Could Biofuels Bring V10 Engines Back to F1? 

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I have never been a fan of his. I hated his attitude at Red Bull and never rated him as a driver. But if Vettel helps bring back V10s I will send him a V10 sized gift basket of appreciation.

@@jimrustle270 but do you like Max Verstappen? Because you can’t hate Vettel for this attitude and then like Max Verstappen.

@@jimrustle270 What is your opinion on the turbo hybrid Mercedes dominance era?

@@kristianpetrov913 Extremely dull. The only reason I respect Hamilton as a driver is because he matched up so well against the GOAT Alonso and Jenson Button.

Well I'm pretty sure this year at LeMans all cars ran on biofuels. So in a couple years with the GT3s there could be some V10 Lamborghinis racing on biofuel and whatever other GT3s use V10s. I would have said that in the future Indycar would be pretty cool to run a V10 formula, but Indycar seems to be 10 years late on all engine developments so I'm not very hopeful.

@@boi9082IndyCars current formula is starting to get old, and they are indeed quite conservative in the timelines they have. But if Honda gets onboard, and persuades Toyota to follow suit, there's a chance to get V10s in both IndyCar and Superformula. Toyota is the other engine manufacturer in the Japanese series and always rumored to join IndyCar as well. Optimistic but not out of the question.

@@MaunoKoivistoOfficial that would be heaven. Pathway for Toyota GR to enter F1?

@@boi9082 the Audi with the same engine

WE HOPE SO

V8 would be a good start. They are removing the MGU-H which is the real problem, people forget how V6-turbo from 80's McLaren sounded.

@@PetitGarry yeah not as good as a v10 or v8

Ferrari could give us a flat 12 for interest.

That would be a dream come true! N/A internal combustion rules

@@PetitGarry its not just that, its the microphone placement that changes the sounds we hear on the TV, I'm pretty sure the current cars sound nice on track at the moment anyway

I don't think it's sustainable for electric cars to exist. They just aren't better for the environment

@@MikelDog in the future they're likely going to be the only option as manufacturers and the government hide the fact

Indycar's methanol would be perfect but F1 does not follow in the foot steps of USA so they will never consider methanol. Ethanol is a bio-fuel and could work as a racing fuel.

@@encinobalboa indycar use e85 not methanol

@@encinobalboa some F1 cars in the past used methanol it's just a case of changing rules now and angering engineers

Yeah, people like the sound, but as the world turns (pun intended) , almost everybody turns to electric vehicles. So, sooner rather than later, a generation grows up without the sound of loud cars. There already is a Formula E, and I'm pretty sure that within 10-15 years, F1 will be electric, or concrete plans exists/are being made to transition to electric cars. At the moment, there are several oltimer classes, like the Le Mans Classic and they can create something like that for F1 cars as a support event for F1 races. But over the years, F1 with combustion engines will disappear completely. And maybe it's hard to imagine, but in 50 years, nobody will care anymore. Just like the fact that a classic race will never attracts as much visitors as F1 or MotoGP, the top class will always be the most interesting. Loads of people claim EV's lack emotion, but once they've driven in one, they change their minds pretty quickly. Because as far as racing goes, EV's are very quick. In a few years, they should have solved the battery issue and you get electric F1 cars that can go the distance and the same speeds they do now.

Many run V8 era cars because easier to run

@@PhilippensTube We know, but how about a few final years of naturally aspirated glory before fully electric era?

Yeh it’s called false advertising lol

They would all choose a turbo v6

That's essentially the fundamental of motorsport, who get the best motor get the win. Back to 90s it's not the rule get V10, it's the team find out V10 is better than V12 and V8 which they also allow to use, the rule only been there after all team have switched to V10. Same story goes to hybird system on LMP1, it's simply supreme than ICE only. I don't mind if full electronic car (or maybe hydrogen, or maybe nuclear, I don't care) a win F1 or Le-man, that's when elec or what ever gang could claim it's the future.

@@umi3017if ur suggesting full electric there is already formula e in formula world and if in an endurance racing like le mans the pitstop only limits to swap the batteries and not the entire car.

@@earlgumban That's not the point, if the electric car only play it's own race, how could we know what's the better solution for car engine? We now know electric is better on short runs as they dominated hill climb over HY and ICE in the same playground, but not yet on GP or Endurance distance.

@@umi3017 exactly! When they started racing diesel engines in racing boats, people laughed...until they demonstrated they could win. Same as in LMP1. If they'd allow different engine formula's you'd get some sort of BOP like in LMP. Not sure if that's going to work in F1. And I guess they're going to keep the V6 Hybrid anyway. They already have the engine performance numbers. They'd lobby for something like that if it was worth while.

I tried to watch formula E the other day and the sound of electric motors is vile NA all day, EVs are a gimmick at best and are even worse for the environment (lithium mining/disposal)

@@nuckels188 a gimmick? Sure. Not like places are banning new petrol cars within the next 10 years or anything....

@@nuckels188 You’re valid but don’t Shun Formula E like that mate. Sure the sound isn’t the best but it makes up for some better lighthearted racing, plus the smaller cars look fun and the overtaking possibilities are massive

@@Indskret now if they would just hit higher top speeds and race on real circuits every now and then FE would be epic! :D

@@connortheandroidsentbycybe7740 Ya with electrical grids that cannot support all the EV's charging.

+ Cheaper to build, lighter, sound better. - Not as efficient, worse fuel economy, less reliable, less OEM interest.

Let's be real, even the V6 is on borrowed time so I am just gonna say no chance and then some. Maybe in other series though, like sportscars but even then.

V10 time is gone and tbh i feel the noise coming out from these engines even though is very cool but is wasteful. Listen to the lmdh Porsche or the toyota hypercar startup. That is the sound of the future. Turbos are here to stay. I don't need v10 tbh, even if they remove the turbo and increase the hybrid assistance then that would be great too while keeping the NA V6.

Sebastian Vettel bought Nigel Mansell‘s car number five Rebuilt it. it takes sustainable fuel and showed it off at Silverstone, V10 what a beautiful sound, a Sound which is iconic to Formula One to have that sound again will be fantastic.

@@jerryldavis1823 V10 Turbo

Australian Supercars (accidentally) solved the strategy issue by mandating a minimum fuel drop, i.e. how much fuel MUST be added to each car during the race. You can fuel short on the first stop to jump positions, but you then have to pay for it by fueling long on your second stop. There's no incentive to save fuel, you just go full blast. The fuel drop is set so that it's slightly more than the capacity of the tank, so you are effectively mandating two stops. (In F1 this would mean smaller tanks and therefore lighter cars.)

Refuelling is dangerous because it is done while the engine is still running. If one can sort it out, we can have refuelling back, which will make the cars lighter and much more diverse pit strategy.

No refueling

I wouldn't go for refuelling just mandate how much fuel can be used and ingenuity will sort that the problem. When I first started driving you thought you were doing ok if you got 30 mpg. On a recent long run I got 72, just shows what can be done if you have to, in this case fuel cost and low emissions I would think.

@@philspencelayh5464 as thermally efficient as F1 engines can be, they won't have such mileage numbers (at best maybe around 20ish if the engine is in lean mode and the driver save fuel). 100 kg of fuel (~140 lt) for 300ish km is very efficient for a 1000hp racecar engine, while LMP1-Hybrid (not the hypercars) have 62.5 lt fuel tank capacity that can go for up to 130ish km (10 laps at Le Mans).

Just do a WEC and allow open engines and fuels (of course provided they're sustainable.

Wouldn't they all pick the V6 regardless then ? Hundreds of millions poured into developing the layout by all the teams and less moving parts is always better for the engineers for reliability reasons . I can't help but imagine how a hybrid 2026 V10 would sound though , bet it would be orgasmic .

@Ching Chong 1.6L

guaranteed everyone but the poorest teams would run turbocharged engines

@@turnip5465 Depends on how large you allow the Non-turbo size and how small you make the turbo - eg. 500 cc turbo vs 7 litre V10.....

@@skyadsAu thats such a stupid suggestion lol

@@turnip5465 I guess the FIA were stupid; because that is exactly what they did last time - turbos were 1.5 L and non-turbo V8s were 3L - so F1 could allow 2 types of motor again - it happened before as I just explained to the one who is rude before thinking - you could have a 1.6 L Hybrid running Bio-Fuel and maybe a 3.5 L V10 or V8 running E-Fuel with a maybe an electrical supercharger with a boost limit to get the power similar. Anything is possible but F1 should be the pinnacle of motorsport and the rules should not hold any particular type of development back.

@@skyadsAu every successful team ran turbos back then, just look at Le Mans for a more modern example, NA is inherently inefficient compared to a turbocharged engine and is prefered, a big NA engine means you weight more, have a larger package, consume more fuel etc. As for stupidity, your example was a half liter turbo and a 7 litre v10, that is a stupid example to give.

Here in Brazil we use E100 in cars since the 1970s. Now most cars are "flex fuel" and can use any mixture between E100 and full gasoline (e27 in reality). Before fuel injection was a reality here cars were built specifically for gasoline or ethanol. For camparison, in 1990 a VW 4 cylinder engine had a CR of 12,3 for ethanol and 8,7 for gasoline. And that 12,3 CR was used with carburators.The difference in torque and horsepower was huge in favor of ethanol. No one that liked sporty cars wanted gasoline.

Agreed, the problem with all high revving non turbo race engines is no matter what fuel they run on they're inefficient. They literally blow fuel right out the exhaust because of the over lapping valve timing they require to make power at those high revs. The OEM's know this and won't touch them if given another choice.

@@johnjones928 I didn’t know that, that makes sense. That’s a good add. Explains why they lock these cars in at 12,500 I think.

@@devon2677 Actually they're capped at 15,000 RPM, but with the fuel flow restrictions and mileage requirements no one wants to turn them that fast.

The biofuel Williams that Vettel ran sounded great

If we keep the V6’s don’t be surprised if 2026 ones sound better. The MGU-H (while genius) is getting removed and possibly the 15k Rev limit, so they’ll be more akin to the 80s V6.

@@Indskret I don't think the current manufacturers, especially Renault, that are betting heavily in electric powertrains, will let that happen. The compromise would be a hybrid e-fuel v6. But let's see.

YES!

I agree. Electric motor is so much heavier than normal ICE.

@@adibz959 and make the cars more bigger and long

They have already said that the hybrid power will be increased.

@@the_lost_navigator7266 Well then they have already committed to a low IQ pea-brained move.

Normal fuels too but it ain't gonna happen

A V4 would be interesting, but I doubt Ducati would join. An In-line 4 is my personal preference, they sound awesome at high rpm and with a Turbo would be reminiscent of the old BMW days.

Agreed

F1 never had more fans than in the Turbo Hybrid Era.

@@gandalf_thegrey Yeah but that's not because of the engine sounds that's because of better marketing and DTS. Better engine sounds would only increase viewership.

V10 F1 CARS ARE WAY SMALLER

Allow flywheel KERS and it would be good