The real-world mission, which came to mind immediately while watching this, was Operation Opera. Worthy of simulating. They flew at 30M at night over Iraq with 8 F167s and 6 F15s flying cap. attempting to fly under the radar of the Iraqi defences.
@@jimc1654 That would require a higher powered transmitter than a short-range intercom unit. The normal datalink would be one-way under stealth conditions - AWACS transmitting, other aircraft receiving only.
@@No1sonuk would be interesting to see how far a $20 Walmart walkie-talkie could be picked up on a big military radio scanner. We've used them on car trips and they're good for around a mile or so line-of-sight to eachother which would be more than enough for the formation they were holding through that valley, and even if someone on the ground happened to be on the same freq (cue angry security guard telling us to shut up while driving past an industrial complex...) at 500kts you'd be out of range long before they heard a meaningful number of words.
not undetected... he was definitely detected... even intercepted... The russian fighters just assumed that he wasn't anything to be worried about. nothing really seemed out of place.
@@symphonon109 Holly molly this AI made the best decision possible. Like was mentioned, nothing good was waiting for him if he had returned to base. I am genuinely impressed. Was this a glitch? Probably yes. But I like to think it was not and the developers of DCS coded a hidden 1 in a 1'000 chance that this would occur in a very particular scenario like we just witnessed here. A man can dream...
Probably your best ever video by a long shot ! It had everything - sneaky high testosterone canyon run, Cap leaving his radar on, a mistimed approach that sees the target minutes from landing, selfless heroics from the supporting cast, and our hero finishing the job with GUNS (!) before outrunning no less than five enemy interceptors and running out of fuel less than 40 km from base and having to ditch on a mountaintop. And the icing on the cake - one Su-27 pilot realizing that his career and or life may be over decides to defect and land his aircraft at the friendly while being escorted in by an F-22. 'Murica ! Someone call Tom Cruise, we have the script for Top Gun III ready to go ! (PS - It's obvious that Cap has never seen a Star Wars film, he missed all the Luke Skywalker references !)
Well this is something you don't see everyday: F-22s flying extremely low as if trying to evade radar detection. The jets should be flown at Mach 1.7 super-cruise at 50,000 feet.
An actual F22 pilot said .9 mach was very fuel efficient and 1.6 super cruise was very fuel efficient. Anything in between would gobble the fuel up. He said it was something that took practice and if you did not do it right your fuel levels would reflect that.
Wave drag certainly peaks dramatically around M1.0 so I can believe that cruising near that speed was relatively inefficient. That's why Concorde used its afterburners to break the sound barrier - it didn't need it and could go supersonic on dry thrust but fighting that extra drag in a slow acceleration used more fuel than getting up to speed quickly on reheat. It would be interesting to know what "very fuel efficient" at M1.6 actually means - does he mean comparable fuel consumption to a subsonic cruise or just that it's very efficient compared to a similar jet using its burners?
@@trolleriffic He was comparing it to not getting up to 1.6 mach super cruise the "proper" way in the F22 whatever that means and more fuel efficient than the F16 cruising at .9 mach.
Fighter Pilot Podcast.F22 episode. I guess u need to work harder on tactics.Going at FL50 and supercruise,veritcal notch into valley then lag intercept from below.Loosing 3 F22 on a op is not an option.Spcially when they cannot be replaced.
Fun, as always. When you guys were trying to stealth in and worrying about them noticing you from above, I kept wondering about all the little villages and towns you were flying over at such low altitude. I would think people would be calling in on their phones about all the noise, which would then alert the people from above to start searching for you.
There may be a huge delay though. Would the emergency services have a direct connection to the military? It would make sense if they did, but would they? And even if they did, they'd presumably need to investigate, or they'd require one of the people saying "it was an F22" to know that it's an immediate serious threat and not just some crank.
@@RyanHellyer - All good questions, and I'm certain none of them would be F22 experts, but they were flying for about 15 minutes, and if people keep calling emergency services, or something similar, as long as they're doing their job, it wouldn't that long for them to tell the military to start tracking the line the reports are coming from, especially if the President was flying in that area.
@@RyanHellyer If they life close to an airbase they'd have a direct line I think. My parents used to life quite close to an airbase in the 80's and they'd call to the base directly to report when any planes flew over the town too low/fast. Which apparently happened regularly enough for them to have the number ready to go.. Lol.
Something similar happened to me back on July 4th 2001. My neighbor across the street had a runway and airplane hangar in his backyard. He was out flying that day. Well apparently some idiot not too far from us in a county over in Florence, AL was flying an airplane underneath a bridge outside of a busy park. The military scrambled 2 F15 jets to intercept him. On the way to Florence they must have picked our neighbor up on radar and thought he may have been the culprit. The two fighters kept flying over our house and neighborhood. It was quite scary. They had to be close to stall speeds. They would fly right over the tree tops. They were so close that I could catch a glimpse of the pilots a couple of times. Needless to say, they buzzed my neighbor a couple of times. They scared the shit out of him so he landed. 5 minutes later a state trooper was in his driveway and questioning him. My neighbor was confused about the whole situation. He thought he had gotten too close to Brown's Ferry Nuclear Plant. To this day I wonder if they would have shot him down had he not landed.
So... How much it could be different if you guys fly with external fuel tanks until you're about to be exposed to the enemies radars? I guess if you did all the first part of the flight with them, it could be enough to leave enough fuel to get home.
@@grimreapers A2A refuelling is functional for the F22 I believe, that could make a big difference. If you set it up again I would have a tanker ready before and after, and I would have a friendly defense of F15s to keep the chasers off once you are back in friendly airspace.
A great entertaining mission! As a person whom flies DCS and creates his own missions I am always amazed at how often AI do things that I never asked them to do. Watching the Su 27 land at an enemy field due to lack of fuel, I presume was awesome!
Fun fact: When Frank Whittle was inventing the jet engine, another engineer was simultaneously inventing their own jet engine in Germany, completely independently.
"Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." - Ben Kenobi I can't believe you missed the first Star Wars movie reference. (Beggar's Canyon).
i think he was just pulling everyone's leg:) Cap knows the reference, he hosted a whole server versus star destroyer, c'mon think about it:) Cap made the best answer, and I laughed:)
Defending against an attack on Air Force One was one of the bonus scenarios in Jane's USAF back in the 90s. You were a flight of F-15Es (I think, might have been Cs) on a refueling training mission that just happened to be nearby and caught completely unprepared. Drop tanks, turn and burn. :)
Question that hit my head: With such a small radar cross section, couldn't a type of drone decoy be developed that could match the speed and radar cross section of a stealth aircraft? In high risk situations where ground radar/SAMs are involved, I'd think they'd be a great countermeasure.
Can't see a reason why that couldn't be done. What you're describing sounds a lot like a stealth cruise missile so it would probably be worth putting a warhead on it so it can blow something up when you're done with it being a decoy.
You should look up the ADM-20 Quail, it’s a decoy drone that was intended to be launched from B-47 Stratojets and B-52 Stratofortresses to mimick their speed and radar cross section to make itself indistinguishable from a low-flying B-52 on Soviet radar systems. Launching multiple ADM-20s would coerce the Soviets into spreading their air defense systems thin (across multiple targets) with the hopes of increasing the odds of a real B-52 surviving. It was removed from USAF inventory in 1978 as ground radar had improved, reducing the effectiveness of the Quail. Other systems have also been developed to perform the same role, seems like most have been withdrawn by now.
@@TheWoblinGoblin they developed missiles that were supposed to do the same thing as the ADM-20 and then drop down to kill a SAM or radar system, then they just made it a long range ground attack missile for the B-52
15:48: Probably not. Turbine blades had an atrocious lifespan back then. It was not until we got better metalurgical processes and could grow single crystal blades that they get really practical.
@@nocount7517 turbine blades were typically "grown" from a single grain of titanium(iirc). Multiple grains have boundaries that the blades will crack at. They have been able to 3d laser sinter them now though for 10-ish years.
I kind of want to see you guys run the scenario again (and hopefully all make it back). Then to spice things up, add some humans flying the Russian side of things.
considering recent events, I think some higher ups in Russia would be using this as an opportunity to take upver and to blame everything on Putin and gracefully withdraw from Ukraine without losing too much face. The Su pilot defecting at the end was hilarious.
so fun ya! Maybe try the same thing with the best non-stealth planes, to see if it's possible? F-16s? F-18's? Go back in time... F-14's? I really want to see this with a Eurofighter once that comes out! (official one, not a mod)
Yup. This was such a great concept (hitting a flying high value target in a high threat environment) you SHOULD try other airframes to see if it is doable. Win conditions, EVERYONE gets home.
@@grimreapers what if you had 1 F-22 and 2 F-35s for ground attacks against radars and Sams, while also using the linked radar to assist the other aircraft and also fight off the fighter jets as the F-22 intercepts
Fun mission, except 1 point - you shot transport Il-76 which doesn't have any counter measures except IR flares. I believe that Air 1 has all possible anti radar features that are available at that country. ;)
It would be cool to try it at different periods of time as well such as early Cold War, then maybe Vietnam-era, and a Red Storm Rising type fight in the early or mid-80s.
Why dont Su-35s have L-Band radar modeled on to them? With that they could spot F-22 at far longer range than 10 miles. That is severely handicapping Russians. And why do Su-35s have to use their own radars when they can pair up with S-300/400 radar and use it for detecting, tracking and targeting.
That was some beautiful flying and a lot of tense fun. Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll look into it when I get back from the Antarctic with Shackleton ("Endurance" by A. Lansing)
What's great about this sim run is that you acknowledge that the F-22 is a really cool airplane, but it is not magic. It has limitations. It is a tool and it has good and bad ways to deploy that tool.
Very unexpected mission ending guys. Great mission all around, aside from the almost FUBAR moment when Cap decided to see where the target was, but it's okay. This is a game after all, we don't expect perfect planning, but fun, yes. Love the low-level stuff. What you were saying Cap about the F111's etc, I saw an A10 once crest a hil upside down then roll out the right way. It was my first A10 sighting and for that manoeuvre. It was on a big exercise somewhere in the UK, I was on the ground.
This was so entertaining to watch! Without really knowing how things would go and watching as the "story" pivoted when things went wrong to having a satisfying conclusion as well as a surprise ending. This type of mission, at least for me, is much easier to both follow and enjoy vs the missions with dozens of POV. Would love to see more content like this. Thanks!
You seem to make major mistakes nearly every video. Pls try and prepare better so that you do better. It’s really frustrating when you do things like leave radar on etc. get the basics right pls. And you took too long to get there in a plane that goes Mach 2.5?
I happened upon a video where Capt actually showed his face (and mohawk lol) now I can only see the gyrocopter guy from Mad Max every time I hear his voice. #FutureSuperCapt_is_GyrocopterGuy
Would’ve loved to see effective time on target where you guys don’t have to expose yourselves the way you were forced to since you clearly hadn’t been seen until then, but that was some wild flying and topped off with the A.I. pilot defector haha
Regarding the stealth capability of the B-2 vs F-22... I remember hearing or reading that a B-2 has a much smaller radar cross section than a F-22 due to the fact that the B-2 has no vertical stabilizers, and something about how the exhaust is vented in a way that cools it better/faster.
Visual spotters might have informed the HQ as soon as you entered the Russian airspace. The Caucasus might be huge but it's not empty, the Russian-Georgian border is heavily guarded and the weather conditions were superb.
Yeah thats the reason why a Germán citizen landing his plane on the red square of Moscow in all the cool world. Really George? i dont know Someone to call The Army If a plain fly above its house.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA That was a small Cessna-like civilian plane, these were F22 jets with US insignia. Should I elaborate any further the difference between the two cases?
@@gaborbravo1 I insist, I have never heard, that people call the police (obviously not the army) because a plane, military or not, flies over their houses. Unless it breaks the sound barrier.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA I mentioned visual spotters and heavily guarded borders between Russia and Georgia = not civilians but military personell. I was hiking around that area (Kazbegi) back in 2017 when I climbed Mount Kazbek, that just happen to be right on the Russian/Georgian border and I have to pass many military checkpoints with passport inspections. Those checkpoints are there for a reason - to notify anything suspicious to the HQ. The Russian side of the border has to be guarded at least as heavily. Low flying US jets just cannot pass unnoticed through that border.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA Becasue it was a small fart of a plane and no danger. They saw it, that thing is just so incredible small and weak, that it can't even have much on board, becaue it would not have the range anymore.
Probably ppl that know me think i'm a gamer kid bit i'm actually a 48 year _ooooooold_ man who got his commercial pilot's licence back in the 90s and i say THIS IS AMAZING!!! ↑ Comment for algorithm + 👍 'd #OldManPaxus Rating: ☆☆☆☆ [ Edit: wait a min... didn't ur teammates both 'buy the farm'? So how is one of them giving you vectors? 22:34 ] 33:00 HAH AH AH AH AHA HA A i think this might have been my fav bit! 33:06 esp this bit! 🤣
I think the F22, being kept classified, can take down anything. The pilots aren’t even allowed to use most of their stealth capabilities in the field (unless strictly authorized). This really is still a top notch aircraft that is still very under wraps… even the bloody cockpit is still classified!
Another thing about the jet engine is that they're ludicrously inefficient at low speeds especially. When the tech first started to come together to build jet engines, all-metal airframes were in their infancy and planes weren't capable of flying fast enough to make any real use of them. By the time planes were able to reach those speeds, a lack of previous funding of research into efficient compressors kept them from being broadly adopted for several years. They weren't funded earlier because it was trivial to sit down with a pencil and paper and "prove" jets would never make sense because of thermal limits of turbines and flight speeds.
Hopefully this generates spurs some good ideas by the good guys - not just in the air, but everywhere - including in Russia itself. Putin must go. Thanks for making my evening.
I genuinely thing stealth will be obsolete by the end of the 2020's. The advancements in radar power is too big to avoid simply by making a plan "more stealthy". Like how would you do that? How much smaller than 0.1mRCS can you go? Unless your plane gets physically smaller...there's not much you can do other than to improve stealth coatings and materials.
I mean you can still get much closer before being detected, and even if in the future a stealth plane is detected at 50 miles (as opposed to 500 for a non stealth), simply having a weapon with more than 50 miles of range will mean you can still shoot from stealth. Things like the meteor missile, or the upcoming aim-260, can take advantage of this with their longer range.
@@Sir_Budginton While yes its basically always better it really just comes down to whether the benefits justify the massive cost. In that sense I agree with the OP that "stealth" planes really are overhyped. No plane is stealth its low observable, and is more of a "win more" situation. Even going by their video (which is very biased and I dont know how they could fail), you see that as soon as they actually come into view of the radars (with enough power to detect, ie the SAM and airborne ones) they are instantly seen.
Absent a war, America wouldn't try it. During a war, Putin would be flying military or have military escorts. So it would never happen. However, if the F22s wanted to do so, just for shits and giggles. Yes. They could.
Lol, you honestly think if we were to "overwhelm" them that they don't have the ability to retaliate in some way ? I know if someone came in my country and started sh%^&** I would retaliate in a huge way by obliterating your bases no matter hiw far they are and hit you with a thousand hypersonic unstoppable missiles. As an American I think these " fantasy" scenarios are fun to watch but hope we never become stupid enough to even attempt this against their hear of state or even as far as provoke the Russians. Sorry but these Russians are no joke and they're not farmers with pitch fork and can retaliate in a mega scale and retaliate in a mega way. And trust me when I tell you that the Russians are either close to either having way to break our stealth technology or close to it. Once that happens and with their superior advanced technology our raptors woild be wiped away like playing Nintendo's duck hunt
@@giopruneda7266 it’s a game. It’s also a very unrealistic situation. My question was only going to have them revisit this scenario in a different way. You can edit your comment and take ALL the ignorance right out of it. Thanks bud 👍🏻
@@giopruneda7266 also I’m going to need you to Google the SU-57 Felon. And before you say anything else about this there are radars that are very capable of detecting stealth aircraft. Those radar domes are placed on both mountain peaks and on top of their Navy ships. We have better versions of them on our Navy. Plus no world power has the assets necessary to attack American forces gathered and ready to fire. First it would be an act of war. Second it would have been detected and dealt with diplomatically prior to the first shot being fired. Next time before you let your little SJW fingers go off on a rant make sure you: know what you’re talking about, and ranting to the right person about the right topic.
A'ight, that was badass all the way. It had some awesome terrain slinky, it had a big _OOOPS, WE DONE F****D UP, WE GOTTA GO STRAIGHT AT EM_ , it had bingo fuel straight to deadstick on a mountain, _aaaannnd_ it had the most cray cray ending ever! Whooda thunk, the AI showed a brief flash of writing genius and added that defecting Flanker in at the last moment. I could not even believe that happened. Also brilliant was Damp, or Simba, whichever one of em it was, escorting the Flanker in, then proving the Raptor mod at least simulates TVC by pulling that instantaneous vertical climb we see Raptors doing at airshows. 😱👁️👀👁️🤟💥💯/💯 Freaken great job y'all, this one's gonna go into the DCS history books.
While you three were flying over the Villages over Russian territory, the Military Observers posted in such villages to spot this very terrain hugging enemy flying would be relayed directly to command through powerful military comms channels to the command. They would definitely do that to counter any terrain hugging deep strike Stretegy even if it is in suicide mode to strike high value targets. In real life I mean. In DCS this is lots n lots of fun 😀✌🏻❤️ and the AI defector Flanker was the Cherry on Top 😝😝😝 good one guys ✌🏻😀
This was the most daring and successful mission. Radio silence is a absolute neccity flying stealth. It would be interesting if it was Airforce one. What type of defensive measures are available.
I would love to see various sims using fictional aircraft: the Firefox MiG, any of the Dreamland planes from Dale Brown's books like the EB-52 Megafortress, the crank-arrow F-16XL from the Wingman book series, GIJOE and Cobra airframes, F/A-37 Talon from 'Stealth', and any of the airframes from the Thunderbirds Are Go tv show.
Might have made it home if you had tanks on the first leg. Could have dropped them somewhere In the trees before the Russian border and have a SF team clean up the evidence later lol
This reminds me of Project: Stealth Fighter on the Commodore 64, or, F-19 Stealth Fighter on the Amiga. It was available on other platforms. BUT the premise of sneaking into enemy airspace and jumping a priority target by popping up with a friendly AMRAAM hello was great fun. Completely fictional but great fun... especially ducking down, slowing down, and letting the pursuing half of the Russian air force blunder over you searching. The sharp turns would have increased your radar cross section and that was something I tried to avoid.
Amiga....that's a name I've not heard in a long...time. Sorry...it was the Star Wars references in the video 😉 No doubt you'd remember Matt Shaw's Figher Ace? Nah, you're into jets 🙁
It's pretty hilarious to assume that Russia wouldn't have short range SAM's and aa guns all over the border with Georgia, especially in the valleys. Also real pilots are likely to be a lot more competent that the AI, and finally I highly doubt the Russian Air force one doesn't have some ultra advanced countermeasures, likely some form of active protection system, flares, chaff, towed decoys and radar jammers. Finally if you do manage to get in range putin will probably be put into some sort of armored ejection capsule.