A-10 was taken out by enemy fire. 6. Unknown. 7. Cap ran out of fuel almost the same distance from the runway as he was from the carrier when he had to ditch there. 😂

@panzerabwerkanone 2 месяца назад

@@hanrockabrand95 I'm a witness! Defective wiring on Cap's F-16 caused spontaneous detonation of all his stores!

@Sabrelynx. 2 месяца назад

@@hanrockabrand95 6 was friendly fire.

@FriedPi-mc5yt 2 месяца назад

“Help!” - Fly I’m glad I wasn’t expecting an incident free video with Fly.

@Doodelz02 2 месяца назад

I dunno ... seemed pretty ... SUPER-FLY this mission!

@seangfoster1974 2 месяца назад

Don't forget to account for cost: Navy was more than $1 billion but USAF was just over $600 million (until that very last landing/crash). So USAF did better in that regard.

@AEFisch 2 месяца назад

B1b @ 40k_ft (service ceiling 60k), untouchable. - Zero's R fragile, A10's aren't that vulnerable (put a couple of sidewinders??? ). -F16 & A10's full of mavericks (forget guns) -f15s loaded with sidewinders for cover (don't dogfight, 10 mile range).

@arakuss1 2 месяца назад

I really don't think they are using the A-10 to its best ability. Also there is no coordinated strikes and sorties. its just fly up and shoot things. This is not how one would say how A would do against B.

@jadefalcon001 2 месяца назад

Jesus, watching that 105 site get mauled by the cluster bomb is scary as hell. What a terrifying weapon for people on the ground.

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

They are banned in the UK, we are not allowed cluster weapons.

@BobTheHappyDinosaur Месяц назад

@@grimreapers USA can spot you a few. Will trade for quality cheese.

@ronaldmcreagann6343 Месяц назад

@@BobTheHappyDinosaurC H E E S E

@samuraidriver4x4 Месяц назад

There wasn't a Geneva suggestion around in WW2 so cluster bombs are a valid tactic. It's not a war crime if you are the first to do it right?

@MrSJPowell Месяц назад

@@samuraidriver4x4 Cluster munitions aren't banned by Geneva. Just restricted due to treaty by most countries, and heavily disliked due to high dud rates.

@eaches 2 месяца назад

Zero fuel is actually just another aspect of Cap's patented "Bollocks Maneuver".

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

yes

@Four9sFineJewelry 2 месяца назад

Nice Fly!!! Great death star run.

@Wolfyjinny Месяц назад

Can you imagine a brace of F22's just flying 100 feet above the battlefield at 1500 mph, that would be enough to scare the B-Jesus out of the Axis

@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 2 месяца назад

I have not yet watched this video. That said, the video thumbnail image is *GREAT!!*

@zipp4everyone263 2 месяца назад

27:50 Cap casually calling Germans coldblooded reptilians... And he got away with it :P

@Persuasian338 2 месяца назад

Thank you for the constant content. Makes my dead time bearable.

@tanksoldier 2 месяца назад

The main reason for your high friendly fire is the lack of combat controllers to deconflict.

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

Yarp

@daniellemmon7793 2 месяца назад

Hello Reapers, I'm a huge fan of your channel and I particularly enjoy your WWII scenarios. So much in fact that I found a mission just for you. In 1944, Jimmy Doolittle launched an airstrike, code named Operation Thunderbolt, on the German super fortress, Fort Driant, with P47s. The mission was to destroy the fort, but they were unsuccessful. Later the fort was placed under siege by General Pattons forces until its eventual Surrender. Today, the fortress still stands. My question is, what WWII era weapons would the Grim Reapers choose and, also, what would it take using today's technology to destroy such a behemoth? I would really love to see you guys run this scenario in gameplay on DCS. Anyway, thank you for the videos and I'll be looking forward to more WWII scenarios.

@chrisstopher2277 2 месяца назад

19:00 Fly is hilarious man. "I lost one engine but im ok with that" Cap-"Friendy fire is going to ruin our efficiency. The editing and filming was top notch like always.

@roust0802 2 месяца назад

37:44 I was informed today by a former F-22/F-15 repair crew chief that the F-16 is referred to as a "lawn dart" because it lacks redundant systems it noses for the ground.

@thedyingmeme6 29 дней назад

The f16 is also designed to be aerodynamically unstable (they have computers to deal with it tho) "Slimy, yet satisfying."

@LKN117 Месяц назад

I guess the War Thunder meme of "Teammates are just enemies in blue." is a universal term.

@susanmontgomery7121 2 месяца назад

@19:28 It's a good thing you're not doing naval sims: "If you're not lucky, we can't use you." - Captain Ron Wiltsie, USN

@mirthenary 2 месяца назад

I was looking at the engines of the B1 in the thumbnail and looking at my model hanging above my head ...and something ain't right🤨

@zenomorphick3189 Месяц назад

The thumbnail, it’s AI generated! Impossible!

@dcijams 2 месяца назад

Blue Angles here in Vero Beach, Florida this week. they are buzzing my house right now.

@nickjoy8868 2 месяца назад

This was, as ever, highly entertaining thanks guys. BUT - US fighting in Europe prior to 1942? No no no no no!! We need the definitive edition of this mission featuring only the RN and RAF, so Typhoons, Harriers, Tornados & Jaguars please Cap!!

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

hmmm will try.

@Sabrelynx. 2 месяца назад

@@grimreapers Does this mean I need to learn the Typhoon?

@obi-ron Месяц назад

Hunters and Lightnings F4s would suffice for Dunkirk. Supermodern stuff is overkill.

@edwardhugus2772 2 месяца назад

I think the best combo would be Navy fires missiles at Warbirds, B1s for the bunkers, Mix of Air Force Navy for soft targets, troops, tanks, etc.

@DR-jq9bg 2 месяца назад

Nicely done by all!

@Persuasian338 2 месяца назад

Now, navy and airforce joint operation, with the marines on a rescue mission.

@eq1373 2 месяца назад

And yet Army was actually there

@WilliamStreiff 22 дня назад

You guys are the best out there at what you do

@andrewmorris483 2 месяца назад

19:19 "I'm in Danger" Ralph Wiggum

@ancienttelligence5161 2 месяца назад

Dark has a better blue on blue ratio than blue on red haha

@pfrancescutti 2 месяца назад

That thumbnail! Epic.

@eaches 2 месяца назад

Old Navy guy here. I heard that comment, Cap. I'm pointing the knife hand *directly at you*. You can feel it, can't you? 😉

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

lol run away!

@ForestBlue7 2 месяца назад

Atta boy Fly! That looked awesome!

@timblack6422 2 месяца назад

It’s a GREAT DAY!

@superflyguy4488 2 месяца назад

As i flicked on the kettle i was saying to my dog Gary, "Hey Gary, i wonder if a non nation specific Bomber Air Wing could have changed the course of events in say a famous World War Two battle". And what do you know, those Reaper chaps have done just that.

@panzerabwerkanone 2 месяца назад

My pet snail is named Gary

@larswilms8275 2 месяца назад

I had the exact same conversation with my hamster. Small world, isn't it.

@brian_sipe 2 месяца назад

Just remember, it's only a problem to talk to your pets when they start to talk back, and give you really interesting ideas.

@superflyguy4488 2 месяца назад

@@brian_sipe its only a problem when I don't actually have a dog

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

Look at us basically having the same brain...

@dust6635 2 месяца назад

fun idea Cap same mission but everyone gets to pick their favorite Aircraft to fly see how that matches up

@surferdude4487 2 месяца назад

That was entertaining.

@kingkongkungkwang 17 дней назад

Plot twist: all the recorded UFO sightings from ancient times are these guys time traveling unknowingly.

@zacharyramsli8002 Месяц назад

Those CBUs are awesome.

@JeredtheShy Месяц назад

My favorite is the guy trying to say Fokkerwulf all the time because he always sounds like he's being a pottymouth but he ain't. I thought he called something unfuckable for a second.

@jimmymcgoochie5363 2 месяца назад

The irony of the A-10 being the victim of friendly fire, for once…

@kernowchris 2 месяца назад

Fun, but more jeopardy!

@wendyharbon7290 2 месяца назад

What about trying this with a joint RAF Typhoons and F-35's Air Wing, along with a Royal Navy Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers plus three Type 45 Destroyers and three new Type 26 Frigates too, with FAA F-35B's and AAC Ah-1E's Gunnership's as well, Wining The Battle Of Dunkirk too?

@ronbigelow8984 2 месяца назад

Concerning the previous video: What if you ran the same scenario using .50cal/20mm P-38 Lightning and/or 20 or 30mm canon in the Mosquito? Both were fielded in the European theater in those configurations, and both have a single, forward field of fire?

@whousley 2 месяца назад

Cluster munitions...when everything in a square mile area must die.

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

Yarp

@timblack6422 2 месяца назад

Of course!

@skatman3278 2 месяца назад

The thumbnail for this video was a bloody work of art. Cap - if you see this, any chance you can make it available in 4k and 3840x1600 for download?

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

We actually got AI to make it for us. Sure.

@johntc8840 Месяц назад

When GR wants to do a serious simulation, but the rest of his squad wants to have a good time. 🤣

@albertomercade5572 2 месяца назад

Hello! May I suggest to do this same exercise, but of all of you using the Community A4-E for bombing and intercept? Just put it in to make it a bit more "balanced". The 50's-60s' technology would make it as good as modern tech would do?. Thanks for the great videos and tutorials.

@PatrickLathrop Месяц назад

@grimreapers cap i love the content. i got an idea how about building a mission to show which country has the best tank killer setup when it comes to planes

@HT-Blindleader 2 месяца назад

Great video. Now we demand combined Navy carrier strike force and Air Force joint operation. ALSO Space Force, they can be cheerleaders.

@teacher555555 Месяц назад

watching both videos. the CPU took a more active role in the last video which allowed for more targets to be destroyed because it didnt have to verify a target was gone, it would already know and choose another. also the fact that you had to respawn at an airfield farther away from the targets meant more time wasted which lead to the end results.

@williamcashman3655 2 месяца назад

While I enjoyed the Navy option more (USS Saratoga in the late 80's) really enjoying your Air Force version.

@Slikx666 2 месяца назад

Cap, sir. If you have time could you please do a video about how you make a mission. Since I sent you the idea for that mission I've been thinking about how much I don't know about DCS. I think it might help anyone who has an idea in the future. ✋😀

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

Enjoy: ru-vid.com/group/PL3kOAM2N1YJdFQl4vNo5CMcv7PrSHpreS

@Slikx666 2 месяца назад

@@grimreapers Thank you. 😀👍

@wulfwalker2514 2 месяца назад

Go Navy!!!

@NormanPrather 13 дней назад

Caught you complaining about a lucky cannot hit on your F-16. Long ago, 1987, I was near Luuq Somalia. The Oromo Liberation Front had a farm just upstream from the refugee camps. They asked me to visit and review their irrigation system. I noticed they were using parts from a MiG fuselage as a splash pad. During the Ethiopian Somali war, a pair of MiG's took a run at the Luuq bridge. One was shot down by the WWII style anti-aircraft cannon of the Somali Army. I could see the hole punched just behind the cockpit. I assume they targeted the lead aircraft and the second ran into the shell.

@papat7435 2 месяца назад

You guys are amazing. One more inept than the next. If you want to do things right, why don't you plan anything?

@cousinjack2841 2 месяца назад

Where's Damp?

@whousley 2 месяца назад

The Navy has cluster weapons. It is an optional warhead on the Tomahawk missile.

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

Are they sensor fused thought? I thought only USAF has these sensor fused versions that are so damaging.

@user-tq7ks2xu1c 20 дней назад

No they don't have that option at all where are you getting this info from tomahawks are a point detonation warhead

@nath-hh2ff 2 месяца назад

The aaa is absurdity accurate. Its a big issue on ww2 missions imo. Goid video though.

@Tinman253 Месяц назад

Yes the psychological effects of bvr combat and planes moving at mach 1 would lead to panic.

@ryanlowe6753 2 месяца назад

I got a B-Oner

@brian_sipe 2 месяца назад

I'm pretty sure when they crash, you have to call them a "Good German." aaand demonetized.

@ianwilliam545 2 месяца назад

My suggestion organise one player to be the target selector and load organiser

@NthgToFear Месяц назад

It's like a sequel to Final Countdown.

@mattbunker8563 2 месяца назад

I kinda want to see them use a sky warden just to see how effective they could be

@jean-lucpicard5510 15 дней назад

15:43 German guy cracks me up sometimes. 😅

@GotAerialllc 2 месяца назад

Can america defend itself from an attack from the north and south with missle attacks from the east and west?

@Kevin-hb7yq 2 месяца назад

Canada has those two squadrons of American Bomarc missiles... 🤔

@ch-53esuperstallion76 2 месяца назад

Defend from north and south with missile coming from east and west?

@wombatgirl997 2 месяца назад

Actually yes please! I would love to see a re-enactment of the old school board game "Fortress America" where the US simultaneously came under attack by the Soviets from the East, the South American Alliance from the South, and the Pan Asian Collective from the West. Unfortunately I bet that would melt any server they tried to play it on. It might make a fun campaign though.

@GotAerialllc 2 месяца назад

@@ch-53esuperstallion76 missles coming from the seas.. naval assult from the pacific and Atlantic

@WilliamStreiff 22 дня назад

It's like watching Monty Python seeing you gent's land 🤣🤣🫠🫠🫠🫠😁👍

@WiltshireWondering 2 месяца назад

I'm guessing that NCIS made you rig this one.

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

NCIS ain't got nuffin on me.

@kevincameron8437 Месяц назад

What would happen if you had JSTARs linking the AA targets to the F-15Es? And the F-15C/F-16 running CAP for the airborne threats until they are eliminated then the A-10s come in for the rest of the ground targets and then the rest of the fleet convert to air to ground?

@norsia1946 15 дней назад

using GPS bombs is an interesting choice, since it implies there are satellites in this timeline too.

@mcdonnell761 Месяц назад

Would love to see what the B52s can do in that situation. Complete grid square removal.

@rocktechinc 27 дней назад

In the spirit of going back in time. I’ve always pondered If 4 squadrons of Grumman A6E Intruders went back in time to WW2 and were stationed in England. With a squadron of KA6D tankers. Would they be able to bomb Berlin? Intruders flying at tree top level, 18,000 pounds of ordinance per plane over Europe.

@Dragon4eva Месяц назад

Wonder what an AC130 would have been able to do as well

@Kevin-hb7yq 2 месяца назад

I'm just wondering, would the radar of the day be setting off the alarms in the advanced aircraft?

@Hot1765 2 месяца назад

Next should be how many nukes can we use to win the battle

@50Stone 18 дней назад

I've seen a bunch of these what ifs and sure the shear destructive power would be overwhelming but what about day 2, back then was there compatible fuel, also ground power for engine start, would it be available? how about the runways, are they robust enough to handle a B1 fully loaded and long enough? Replacement weapons, were bombs back then compatible with the modern shackle arrangements, also what about the drop characteristics of older bombs. This'll win any battle but Logistics wins Wars.

@michaelthompson8504 Месяц назад

you have advanced radar guided gun sights and still use missiles. that really blows my mind. just strap on a bunch of cannons.

@John_SlideRule_Bullay 2 месяца назад

Follow-up video - "How does GR bring back GPS satellites and place them into orbit prior to launching a "What If" mission with modern kit." NASA surely must be involved with the whole time-warp space-time continuum field generation. We all know Cap didn't do well in Astrophysics and Quantum Mechanics in primary school 🤣🤣 Fun mission boyz!! Video Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army 🚁

@Chuck_Stick 2 месяца назад

Fly Army? Been to Cairns AAF? USAACE ftw!

@John_SlideRule_Bullay 2 месяца назад

@@Chuck_Stick AvMC Brother. And it should have stayed Fort RUCKER! (not your fault of course) HOOAH!

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

All of these weapons work without GPS. It is assumed that China is going to jam all GPS during a battle, so these weapons and aircraft revert from EGI to INS guidance.

@Aussie6490_gaming 2 месяца назад

That thumbnail is BADASS

@roberticvs 2 месяца назад

Agreed. Need wallpaper version.

@caliado Месяц назад

Needs more Rapid Dragon

@ShovelMonkey 2 месяца назад

You cannot use the JDAM with it's GPS guidance if you don't have the satellites and necessary infrastructure. It was just the carrier group brought back in time, so they should not have had GPS either. You'd better include the B-ONE-R in the re-make of this.

@DirtyHairy1 2 месяца назад

lol thats one LOOONG boat in the AI generated thumbnail :)

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

lol yeh I had to do a lot of MS paint corrections.

@meanman6992 2 месяца назад

Was the navy battle peak 70-80s battle ships? I’d think their main guns/cannons could beat up a lot!

@neruil77 Месяц назад

Question, how would the GPS bomb's work? Since there no satellite in 1940's.

@bloviatormaximus1766 2 месяца назад

could an Airwing preempt the invasions of both Holland and Belgium just smashing Luftwaffe aerodromes?

@TheHoneyThief 2 месяца назад

The one issue I have with all of this is that in the 1940s there were no GPS satellites, so anything GPS related such as bomb guidance wouldn't work. The boys toys would be meaner, but not necessarily smarter.

@painmt651 Месяц назад

Shoot man, a couple of a C1 30s probably could have swung the battle

@phoenixx5092 Месяц назад

keep in mind for the cost of one of those jets, the Luftwaffe could have likely built about 120 fokkers...

@kwisatzsawyer 2 месяца назад

lol, it was nice of us to bring the GPS constellation into 1940...

@grimreapers 2 месяца назад

All of these weapons work without GPS. It is assumed that China is going to jam all GPS during a battle, so these weapons and aircraft revert from EGI to INS guidance.

@kwisatzsawyer 2 месяца назад

Good thing INS drift isn't a thing then.

@MrEricmopar 22 дня назад

I would think, that once the German columns and staging areas were found, that cluster bombs alone would have wiped them out. Not to mention precision hits on armor.