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Tbh, i do really want to see it. But i don't think it would possible, why? Because the 10 rings is the gift from God himself for Solomon. Meaning if you ever try to steal it or usurp it, then God will have you destroy if you did. (Tho, i'm not saying it is impossible, but just not worth it on my opinion)
When Nasu mentioned that Berserker was Herc's weakest version, I thought he meant he would be able to focus all of his energy more eficiently in other forms. Not that he would go and tell Grand Servants to move aside.
y'know, I don't know if alcides could steal all the grandservant's noble phantasms. Or at least be able to make use of them. First hassan's noble phantasm doesn't actually do much when you look at it, it only really has use on people the world and/or counterforce says needs to die. And super orion's isn't exactly a good one either as it is the pressure of a god that he just sorta got used to and has grown stronger from. And I don't think he can steal the love of artemis for... a few reasons. I don't know enough about solomon's np off the top of my head to comment on it. Merlin isn't actually a servant and even then, his NP is a prison, not a weapon/spell. Romulus'... maybe. And that's all I know. p.s. qin shi huang technically has a container similar to a grand servant, so I'll include him here. His noble phantasm is based on how large and populated his "territory" is, so it would depend. If this counted as modern day greece, pretty strong. If counted as his allies in the war, weak. If counted as those who follow his lead, I don't think it would have much to any power.
@@Wattiwa Azrael doesn't need the counterforce to work. He can use it on whatever he wants like the time he used it to destroy the Three Goddess Alliance pact from Ersh
We might be seeing beast Enkidu, watcher Gilgamesh soon. The volume 9 novel, there is some info on Gilgamesh, it’s Gilgamesh from an alternate world or timeline, which ended up in Gilgamesh current body. This Gilgamesh became the pinnacle of humanity and raised the humans into gods, which he single handily defeated the gods and made his own heaven and earth. The magic running through his body is purely human magic but it’s so tremendous, just him waking up made everyone in the war stop to see where the energy is coming from especially Enkidu who recognized this magic but he’s not sure if Gilgamesh will remember him, since this alternate world Gilgamesh never met Enkidu. Gilgamesh alter is in the body sub adult Gilgamesh, or middle - late teens. Even though it’s not the same Gilgamesh, with his eyes gilgamesh saw every events that’s been happening like Alcides taking down the bull’s core etc, and he sees no problem with dealing with any of them.
@@GnosisZX The heaven and earth were originally one, in this alternate world or timeline gilgamesh abandoned all his diving and battled the gods, after he seemingly won he made the world into 2
There is no such thing as alter Gilgamesh. new Gilgamesh is Alter Ego, not watcher. He is same old Gilgamesh, but he became a teenager because Tine used a little of the elixir of youth on him, and he lost his divinity because of what Ishtar did in the fifth volume. We know that Enkidu and Gilgamesh met when Gilgamesh was an adult, so Enkidu not meeting the teenage Gilgamesh makes sense. I know it's just leaks so far, but I think the new Gilgamesh is weaker than the previous Gilgamesh because he lost his Divine and he has not used Ea or the Chains of Heaven yet. New Gil is just more serious
@@E0ns From the info we have you are incorrect, this Gilgamesh’s soul is a different one, not the one we know from strange fake well the Gil that was originally summoned, this soul is Gilgamesh from a alternate world or timeline, which ended up in kur, which than he was yanked into his current body. We do know this Gilgamesh is completely different, if you read the strange fake volume 9 partially translated pdf, it outright stated this Gilgamesh abandoned all of his divinity and battled the gods, I can give you the link to the pdf if you want, it’s not a leak but a translation. This Gilgamesh through his eyes understand every event that has transpired. We still don’t know exact circumstances but people say it’s pretty similar to a losbelt forbidden or rigged timeline sort of situation, Alcides also turns into typhon or something like that after he took the bulls core
So if Gilgamesh only pulls Ea in very specific cases, was him pulling and using Ea out of sheer respect for Alexanders divinity or because Alexander was actually a threat.
Probably a mix of respect and an acknowledgement that Alexander the great (domain Expansion) Reality Marble needs a weapon like Ea to directly fight the reality marble itself (combine that with the fact that they've both agreed on Saber having made mistakes and I think he clearly has some level of respect for him as a king above Any Respect for Him as a god (divinity)
I wonder how strong alcides is compared to prime heracles? Herc was supposedly around Ares (divine spirit) level when he was finishing up his trials. If prime Herc is still stronger, than it really puts into perspective how OP the greek gods actually were
I don't know if you've played fgo, plan to play fgo, or hat fgo with a passion, but (and there is a spoiler in this next bit): Yeah, the greek gods are op as fuck. On the weaker end, a damaged god could still destroy islands with the flick of their wrists, and at their strongest they could wipe out armies of servants with more or less just a thought, before bringing them back to life within the same thought. Even scaling down from the stupidity that is what happens in the game's story, Zeus should be able to wipe out even the strongest of servants with a single lightning bolt.
@Wattiwa now imagine how absurd someone like Typhon is, since he defeated all of the Machine Gods and couldn't even be actually destroyed, only sealed away in a weaker form.
And this is why Nasu would never release a servant that could just "joink" your servants NP and power up/absorb it as if they are Majin Buu... Not without a severe limitation. If something like this would be possible, it would have been done or at least tried before.
@@Drake_anitawe still don’t know yet cause the chapter ended with alter ego Gilgamesh’s appearance, but we speculate that he will not be able to use EA this version would pretty much be like fushiguru toji since alter ego Gilgamesh will be 100% human and not arrogant he will be perfect in hand to hand combat
Soo is alcides a beast/beast candidate? As he meets the idea for it, begging both a threat to and backer of huimanity. He is also strong enough as show by strange fake. So could acikses be a beast/beast candidate? Like Merlin, Draco and tia?
Not really, but to not let you down. I'd say it could be a situation like Super Orion where since he was the only one around and became so powerul he automatically qualified as Grand archer but only for a short time though. So Alcides might become a beast canidate but it wouldn't last that long. 😊
I’m up on the manga for strange fake but clearly that’s not enough. I gotta find a way to read these volumes because I didn’t know Gil got handled and revived.
There are two weak servants, Fake caster would be the weakest because he is not a combat servant, the watcher servant can't actually fight and true lancer could be the weakest since they are not a servant yet
From a literature standpoint, probably not. But Narita's writing can get a little fanfic-like so technically he could. The only way it wouldn't work if Ea itself won't recognize anyone other than Gilgamesh. For example, even if Alcides somehow steals Gate of Bablyon he can't use it because only Gil knows how to use the Vault.
correct me if im wrong but it feels like at least to me Alcidies is approaching beast levels of strong possible grand summoning?(keep in mind im super behind on light novelso i could be spoutinf dumb stuff)
Actually yeah he is, to point some of the characters or the story itself are comparing him to Typhon. Also the writer himself likes to go crazy with it so I doubt he'd put a limit like grand or ruler for all the chaos that going on. Rather it's most likely he's gonna make Alcides get jumped or sealed. 😂
I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the guy writing S/F did something like this. He's got a thing for silly power creep in a lot of his novels, CFYOW in Bleach is his work, for example.
Technically, the idea for taking someone’s NP was David’s originally. I remember reading somewhere that the idea was for Archer David’s NP to hit whoever he targeted, incapacitating them, and taking a random NP. It was the idea because that’s how David killed Goliath. After using his sling to take him down, David took Goliath’s sword and cut his head off with it. So, it’s been floating around, but I guess they gave it to Alcides.
I think there might be some NPs that he couldn't steal, namely shit that is usable because of a factor of someone's existence, I don't think we'll ever be able to see him try, but he probably won't be able to pull shit like stealing Lie Like Vortigern or Mahaprayala, because that shit is only usable because the user's condition, Alcides isn't the Insect of the Abyss or a composite Hindu Deity, and I don't even see conceptual usurpation being able to pull that off, moreover, I also don't see him being able to steal shit from servant's like Tezcatlipoca or BB, as their abilities outside of their NP would nullify it, Tez could prolly Black Sun the event, and for BB, Potnia Theron, I don't need to say much more, also, it sort of seems like Reincarnation uses the grail mud, meaning that possibly if the grail can't affect someone, he can't usurp them, but that's my theory
4:08 😂 I remember laughing when I first saw this part. Shirou was like WTF is that?! 🤣 Man's was spooked, he couldn't understand or even draw a comparison to what he was seeing. I love that Gil has something so unique, that it can't even be mimicked 😎
Ok now hear me out what happens if alcides steals the powers of the horse man of the apocalypse he'd be even more op also forgot but he could also boost himself more with the war gods sash
Apologies if this doesn't sound right but Gilgamesh called EA his alter ego, would that be a possible statement that he would still have EA as an alter?
Yo. I watched your video on how to install the fate novel. I just want to know how you get to the other routes(unlimited blade, & Heaven's feel). Do you unlock them after the Saber Route?
It’s crazy to consider that Herakles (Berserker) is his weakest form. And that’s because he’s just stuck in his rage mentality when going into battle. So just seeing the fact that Herakles with wiggle room to think can be this much of a beast is crazy.
Not really, the only one who can manage Ea perfectly is Gilgamesh. However, Alcides lost his chance because apparently Alter Ego Gilgamesh does not have Ea
