Because they are mainly using an example of what if gremmy had experience in fights to begin with. Gremmy was like an literally child who was bored, locked up in a cell for god knows how, and the only challenge he had was against kenpachi who hyped him up to the point he was straight up going all in without thinking straight or making any plans at all. Like they said gremmy had the potential to beat kenpachi, but his power while being extremely powerful it’s an double edge blade. He unconsciously visualize kenpachi as an monster, because there was no one who challenged his power straight up or question it. Gremmy used methods in the fight that could kill more ordinary opponents, like when he turn the surrounding air in kenpachi to water and then split the earth and bury him. Gremmy thought methods like that could deal against kenpachi, since he didn’t see kenpachi as something special until kenpachi slowly was proving him wrong, hence why he lost cool and started imagining his death. Gremmy then didn’t realize he was unconsciously powering up kenpachi even further by calling him an monster, basically making him unstoppable. Imagine you have the power to do create anything, and you do something that could destroy the soul society completely along side everyone in it, and suddenly the opponent you’re facing easily deals with that attack? You would be shock, while also in disbelief slowly making an imagine of your opponent as some sort of god. Any wrong thoughts can be lethal to himself just as easy as it is to imagine. That is gremmy’s power… So much potential yet such a big weakness as well.
No wonder this is so fallacious. They’re going off an experienced and non arrogant gremmy? Well that’s not true because they’ already mentioned him being in character multiple times. They’re just wanking the way he fights and how he uses his imagination. So they’re kind of contradicting themselves a lot in this video plus their scaling was wonky.
@@saitama...4959didn't (in the anime at least i haven't read the manga) gremmy say that he only accurately asessed kennys strength? And that it was just an excuse that gremmy made kenpachi more powerful?
@@finngodness From what i recalled, at the end of the episode where gremmy fought kenpachi. Gremmy himself stated that he in fact imagine perfectly kenpachi’s power, but he then also stated that his body wasn’t strong enough, until he corrected himself calling that statement an “excuse”. In reality what Gremmy didn’t state was that he could’ve possibly made an fitting body to use kenpachi’s power to the full extent. We saw that gremmy unconsciously was buffing kenpachi as he imagine him as a monster. Meaning, at that point kenpachi was unstoppable thanks to gremmy’s point of view. The reason is basically that Gremmy while being completely inexperienced, which meant that he never expected to find someone that could match his power or defy even what seemed impossible in his eyes. In the end he found an opponent who defy all odds against him, and overcome anything throw at him. That made Gremmy transform kenpachi into an monster. That is what i think so i hope it is atleast somewhat understandable.
I thinks shunsuis bankai is a GREAT counter to Gremmy. The bankai induced depression which could make Gremmy think self destructive thoughts. And the moment he thinks that it’s over for him.
@@J_uul the bankai affects hit him immediately before he has a chance to rationalise. He’d already be mind fucked from the Shikai games. Gremmy can’t just “nuh-uh” his way to victory every time, he’s mentally fragile.
For shunsui y'all are forgetting one thing his bankai induces depression to his opponents and that can really affect his perception Also shunsui, adult form toshiro,byakuya,mayuri could speed blitz him and go for his head, from his fight with kenpachi it is clear to say that he is not really faster and he lacks experience in the battle field, kenpachi as usual was enjoying the fight seeing how he never removed his eye patch so never got truly pushed back well until Gerald
Yep. Exactly what I said. The moment Gremmy starts having those thoughts and starts making them in to reality, it will spiral out of control. Gremmy will essentially self destruct. I feel overall, the weakness of the “V” isn’t explored as much as it should in this video.
Shunsui is the MVP here. Not only does his Bankai induce depression, but his Zanpakuto in general imposes its own rules on reality. He could force Gremmy to only attack when he calls out a color, or kill Gremmy instantly by making him 'it', or force Gremmy along the play of his Bankai until his inevitable death. I think a lot of people forget that Gremmy isn't the only reality warper here.
Most of these fights end with Gremmy SelfDestructs. Vs Toshiro when he sees an ice wave coming he would have a small thought in his head of “oh shit that looks bad I might get frozen” then he freezes himself. Every single thing Gremmy imagines comes true so he can’t for a single second doubt his abilities or he just loses
This is why Gremmy is one of best characters in this entire arc. Completely godlike power, that would objectively defeat anyone, put on a literal child that is just bored to death.
@@natehuncho1987than u didnt pay attention to the battle... gremmy wanted to FIGHT HIM! not just kill him off yall never pay attention and talk nonsense.
The thing about gremmy is that if anybody can make him doubt his own abilities like zaraki did then gremmy basically loses. I feel like captains such as shunsui, byakuya, zaraki, yamamoto, sajin, and unohana would be able to win since they either have overwhelming power or they have such a high battle iq that they could get a sneak attack in that could kill gremmy. Mayuri also wins with ease if he had an hour to prepare.
I think if mayuri finds out that gremmy needs to use his imagination then he would release some sort of drug that would comatose him and wait for the drug to take effect before he steps into the battle
The problem I see with this is first you're scaling this based off of his ability and not the actual character. His ability is broken in the right hands, but for Gremmy anyone around Shikai Kenpachi's level should be able to deal with him.
@@J_uulwrong, gremmy Imagination AP is based on his own energy, he cant directly imagine kenpachi death because he does not have the power to do so Launching a Meteor require he double his Imaignation AP which is roughly Country Level, creating Space required 6x Clone or 6x his base Imagination both of which severely drained him. so yes anyone on the same level or above Shikai Kenpachi can defeat Gremmy. turning Yachiru into Cookie also required Touching her to impose his ability on her and she aint even captain level which is why he never directly turn kenpachi into a cookie cause he couldnt.
@@wdadwdwdwadw8604In the cfyow Novel gremmy is straight up confirmed to be the strongest sternritter beside ywach. There’s no debate that now that gremmy can beat anybody except kenpachi, aizen, ywach o Richie I.
Kinda? The notion of Kenpachi being famous and "The Strongest" got to Gremmy's head which ultimately spiraled into his defeat. You can't just be Shikai Zaraki lvl. You have to also throw off Gremmy's thoughts in some way.
Y’all are definitely selling Gremmy’s abilities too high lol. Gremmy is as he said “The most powerful Sternritter” not most powerful Quincy! You have the Schuttzstaffel the Elite Guard and then Ywach himself. Kenpachi was the one who said that Gremmy was the most powerful Quincy. But Gremmy has limitations because if not he literally could do something like become Ywach or give himself the power of Ywach. Other thing that shows his limitations is the fact that he couldn’t think of a way to beat Kenpachi but by the way y’all try to explain it like he just can’t lose but he obviously did because if not where is he now? He killed himself but that was because he couldn’t figure out a way to win! And last to show his limitations he was literally locked in a prison because he was crazy like literally mentally ill crazy why did he just not imagine himself not locked up? And if you say because of Ywach then that goes back to the point of the way y’all selling him couldn’t he just get rid of Ywach? And that’s no, why, because his power has limitations lol! He can do “ALMOST” anything he can imagine but he couldn’t imagine a body that Kenpachi couldn’t cut😑? He pictured himself not being able to lose and what happened to him? Kenpachi may have more physical strength than a lot of Captains but he doesn’t have more reiatsu than someone like Shunsui! Shunsui’s Bankai reiatsu literally affected people MILES away, people like Ichigo, Askin, Orihime and Chad. His reiatsu was so thick in his Bankai it had Lille thinking he was drowning and Lille isn’t supposed to be able to drown he’s immortal! And y’all for some reason look over the fact that Gremmy has a legit mental problem and Shunsui’s Bankai literally affects people’s emotions by making them feel hopeless and depressed. Now imagine someone like Gremmy who’s already mentally ill becoming hopeless and depressed! Gremmy may win but y’all are selling him a bit too high honestly!
Gremmy is on the weaker side tbh. People just hype him up because he fought kempachi. Anyone fast enough can one shot him. Even gin could one shot him from a mile away. To imagine something takes time. Imagining anything to counter an ability is really hard and he proved that he needs 2 of him for the meteor and 8 for the Galaxy room. It's clear he has hard limits on what he can do . He can't fight more than 1 person at a time. He proves he has to focus on everything he imagines for those things to keep being real. It's just a cool gimmick and nothing more. Compare him to even Bambi or bazz b. They at least don't crumble in 2 minutes because they have weak mental.
@@moxrelated764 I think you guy's are forgetting that gremmy is impossible to kill conventionally his body isn't even real. He also never used volstandich against kempachi because he wanted to kill him using only his imagination.
@@moxrelated764 yeah, thanks for reminding that he had to clone himself multiple times to achieve certain amounts of strength! For some reason idk why but it totally slipped my mind maybe he used that other V dude he created lol. But that is true though that he had to use copies of himself to do certain things. Like had to use one copy to create an meteorite and multiple copies to create an opening to space. Like I said he is probably without a doubt the strongest Sternritter but when it comes to the big boys like Lille and Gerard he’s not it! There’s a reason that there’s the Sternritter and then there’s the Schuttzstaffel and the Schuttzstaffel is Ywach’s Elite Guard. And there’s a reason Gremmy is not in that Elite Guard! And it’s not just because he’s nuttier than squirrel turds either because I guarantee you that Ywach could and would keep Gremmy in line if he was that important to him. Gerard and Lille are literal Angels damn near Gods lol. And Gremmy is a child with an overactive imagination, a very powerful imagination but still just a child with mental health issues. There’s literally a hierarchy in the Quincy that shows who’s where. There’s firstly the Soldat the henchmen or foot soldiers, then there’s the Sternritter where characters like Bazz B, As Nödt, BG9, and others go, then there’s the Elite Guard aka Schuttzstaffel who work directly under Ywach because they are the best of the best and strongest of the strongest and Ywach trust them. And Gremmy ranks in the middle, the Sternritter! And again Gremmy never said he was the strongest Quincy at all! He literally said he’s the strongest “STERNRITTER” which is a big difference than just Quincy. Kenpachi said “if you’re the strong Quincy shouldn’t you kill the strongest enemy” I’m paraphrasing it was something like that, and then Gremmy said “I never thought of it like that”. So Gremmy literally shown that he knew his place because he didn’t say Quincy he said “STERNRITTER”!!!
@@moxrelated764Gremmy is on the weaker side? Lol When Gremmy summoned the Meteor, 2 of the strongest sternritters were shows to be afraid of it, Haschwalth and askin. Haschwalth who is considered to be the strongest right behind Yhwach. I think the issue a lot of people are having is that they are completely underestimating how strong kenpachi is. They for some reason see Gremmy lose to kenpachi and then think Gremmy is weak somehow. Gremmy was the secret weapon of the quincies. Just like Kenpachi was the secret weapon of the soul reapers. Shunsui basically sacrificed unohana to get the full powered kenpachi. The same unohana who would have smoked most of the other soul reapers. It was worth sacrificing her to gain the power the kenpachi gained. People really are not comprehending that. Gremmy was locked up by the quincies, Yhwach let him out to specifically try to take out kenpachi. Blows my mind people thinking Gremmy is overhyped when the dude has one of the most broken abilities in the show. Kenpachi is one of the few that would have been able to forcibly tear through space like he did. Meaning you are looking at just a handful of people would have survived being thrown into space and not instantly getting killed, much less making it back by counterattacking 😂
lmfao ya'll overestimate gremmy way too much. in no universe does gremmy beat yamamoto. "A battle between shinigami is a battle between reiatsu" -aizen, and the same logic can be applied with every character with reiatsu in Bleach. Gremmy's reiatsu just wont be enough to warp the reality of Yama's body. An example would be that Gremmy didn't reality warp or manipulate Kenpachi's body in any way such as turning Kenpachi's bones into cookies. Because Kenpachi just has that much more reiatsu than Gremmy, his body wouldn't be affected by imaginations like that (just like how Soi Fon's 2 hti kill poison had no affect on Aizen) but instead has to rely on other methods to fight kenpachi. Gremmy's reiatsu wasnt strong enough to match with Kenpachi's thats why he died. No matter how calm Gremmy is when fighting Yamamoto he simple wont have enough reiatsu to match and beat Yama. Same thing goes for Shunsui, I believe Shunsui can match or even have greater reiatsu compared to gremmy so he can also beat him or negate his body manipulating imaginations that affects Shunsui himself, so gremmy would have to reply on other things to fight shunsui with such as imagining a metoer or space itself. But gremmy would be caught in the affects of Shunsui's Zanpakuto which then he has to abide by the rules set by his Zanpakuto which would make the fight more even. And technically speaking, Shinji's Shikai could negate the meteor cos he can invert the direction of incoming attacks, and injury locations. So if the meteor is falling down, then his shikai could make it so the impact is above, in the sky and not on the ground. Shinji's shikai also has so much untapped potential cos in the novels he was training to inverse hot and cold..
A weakness I didn't realize that he had was that if he forgets something that he did then it disappears like he forgot that he made yachiru's bones all cookies and he bones turned back to normal
Mayuri would unironically make an anti imagination device in five minutes with a string and a paper clip. Also Pernida did more damage to base Kenpachi then Gremmy did for most of his fight LOL
Mayuri is probably a random outcome - Gremmy would try to kill him in random ways (since he’d have no idea of what could actually work) and if it takes too long to work he gets discouraged and loses
@@demetriussinclair4952You are talking about the man who turned himself into goo to escape from Uryu in his Letz Stile form? Mayuri will at the very least run away to come back with some bullshit to take out Gremmy.
He would get washed, by the stronger captains. He has a ton of potential, but he lacks experience. Also, he has to make sure to be actively thinking & not forget his thoughts. If you can make gremmy doubt himself it's over (I say you guys are giving him too much credit). Gremmy has no battle IQ He's not beating strategist captains like shunsui, retsu or byak
@@atpr3241 Retsu and Byakuya don't play around with their food, Zaraki does. They are going for killing blows immediately, for example - look at their last fights. Gremmy is honestly not smart
@@atpr3241 Byakuya's Ikka Senjika did much more damage to the 3rd strongest form of Gerard than the damage that Shikai Zaraki did to the 6th strongest form of Gerard meaning that he's vaporizing Gremmy with that
I think Gremmy's Schrift "The Visionary" is indeed very powerful but it quite clearly has limitations. It's difficult to point what exactly they are since Kubo doesn't quite say but I think based off the fight and also Yachiru's fight with "The Vanishing Point" we can infer that Gremmy's power although incredibly strong has some major flaws: 1. Gremmy's imagination seems to be limited to things that are concrete rather than things that are abstract. Meaning that Gremmy can imagine his body is stronger than steel but he cannot imagine that his body is "the strongest". Meanwhile Zaraki Kenpachi's ability to cut anything is abstract. It's not something that can really be calculated. If Gremmy tries to imagine something abstract like "I just need to be stronger than the strongest" his vision will apart because such an abstract idea can never be concrete. 2. Gremmy's imagination is limited to his attention span. As soon as he stops thinking about something he imagined it no longer exists. 3. Gremmy's imagination is affected by his state of mind which makes his power a huge double edge sword because if he imagines his own death it will happen. However that said I think in order to conjure something into existence he has to make a conscience effort. Which brings up the next weakness. 4. Gremmy's imagination is something he needs to be actively thinking about. In other words if someone were to get the jump on him and killed him he couldn't simply imagine he wasn't dead because he would be dead. So Gremmy needs to be aware that his enemies are there.
I think a really interesting situation would be if for in some impossible scenario shinji forced him to create clones then popped his bankai. Then it’s just Gremmy clones fighting each other which would be insane
the question is: Can gremmy imagine literally anything without limits regardless of the reiatsu of the enemy? Or does he have a limit? That being the reason he needed "another" one of him to create a meteor and more to create the vacuum of space.
There is a limit Yhwach to Yamamoto: "none of my subordinates is powerful enough to control your Bankai" the only beings in Bleach that have no limits are Reio Transcendent Aizen Transcendent Ichigo and Yhwach this was explained when Aizen was explaining hollowfication and transcendence Shinigamis have a limit but he found a way to expand it with hollowfication then the being that got hollowfied had a new threshold Transcendent beings then can go even further than that and continue to expand upon their limits
@Josh-ox6nu the replica is being created by The Visionary the Visionary is still the power giving power to this replica if he strains it too much then the same thing that happened when he tried to copy Zaraki would happen to Gremmy there is also the Reiatsu limit issue not even Reio Yhwach's Almighty can create Reiatsu and i can prove this since Almighty Yhwach created Ichigo through future manipulations (he reveals this to Ichigo in the final chapters) to absorb Ichigo's Reiatsu and boost himself even further if Gremmy's power was infinite then the series would make absolutely no sense and Kubo doesn't write like that everyone has a limit and unless they're Transcendent then they can't overcome that limit that's the entire reason Aizen started creating Hollow Hybrids and made himself Transcendent so that he could go beyond the limits he was born with
@Josh-ox6nu I understand but wouldn't these replicas consume Reiatsu? and wouldn't the new replica cost an amount of Reiatsu similar to the power this new replica posseses? that's why i explained how Yhwach "created" Ichigo through breading because not even his Almighty can create Reiatsu and Almighty is supposedly capable of doing everything since the future holds infinite possibilities such as a future where Yhwach uses Auswählen and revives Gremmy and then tasks him to create Reiatsu for him yet Yhwach didn't do that and choose a more natural but slower method to create Ichigo aka the amount of Reiatsu he needed to merge both worlds
Also, attacking Gremmy faster than he can think literally makes him fodder. You guys completely overlooked the dozens of Kido Byakuya could've used to constantly distract Gremmy and block his attacks. Not to mention the Bakudo he has that could block attacks based on line of sight (Zomari's release). A lot of the captains are speedster and strategists and since Gremmy can only imagine one thing at a time, there's no way you guys are seriously saying Kenpachi who literally only has his cutting power is the only person in the Gotei who can comfortably beat him. Yall wanked The V too hard on this one tbh.
Good point. Anyone that could take him by surprise with speed should auto win. His reaction time is slow af. Legit just a gimmick power. Strong but it won't save his live. Soi fon and even gin should one shot his ass. Not because they are stronger. He would just be dead before he knows it
If I'm being honest there are only 2 reasons why gremmy couldn't 1 tap kenpachi.. not enough reiatsu as his imagination is reiatsu based or his ego got in the way geemmy wanted to crush kenpachi then kills him most likely but its very likely that he didn't have enough reiatsu so he was forced to conjured up objects instead of forces such as meteorites I think this fact about gremmys heavily misunderstood as weakness
Dude just forgets Gremmy can make multiple Gremmy lmao, like he stated it is his greatest power and you just ignore that WTF Lets first question if Byakuka can even get out if hes trapped underground and underwater lmao
Gremmy does not have reatsu problems. The moment he created life anything relating to reatsu issues, became eliminated immediately. Gremmy has a mentality problem, and he's the strongest Quincy
Shunsui bankai and Shinjis shikai i can aee fucking up Gremmy bad. Urarahas smartass would find a way somehow. Not sure about Kurotsuchi. Byakuya, i feel like he could do it post Zero Squad training. Yamamoto......is going to be a repeat of Kenpachi. He will not be able to picture winning against a flaming beast like that.
Reiatsu negates gremmy's abilities to a degree. It's the reason he couldn't turn Kenny's bones into cookies or why he couldn't just make him explode. He can't just say "ice doesn't work on me". If that were the case, he'd say "swords can't cut me".
@@undary0uhe literally composes himself Why didn't he say "Kenpachi can't cut me anymore" "Swords can't cut me anymore" "I'm invincible" Or something along those lines? He was composed enough to CREATE A LITERAL COPY OF HIMSELF but couldn't impose something as simple as "I'm immune to swords"
I think there's a reason why they made gremmy's fight so short in manga and even shorter in the anime. He basically has 2nd most broken ability in whole verse (only after yhwach, and yes, i scale it above balance and antithesis). I think kubo would have even regretted after creating gremmy and i also think he was a result of improper planning and lack of time writing manga. If he had been given any more time in the anime or manga, there would be exponential growth in questions about how can such a broken character be even defeated. And thats the reason why they made in fight zaraki, the most nonhaxed characted in bleach. If he fought anyone else, that would have made him show his true hax and then it would be very hard for the storywriters to actually kill him.
Gremmy's ability is being extremely oversold here, he isn't beating any of the upper tier captains Shunsui especially and his greatest weakness is his own mind once you get him to doubt or stop thinking he's done you can basically manipulate is mind and he can't think your body is a cookie if your spiritual pressure is higher than his. And Shunsui bankai is reality warping it cant be nagated like that if he could negate shikai and bankai then kenpachi would have never won. All Shunsui has to do against his meteor is hide in his shadow and cut his head off he is a cunning fox that will do anything to win.
If Gremmy can’t imagine himself being as strong as Kenpachi he is not beating RG training Byakuya. Adult Toshiro is definitely winning. Shunsui gives gremmy depression and makes him kill himself, u were not cooking when you said his hax isn’t relevant, he can literally inflict the same win con against Gremmy that Kenpachi did (mindfucking him into making him lose). Gremmy’s ability is great but it’s not “I can’t ever be hurt by anyone ever because I said I can’t be” strong.
Reiatsu is the key here, because we have 2 possible scenarios: 1: The Visionary is not linked to reiatsu: Anything is possible, he just need to imagine it. Absolute broken, he could have just imagined a brick in the place of the of the brain of every captain and one shot them 2: its linked to reiatsu: Not everything is possible there are limits and you cant just go full god mode and one shot everyone. I personally think its the second one, otherwise kenpachi would be dead in like, 2 seconds.
They had to make gremmy childish otherwise he would’ve been THE strongest being in bleach he’s a living automatic “I don’t care” or “no you” or “okay this”
You guys forgot kenpachi fought gremmy with the eyepatch on. The Shikai strike in the anime is directly comparable to his kid Zaraki strength which was able to scar unohana but not kill her, Unohana is still stronger. Also captain’s and lieutenants can open doors from dimension to dimension, unohana, shunsui and Byakuya would be able to come back from space as well. Shunsui can use gremmys shadow to escape it as well.
for the unohana one it doesn't change much , since gremmy could still fight after the shikai strike but killed himself due to his body not handling the physical changes
@@youtubecensorshipisretarded dude Shikai grants the user an extra ability not reiatsu it also doesn’t amplify stats. Zaraki jumped up still in base and only unlocked his Shikai while directly cutting the meteor. Take unohana as an example, if shikai amped her stats why didn’t she use it in muken before bankai? Also aizen he was fighting the captains in FKT while using his shikai but since ichigo wasn’t affected by the hypnosis, ichigo was basically fighting base aizen so tell me again if not for the ability what amps do shinigami receive while using shikai? Yoruichi literally explained in SS arc that bankai amplifies the stats by a factor of 10 to the base and ichigo who is in constant release still gained a 10 times multiplier to his speed, if shikai was also a multiplier then his Bankai should have only amped him by a factor of 2 not 10 since that only affects shinigamis who’re in base. Shikai zaraki can cut anything even while with the eyepatch is on but his reiatsu is half that of base zaraki without the eyepatch. Shikai zarakis full reiatsu is = Kid zarakis. What killed gremmy wasn’t Shikai zarakis cutting powers it was eyepatch zarakis reiatsu when he tried to copy it for his weak body which was half his base reiatsu, unohana possesses more reiatsu than base zaraki with the eyepatch on. Unohana vs Gremmy will end almost the same but the difference is unohana will be fresh out of that fight due to her healing abilities.
@@_victor111 exactly he tried to copy zarakis reiatsu but couldn’t contain it. The Zaraki he tried to copy had the eyepatch on and was wounded to the point the bambis could bully him, that Zaraki was weaker than unohana both physically and reiatsu wise, unless you believe a fresh unohana would get bullied by the bambis lol
@@youtubecensorshipisretarded it’s always a metaphor when it comes to discussing unohana or zaraki. someone might start to believe they are the only people with unbelievable BS powers lol. In a series where guys like aizen, Gremmy and Yhwach exist the two most bland characters power wise must be the only ones who’s abilities are metaphorical lol Her blood that’s depicted melting them is a metaphor despite unohanas kido master kirinji having the same abilities due to excessive healing being established to decay flesh and her bankai is literally like his healing ponds, Zaraki literally says he’s melting lol. Zaraki literally turning to his kid self while slicing the meteor is another Metaphor not a description on power despite that being the entire reason unohana was killing and healing zaraki to regain his kid Zaraki suppressed power lol The skull reiatsu against nnoitra another metaphor when Yamamoto can create flames with his reiatsu. Everything about Zaraki and unohana is always a metaphor. I won’t be surprised when people like you will be saying Zarakis bankai is a metaphor lol it’s just his shikai blah blah blah But Byakuya being implied to have the power of his Bankai while in shikai by as Nodt isn’t. Shunsui casually reality warping is all understandable. Yamamoto Erasing and possibly destroying the soul society facts. Adult hitsugaya freezing concepts just another day. SoiFon shikai literally dissolving the flesh, bones, body… entirely just normal. Why do you insist on something you have no power over? Kubo is the author of bleach. Unohana in muken set out to help zaraki regain his kid Zaraki levels of power, is it that unbelievable that one of his best feats post muken would call back to Zaraki having regaining that kid zaraki strength? Zaraki being stronger in shikai or base post muken than kid Zaraki is quite literally not a factor since we don’t know how much the difference is between the three to stick to your baseless assertions, so it doesn’t imply they’re levels apart. (Kid zaraki, Shikai zaraki, Base post muken zaraki) are all relatively similar power wise the difference between them is abilities or experiences. Yamamoto in base tanked his own shikai flames that would have destroyed FKT alongside the other captains. Nowhere has a shikai power up been depicted to be levels above base shinigami stats wise the difference has always been in abilities and how they use them. Shikai zaraki is >>base zaraki only due to Hax not strength. Base zaraki is > Kid zaraki due to his experiences like being able to use his sword with two hands unlike kid zaraki. If you believe there is a massive difference in strength you’re delusional.
@@theoneaboveallothers im lost , what are you talking about? im talking about gremmy vs unohana or whatever was in the vid i dont remember well , not the bambis
I think you did unohana a little dirty. She killed kenpachi and then healed over and over again, and did not resolve to quit until he had finally killed her. I think no matter how much gremmy kills her, turns her to dust, imagines her bones being cookies or whatever, she can instantly heal herself and send herself back into the fray. Also Unohana was literally the first kenpachi, and even has the admiration and respect of Yhwach himself due to being from the OG Gotei 13 and still being one of those terrifying thugs from way back when. I think her situation would play out similarly to kenpachi, where Gremmy was so terrified and so rattled by her that he couldn't actually imagine her dead. Not to mention his mental fragility.
I think soi fon has a real chance of winning if shes fast enough with her 2 strike stinger. Yes gremmy could just imagine he didnt get hit by the first strike but as long as he doesnt know what its ability is he would have no real reason to imagine it away
@@erikknowles995 mine was more of a question, because I am not sure exactly how her ability would work against him. It's supposed to be death after hitting the same spot 2 times. So maybe just hitting his fake body would still kill him, since it is his reiatsu. I have no clue though
@@JBPVFL It wasnt in the anime, but they had Gremmy locked up so idk if he even has knowledge of the Captains like that or even cared to read most of it since he considered himself above everyone
All gremmy needs is a Xanax and he can never doubt himself again lmao. Or he can imagine a huge line of coke and all of his crazy coke ideas just come to fruition. Like imagine the "BRO I HAVE IDEA FOR A BUSINESS" cokehead friend had his powers.
I looked at it as there are multiple timelines and your decision forge whichever timeline. So it could've gone either way. Kratos dies by his son. Or becomes the God he deserved to be seen as.
I can only kurosaki, kenpachi and Yamamoto going up and winning due to their overwhelming destructive power. Ichigo bankai zaraki bankai and the most powerful of all Yamamoto bankai are just just op
Not gonna lie, this is more of a hypothetical rather than realistic outcomes. Gremmy was scared of base Kenpachi and thought he might lose just because he...cut steel? Kenpachi kind of gave him advice and time to regain composure. Yama, Unohana, Shunsui, Toshiro, Byakuya and even Komamura could rattle him, but they wouldnt let him adjust unlike Kenpachi. Mayuri and Shinji talk to much so idk there. Hell id argue Sui Feng would hit him, he would wonder what the butterfly thing is, then get hit again and die before thinking of a solution. He has a broken ability but is a terrible combatant. I doubt he has knowledge on the captains either since in the manga he was locked up
unohana fought a fullpower no eye patch kenpachi the fact kenpachi chose to use his shikai over his eye patch vs the meteor proves his eye patch is a superior boost to his shikai (its literally the full release of his spirit power). unohana should win vs greemmy.
Exactly, most bleach fans don’t understand the context behind the eyepatch. Not knowing that his eyepatch is his biggest power amp ever since Mayuri gave him a new eyepatch.
I think most captains can take Gremmy, his ability is crazy but he's pretty stupid. Anyone that can scare him, or make him doubt that he can win can probably beat him. For example if Soifon hits him with Suzumebachi and tells him that's an instant kill move Gremmy WILL imagine himself dying and therefore die. The same could be said about Shunsui's bankai. I think the only ones that lose to him are those who blatantly explain their powers (Vizards pretty much), or those who rely on firepower but just don't have enough, such as Komamura or Byakuya. Anyone with some serious hax and some brainpower can easily trick Gremmy into imagining his demise. We don't even know if Schrifts can work on the soul king but I doubt it, so Ukitake probably takes it with Mimihagi's help.
Yeah gremmy can't turn off his abilities or choose which part of his imagination will become reality so if anyone can make him think he could lose would pretty much win
You guys need to remember spiritual pressure levels matter in bleach battles. Example is that Sui Feng got two hits in on Aizen but his spiritual pressure was higher so it negates the ability. Gremmy is strong but high level spiritual pressure captains like shunsui would get the best of Gremmy. The other note is the lack of fighting experience as well as Gremmy’s focus on what he wants to create is a challenge too.
True but he isn’t using reitsu directly on his opponents but to manifest things from his own imagination. Meaning his only real limit is how own imagination and ability to manifest those things. If he is able to use his ability on a Kenpachi it’s going to work on anyone. But even assuming it did work like a typical ability the meteor he summoned was going to destroy soul society so in terms of raw power he is scaling to Genryu and the strongest captains in the verse.
God damn imagine Gremmy actually being trained to fight seriosly or having matured.....bro could literally of been like "I imagine I have the Almighty" and boom he'd have it or if he said "I imagine Zanpakuto don't exist" he could've been easily the strongest character in the show and let's not forget if he was more mature in the mind he could've just thought "I imagine your heart explodes" and killed Kenpachi without any effort......
I had a feeling Mayuri would make it through the ringer, Seeing him & Kenny fight Letter "C" really helped me realize how, "similar" the two are in how they "decimate" their opponents, you can't win against Mayuri or Kenpachi, you simply can't.
As far as past and present goes, Yama, Shinigami Aizen, TYBW Yoruichi, Post 0 Squad Byakuya, Kyoraku, Post Zombie revival/Gerard fight Toshiro (both Kid and Adult), Zaraki, Mayuri, and Urahara are the ones that can potentially win But out of that group only Aizen with Caja Negacion, Adult Toshiro with his conceptual power null ice and Zaraki can definitely escape Galaxy Room if he uses it on them. Mayuri and Urahara should be able to in all likelihood but we’ve never seen it. The rest get negged by it even if they can beat Gremmy in other ways You guys also seem to ignore the fact that Gremmy’s abilities are limited to his reiryoku/reiatsu level. He needs to multiply himself/his AP to do stronger techniques, he can be blitzed and his imagination can be out sped, and his durability can be overpowered to the point where his brain dies and he can’t heal.
You are right on the Reiryoku but you give him too much credit those most of those people will either definetly beat him and some even no no diff him there's also Ichibei being a negative diff and the other Zero Squad members who can potentially do him in too Zero Squad only went down after Yhwach Auwhalened all of the Vandenreich to boost the Schuztafaels just to give perspective on this when Mayuri "revived" Kira after Kira got oneshot by Bazz-B he did something similar by taking the Reiatsu of 4 Squad 3 *officers* (not regular Shinigamis but still) and giving it to Kira and this boosted Kira so bad that he went from being no diffed by a Sternritter to no diffing Shaz Domino (who had even been given a letter by Yhwach) so considering that the Shuztafaels got the Reiatdu of Almost all of the Vandenreich the Zero Squad likely went down that easy because they werent expecting such a power increase and therefore got taken down instantly despite having been dominating them before this
@@Dixie-Normus-True I was counting only the Gotei 13 and not Zero Squad. I do think Gremmy is overrated since people seem to think his ability ignores the rules of Bleach and don’t work on reiryoku/spiritual energy and just hax neg everything However, Galaxy Room can BFR/Remotely kill people stronger than Gremmy if they can’t escape similar to what would’ve happened to Kenny if he couldn’t cut the fabric of space itself
@@jocoolshow Gremmy's abilities like Meteor or Galaxy roon only work when characters dumb or made dumb on purpose most if not all Shinigami should be able to use Senkaimon provided they have a Zanpakuto and with that they can dimension travel just fine and Hollows can open up Gargantas Quincys could use the Shadow but this one is less clear
Nah, in theory, Ukitake could possibly be immune to Gremmy’s schrift via the soul kings right hand and his massive reiastu. The right hand is the very power of stagnation itself and that alone could possibly stop any changes from happening to Ukitake. Also, we don’t even know his full capacity for combat so it’s best to leave him out of the equation
TYBW Mayuri vs Gremmy might end up like Szyaellaporro, slow his thoughts until he stops thinking..or overpower his senses to make him die out off fear..not much he can do, sure Gremmy is smart..but not as smart as Mayuri, K|isuke, or Sosuke Aizen..they always go into their fights with plans for plans on top of other plans..
Facts. And his eyepatch supresses his power by 100x too. Making Gremmy much weaker than Unohana as he lost to a much weaker Kenny and was overwhelmed by his power with an eyepatch.
Y'all highballing Gremmy too much. The problem with The Visionary is that if Gremmy has a *single doubt*, he loses because the doubt gets imposed onto himself. It's not so easy as saying 'I can't be hurt' or 'You die now', Gremmy always has to apply actual constraints to his imagination. For example, he specifically makes his body harder than steel, not invulnerable because our imagination cannot create true invulnerability unless we know exactly how powerful the attack is. I agree with the lower tier captains + Ukitake losing, they're far too weak and non-threatening to really push Gremmy into a corner. Soi Fon maybe has a chance if she psyches Gremmy out with her two-hit kill, but if he realises she's going to end it fast he'll probably pull a meteor out. Shinji also has one edgecase if Gremmy creates clones of himself, but he'd probably blow them all up before they can kill him. Kyoraku does not enjoy drawing out a fight, no clue where y'all got this from. His two fights are long yes, but he always tries to go for the kill. They only go as long because his opponent can keep up with him. The numerous games Kyoraku has will keep Gremmy on his toes, and Shunsui is terrifying when he needs to be. He may not be as serious as Yama or Kenpachi, but his chill demeanour juxtaposed by his actions will throw Gremmy for a loop. His bankai also has an easy wincon by just destroying Gremmy's head. He has no idea what is happening, he'll heal up the wounds, maybe heal up the sickness too, but the final act will kill him because he'd have no clue what is going on until it's too late. Shunsui's bankai is broken, there's a reason someone as powerful as Lille was powerless to do anything against it, he couldn't even fire any attacks while it was happening. Byakuya has a lower chance of winning, but it is definitely plausible. He always goes for the kill quickly, never giving his opponent a chance to breathe. Keep in mind, Gremmy would've died to Zaraki's sealed Nozarashi if he didn't stop and allow Gremmy to recover. Byakuya isn't giving him that chance. If eyepatch Zaraki with a sealed sword can push Gremmy to nearly kill himself, so can EoS Byakuya with Bankai. Y'all are overlooking how much Zaraki drew out his fight with Gremmy to enjoy himself, numerous times he stops and goads Gremmy into trying harder instead of ending it, and the fight ends on Gremmy's terms anyway, Zaraki wanted to keep going. This is also why Unohana beats Gremmy. While yes, Shikai Kenpachi is more than what he needed to kill Unohana, again keep in mind that he would've killed Gremmy with his sealed zanpakuto had he not stopped Gremmy from imagining his death. This is also very contentious, and if Unohana draws out the fight then she'll probably lose imo. And it's in character for her to do so, so I'd give her like a 6/10 chance. The rest are pretty accurate, though if you want to include other captains, Aizen and Urahara also stand a high chance, with Gin and Yoruichi as like a 4/10 chance.
I think it's plain that Kubo didn't put much thought into how broken his characters were until after he introduced them, hence why someone theoretically invincible like Gremmy just "dies" because somehow Kenpachi is too strong for a body that Gremmy can't fathom. As for your arguments, he was only able to conjure very simple things in his Base State. In order to change someone's bones to cookies, he needed to make tactile contact. In order to kill Kensei and Rose, he needed to be in close range. Reiatsu is everything for a fight in Bleach after all, and if someone has a significant amount of reiatsu, he can't just imagine you to death; otherwise he'd just do that everytime he has a fight.
Kensei and Rose were also at death's door, it isn't as difficult to imagine them dying than it would to imagine Kenpachi dead. Yachiru has the form of a little girl, it isn't difficult to think her arm is as weak as some cookies. He needed to imagine a situation that would be enough to kill Kenpachi but failed to do so. Things that are more difficult to imagine are harder for Gremmy to bring to reality.
Gremmy lost almost the same way like in index against the guy who can turn imagination into reality. Making the user of imagination doubt that they'd lose by showing how ridiculous the opponent can be.
I wouldn't be mad at all if Mayuri was even bumped to a 7/10, without a doubt he's carrying some sort of virus that can just instantly cut off brain function 💀Plus with how cocky Gremmy is about his own strength, he'd more than likely wait for Mayuri to initiate things and would happily describe his own powers while waiting lol
5:55 interestingly I don't think this tracks with human perception + sense experience. Like I don't think it's that easy to just 'imagine' what it would be like if your sense of proprioception was completely reoriented. In a literary sense sure it seems simple, but your conscious experience is so tied to your senses that I don't think we're able to do that. That's like saying you could be drunk/high/tripping and then are able to just imagine yourself sober and boom you're sober. It doesn't work like that. You may want or wish to be sober/normal, but I don't think you can overcome the immediacy of your sense experience. Now gremmy could still just imagine something that's directly fatal happening to shinji. But since who posses this power is so important... Idk I feel like if shinji isn't fking around gremmy is just too arrogant and immature to understand the danger he'd be in if he doesn't deal with the situation quickly.
Shinjis Bankai would probably work against Gremmy - if there are multiple enemies of course. If Gremmy doesnt know what is happening, he cannot imagine anything to counteract thhat. Problem is, there would need to be someone else around that could beat Gremmy... and that's a bit difficult.
Great video but ngl I disagree with some of the reasoning used. If someone could pressure Gremmy enough to where he can’t heal himself or think straight, they’re immediately killing him. You just can’t give him time to imagine
See, while I feel like this video is mostly accurate, there are some serious flaws I can't help but notice. Primarily, Gremmy has a ridiculous power, but he still has a set cap, seemingly not being able to directly alter the existence of opponents comparable to or stronger than him, as he couldn't just turn Kenpachi's bones to cookies or something. And he needed to clone himself and by his own words double his imagination to use his strongest attack which is still taken out by Shikai Kenpachi with his eye patch on. So if a doubled imagination Gremmy < Eyepatch Shikai Kenpachi, then any character comparable to that form or stronger forms of kenpachi should be able to preform similarly enough to him on a physical level, which would likely lead to Gremmy eventually psyching himself out in the same way. That is to say post RG Byakuya and Adult Toshiro should wipe since they both preform as well if not better than eyepatch-less Zaraki against Gerard who is without doubt stronger than Gremmy. Byakuya has the power output to obliterate Gremmy long enough for him to almost accidentally imagine his own death, except Byakuya won't stop him from doing so. Adult Toshiro once again has the power output, but can also literally negate Gremmy's abilities with his ice. And then there's Shunsui, who would definitely have trouble with Gremmy, if not for the fact part of his bankai induces depression onto his opponent, which would effectively speedrun Gremmy into imagining his own death. All in all, Gremmy should still be above most Captains thanks to his scaling to Kenpachi, but Shunsui while potentially not having the raw output as the other captains mentioned does have a sure fire win condition, with RG Byakuya, Adult Toshiro, Kenpachi (Obviously) and Yamamoto all outstating and inevitably besting Gremmy more times than they would lose. Hell there's a chance every single captain that fought one of Yhwach's schutzstaffel should have the scaling necessary to fight Gremmy long enough for his mentality to waver and kill himself assuming they can't manage the feat themselves, which expands the list of Captains/Captain level shinigami that could pull it off. And of course while neither are captains in their current states, Ichigo and Aizen both slam and it isn't even remotely close.
Byakuya kills Gremmy mid diff the downplaying of his power is insane not mention his speed is far exceeds shikai Zaraki. We talking about the dude who obliterated the Miracles head like nothing
toshiro literaly froze a STRONGER FORM of gerard that BANKAI KENPACHI fought. kenpachi need to realese more power to fight a weaker form of gerard (which is why his arm broke) while toshiro flash freeze a stronger form of gerard. the way hax works in bleach is that with a huge difference in spirirt power the weaker hax loses or gets canceled out. adult toshiro should fold greemy hax or not.
Only thing i will say for Shinji is if Gremmy for some reason clones himself, that will be severak different organisms, meaning Shinji can use his bankai and then they exterminate each other. However, i think it's highly unlikely that Gremmy would use his clones in that situation.
Guys come on now. Gremmy's power has limits. For example he would constantly need to imagine being immune to ice. If he switches focus he will now be susceptible to ice. Also speed blitzing him is the best possible answer to fight him.
Gremmy's weakness is his own mental state, not his potential. He is childlike and has a very limited imagination and doesn't have any real battle experience with his ability because like he said no one dared fight him because of how powerful his ability was. He could've won against Kenpachi by just simply kept spamming the space ability while having multiple clones preventing Kenpachi from killing him completely with counterattacks. He'd win a battle of attrition.
Yeah he lacks experience and although his child like imagination makes him stronger if you just make him feel a sensation his not used to like depression ,anger , arrogance etc gremmy just losses to most people his weaknesses is own power infallible power kinda similar to barragan in a way
That’s what makes him so cool to be honest, he’d be the strongest if he had more experience but he’s just a kid. He’s just a sad kid who has to imagine his own existence
Mayuri was able to make a drug before that kinda stops a person from thinking but it wasnt canon but ik mayuri has a drug like that even if its not canon
I don’t think Gremmy would really know his universe is inverted even everyone in the bankai I had an idea of Captain Eisen‘s abilities yet still couldn’t do anything about them because they truly didn’t know… Just saying it could be similar for Gremmy
Gremmy was locked away so he has no experience but also plot was induced into kenpachi so that he didn’t loose, if it was a vs battle I think gremmy would win, unless spiritual pressures changes things he could literally just imagine that he didn’t exist, just like he probably could with the other captains
Gremmy is just a brain in a vat, I think mayuri will recognize it immediately and will use some neuro toxin to get rid of it. You put mayuri in outerspace he will have a space sute. 😂it's a simple technology after all. Only way I am seeing Gremmy winning is he immediately pulling the meteor 1st second of the fight.
it wasn't just a random battle between them though, it was to bring out the power zaraki kenpachi was suppressing since he was a child. She died when he became stronger than her
@@yeetus8870surely he was stronger than her raw power wise. But she was still more intelligent experienced and had access to the best healing kido around (which is a damn op ability to have). She basically gave up… nothing implies base kenpachi is THAT much stronger than her at all. The advantages he has in physical abilities, she more than compensates through hax and experience
@blahblahblah6898 wrong, this training was a lot more than just unlocking his strength, it was to also teach him sword fighting techniques as much as possible. Sure he might not have been more intelligent or know as many techniques as her but he was always stronger and better than her, that's why she died. Her knowing all that didn't matter because he would have even beat her ass as a kid and she knew it too.
Gremmy loses not because he can't imagine his opponent dying but because he WANTS to win. Sure he could simply imagine anyone straight up dying in front of him but that ain't the same thing as winning a fight and that's he fought Kenpachi the way he did.
Base Aizen meaning Shinigami Aizen? still Aizen Unohana is at least comparable to base true power Zaraki (weaker but still comparable) meanwhile in Fake Karakura Town Unohana didn't even tried to fight Aizen despite her arriving at the Fake Karakura Town at the same time as Ichigo
Keep in mind Zaraki had already removed his eye patch when going to fight Unohana, he had his eye patch on the whole of the gremmy fight tho, so idk if you can say that Unohana is weaker than a base kenpachi who still got the eye patch on.
I think it’s fair to say physical abilities probably won’t work. Anyone with hax like shunsui and mayuri May be able to win I wouldn’t count ukitate out so easily. We don’t even know the full extent of his abilities
