COULD EXILES HAVE RETURNED TO RWANDA WITHOUT WAR? PART 3: I am not Rwandan, M7 assures Habyarimana. 

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He knew he was lying.

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A politician will say anything to save his skin. But before we crucify him, we shld ask ourselves, "what for?" Is it worth dwelling on the past, dwelling on divisionism while peoples across borders and boundaries continue to pay the price of lies or perceived lies by politicians?

@@MugiSportsLife We shouldn't have to deny our identity or ancestry for political gains. Obama said my father was Kenyan and still became president of USA. That's the maturity we should aim for as Africans.

Rwandan identity is a recent colonial construct. The area had many independent tribes. www.worldstatesmen.org/Rwanda_hutu.html

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Do you also blame the sky for changing?

@@OWANAPAEDIA I don't blame the sky. I meant it changes rapidly and it is unpredictable.

@@mugangaalpha_official8216 I think you missed the point where it's mentioned that the RPF took matters into their own hands to advance on Rwanda while M7 was on a trip abroad. So how you crucify M7 is unreasonable.

@@MugiSportsLife but the fight lasted 4 years NOT one day🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️M7 supported 100%

@@mugangaalpha_official8216 so did he do wrong to support them..

He will rest in hell with all the devils of his kind 🙏🏽

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Thank you, but note that Rwanda's troubles did not begin with these two you call liars, or even with Habyarimana.

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@Facts On Rwanda He can still reverse it by saying goodbye to the RNC and the Interahamwe. If he decides not to help them, they can’t force him to do so. He’d just need to be sincere and not play games.

Mr Owana Sir I'm a Kenyan so do not know Luganda.But listening 2 the words carefully the language sounds & has Haya words I mean Ba haya 4m Bukoba in Tz ? Also it true that Uganda is a Rwandese word 4 cleaning ?Pls I would grateful 2 get ua comments thx

I think he can't reverse, its too late for him, his army generals involved in helping RNC can destroy him if he decides not to continue what they started bcz they are very far

@@murenzipatrick6171 I don’t think the pessimism is justified. It wouldn’t be the 1st or 2nd or 3rd time he’s shifted positions. All along, those officers have either followed or fallen to the side. You see him with your very eyes make nice with Habyara in this video, and then criticize him later. You can also see him promoting his NRA companions from Rwanda, only to start demoting them shortly afterward. He fought with them in 1996, only to fight AGAINST them in 1999. After the genocide, he expressed disapproval of the Interahamwe, yet he’s been supporting them lately. His reversals and counter-reversals are practically countless. One more isn’t impossible.

During the bush the banyarwanda refugees had agreed with museveni that once ugandan war is done, then uganda would help them fight the govt of Rwanda, pipo like Rwigema, kagame, Bunyenyzi, bayigana, etc actually they were so many rwandese that participated in the luwero bush war, later on they got logistics including arms, foot, ammunitions, soldiers etc and attached Rwanda, eventually habyarimana was assassinated the way Oyit ojok was assassinated during the bush war in uganda. And banyarwanda weya the main actors in those deadly attacks

True, thinking like me

The reason why Kagame can work with Museveni but can never trust him 😂

@@camaradepatrick8389 I trust him because,1,Rwanda now is competing with Kenya,Uganda and Tanzania economically,2,in Rwanda we have peace,3 doing business is easy comparing before 1994,4, Rwanda now is a growing economically very vast than any other country in this region,5 we need him in power for longer for stability, for example in china a leader can be in power for Long and economy doing well,compare kagame and habyarimana,

When President Museveni promised President Habyarimana that Rwandan refugees would not use Uganda as a launch pad for a war to return home, he also advised him to reach a settlement with his Diasporans. indeed, the right of refugees to visit Rwanda was part of the Arusha Peace Accord between RPF and Habyarima's government. Any state that denies its refugees the right to return nor even visit invites the response the RPF delivered.

" glass water " That's a cheap reason of argument. The facts in this video debunk lies from kagame. Re-listen to museveni speech until un understand. They were privileged in Uganda as museveni said.

@DUSABE JEAN CLAUDE “Why Late Habyarimana could not let Rwandans in Uganda coming back peacefully?” Because his mission and goal was ethnic cleansing. Look it up even in Wikipedia, and this is the very 1st paragraph you will see: «Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, often with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous. The forces which may be applied may be various forms of forced migration (deportation, population transfer), intimidation, as well as genocide and genocidal rape.»

What a good question!! Out history books, not those of RPF, tell a different story. from this article: www.nytimes.com/1990/12/15/opinion/l-rwanda-invasion-isn-t-about-refugees-076090.html You can read what the leaders at time, in 1987, were doing to solve the refugee problem! In the UN archives and the AU archives, you will find all the documents related to te refugees problem. All the documents show that President Habyarimana did everything possible to solve the problem. 1. Proposed the voluntarily return of the refugees, and settle in the un-occupied areas of Rwanda. 2. Proposed a naturalisation of the refugees in the host country. Rwanda government would help obtain that. 3. Proposed to negotiate the refugees status. Rwanda government would help to obtain that. All of these were never accepted by the leaders of RPF. On september 30th, 1990. The representatives of the refugees were expected in Rwanda to come and see with their own eyes the conditions the Rwandans live in. All was set! from transportation to accommodations! But Instead, the RPF attacked a day later.

@@rutonde President Habyarimana's mission was not ethnic cleansing. Stop spreading the lies! What's your proof? How can He plan an ethnic cleansing and he is the first victim?

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Who is not clever enough? Use this history to grasp the fact that exiles all over the world will always insist on their legitimate right to return home. The terms of return are what is debatable but not the principle. In this, President Habyarimana failed despite President Museveni's clear warning and advice on the subject. In fact one Ugandan opposition politician described Museveni as "tactless' when he openly told President Habyarimana not to ignore Gen Rwigyema's desire to return home...

@@OWANAPAEDIA true exiles will always insist on their legitimate right to return home. The word legitimate is important here. The Rwandan borders are open for all refugees from all over to return. Kagame has mentioned this several times. Those willing to return peacefully have done so, others have left citing political injustice, others due to being called out for corruption and others denying the genocide, and now they want to destabilize Rwanda by wanting to return violently, although they are free to return. Most of those wanting to destabilize Rwanda are not willing to return and face their accusers. Otherwise they wld legimately return as you well put it.

It's is because of museveni and kagame that we have stability in Rwanda

Since we are all here to get some lessons, care to elaborate what u mean 'stooped to unprecedented lows to get attention of Rwandans seeking security in Ug'? Or are you ignoring the fact the fact that the Rwandan nationals who escaped to Ug during the genocide/some were perpetrators, are being mobilized n trained to attack Rwanda! If you follow the current standpoint of the Kigali regime u will get to know the reasons clearly, i.e if u aren't ignoring them.

@@MugiSportsLife I'm about the language style I used:'STOOPED TO UNPRECEDENTED LOWS...' this meant to emphasize the fact that H.E. President Paul Kagame went out of his way to talk to the leadership in Uganda but latter didn't heed his calls.

I agree with you totally.

@@MugiSportsLife I didn't say (as you allude to) that Rwanda sought attention of Rwandans in uganda. I said Rwanda sought attention of THEIR COUNTERPARTS (Ugandan leadership). Revise my original post. P.S. I haven't edited it at all.

The lessons I'm looking forward to are Owanapedia to state how history judges the numerous requests by Rwanda to Uganda on the security of rwandans in uganda prior to the escalation of border issues.

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Try to give credit where it's due and that is to Rwigyema and RPF and not M7.

It's Rwigyema that took the soldiers to attack after knowing that Museveni and Habyarimana were out for a visit. Maybe he knee about it but also Habyarimana is to blame. Because Museveni tried his level best to inform him about the refugees yearning to go back to their country but in steady paid a deaf ear which maybe pissed M7 off and acted like do your play _am out of it.

Thanks to our fathers we are home now,

I hope the refugees never dream of coming home too.

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Tutsi fled the country in 1959. That means from 1959 Uganda and other neighboring countries had Rwandan refugees

@@inkotanyicyane4683 thank you very much. Indeed learning doesn't end.

Even before 1959, many people fled the harsh colonial rule to Uganda in 20s, 30s,40s. Then 1959 during the revolution

Thanks alot owanapedea hope that msg reaches those who might have chosen to ignore and undermine the support got from ugandans

The truth is that statement about Uganda denying rwigyema was the fault of a seemingly illiterate journalist of Bbs luganda tv who made a phone call to the updf army spokesperson inquiring about the children and affairs of estate of late rwigyema who clearly told him he has no authority to speak for the estate of the late rwigyema but to consult the administrator of the estate of the late man gen Fred who is currently in Rwanda and the ignorant journalist said the army has denied the general. The estate and the military records are dfrnt. Administrator general is that who keeps records of family affairs like children and wealth.

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They did talk first but to no avail. By the time Habyara took the invasion seriously is when RPF had set camp in the East of Rwanda. That's when he was forced to attend Arusha agreements. But plans were being hacked with or without his knowledge for the massacre that took place.

Tres bien!

Before they killed him, he had signed a peace agreement with the RPA. They had shared power accordingly. He was not an extremist because during his rule Hutu and Tutsi lived in harmony (read Immacule Ilibagiza and Joseph Sebarenzi).

@@jeannsabumuremyi4786 you don't know what you are talking about or you ignore it, I was there I know everything.

Talk about Arusha agreement too, when Habyarimana saw that the neighbors were serious about the return of refugees and the share of power, he said that the he signed but the papers he signed had no value. He told this himself.

@@felixntabana645 My understanding is that they had an RPF military in Kigali as a part of the agreement. It was the beginning of the process to put the signed papers into action. Therefore, it was not just papers but a binding document. The next step was to have PK and his fellows return to join the Rwandan government. JH had agreed to dismantle the presidential guard. After the return of the refugees, Rwanda was supposed to hold general elections.

Let me hunt

Umucengezi you are on the wrong forum. This is a place of learning and of unity and reconciliation and not ideological propaganda.

I am more interested in the fact that one commanded the other effectively in the bush for five years and that they had worked together on equally serious missions before the 1981 bush war. In short you might eat your words one of these days...

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@@OWANAPAEDIA Yes because the new generation need to know our history it is very important with all this western value forced to us by this Neo colonised people our children may not be able to know our history. Once again many thanks.

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Are you mad???😂

How did you get on that conclusion?

How?

U hv understood nothing. Sorry to disappoint you.

Habyarimana did not have eyes to see, even his thinking was poor

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Don't you see how civil your language is compared to that of another whose name I won't mention? Thanks for your civil contribution.

Thank you sir.

I think you are watching these series selectively. Mark for us the minutes/seconds where I JUSTIFY or SUPPORT Gen. Habyariman's position.

@@OWANAPAEDIA check starting at 22:10. Your own statement, "probably it was full up"!. It's probably a slip of tongue on your part, coz a country cannot be full up, no matter what, because its not a glass.

PlayerM thank you,exactly 22:10

@@Veritas24 towards the end he corrects himself, whereby he says, that with this full water glass theory, he says he has a suspicion that the Interahamwe had a NOTION that the country was FULL. So I think he didn't want to give the impression he was supporting that silly notion.

Who told you that there is a war in Rwanda? Don't disturb us

I will not be remaining careful if I make any further statements on what you have seen. There must come a time when the caution you and I are now exercising becomes something to remember as just an unfortunate chapter in our lives. You know what I mean, no emphasis needed and thanks for the compliment.

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Rwigyema never asked for permission nor did he inform M7. I wld prefer all credit be given to Rwigyema and the RPF for their great conquer of the Habyarimana regime. Wld be great to have this kind of history in schools instead of the Napoleon Bonaparte nonsense.

He did no opposite. Rwigyema and the RPF shld be credited for the revolution on in Rwanda, not M7. If you are to listen to Owana's narratives carefully, you shld understand better.

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