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@TheBrokenSword
@TheBrokenSword 7 месяцев назад
Apologies for the Monster can that looks like bad product placement, I just forgot to move it 😂😂
@annaroselarsen4218
@annaroselarsen4218 7 месяцев назад
Monster need a lotr can special edition
@gmdwill
@gmdwill 7 месяцев назад
I don’t think I’d care that much if it was product placement.
@cp368productions2
@cp368productions2 7 месяцев назад
I didn't even see it until I saw this comment.
@j-mc5201
@j-mc5201 7 месяцев назад
Drink me a monster worthy of Mordor
@marshalmattdillon1
@marshalmattdillon1 7 месяцев назад
​@@j-mc5201Haha.
@AdamKoskiTetrahedron
@AdamKoskiTetrahedron 7 месяцев назад
Morgoth isn't dead.... he's locked away, bound in chains beyond the Door Of Night: "But Morgoth himself the Valar thrust through the Door of Night beyond the Walls of the World, into the Timeless Void; and a guard is set forever on those walls, and Eärendil keeps watch upon the ramparts of the sky." A passage from The Silmarillion Morgoth can't be killed except at the end of days during Dagor Dagorath. As such he cant be resurrected.
@scottmccrea1873
@scottmccrea1873 7 месяцев назад
In the literal meaning of the word, you are correct. Metaphorically, a _reseurrection_ of Melkor's power and place in Middle Earth is possible. But, yeah, should've used a different word. _Restoration_ perhaps.
@teddybetts3254
@teddybetts3254 7 месяцев назад
I don't think that Sauron would have ever wanted to play second fiddle to Melkor ever again. "You had your chance, old man. Middle Earth is mine now!"
@logansfury
@logansfury 7 месяцев назад
My first immediate thought is: would Sauron WANT to resurrect a being that he would immediately be subservient to? His desire to be the lone master of Middle Earth leads me to think not. Secondly and possible more importantly, could a "mere" Maiar undo the combined actions of the Valar and successfully draw Melkor from beyond the Gates of Night.
@paulbrickler
@paulbrickler 7 месяцев назад
Gate of Night / Doors of Night is exactly where my mind went. Morgoth isn't dead - he's just exiled. So, how does Sauron bring him back? From my understanding, the only way would be to try to start the Dagor Bragollach - Middle Earth's version of Ragnarok. Or, would bringing Morgoth back be what instigates it?
@bayoubilly5176
@bayoubilly5176 7 месяцев назад
He could probably control morgoth now... Morgoth is literally a 1/2000th of his power. He used it all up and even the weakest good gods can basically kick his ass with half a seconds effort now. No one he gave power didn't keep it either. Literally everything betrayed him other than Sauron lol
@matthewgard1785
@matthewgard1785 7 месяцев назад
Morgoth was an agent of chaos, while Sauron demanded order. Sauron would not want that back in Middle Earth.
@logansfury
@logansfury 7 месяцев назад
@@bayoubilly5176 That's a good point, also Morgoth was pretty worked over by the god's before being thrust thru the Doors. I recall from the Silmarillion that he sued for mercy and they hewed his feet out from under him. It was never made clear how he would be healed from this to lead the final battle.
@bobdole7451
@bobdole7451 7 месяцев назад
Would the witch king try to bring back Sauron if he could? Sauron is as bound to morgoth as the witch king is to himself.
@chevin0
@chevin0 7 месяцев назад
the moment Sauron started making any actual progress in returning Morgoth to the world, Tulkas would appear and Sauron's last words aside from screaming, crying and begging would be 'he's right behind me, isn't he?'
@ptolemeeselenion1542
@ptolemeeselenion1542 7 месяцев назад
Tulkas: "I hath Vengeance."
@martron77
@martron77 7 месяцев назад
If Morgoth ever managed to escape the void and return, Tulkas would be waiting, the only Valar that he fears.
@mdp38883
@mdp38883 7 месяцев назад
He also fears manwe and mandos. He won’t get out, I’m order for him to get out, manwe has to order mandos to release him and that’ll never happen.. They already did once and look what happened. He can’t be free. The book is pretty clear.. there is no escaping the halls of mandos but by way of the will of illuvatar
@Cyrus-rodn45
@Cyrus-rodn45 7 месяцев назад
He cannot
@blackwolf4653
@blackwolf4653 7 месяцев назад
Tulkas Hammerhand
@nathanaelheil2818
@nathanaelheil2818 6 месяцев назад
I think that's why the prophecy of Dagor Dagorath states that he will escape when the powers grow weak
@Cyrus-rodn45
@Cyrus-rodn45 6 месяцев назад
@@nathanaelheil2818 he can never escape
@thomasbartanen8252
@thomasbartanen8252 7 месяцев назад
I agree with you that Morgoth and Sauron would be at odds with each other. However, Sauron was almost wholly subservient to Morgoth. Which is why he was a trusted lieutenant of Morgoth. If Sauron had his own plans and proclivities, they were done with the tacit approval of Morgoth. If Sauron ever did something of which Morgoth didn't approve, IDK if there is a record of it. I am not the best Tolkien scholar, bu this is my take on your question.
@jeffdingle9677
@jeffdingle9677 7 месяцев назад
ERU (Illuvatar) disappointed by Morgoth (a.k.a Melkor) expelled him outside "Ea" (everything that is) - another type of dimension. As an immortal spirit He can never return to Ea, unless ERU commands it. Sauron went the same way and no doubt met him again outside Ea. Now that would have been a meeting of minds.....
@AliothAncalagon
@AliothAncalagon 7 месяцев назад
The question is weither this outside is really just ONE other type of dimension. Two people can both be outside Africa and still not share a location. One can be in Norway and another one in space. Or the dimension "outside of Ea" might literally really be more like a lack of dimension. Just the way that not collecting stamps is not a hobby.
@oldbordergeek
@oldbordergeek 7 месяцев назад
bless you, i kinda dislike this Video for its speculatiVe nature. its "theory" sounds utter not tolkien-like, it sounds like a spiderman plot...
@eugenebelford9087
@eugenebelford9087 2 месяца назад
Hmm, maybe it's like the Q-continuum represents itself to humans: a run down store alongside a dirt road which stretches from horizon to horizon. And who knows if right now, this very moment: Will it be Morgoth or Sauron or Saruman who entertains himself by being the scarecrow? 😁
@mszalans4817
@mszalans4817 7 месяцев назад
I've got similar conclusions on this topic. Mairon once established Melkor's cult in Numenor. But I feel, such cult was just an utility for Mairon. As it was more convenient to depict himself as a god's emissary instead of an actual god. In truth, Mairon probably didn't want Melkor's return. Mairon wanted to preserve this world, althought measured, standardised and in order. His order, of course. Melkor's total anihilation would ruin Mairon's plans. So, if Melkor returned, Mairon would not be happy. Then, it depends on how many followers would Melkor accumulate. Mairon would first try to scout that information. From Melkor's Ring and other positions we know, that whole Arda was under Melkor's influence, corruption. So I guess that very large numbers of creatures including orcs, trolls, men and even dragons would rally under Melkor's banner. In some places, the very soil would be under his command. So, I guess at the end, Mairon would join him too, although reluctantly. Or he would surrender and try to pursue his own agenda under foreign banner, as he did in Numenor.
@FrancisFjordCupola
@FrancisFjordCupola 7 месяцев назад
Resurrect no. By definition impossible. Morgoth is not dead. He is cast into the void. And the LotR has some battle at the end of time when Morgoth returns, Dagor Dagorath or something like that. What really intrigues me is the link between the casting into the void of Morgoth and the forging of Sauron's ring. There are ties between Sauron, Middle-Earth and the ring itself. For example, with the destruction of the ring Sauron's spirit dissipates over Middle-Earth. It ties him to the world. Was one of Sauron's motivations to forge the ring to make it impossible to sentence him like Morgoth and cast him away? Did he fear that?
@joeybox0rox649
@joeybox0rox649 7 месяцев назад
Yes, Sauron will be resurrected. that has been my theory for over a year, but he can only resurrect Morgoth with the help of the two corrupted Blue Wizards. The 2 Blue Wizards will first resurrect Sauron, and then collectively, they will have enough power to bring forth Melkor, who will then usher in the Dagor Dagorath.
@TarMody
@TarMody 7 месяцев назад
Sauron bound himself to Middle-earth by making the One Ring. In a way, he hooked Arda. Just as Melkor attached himself to Arda by incarnating his spiritual power into Arda. Sauron did this only on a smaller scale. Melkor bound himself to Arda, while Sauron bound much of his spiritual power to the One Ring, which he constructed from the material of Arda. Sauron may have been influenced by his master's approach when creating his motivation.
@joeybox0rox649
@joeybox0rox649 7 месяцев назад
@@TarMody Please continue your line of thinking.
@DutchLabrat
@DutchLabrat 7 месяцев назад
@@TarMody But Morgoth is not in Arda anymore, he is bound by chains in the void. His influence and evil may linger in Middle Earth and even in the whole of Arda but he himself is out of it only to return once more where Túrin Turambar, son of Húrin gets to give him the final kick in the unmentionables.
@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615
@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615 7 месяцев назад
Saur-Saur was pee in the pants terrified that his boss ,that he helped and abandoned ,would return . Make no mistake, he is lesser than Melkor, and knows it. He is out of character taking the new dark lord crown. Excellent point, well said
@McSurviveGuys
@McSurviveGuys 7 месяцев назад
Sauron just needs to steal the ship of earendil, and the Silmaril, and bring back morgoth on it. The scenic visual of the Star of earendil crossing into the wrong part of the sky from the top of minas tirith would be epic
@rumham8979
@rumham8979 7 месяцев назад
All the power of Sauron and Morgoth combined still couldnt fix The Rings of Power....
@WiiMan1133
@WiiMan1133 7 месяцев назад
While Sauron was never innately as powerful as Morgoth/Melkor, there is some indication that he had knowledge of the world his former master lacked The creation of the rings was something Melkor presumably was not familiar with, and it significantly enhanced Sauron’s power, to the point where he was comparable in strength at the end of the second age to that of Morgoth at the end of the first age: a feat that makes him potentially comparable in strength to the Valar So yes, I think they would have been very closely matched. While Morgoth did pour his essence into the World, he had not direct control over it, and it certainly did not make him stronger to do so
@studentjohn
@studentjohn 7 месяцев назад
It's worth remembering that, although he personally was captured and exiled, Melkor/Morgoth's cause was partly victorious: He aimed to corrupt and destroy Arda, and he succeeded in the first, and arguably had a partial success in the second: Arda as envisioned ceased and will never return, and even the memory of it's original form is gone forever - except in Valinor which, partly thanks to Sauron (who continued Morgoth's work) is no longer part of the world.
@rumham8979
@rumham8979 7 месяцев назад
Why are you praising evil incarnate??
@studentjohn
@studentjohn 7 месяцев назад
@@rumham8979 Praise? My point is that Tolkien wrote LOTR as being set in a much darker background than people usually suppose.
@Alfador42
@Alfador42 7 месяцев назад
@@rumham8979 Because evil is cool
@rafaelgustavo7786
@rafaelgustavo7786 7 месяцев назад
Maybe. There is a version in the History of Middle Earth that Morgoth walked in Arda in the Second Age, but in Spirit: "But Morgoth did not come in person, but only in spirit and as a shadow upon the mind and heart, for the gods shut him beyond the Walls of the World" - The Fall of Númenor So Sauron, with the use of Morgoth's Ingredient, his necromancy abilities, could perhaps "imprison" Morgoth's spirit in a physical body. Similar to what Sauron did with the werewolves.
@oldbordergeek
@oldbordergeek 7 месяцев назад
omg you take that literally? shame on you..
@MohseenLala
@MohseenLala 7 месяцев назад
Did the valar personally fight in the war of wrath? They sent their host, but didn't come themselves, as far as I understand. Also, i',m surprised you didn't consider Melkor worship in Numenor was an attempt to bring morgoth back (he can't be revived, since he's not dead, just locked away).
@centralscrutinizer6108
@centralscrutinizer6108 7 месяцев назад
I know they were there at least at the end, because it wasn't them that cut his legs off and bound him in that chain he was wrapped in the first time they locked him up.
@luthandomdadane
@luthandomdadane 7 месяцев назад
@@centralscrutinizer6108 I believe that was Eonwe, the chief of the Maiar, and the leader of the Valar's host. It seems unlikely that the Valar would participate in the war, but have a Maiar lead their war effort. It also wouldn't make sense for Eonwe to ask Sauron to go to Valinor to receive judgement at the end of the war if they were already there. It also wouldn't make sense for them to trust a Maiar to handle Morgoth when they're also there. So it seems like the Valar only sent a host of warriors, rather than attending to the battles themselves
@PenDreamt
@PenDreamt 7 месяцев назад
Morgoth in the sandbox: I enjoy breaking other kids' toys. In fact, the word toy shouldn't even exist. Sauron in the sandbox: You hate playing with your toys. Come play make believe with my toys, over here- my life sized Ken Doll.
@lucusrose
@lucusrose 7 месяцев назад
I think you answer the question of what would happen if Morgoth returned. I believe Sauron would try to use his deceptive nature to rally all the races of Middle Earth to go to war against him given that it is likely Morgoth would be in a weakened state on his return, which Sauron would want to exploit. He wouldn't care if this new alliance could win, only that it keep Morgoth occupied while he gathered his own forces to defeat Morgoth. Also, he would hope the alliance against Morgoth would keep the Valar from immediately involving themselves, as that would not be good for him. As you pointed out, for Morgoth, it is about possession. Such individuals, once they possess what they desire are likely to throw it away as they turn their thoughts to new conquests. Sauron wants to mold and make Middle Earth, he was a servant of the greatest "maker" of the Valar and likely imbued with a "love" of the same, that he wants to remake Middle Earth into his ideal. I say remake, because he appears to understand that he is not THE CREATOR, and can only make use of what already exists.
@user-sd7ri9fy4i
@user-sd7ri9fy4i 7 месяцев назад
Nice work dude thanks
@manassurya2019
@manassurya2019 7 месяцев назад
I like to imagine how Morgoth and Sauron would have communicated. They would have had no need of verbal speech and would have communicated psychically, but considering how evil both were, just imagine how dark and terrible their words and imagery would have been.
@howardlanus8610
@howardlanus8610 7 месяцев назад
Given Morgoth is prophecized to return for Dagor Dagorath, essentially Middle-Earth's version of the apocalypse, I think the result would be utter destruction of everything regardless of Sauron's knowledge or motives or whether he and Morgoth would be able to work together or not.
@jacobdarling1524
@jacobdarling1524 7 месяцев назад
An interesting scenario would be this: After losing the One Ring, Sauron is too weak to take shape. But he can eventually regain enough strength to corrupt, possess or manipulate enough people. Then as a last act of spite he gets these pawns to unwittingly trigger a series of events that winds up releasing Morgoth and starting Dagor Dagorath.
@TheTableOfDurin
@TheTableOfDurin 7 месяцев назад
If Morgoth would return, I think after some amount of time they would be at war with each other. For Sauron knows now what it is to rule his own realm without someone standing above him. He would have had a hard time to be told what to do and Morgoth would have a hard time seeing Sauron as his equal and he would try to dominate Sauron like he did in the first age.
@Timenaught
@Timenaught 7 месяцев назад
I think it’s also worth noting that Sauron wants to rule, where Morgoth just wants to destroy. His entire goal was to ruin Arda. Sauron likely knew this by the end and I think his betrayal of Morgoth would have been not only eventual but inevitable. Can’t rule anything if nothing is left.
@TheTableOfDurin
@TheTableOfDurin 7 месяцев назад
@@Timenaught that is true, in the end, they want completely different things
@oldbordergeek
@oldbordergeek 7 месяцев назад
morgoth is a higher being then sauron..... did you read the simarillion? it giVes middle earh a lot of "laws" for tolkiens world.
@ozmozis6073
@ozmozis6073 4 месяца назад
If by using the One Ring, where all primary races: elves, dwarves and men were enslaved to Sauron, could Sauron launch a challenge to free Morgoth?
@simplicitysilenced3736
@simplicitysilenced3736 7 месяцев назад
Illuvitar could finally release Melkor in one last act of love for his son at the end of days. When there is nothing left to do but bring everything to an end.
@oldbordergeek
@oldbordergeek 7 месяцев назад
Melkor isnt his son bru. they were there before arda and the music....
@user-uq7io2os3r
@user-uq7io2os3r 7 месяцев назад
Morgoth was never dead so nothing to resurect and he will return on the end of time for final battle 👍
@MrRandomcommentguy
@MrRandomcommentguy 7 месяцев назад
I reckon Sauron found it rather convenient that his boss was out of the picture....
@tonyusa5509
@tonyusa5509 7 месяцев назад
Everyone forgets that Sauron is just a servant. Sauron is holding the power of the darkness, waiting for his Master's return. If he could help his return, he would surely do it, because he is corrupted, bonded to Melkor and his slave. He can't help himself because it is not for him to decide.. Are the Nazgul deciding what to do? No, they are slaves.. as Sauron is. As per the question on the video: SURELY THERE WILL BE NOT AN ALLIANCE... Sauron will be always on his knees, in front of Melkor
@kaidorade1317
@kaidorade1317 7 месяцев назад
Could he bring him back? Sure. Would he? No. Morgoth was all about destruction. Sauron just wanted order. Besides, if Morgoth returned, Sauron would have to step down and I doubt he’d do so willingly
@markstott6689
@markstott6689 7 месяцев назад
There's not a chance that Sauron could let his master back into Arda. Nor would he want to. Being only second in command again would hold little appeal.
@bobthedemon1975
@bobthedemon1975 7 месяцев назад
Arda was Morgoth's ring. As long as the corruption exists within Arda itself then not only can he return, it is inevitable.
@DCOloughlin
@DCOloughlin 7 месяцев назад
Tolkien had plans to bring Melkor back. Turin was supposed to be resurrected to defeat him.
@BlackKraken13
@BlackKraken13 7 месяцев назад
Be interesting if sauron brought back morgorth and they planned to split middle earth in two and we get to see a middle earth at the brink of collapse. Gondor fallen,Rohan burnt for example see guerilla warfare in play from the remnants of the fallen kingdoms of middle earth.
@bradwilliams7198
@bradwilliams7198 7 месяцев назад
Unlike earlier conflicts (War of the Powers, War for the Sake of the Elves), the War of Wrath didn't directly involve any Valar except Morgoth; it was the Maia Eonwë (Manwë's herald) who led the forces of the West. That's one reason Sauron wasn't forcibly brought to Valinor for judgement. Eonwë said that he wasn't permitted to pass judgement on a fellow Maia; only the Valar could do that. In some of Tolkien's writings quoted in HoME: Morgoth's Ring, he points out that Morgoth, but not Sauron, could eventually reconstitute himself and return to Arda, because his inherent strength was so much greater. Unlike Sauron's limited power, which was focused in the One Ring, Morgoth's power was dispersed into all of Arda. (My personal theory is the One Ring increased Sauron's power by allowing him to tap into Morgoth's power embedded within Arda). Tolkien also states that in the Third Age, Sauron claimed (to some of his followers) to be Morgoth returned. There are exceptions: the Mouth of Sauron knew and was allowed to state his master's real name, but apparently this was a special circumstance, and he only says Sauron's name to people (Gandalf, Aragorn, etc.) who already knew Sauron wasn't Morgoth. Sauron couldn't have brought Morgoth back into Arda even at his strongest (and as the video points out, why would he want to?). But Morgoth might be able to restore Sauron to a functional state once Morgoth returns from the Void. It's not clear whether he might be motivated to do so, though, as Sauron was demonstrated to have his own agenda.
@12bigredd
@12bigredd 7 месяцев назад
Sauron might of been able too break him out but he was never going too lol
@gerryarnold3691
@gerryarnold3691 7 месяцев назад
I think Sauron would recognize his superior in the Morgoth and would serve. He had his own land to rule while in Beleriand. He would continue to rule Mordor, and he would offer the rest of Middle Earth to Morgoth.
@jimmcleod7286
@jimmcleod7286 7 месяцев назад
The opposite question could also be considered: Could Morgoth from the Timeless Void resurrect Sauron now that the Ring has been dissolved?
@michelzwiers7742
@michelzwiers7742 7 месяцев назад
I think Sauron would gladly humble himself in the case of a return of his former Master. One of the reasons he was able to undertake his conquest was because the Valar were hesitant to interfere themselves due to the cataclysm of Beleriand, but the presence of Melkor would probably put the fear right back in him. While Melkor may or may not be at his strongest if he'd return, we know for a fact that Sauron isn't, given that he doesn't have the ring. And even when he had his full power available to him before crafting any rings of power, he was afraid enough of Melkor to more or less voluntarily relinquish Tol-in-Gaurhoth. Even if Melkor being there wouldn't dampen his spirit, I think the power struggle between the two would be enough to pull the other Valar back into the frey, probably destroying both Sauron and Melkor, either until Dagor Dagorath or straight up rendered "impotent", like Sauron after the destruction of the ring.
@fred20097
@fred20097 Месяц назад
Sauron would try to bring Morgoth back if he indeed worshipped him and was his loyal subject. Sauron did spread the worship of Morgorth throughout Numeanor and the east. The big question is whether he worshipped Morgoth enough to be prepared to serve under him again. Unless Morgoth was somehow greatly weakened, i cant see Morgoth serving Sauron, let alone being defeated in battle by him, Morgoth being valar and sauron being maiar. It's an interesting question though. Morgoth is meant to come back for one last battle at the end of days, but I'm assuming that doesn't count.
@andrewbarbarash3116
@andrewbarbarash3116 4 дня назад
Sauron wouldn't resurrect (rescue?) him from his shackles, regardless if he could (but realistically couldn't especially with Tulkas chilling out looking over his shoulder). They both wanted ultimate power, Sauron would always be a servant as long as Morgoth was around. The only reason I could see Sauron doing so is in an absolute extremely last resort move to stop himself being banished to the void with no chance of a return. If successful that would probably mean thousands upon thousands of years waiting, biding his time to get back into the number 1 spot again knowing full well it is unlikely to happen. Morgoth would be smarter the second time around and likely see Sauron now as a threat (despite being subsuvient) rather than an ally in the long term considering what happened since the second age. So basically... he'd do it to save his own existence without thinking long term (which is very un-sauron like). Only a non deceiving non thinking desperation move would make our ultimate ring bearer do this, the absolute opposite choice based on his obsessive mindset.
@olliestephens558
@olliestephens558 7 месяцев назад
What if Gandalf Aragorn and Elrond teamed up with Sauron to take on Morgoth??????
@venkelos6996
@venkelos6996 7 месяцев назад
I dont believe Sauron could bring back Morgoth, simply because I don't believe he could have approached the Doors of Night, and opened them. Sauron seemed to fear going to some places, as even when he was at his greatest, he understood that there were others greater, and his only advantage was that the Valar wouldn't cone for him, out of sone fear of damaging Middle Earth, even though Mordor was already a wasteland. Im rather sure that he would have had to journey deep into the west to reach the doors, and that was just too big of a risk, just to set free one who would seek to dominate him, and destroy everything he had made. Vaguely related, but it is a shame Sauron couldn't tap Morgoth's essence. When the majority of Sauron's essence became bound up in the One Ring, I feel mike it, in part, ceased to be him. Others who held the Ring might be able to use it, without his leave, and when the Ring was destroyed, that essence simpky dissipated; it didn't return to Sauron, so id assume that Morgoth's essence woyld be similar, and it's too bad Sauron couldn't sieve that essence out, and tie IT up in objects of power, or add to his own essence. And maybe he kind of did. Perhaps that essence was what made Mount Doom so potent, and allowed Sauron to craft the Ring, but with so much of Morgoth tied into Arda, and not coming back to flex his will over it, its too bad Sauron had to give so much of hjmself, instead of subsidizing some of it with all Morgoth's excess energy, which was already there.
@mattiasgyllstrom8360
@mattiasgyllstrom8360 6 месяцев назад
Sauron would only try to bring Morgoth back if it saves his own skin. Besides that, Sauron isn't powerful enough for the task, regardless if he grows in power.
@Abstrakt_YT
@Abstrakt_YT 7 месяцев назад
“Some how Morgoth returned” certified Disney moment
@Onslaught17
@Onslaught17 7 месяцев назад
He surely wouldn’t want too. If Morgoth is re-alived, Sauron becomes second fiddle. A substantial, vastly inferior, “can’t hold a candle” to his ruler, second fiddle.
@matthewlorimer7234
@matthewlorimer7234 2 месяца назад
Pretty simple answer for this really, answer is no. Sauron would not have bought him back as yes, although he was his underling, he rose to be the one in power after Morgath's defeat, and those in power normally dont relinquish it, so why would he resurrect his master, when it would make him an underling again, defeats the entire purpose of dominance through the rings of power he generated to give himself control, if he just broke past the door of Night and released him so someone else so they could control everything.
@juon5426
@juon5426 7 месяцев назад
Eru sneezed and wiped out everything to start Arda 2.0 but Tolkiens ink got smudged and Eru got stuck in a forever limbo
@ironcladstranger4559
@ironcladstranger4559 7 месяцев назад
What was this Chanel called before the copyright strike?
@Abstrakt_YT
@Abstrakt_YT 7 месяцев назад
History of The Ages I believe
@Jayjay-qe6um
@Jayjay-qe6um 7 месяцев назад
There's no way Sauron could bring back Morgoth.
@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615
@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615 7 месяцев назад
Maybe that's why he chose the Handel "The Necromancer ". I know he was still a tween but maybe he tried. Maybe the Blue Wizards stopped this. Maybe, the greatest sacrifice of the entire story...isn't even known. In reality this is always the truth. Well met Mellon, keep up the great work. If ever you need my assistance, don't hesitate to ask. ECTHELION!!! Your friend, Lord Storm Crow
@DigitalSystematic
@DigitalSystematic 7 месяцев назад
Pretty sure the only reason he is called The Necromancer was because Tolkien had already written that name in the Hobbit before he considered linking LOTR and The Hobbit together with Sauron by making Sauron the Necromancer. Aside from that, it's likely he's just called that because he was doing evil things in the woods with spirits and such.
@TarMody
@TarMody 7 месяцев назад
This requires multi-layered thinking. The most important question is, would Sauron want to bring back Melkor as the new Dark Lord? Even though their philosophical approaches towards Arda are opposite to each other. Melkor, thrown into the Void, must exist there in his spiritual form (ëala). Since the Void is a dimension outside of Arda, Melkor should not have an incarnated form there. Since Melkor is a fallen divine being, could he have the will to reincarnate in Arda with this spiritual form? I don't think so, because I think Melkor experienced the same situation when he was thrown into the Void as Sauron was when the One Ring was destroyed. Since Melkor incarnated himself into Arda, everything is shaped around his will. In this case, I don't see any difference between him returning from the Void and not returning. Even assuming he wanted to return, how could Sauron defeat Eärendil, who was guarding the Door of Night to the Void? What will be the Valar's reaction to this situation? Thematically, this return does not match the dominant theme of fall in Tolkien's stories. In conclusion, I think Sauron cannot and does not want to bring Melkor back because he cannot afford it for various reasons.
@marvinaregullin8854
@marvinaregullin8854 7 месяцев назад
They should of made another three but with Margoth and middle earth army killing him in the 6
@fred20097
@fred20097 27 дней назад
I think Sauron worshipped Morgoth. He served under him once happily enough. He encouraged the worship of morgoth in the east and in numenor. I feel broken sword makes too much about Sauron's desire for control. I believe that if Sauron had the opportunity to bring back morgoth, he would and again serve under him.
@IGathron
@IGathron 7 месяцев назад
It would be glorious!
@bayoubilly5176
@bayoubilly5176 7 месяцев назад
Considering he went from the most powerful to basically cowering from any butt kicking good spirit maiar even. Sure why not. He's barely one step above Sauron now. Shelob/ungoliant kept all his power he stole and gave her and he never got it back. In dungeons and dragons terms he went (morgoth) from "greater deity" to almost a demigod cuz he just kept spreading around his power and used almost ALl of it up on petty destruction in the first ages. He's basically a weak little kitten now. Sorry it's well established that morgoth squandered everything. He couldn't even go toe to toe with mortals like galadriel or Gandalf. If those two alone could take him... He's basically a nothingburger because of his actions and punishments.
@winterburden
@winterburden 7 месяцев назад
Sauron doesn't want to bring back Morgoth. Not any more than Frieza wants to bring back King Cold.
@mdp38883
@mdp38883 7 месяцев назад
He can’t, he’s is watched by earendil for eternity. Morgoth (melkor) can never return while the valar still hold the universe Manwe granted him pardon once, Sauron is but a lowly servant of the sheer power of the valar. Even with all his might and strength, he is literally almost nothing in the world of the valar. Morgoth(melkor) mightiest among the valar, has been banished to the void in the halls of Mandos and none may exit unless Manwe has given the right. His crown beaten into a shackle on his neck. He can’t return unless manwe grants it. And he never will.. he did once out of pity and will never again.
@greenling.
@greenling. 6 месяцев назад
Sauron cannot resurrect Morgoth because Morgoth is not death. Neither Morgoth nor Sauron ever die during the 3 ages. Morgoth gets banned outside of the world/universe and Sauron is just diminished. The better question is: Could Sauron have found a way to let Morgoth in, again. I think: no. Morgoth will find one in a far distant future, whether by himself or with the help of anaother Vala I don't know, but I can imagine that he somehow corrupts or cheats one of them (again)
@00martoneniris86
@00martoneniris86 7 месяцев назад
What if Beren took the Three silmarils
@rickdmitruk4478
@rickdmitruk4478 7 месяцев назад
If I remember correctly in the Silmarillion, Illuvitar states that Melkor/Morgoth’s ultimate fate and destruction was bound to Middle Earth and he could not be destroyed until the breaking of the world. I believe there was also a prophecy about Melkor/Morgoth would return.
@LorenLeonard
@LorenLeonard 5 месяцев назад
I agree, I don't think Sauron, if he had that much power he wouldn't use it to resurrect a rival.
@michaelingerslev4201
@michaelingerslev4201 7 месяцев назад
The return of Morgoth, would mean the end of the Valar, but i dont see that happening, i belive Ardar was ment to be a leaning-step for Melkor and that after he was banished Eru freed him and they whent on to the next leaning-step Eg Ardar 2,0.
@MartinCHorowitz
@MartinCHorowitz 7 месяцев назад
If Only Tolkien had writtena story about Morgoth's return.... Oh wait he did.
@Thufir42
@Thufir42 7 месяцев назад
questiion: why didnt faenor craft rings of power ... he should have had the power/knowledge to have done so
@elphiegleason3899
@elphiegleason3899 7 месяцев назад
I’d be down for that
@timroot4207
@timroot4207 7 месяцев назад
Thank you !
@paulbarnett5528
@paulbarnett5528 7 месяцев назад
I always assumed, that Eru and /or the Valar would simply not allow it to happen.
@wagon9082
@wagon9082 7 месяцев назад
Good video
@lungos1
@lungos1 7 месяцев назад
What if Sauron/Mordor invaded Valinor ?
@leonfairhurst7597
@leonfairhurst7597 10 дней назад
And what would the valar be doing while this was happning? Morgoth is one thing, but Sauron facing the valar, I think not.
@Stoynov666
@Stoynov666 7 месяцев назад
have u got video about MANDOS?
@ukaszdomin7469
@ukaszdomin7469 7 месяцев назад
Sauron would only bring back Morgoth to drain and absorb his power and hide Morgoth like Sauron was in the third age but Morgoth would be casted prisoned and all his power and power of Ancalagon’s the Black would be Sauron’s as the Dragon King of Darkness and his nine armored fallen King’s, seven Barlogs and a dragons such: Smaug, Scatha, Fire Drake of Gondolin, Glaurung, Dragon of the war of Wrath as his generals would easly conquered Middle Earth and that would be nice trylogy of sequel but Frodo should be the deciver which after put on the one ring he should become Sauron like Takua Takunava seventh toa in the Bionicle Mask of Light movie.
@cossackhetman
@cossackhetman 7 месяцев назад
I feel like thats what might have been intended in the New Shadow by Tolkien was the resurrgence of morgoths i fluence or a similar character/force from the Eastern lands.
@joemeatballs3694
@joemeatballs3694 7 месяцев назад
Maybe Morgoth could find a way to reenter Arkansas through the door of morning in the far east...
@badground3534
@badground3534 7 месяцев назад
I’m sorry I hate to be that guy but there are some things wrong in this video. #1. Melkor was defeated by the valar and imprisoned. The valar held a trial and decided to free him and tell him to stay in valinor. He left and with ongoliant and sucked the light from the trees thus the elves called him morgoth. #2. Morgoth was not killed but placed into the abyss where he cannot escape #3. That kinda negates the video because sauron is helpless in this situation because morgoth is no longer in the physical realm and is far outside of the reach of sauron or any other maiar or valar for that matter.
@musclethestrong1522
@musclethestrong1522 7 месяцев назад
Funny to think of a story in which Sauron is the hero.
@gagaplex
@gagaplex 6 месяцев назад
Would it even change that much? Morgoth poured so much of his power into Arda that by the end he was weaker than Sauron, no?
@BBEEYYAA
@BBEEYYAA 7 месяцев назад
I feel like resurrecting morgoth is out of his pay grade
@grandadmiralzaarin4962
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 7 месяцев назад
If Sauron brought Morgoth back, it would be a much weakened Morgoth. Morgoth would not be willing to serve Sauron and Sauron would not give up his position as Dark Lord after holding it so long. Two dragons cannot sit upon the same hoard of gold, they would inevitably come to blows in such a scenario as their end goals and personalities would make peaceful cooperation impossible.
@jefferymnewtonjr5596
@jefferymnewtonjr5596 7 месяцев назад
Sauron wouldn’t want Morgoth. Back Sauron would want and not give up control
@Caesar_1415
@Caesar_1415 7 месяцев назад
Lol damn, imagine just sitting there in a dark void lol yeah naww I'll be tryna break out on multiple occasions. 😂😂😂
@cambuxton6835
@cambuxton6835 7 месяцев назад
He could. But why would he want to do that? Seems to me like he is better off without Morgoth telling him what to do.
@MartinCHorowitz
@MartinCHorowitz 7 месяцев назад
I will blame this channel if this shows up in Ring of Power season 2....
@ghostdreamer7272
@ghostdreamer7272 7 месяцев назад
Morgoth wasn’t actually killed though, right? Just cast out into the void. And his “ring” keeping him still alive and connected. So no necromancy/resurrection needed. Just a return through the connection he still has.
@andiralosh2173
@andiralosh2173 Месяц назад
WWMD, What Would Melkor Do?
@cherub3624
@cherub3624 7 месяцев назад
Sauron probably wouldn't want to. But also, there's no way he could.
@MountainFisher
@MountainFisher 7 месяцев назад
I'm seem to remember Morgoth had dissipated most of his power by sending his evil into Middle Earth.
@Cauin450
@Cauin450 7 месяцев назад
Resurrect? Melkor isn't dead! He was expelled to the Void, not destroyed! Sauron's victory would expel the Valar from Arda and undo the Doom of the Valar as they would no longer have the power to keep Melkor out in the Void. The Void, where Melkor had already spent quite a lot of time exploring in his search for the Flame Imperishable. What do you think he was doing out there? A being who longed to create life of his own? Has anyone thought where the Nameless Things came from? How Ungallant, the Hunger of the Void, entered the Arda? Melkor is the answer! While Sauron was in Numenor, he made himself the High Priest of Morgoth and even offered sacrifices to his master, this suggests there might be some communication. If not, why didn't he make himself the God? Valar and Maiar are of both the Void and the timeless halls, after all. Where was Melkor's power based? The foundations of Middle earth! Why did Sauron choose to make his home in Mordor? Because the largest volcano in Middle Earth was located there? The largest upwelling of his Masters power in Middle Earth! I can't be the only one who sees this connection? None of the descriptions you have made of Sauron stated he was not loyal to his master. They state that he refused to give in despite defeats and the loss of his most powerful weapon, he continued to war with the world. You talk about a conflict between beings who are essentially the Dark God and the Dark Lord? It took the combined power of the Valar, the Eldar and the Edain to defeat Melkor, and a huge chunk of the continent ended up on the seabed. In the entire Lord of the Rings, the defeat of Sauron and the crowning of High King Elessar all happened without even one Valar present. The two powers do not equate. Melkor maybe a fallen God, but he is still a God, Sauron may be a fallen Archangel, but he is still not a God! Sauron is the most unselfish being in Middle Earth. He fights to restore his Master to the world!
@aaronkolatch5211
@aaronkolatch5211 7 месяцев назад
I don't think he would ever bring morgoth back even if he could. I think he wanted power for himself after morgoth left. But if he did bring morgoth back, he would probably fall in line and be morgoths chief Lieutenant, or General once again.
@00martoneniris86
@00martoneniris86 7 месяцев назад
What if Sauron slipped when he maked the one Ring and it was destroyed
@notsure1384
@notsure1384 7 месяцев назад
Even if he could, I don't think he would.
@Legionnaire_625
@Legionnaire_625 7 месяцев назад
Well, to "revive Morgoth" would imply he died, which he didn't. But his return would ultimately be the Dagor Dagorath, which Tolkien abandoned. Should Sauron somehow bring Morgoth back, I don't think there would be a clash of powers. Sauron was a servant of Morgoth, loyal even after his downfall and casting into the Gates of Night, deceiving the Numenoreans to become followers of Morgoth. Sure, both have the will to rule, and their command styles are vastly different. But I'm pretty sure Sauron would submit to Morgoth as he once did
@jprocha1570
@jprocha1570 7 месяцев назад
Would Sauron want to bring back Morgoth? Or does he just want all power for himself?
@jprocha1570
@jprocha1570 7 месяцев назад
But if they reunited it would be total destruction for Middle Earth without a doubt.
@christiangraff5236
@christiangraff5236 7 месяцев назад
He wouldnt want him back at all
@davect01
@davect01 7 месяцев назад
Why would he though?
@oldbordergeek
@oldbordergeek 7 месяцев назад
the theory is just as stupid as the images here. why are the gods depikted as greek heros? thats not what tolkien imagined... NORSE. so all armour should not be plated but chainmail.. if morgoth is free- (sauron does not has the power for this, he ranks lower in being) the Valar would get him. He has been sentenced and his faith is sealed until the end.
@adjarho
@adjarho 7 месяцев назад
Not even Melkor can bring back Morgoth
@joeybox0rox649
@joeybox0rox649 7 месяцев назад
Yes, that has been my theory for over a year, but he can only resurrect Morgoth with the help of the two corrupted Blue Wizards. The 2 Blue Wizards will first resurrect Sauron, and then collectively, they will have enough power to bring forth Melkor, who will then usher in the Dagor Dagorath.
@GamingTremor
@GamingTremor 7 месяцев назад
How powerful would Morgoth have been in his return? He expended so much of his power in his creations like Ancalagon and I don't think that is something that would regenerate over time. Also, I feel like Sauron knew his place under Morgoth and would not challenge him. It's like Muhammad Ali saying he was the greatest but when Joe Louis was around, he acknowledged who the greatest really was.
@morgoth173
@morgoth173 7 месяцев назад
Video 283
@funkybarany5086
@funkybarany5086 7 месяцев назад
first viewer and first comment
@Cyrus-rodn45
@Cyrus-rodn45 7 месяцев назад
Sauron could never bring back morgoth it's beyond his power. Even morgoth cant bring himself back
@RelkinsDCskater
@RelkinsDCskater 7 месяцев назад
Man I usually like your videos but didn't like the face to face parts😅
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