Sekiro states that the eternal dragon came from the west. Elden ring (being medieval European themed) would be to the west and it may be possible that the dragon god who fled from the lands between (placidusax’s consort) is the one who plagues the lands of Sekiro. I also find it interesting that the eternal dragon brings “dragon rot” to the lands of Ashina
I believe all the games give a hint to the ties of all the games. The fire keeper in DS3 even said should we choose not to light the flame, eventually someone would come along and do it. The Souls Saga at this point probably does have a definite timeline (IMO), with Bloodborne being the last in line. You could say this is literally....a tale of souls and swords, eternally retold.
You know it always was interesting to me that one ending in Demon’s Souls had the Eldritch entity of a last boss consume the world in mist, and then Dark Souls began as a world consumed by mist, and then Bloodborne set technologically after a medieval age in a more Victorian setting had a land overcome by the blood of an Eldritch entity……..
Oh, there's a lot more than that. The Old One consumes all the souls. The old one looks like a bunch of kindling. There's a very good chance that the Old One is the first flame. Someone (a certain pyromancer with a known MO for making copies of first flames) set it on fire and presto, all the souls in the world can now be accessed. Byond even that, the Old One looks like an Ulcerated Tree Spirit on Steroids. There are roughly a million ways you could transition Elden Ring into Demon's Souls that make perfect sense
Sorry about that, swapped keyboards, meant to say that all of these connections between the games are really interesting and I'm surprised I haven't found out about any of them until now
i feel like most "links" we find in the games are just simple references but its still cool to think about. but i do hope we one day get a Fromsoft super smash bros IMO
Just off the top of my head, Bloodborne can be explained simply with the Eldritch Truth and Oedon. The Eldritch Truth IS the ultimate truth that the world of Bloodborne is a painted world, which is why so many dreamworlds exist- and they exist because countless beings have either partially or truly ascended into great ones; the ultimate great one being Oedeon, the formless great one who shares communion of blood, who Mohg knows as the FORMLESS MOTHER (great ones have no definitive sex because they're multidimensional beings that transend the plane of existence) of BLOOD. The moonlight greatsword is the other constant because they all have something to do with the infinity and guidance of the cosmos. I could go on for hours about this
Imagine The end of Fia's Quest line but instead of birthing a god she birth a new dream realm powerd by said god inside her the it translate to the dream world like the pregnant queen in bloodborne and the dead eldrich child/god in nature with death root plauge on the side.
Bro, very interesting. And since the nightmares are technically layered one on top of the other, the painting would probably look like Hieronymus Bosch's "Garden of Earthly Delights"
IMO, the worlds of Fromsoft games have the same... Origin. They all have the same, primordial essence, the Prima Materia. So in Darksouls, this Prima Materia is found by Gwyn. He uses it and forms a world based around Fire. In Elden Ring we see the same thing. A prima materia, being controlled by a god. And they set the rules for the world. The Order. The god decide what is and isn't going to be part of the world. (I assume with the blessings of the two fingers) You dont want it to rain? Take the Rain Rune out of the Elden Ring. You don't want your giant tree to burn? Leave the Rune of Fire with the Fire Giants. You dont want to die? (Or rather you don't want your son to die) Well actually, see that part of the Ring holds the rest together so you cant just *shatter* you cant just take out death without breaking the whole thing.... Damn it Marika...
Wait what? Stealing the rune of death isn't what shattered the Elden Ring. Marika decided to shatter it after Ranni stole the rune You can take out the death, The Greater Will allows the current god to do whatever they please with the order. The souls of dead people returned to the Erdtree roots to be reborn again
Love it. My addition: after the Frenzied Flame burns the Erd Tree and all the life it sustained away, all it leaves behind in the Lands Between is Darkness, the Frenzied Flame, the giant soul of the Lord of Frenzied Flame and the soul of Melina, who brings the Freny Lord Destined Death as promised. The Abyss originates from Godwyn, whose absence of soul is the Dark Soul. Find the source of the third Lord Soul!
the only issue here is that we basically know what came pre Dark Souls. Demon's Souls was killed off by Sony so the bad ending is canonical. In the bad ending the Old One devours all the souls and rests while the world is consumed by mist. The old one looks like kindling and it's filled to the brim with souls and it enveloped the world in mist. If we can make the assumption that the Witch of Izalyth was a pyromancer even before getting a Lord's soul, it's pretty easy to see that she set the Old One on fire and this created the First Flame. Not only does the story fit pretty well, it's also a well known fact that Demon's Souls is the spiritual predecessor of Dark Souls and its hardly a stretch to think that Dark Souls was supposed to be an actual sequel that had it's direct references removed. Elden Ring, if it is a prequel, would need to go before Demon's Souls, which isn't exactly hard to make work given that the main antagonist looks like a roided up Ulcerated Tree Spirit and is a cosmic being worshiped by humans. Given that Elden Ring might very well get a sequel, there might be an even more direct connection established eventually.
I had to look it up a bit and realized that in Elden Ring, the samurai hail from the land of reeds. Ashina, the setting of sekiro, means reed in Japanese
This wouldn’t necessarily tie the stories together but the fact that a remix of the demons souls theme plays during radagon s boss fight is awesome….nice throwback
My thoughts from the start: This is a sequel. Why: How did Dark Souls end? (With the painting of a new world...) The Lands Between ... Between what? The frame?
The painting used blood as pigment and Bloodborne has blood as a core part of the power of the world. Therefore the painting is more likely Bloodborne. Ifthe theory works
Of course its a reference to Norse mythology, erdtree? Yggdrasil, lands between? Midgard, jotenhiem land of giants? Of course mountain top of giants, giants being massacred by lord's? Of course same as Godfrey killing all the giants except one,there are other references of souls games to other media other than berserk@@travisoliver6741
Some notes I’ve thought about are the relation between the rivers of blood katana, the guy you get it from, and Sekiro, the connection between patches from Demon souls to dark souls and then to Elden ring, the connection between the dragons in Elden ring, the dragon in sekiro, and the dragons in dark souls, also since I only have an Xbox, how would bloodbourne and to some degree demon souls tie into Elden ring in a multiversal relationship?
Also, would love to see a video on Hewg at some point! I noticed an interesting detail not long ago that I had never picked up on before. Not about Hewg himself, but about the Elden Beast, which appears to have an old wound on its chest during our fight with it. It made me wonder if Marika actually battled the Beast as well at some point?? That could explain her own injuries when we see her, as well as the similarity between the trap she is held in and one of the Elden Beast's attacks during our fight with it Maybe that was the point of shattering the Elden Ring in the first place! To draw out the Beast so she could slay it... with a weapon forged by Master Hewg, who told her it would be strong enough to kill a god but, in the end, obviously wasn't. And that is why his punishment is to be trapped in the Roundtable Hold until he finally succeeds at what he promised her so long ago
And my friend Matheus said I was jumping the shark.Queen Marika's design reminds a lot of the fire keeper from ds3,now plus this lore hint,maybe marika and radagon were de Fire keeper and the ashen one becoming one in the end of the age of fire?In the same way the elden beast looks like Seath,the designs were chosen for a reason other than just recycle.
I just started NG+ and I realised you don’t start in the lands between. You cross the mist and enter the lands between. So where do you start? Obviously the Samurai comes from the Land of Reeds.
I would love if in a cave somewhere there can be a special enemy type, with a dead hunter near by and after we beat the cave we can get him as a summon. That would be enough for me. I feel like all the souls games and demons souls all occur in the same world just elsewhere. The fog walls, the Moonlight great sword, and outer gods all feel overtly familiar.
Very cool theory, these games definitely have to be loosely connected. I keep thinking back to the final ending of the DS3 DLC where the little girl talks about making a new painted world where everyone will live in peacefully. There's definitely lots of hints and open ended ways these games could be sequels/prequels/alternate dimensions of each other. Got great lore videos, helping make this world make some sense, haha.
I have always held on to the belief the DS3 painter paints Bloodborne, i mean painted with the dark soul of man aka blood, Bloodborne is the new painted world but it brings the worlds attention to the great ones and then the next age is Elden Ring. Sekrio is the only one i have a hard time fitting in, other then the eternal dragon possibly being placidsux mate and dragon rot being scarlet rot possibly. Its in my opinion the most different and therefore most likely to be its own thing.
So I don't have much but I think it's interesting that the final boss of ds3 is in an arena that is completely covered in ash and he's named the soul of cinder. Cinder is specifically a piece of coal or wood that does not burn but is combustible
Yeah…the coiled sword and sacred sword do not look similar at all. The coiled sword wraps around with no edge, the hilt, pummel, etc are all completely different. If this was such a ‘important’ sword, they wouldn’t change it.
I'm definitely of the opinion that Elden Ring is a prequel, if anything, to the Dark Souls series. Mostly because the fire continues to fade and you fight Gael at the actual end of time when the fire has presumably been reduced to hardly anything but ash. We literally see the end of the world in the Dark Souls series. And on that point it's fun to imagine that maybe your character in Elden Ring is some incarnation of Gwyn that lived and died as an Elden Lord that just riled shit up enough that their soul was chosen as a god to begin a whole different cycle, but that also gives credit to the idea that Elden Ring could just as much be a whole new cycle after Dark Souls as much as the other way around.
They are connected due to them being part of the Dark Souls genre of video games(not everything has to connect within universe). But the connection here is very much linked through a cycle of reincarnation and decay.
My theory is that the order of games are- Demon Souls - Massive timeskip - Sekiro - Bloodborne - Elden Ring - Dark Souls 1 - Dark Souls 2 - Dark Souls 3. A key thing to note is that dark souls takes place below Elden ring and sekiro. In demon souls the ending doesn’t necessarily matter, just remember the creator for later and the body of the old one has the arch trees AKA Erdtrees grow from it. In Sekiro not much really matters just know that this takes place in the east of the lands between AKA the land of reeds, also there is an argument to be made that Ishin is the person who trained malenia. Bloodborne, true ending, doll takes the new outer god to the lands between which will later become the 5 fingers and be possessed by the creator. Elden ring the Creator from demon souls (which happened millions of years ago as of now) inhabits the 5 fingers being known as the greater will, greater will shatters, next you get the frenzied flame, the frenzied flame burns the arch/erdtree. Dark Souls, the embers from the burning erdtree drift down to the bottom of the world creating fire, the souls lost in that fire also drift down with the embers. From there on the DS1 - 2 - 3 are a consecutive timeline where the world ends in DS3. In short the soulsbourne series is about letting the world die. Ironic that Miyazaki makes the true story actually kill your character as much as the game itself.
@Endyniontv the sword also looks a lot like the Godslayer Great Sword and the fingerslayer blade. And this made me think, do you think that the Large Sword of Moonlight from demon souls, Holy Moonlight Sword from bloodborne, Moonlight greatsword from dark souls, and the Darkmoon Greatsword from Elden Rjng are connected?
If they are then that means Armoured Core and Kingsfield are also canon, which would be unbelievable dumb. A lot of these are literally just easter eggs (Patches and the Moonlight Great sword have appeared in both Kingsfield and Armored Core). I'd like to see this guy try to connect these two series since apparently an Easter egg is all you need to be a connected world.
I think the most solid teory is that Bloodborne is the paint that did the painter with the blood of the dark souls in Ds3, I mean, literally the principal point of Bloodborne is the blood
also just cause it was so cool and to clear it up. soul of cinder is our bodies from the first game. the character we lit on fire to fuel the flame. its been sitting there like gwyn was for ages till ds3.
-Golden Order = Gywns Lord Soul in Dark Souls -Fell God = The Witch of Isiliths Lord Soul in Dark Souls -Destined Death/ The Lord of the Deathbirds = Nitos Lord soul in Dark Souls -The Sealed God of Scarlet Rot = The Rot that takes over the painting in Dark Souls/ potentially the undead curse itself -Rannis Moon Lord = The Dark Soul in Dark Souls, synonymous with the unknown -Frenzy Flame = The First Flame in Dark Souls where all the Lord Souls came from once they all regressed back together -The Formless Mother = The God that was once the Crucible potentially spawning everything hence blood being inside all -The Dragon God = The Divine Dragon in Sekiro -The Blood Star = The Great One’s from Bloodborne Don’t necessarily know if this is true however it does share very very very close themes with each of these across all games
I was watching gameplay of blood borne and noticed something quite interesting. in the castle of vainblood or cainblood(with the ghost ladys and stuff) theres a wall with a bunch of paintings. looking at them, one lf them shows a old man in red. now if you look at his hand it looks like hes holding the queen markia effigy or her cross symbol. idk what it means but its a connection? maybe?
Ok I got kinda an insane theory about the lands between and the erdtree once someone dies in the lands between there soul is sent back to the erdtree, and reborn, this makes me think that the lands between is the place BETWEEN the bonfires, like a LINK between them, for example when you die in Dark Souls you respawn at a bonfire, this could be your soul travelling through the bonfire into the lands between to be reborn through the erdtree, and when you teleport through the bonfires, you could also choose to come to the lands between as a tarnished who has lost there light of life, after all the were all warriors once as stated in the lore. it could also explain why there are so many enemies in elden ring that are in dark souls, like the basilisk. this is pretty crazy of a theory so if your gonna criticize i'm probably not gonna listen so save your fingers (pun intended)
It's been a while but IMO It all connects with Demon Souls. Demon Souls brings the First Great one or "outer god" to the world which is the embodiment of magic. In that game we either Kill magic itself which leads to Bloodborne, or we slumber it which leads to dark souls. This splits the time-line. We see in the hunters dream the pillars in the distance. I think the pillar trees in darksouls where the eternal dragons live is in the dream of the first old one and each pillar "tree" is it's own universe or reality and dark souls takes place in between these spaces. Elden ring shows you how these pillar "trees" come to be and how outer gods fight to shape that particular reality or world until all starts existing inside the tree and it becomes one of the stone tree like pillars we're used to seeing.
I don’t believe the sword but there are other connections such as the way of corona being in Elden ring and in ds3 it says it was a forgotten spell only known by gael who looks like one of the stormveil knights
It's a good theory, but I think it's still kinda "raw", I mean, sure, the fact that one of the creators said that elden ring is a sequel it's a great point to start, but it would mean that even Bloodborne is related, cuz it has the moonlight sword, that is definitely the same of dark souls, instead of the coiled sword from elden ring. Btw its cool to imagine a great universe that fuses these games together, but it's hard, and needs a lot of knowledge and time, probably months if not years!
My theory? We don't know yet. Until Miyazaki decides to connect the worlds, they're separate and the only connections we'll ever be able to find until then are references to each game.
I like the idea that these worlds aren't directly connected, but more of the idea of parallel worlds/times. That due to one choice in prehistory makes the divergence. How is this relevant? Well, take the sword for an example. It's a fixed point. It occurs in each version but slightly different.
One sprinkle from me ... Notice that Elden Ring has 3 types of ending ... there is Elden Lord ending (repeating the cycle), Age of Stars (new cycle yet simillar, kinda like age of darkness in Dark Souls beeing ending without linking the flame), and Lord of Frenzied Flame what is basically burning entire world in flames. What if Frenzied flame is the first flame from dark souls? What if our choise to burn the world gives Gwyn his power and allows world of Dark Souls to stand on ruins of Elden Rings world?
I think there is substance here....the nofire sword looks like a burned out trunk of that erdtree now that I think about it... And i can guess that the next game will mostly be about dragon and their age of rule
I personally feel that elden ring links all the games together through the 6 possible endings. Since time is extremely convoluted in all the games it makes sense especially when you think about the fact that you find certain weapons in basically every game, meeting Chester in the artorias of the abyss dlc (he is basically a hunter in a world without guns who was “snatched up” by a mysterious hand and taken back in time) the gods/great ones in the games are benevolent beings and something that is repeated throughout all the games new game+ when you think about that you can somewhat think about the fact that everything is a perpetual cycle of life, death, and resurrection. Dark souls 1 and 3 are linked through certain locations and listening to the dialogue and item descriptions you realize it is possible that ds2 is a dreamlike world in between 1 and 3 the fact that solaire speaks to you about the multiple worlds and how they are connected shows this. The ages of fire and dark lead to the chosen undead, the bearer of the curse, the unkindeled ash, the tarnished and the hunters of blood borne are all a random insignificant being who by chance is on a pre destined path that will lead to many different endings. There are so many links and similarities between every game!
Ok I have had a theory about all of the games being connected but not like this. I thought that the great hollow trees in dark souls 1, the endure trees in elden ring final boss arena, and the one area in blood borne (haven't played the game yet) are all different portals to all of the different from soft games so if you were to enter a different tree in dark souls 1 you could end up in sekerio. ( if you could)
My crackpot theories... Gwyn = empyrean Gwyneviere = Maricka Lands Between = Things Betwixt Numan = Lordran/Lotheric after DS3 after new age of man ending
So a bonfire is grace of the erdtree and a shrine of Marica combined in some way, that's an interesting way to think about it. So what if the site of the erdtree is the site of the first flame?
Nah. Sacred relic sword doesnt really coil it actually just separates and reconnects. The coiled sword doesnt split in the center but is rather a twisted blade. The coiled sword is easily closer to the godslayer greatsword in appearance.
Dude the entire game is LITTERED with Bloodborne, Dark Souls and Demons Souls hints and links. Land Beyond the Fog is a direct reference to Boletaria, and this might be what's on the other side of the Fog. So many Erdritch and Blood references linking to Bloodborne and the Moon Presence. And they call it The Lands Between. Between what? Between the other games locations if you ask me. Your theory isn't insane, it's very logical. For a decade we've speculated this and Elden Ring brings so many things that link the games.
I always imagined that Elden Ring/The Lands Between were the rebirth of Dark Souls/Lothric when we let the first flame die out and life to restart on its own....there's definitely a connection. Maybe DLC will explain more??
First of all, the swords don’t even look that similar. Second, the World of Dark Souls begins as a stagnant world without life, death, light or dark. It is only after Gwyn ushers in the Age of Lught and when the Age of Light begins to end when Nito and Gwyn create the bonfires. You have to neglect important Dark Souls lore to make this theory work.
Alot of people seem butt hurt when anyone claims these games a connected, but i mean they have to be connected or we all been buying the same damn game for 12 years or so.
Sekirio is alive in Bloodborne, marvelous chester in dark souls 1 is from the future and looks like he was straight out of Bloodborne, if the coiled sword and the sacred relic sword are one in the same that would mean that dark souls 1 - 3, sekirio, Bloodborne and Elden ring are part of the same world's history. Also Patches is in every game
I always believed hollows were the seeds of the great trees. Which in Elden ring mass graves are a part of the roots of great trees. Now are the graves simply nourishment or are they progenitor
There are so many in universe references that connect the games and people still brush it off as just fan service or something. I couldn’t disagree more. FromSoftware takes their lore and world building very seriously and are not trying to be meta. When a dude that looks straight out of Bloodborne appears in Dark Souls and says he’s from another world, I don’t know how much more on the nose they can be. It’s not a meaningless fun reference you’re supposed to not think too deeply about, it’s canon to the lore and should be taken as seriously as every other piece of lore. When patches is somehow in every game, that is canon to the lore and should be taken seriously like everything else in the lore. You can’t pick and choose which pieces of the game are meant to be taken seriously, either it’s all canon or non of it matters.
These seem more like nods/tips of the hat more than connections. The coiled sword is far more like a fireplace poker in style versus the evangelion lance of longinus sword design of the relic blade. Souls series has no mention of outer gods and the origins of the souls world clearly showed us hollows are humanities original forms. If anything it has more grounds to be connected to bloodborne than souls with the whole fact the great ones are outer gods.
I like to think that the games are "in the same universe" but not in the same planet, maybe. The elden best shows many trees in the universe, many worlds that are infected with its influence. Heck we dont know if the planets in that universe are a globe. They could be flat worlds conected by fog, or something.
Cool video and interesting theory, but it should really be called something different. Since I was kind of expecting you to at least mention some of their non souls games. Like their mech game Murakumo, which also happens to be the name of a greatsword in Dark souls 2 and 3. Or the fact that the Moonlight Great sword is in so many of their games going back to King's Field. Most of all I was hoping you would find a way to tie The Adventures of Cookie and Cream to Dark Souls.
Did you ever think it looked like the gloom eyed queentoward I'm not sure what it's called but it's a sword that definitely doesn't look like the last boss's sword but more so looks like think alone my Queen which is probably that woman that you meet in the beginning of the game I don't remember her name but she's got a weird eye and she definitely has a possession of death incantation
I weirdly think that Elden Ring is a prequel to dark souls instead of a sequel. In dark souls everything is dead all the characters everything. In elden ring that's not quite the case there's so much life in elden ring. Everything has gone to shit in dark souls but not quite in elden ring. Melina could be the first fire keeper tbh because the fire keepers job is always to help make the chosen undead stronger and do whatever it takes for the chosen undead to continue their journey melina dies in fire in every ending but one. Shocker that you can't level up without her, that she gives you the Estes flasks in Elden ring just like the fire keepers, and the fact that she looks simaler to most fire keepers isn't a suprise to me but idk.
I think the world of the elden ring is the predecessor of the dark souls world because of the ending of elden ring a new age begins and depending on the ending you chose there the chaos ending so it could be the start of Lords of Cinder and fire keepers and then there's samurai armor description which screams sekiro world exists in the universe of elden ring but sekiro is a story from far future. Age of stars = Bloodborne Frenzied flame = dark souls Destined death = demon souls Well that's my point of view.
the similarity in the looks suggest nothing as there are many weapons that share same designs across the souls - eldering games , greatword,moon light , ruin great sword/fugs/dragon great sword just to name a few . The description however is interesting but that can mean anything and other items also have vague descriptions like this too which can be connected to other games
crazy theory though, i still think Vaati video about this made more sense, though still its awesome to see people crazy theory this type of stuff "Not the fact im stupid, thats already clear" PFFFF im laughing at that part a lot, this made my day
