Considering that the squad that helps the Chosen One kill Horrigan survived the oil rig exploding this is probably a little less of a joke than you think
@@TheOmegaInitiative you can equip double the soldier with power armor, half of them with the full top power armor and hawaiian short and the other half with full bottom power armor and hawaiian shirt.
I have the fallout board game, lore wise, it's insulting. The information is actually from: Fallout Wasteland Warfare. It's a miniature type table top game like Warhammer 40k, maybe I would get it if miniatures weren't one of the most expensive materials in the world.
@Osmosis Jones Most likely it is just automation, as I went through in my older video about the Enclave master plan. The Enclave set up Appalachia to be almost entirely automated so that rebuilding after a nuclear war would be easier. It's possible there is some form of command sending them out, but I would say it's just drones.
I didn't actually give any reasons for the Enclave being in Alaska, I mentioned the navy might go to Alaska because it would've been hit lightly. But yes that is one the main reasons the Enclave would be in Alaska.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Also after the recapture of Anchorage and the rest of Alaska from the Chinese invasion force it is likely the most modern and reinforced military fortifications and operating bases would have been built up all over the state to secure better against a second attack, as well as Alaska having always been the main air base for the entire north Western U.S airspace. If anything I would have to call it out as really stupid plot convenience if the Enclave were not making use of the military infrastructure and security of Alaska's natural remoteness.
As much as i'd love to see an enclave aircraft carrier, Bethesda hates the enclave and will probably just say the bos took the whole navy out with 5 vertibirds and a few boats.
I'm sure there's a secret navy somewhere if they had offshore rigs than they have to have an alternate way to get there the enclave have to have the major hub center in texas near the gulf of mexice
Im more of the belief that the focus on vertibirds was because of the travel time by boat. You COULD make fast boats, but they would eat ip gas at the same rate as a vertibird. And the vertibirds Are simple more versataile
@@TheWanderer2287 exactly but the ncr does rank second best faction in Fallout but my first is The Enclave honestly I'm disappointed that we couldn't join The Enclave in Fallout 3 but in Fallout 4 I am grateful that we have mods that lets us do that
As much as I like the idea of a Hawaii Enclave, there is no way Hawaii is only lightly hit, it hosts some of the US's most critical naval bases. there is no reason not to order it to be annihilated
The population density is pretty low in Hawaii, and they are naval bases, so there could be many ships already out away from the mainland which would mostly save them from the blasts.
@@jakobinobles3263 the goal of Nuclear warfare is to cripple your enemy beyond the capability of retaliation. it's not wasting a nuke on a tiny island, it's striking the U.S. Pacific Command as well as her premier Pacific naval bases. In real life US Nuclear defense plans recognize Hawaii as a prime target for nuclear strike.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I like your second point obviously the US navy doesn't keep all it's ships in one place at the same time so there are undoubtedly a number of task forces and fleets operating across the sea. But to you first point Hawaii dispite low population density is still a key strategic target, US Pacific Command is based on the island chain as well as a number of military installations likely critical to the US war in China.
@@jakobinobles3263 IRL, during 1967 the US reached their peak nuke numbers at over 31,000 nukes stockpiled. I'd imagine that in the Fallout Universe, where nukes aren't as effective but the capability to manipulate nuclear energy is greater, the countries would have stockpiles on par or greater. at which point the Chinese aren't wasting a nuke on a tiny island, they are doing their level best to ensure there are no survivors, anywhere. And as others have said, Hawaii is a major military hub, and would especially be even more important for a fleet going to invade China.
I also did some surface level research into the American contingency plan during the Cold War, and the United States had a seaborne mobile Raven Rock type temporary command post during the 1960s, apparently they also had a specialized communications system to maintain organization within the army
1:18 Gotta stop you right here. Ron Meyers (capt'n of the tanker in F2) says "The computer will take care of the rest, if it's still working. It'll sail right out to the oil rig, and they won't fire at you because you've got the IFF transponder" implying that there are defences in place, unless you're willing to assume they'd gun down a tanker with their personal arms. Besides, Fallout is based on old Sci-fi, and that kinda assumes WW2 level of warfare with bits of atom punk and lasers sprinkled atop of it, so no fancy missiles/antimissiles/point defence drones stuff.
Vertibots, cargobots and the Kovac-Muldoon, all examples of computer technology beyond WW2 styles. I know they won't be using CWIS, but they should have something else.
@@arx3516 "Exactly, it's the lack of beyond visual range options that makes power armor an essential tool in FO warfare." ...What are you even talking about? Power armor is barely bigger than most humans. And there is "beyond visual range" options in the Fallout universe, same as ours. It's called "artillery." It just isn't that useful because of how armored and mobile power armor is. In fact, ironically, one of the best targeted weapons against something like power armor, besides some sort of guided missile technology which is questionable in the Fallout universe, is lasers. Even if the power armor can take the energy from a laser, it's going to get real hot real quick and it has a long range and it's the speed of light. I digress, but the thing that makes power armor viable in Fallout is the fact that they can actually make it work and power the thing and have it be as armored as it is. The fact that you're a walking tank that can take small arms fire like it's spitballs and carry crew-served weaponry is what makes it essential. Because, good luck making something that can target a human-sized thing at range and destroy it when it's that mobile and armored. "Beyond visual range" or point-blank, good luck.
@@SiriusG you would only get so much mileage out of scavenging, especially with so many ships, food requirements, and so many specialized parts. A better idea would be to scrap most of the ships for extra parts, leaving only a few to keep maintained. Less manpower requirements, less parts needed, less food needed
@@magmat0585 I would imagine that the enclave still has some production capabilities in hidden areas or ones out of the way of the bombs. That's the thing that I don't get about fallout, after 200 years there still isn't any heavy industry or manufacturing? Scavenging wouldn't be viable after that long and for factions to exist there would have to be a lot of industry to back it up.
Would like a good story of a enclave branch to invade or introduce themselves in F76. With being able to buy and use a vertibird and new enclave power armor. Like i base my character siding with BOS and repping BOS cause thats one of the strong factions my character raises himself in the wasteland in. Reflecting real life; you grow a stronger honor to a group you grow up or is raised around. Id probably make a second character if the enclave is introduced.
Something about this bugs me though. Navy ships often have to be rotated in for maintenance, so the need for repair and docking areas, naval bases, remains critical. Now, if we can assume China in the Fallout Universe wanted to keep America off their soil before the Resource War ended, that would mean they often targeted Naval bases and airports as priority. As such, Hawaii would have been all but destroyed completely. Alaska, and the rest of Canada if I recall, were all under the US Banner by the end of the Resource Wars. So Canadian Military and Naval presence would have been folded into US. That said, given the struggle for Alaska, I'd wager China had a good amount of nukes aimed right at it, and the nearby coast as a final defiance to the US, so it would be safe to assume that area would have been lost and severely irradiated. Back to the ships, it's not too much to say that the waters of the ocean would have been irradiated quite badly, especially with runoff being a thing. As such, not only would that destroy the ecosystem of the ocean and thus depriving survivors of vital emergency food resources, but also the added radiation in the water would likely have an adverse effect on the ship's hull. This, in turn, would mean the surviving ships could be out and about for shorter periods of time without repair and refit, never mind WHERE at the bases new parts or material would be coming from! Yes the Engines would be more robust than our own, but the hulls themselves would still corrode due to the salt water and other chemicals alongside the radioactive Fallout in the water. And I'll bet even the best American engineers never saw THAT need coming before the Bombs Dropped. Logistically speaking, An Enclave Navy MAY have been part of the plan. However without the resources necessary to maintain it/200 years worth of downsizing, consolidating, and ultimately seeing the resource allocation of such to be an unnecessary expenditure, compared to things like Vertibirds or Power Armor, seems likely. They'd likely stick to a few good, solid carriers, ones they could repair and refit and could carry their Vertibirds that could take them further inland with minimal risk to forces/personnel. Another point to this idea is the likelihood of other presence of enemy Navy forces during those 200 years. Unlikely it would be argued over time, and thus standing naval vessels would be scuttled to be spare parts for carrier vessels. Meantime, with no known Ocean Based threats, the gaze of the Enclave would instead look to the shore. That's my thoughts anyway, for whatever that's worth. Thanks for reading, take care!
Another thing to consider if radiation can turn a normal house fly and emperor scorpion into giant monstrosities, something similar could happen to the fish life. Imagine what could happen to a shrimp or a shark? Those lovely sea turtle would be a beast.
I like to think the navy had to set up shop shortly after that war as the ships were all in disrepair some making it to land to a surviving civilian port and others either sinking or being forced to beach themselves and become a costal base. Perhaps the fleets will be scattered of the hundreds of survivors Ming Navy ships maybe 10 or so are still operating in the modern fallout timeline maybe a small naval fleet split themselves from the enclave to become a good faction that are the hood guys in a story, maybe if there was a fallout New York perhaps the Statue of Liberty would become an enclave naval base where they are the hood guys that the game won’t consider the bass guys
there are only two remaing ways one could include a enclave faction in future fallout games a enclave navy and a enclave moon base shown by the battle of the sea of tranquility mentioned in the concord musem
We know that the Enclave is probably still around in Chicago. In Lonesome Road, EDE's audio logs mention Enclave outposts in the city. He was instructed to go through Chicago on his way to Navarro in case he needed repairs. Interestingly, Navarro is referred to as an "outpost" and there are "outposts" in Chicago. So it's safe to assume the Enclave has a strong presence there, I think.
@Trintard mostly because of the retreat out east as it implied they recalled all active enclave personal to those locations after the fall of the oil rig with only chicago being a still known and untouched base that is directly mentioned. alaska could have a base but i imagine it would be deserted as do to being the final battleground of the war it probably got nuked harder then nearly anywhere else and is probably a giant icy version of the glow. the navy and the moon would be the only unmentined locations that make sense to still exist and be unconnected to the remaining encalve as both are outside the contiential usa and unable to return home or in the hypotheitcal enclave navy idea whos existence forbids them from returning to shore unordered.
The US navy fielded nuclear powered missile cruisers in the late 80's. They weren't continued, but those combined with nuclear powered attack subs, ballistic subs, and aircraft carriers are pretty much most of the combat ships in the navy. And that's in our timeline in the late 80's. Could be far more prolific in fallout timelines.
Ill have to keep this in mind. Im still working on my factions for the majority of the US and one of them being a Texas Confederacy or Republic. I had the idea of them using iron clad warships similar to what we saw in the US Civil War as no faction really seems to have a foothold in the water department
you could give your Texas access to the USS Texas, a New York class battleship. and the last Dreadnought in the world. ATM she is located in Texas nearby Houston, but closer to the coast, and seeing how she is a battleship that is over 100 years old she would likely survive a nuclear exchange(due to her armor and not being to close to any major targets).
@@8vantor8 Yeah Ive thought of retrofitting and repurposing not only older naval vessels but modern ones as many port in the Gulf. I just like the idea of those iron clad warships so it could be something like that to welded as a quick fix sort of deal for the elements or incoming fire. Thank you for the thought!
Considering that the USS Texas is still around, albeit not in very good shape (she's going into drydock and getting VERY much needed repairs to stop leaking and issues with corrosion that are literally threatening the structural integrity of the ship), as was suggested I could see the USS Texas still being around then. Also? Battleships, although admittedly newer designs than Texas, were shown to be... disturbingly resilient against nuclear detonations. To the point where it was rather shocking how little damage some of the battleships in the Operation Crossroads tests sustained. That said, just like the "Atomic Tank" nuclear tests against a Centurion tank... the crew would likely have not survived. Animals in the battleships to test for radiation got significant doses and died days later. Although, if you were willing to have radiation shielding, hilariously enough chances are a battleship could actually be hit pretty close by nukes and keep fighting, along with its crew surviving.
All I am going to say is Fallout 3 there is a town that is inside an Aircraft carrier. Also people tend to forget that the Philippians and Puerto Rico still exist. And since the Washington Enclave was an Invasion Force it makes sense.
For a dream Fallout game where Bethesda can write and use a game engine that is on par with what we currently see I'd love to see a Fallout game where it's set in the Pacific with Hawaii and Alaska being two of the main areas you can go and the Enclave being a joinable faction. I'm seeing this as a Fallout game that has Subnautica vibes with giant mutated sea creatures and the Enclave is out in the Pacific using their Pre-War fleet to rebuild on these two US states and various US territories. I see this game also having a Waterworld-esque setting where Raiders act more like the Smokers and settlements being not only on islands, but man-made trading posts out at sea with scavenged ships. Hell the antagonist can be remnants of the Chinese Navy with what few stealth submarines they have. I would see the Enclave in this setting being a objectively-questionable "good guy" faction with others being various islander confederations that banded together like ancient Polynesian tribes, a fishing guild-type faction, a Coast-Guard styled Minutemen that patrol island settlement territories to fend off the Smokers and maybe even a faction built around the worship of these new mutanted sea giants. This game would also do something that Bethsda needs to do which is steer away from the Brotherhood. They've been too reliant on the BOS's name for games.
I figured they likely had a navy in the early days post war,but lack of real heavy industry on the oil rig would likely see the ships being used as housing until the hulls rusted away due to warships being both fuel and manpower intensive. Either that or the ships ended up in a less radioactive port and establish their own country.
As for the navy thing the Wikipedia page does say that they do in fact have a bunch of per war American battleships at the time of fallout 1 which is believed to be what's left of the american fleet and most likely the navy
Really wished that the enclave would’ve had battle ships in fallout 2 it could’ve helped led to their return in another fallout game like if In the ending of fallout 2 it went *despite your help in destroying the heart of the enclave, it’s veins still still circulated blood. Some of the officers stationed in Navarro ordered a mass regroupment of all enclave personal at the camp as they prepared their ancient battleships for evacuation, knowing that in their weakened state that they’d be easy pickings by their rivals of the ncr and the brotherhood of steel. Despite Autumn, a high ranking scientist, hearing orders from a new self proclaimed president Eden and its orders to move across the east coast, he knew better than to travel a couple thousand miles risking flesh and blood against new possible enemies to obey an order made by a machine. And that is why when it was asked where they were going to be headed, it was decided that they would be heading towards a place he recalled reading about in the terminals that are inhabited by other branches of the enclave, somewhere very north, able to be made easily on the oxean under the protection of their mighty battleships where no one would dare follow them, yet it would all be worth it as autumn told his comrades about the possibility of still remaining oils In this far away land. The scars of the world may soon heal, and the memory of the enclave might be forgotten, yet still, they have simply just left the building* This was a just a thought experiment btw feel free to tear me to shreds in the comments below
Wow, this is the worst thing I've ever read. Jk it's pretty lit, although it definitely has too much foresight, I don't think anyone would give that much information about the future at the ending of the game.
I agree that the Enclave are the most likely to have proper military grade ships, but I think there's a possibility of others forming a naval force of wooden ships.
What if there was an Enclave navy but it split from the rest of the Enclave sort of like how the Brotherhood Outcasts split from the Brotherhood? Maybe the Enclave navy could be a more morally acceptable faction then the original. This could possibly work because the navy would in my opinion have commanders with a sense of honour not just powerful shadow government members who lived above everyone else.
I mean just being in the navy doesn't necessarily make their leadership any less of a piece of shit. It's not impossible but just the way you phrased it.
As someone who knows a good deal about naval matters I’ve got a few comments. 1 while the nuclear power plants can keep ships going for decades that is only power wise. Ships still need regular maintenance normally following the 1/3 rule. 1/3 of its time is spent being repaired. 1/3 for training resuply and spinning up and 1/3 in actual duty. During a war much of this can be ignored but only for a limited time of a few years. As a commander of a navy after a nuclear exchange the primary objective would be acquiring dry docks that can repair ships especially the biggest ships. However these are also high priority targets for the enemy. This is part of the reason San Diego is so badly nuked. Most of the other options like the Virginia naval base or similar would likely have been targeted to a similar degree. The most likely to survive would be the ones that nukes had to travel the furthest to get to because more chances for AA to take them down. Think Texas. 2 the Panama Canal is definitely getting nuked. I don’t think this will stop the fleet from moving to the other coast because they should all be nuclear considering that cars have nuclear power but that kind of trip would likely be one way and only done if the knew a base was waiting for them with repairs. Basically I don’t think it would happen. 3 the most notable thing to me was they mentioned having battleships which they absolutely should not. Missiles and jets should make them obsolete but maybe laser AA is enough to protect them and nuclear shells for bombarding could be useful. 4 so for a sound course of action they would need to quickly acquire repair yards and food. I think the East coast fleet would end up in Texas where they could raid the Caribbean for food or make deals with local towns to use their nuclear for power in exchange for food. The pacific fleet probably checks San Diego and Washington and they are probably both deleted. Leaving some ships on station with the enclave the rest would scour the pacific for a base but only Japan or Australia might have something still left. As things break down they may need to take the risk and head East. Some probably break down along the way.
There is something to consider in this alternate timeline where the Cold War never really ended and crazy large scale nuclear/fusion powered projects are the norm: Floating dry docks/ship-based dry docks. I mean, even a ship the size of USS Iowa was and could be put onto a floating dry dock. Is it optimal? No. Is it efficient? No. Is it as capable as a regular dry dock/repair dock? No. But you could make it work. And, if necessary, you could do some serious maintenance and repair work on one. WW2 was definitely a testing ground showing that if you're crazy and desperate enough, you can even make some inadequate work. If only barely.
@@matchesburn that’s actually a great idea. Only issue I see is the actual dry docks needing repairs that and obviously finding parts for nuclear warships. They probably keep most of their ships in mothball the majority of the time because they don’t need them all too often.
In the concept art for fallout 4 The south Dakota class battleship Massachusetts is depicted on the river. Currently this ship is free floating museum. Frankly it was a missed opportunity not having the enclave or even the brotherhood claim the battleship from raiders or something
Maybe the Navy realized the Enclave's isolationism was a dead end and justt took all the fleet and headed for South America. Being highly mobile and armed, they'd seek out a pleace where they can build docks, farm food and where little resistance would be found. I'd belive the Navy still kept contact with the Enclave's rigs and installations, but was more like mutual asistance rather than being their subordinates. They would try stablishing supply chains between key locations, rebuilding and making Hawaii and making it their main Base, keeping contact with the forces in Mainland China, Japan, Korea and Taiwan. And setting foot on South America to farm food. If any branch could rebuild after the downfall, would be the Navy with use of the Marine Corps. Depending on how bad Japan, Brittain, Germany and France were hit, they could provide key infrastruture for a navy.
I love to see an expansion on the America Rising Mod and USS Eden mod where you begin a war with a robot warlord named napoleon who rules New Hampshire. You have a Assaultrons, Tankdroids and Vertibird Drone Gunships (in the older dragonfly style) vs Enclave Troops, various power armoured officers, Spitfires and obviously Naval fire support (eg Danger close). Maybe even contact the Mod author's and make it into a full spin off game (obvious wishful thinking lol)
Those would be the only naval assets left. Today most naval assets are either logistical, or made to support carriers. We don’t see many huge battleships lumbering around. Although bin fallout having a battleship or two wouldn’t hurt the enclave. They could certainly use them to great effect.
Well if you played fallout 2 fully you would know that the oil rig did have guns on the base but since the Poseidon oil tanker was marked as friendly since you had to get the parts to turn on the friendly Beacon ,their for the turrets being on stand by mode and not destroying the ship in the process
I kinda thought about the US Navy Seventh Fleet turned Enclave taking over the country of Japan after the war since that entire fleet is headquartered in Yokosuka
I'm loving these theory videos man. Incredibly well thought out and well presented. If they don't use at least SOME of your ideas they'll be doing it wrong.
So a minor hole I gotta poke into the theory you got is Pearl, Hawaii would be an extremely high priority target since it is one of the key bases in the Pacific, granted it’s relevance would be downsized if the USN did in fact use an all Nuclear Fleet, it would still be like #2 on the list outside of San Diego due to its dry docks and other naval facilities. I also have the theory that Enclave Naval forces could have before or after the Rig’s destruction either set up in Alaska, or Cuba, as both are very isolated places (at least for post war) where they can lay low very easily while still being able to respond pretty quickly should a threat show itself.
Now I'm wondering if there could be an episode made exploring what if pre war America was more advanced yet still suffered being hit by bombs. Or what if vault tech was able to build far more vaults than the original 122 vaults? What if they never performed experiments using the vaults?
I got the idea awhile ago for a Fallout:Panama game that starts out in shady sands that takes place sometime after fallout 2 where you join a trading company that’s constructed a big sailboat on the coast of california that’s planning on sailing down the mexican coast to panama to cross the old canal to find what riches lay beyond in the carribbean. Except when your ship reaches the canal it’s currently being run by the enclave navy that escaped the destruction of the oil rig. Your ship gets destroyed and your the only survivor of your crew that can interact with the different factions around the canal (remnants of the panamanian government maybe, or other groups of locals fighting to get the enclave out of there country?) and you can choose to try to fight for a way home or stay (with the enclave or the locals. This just kinda reminded me of that.
I've always thought that the Enclave making the oil rig their main headquarters was... very unwise. The entire premise of safety only works if no one knows about it and it isn't attacked, since we never see anything in the way of defenses. And, obviously, an oil rig is not that good of a defensive structure compared to, say, a bunker built underground. With steel and reinforced concrete. That's self-sustaining. That the Enclave were literally building hundreds of already. Plus, you can easily have more space in an underground bunker than in an oil rig. And it's easier to protect against anything getting in, whereas anyone in a fishing boat could just pull up to your oil rig and do whatever. Never made sense to me that the oil rig would be the preferred base of the Enclave. If anything, it's the very last ditch option they should've exercised.
Well in metro universe (metro 2033 etc) People on radios talk about nuclear submarines the day of armaggedon and that submarines continue attacking and others just want to go home and survive a lot of time because they could be submerged a lot of time and even fishing to eat... so... Im pretty sure fallout is not an exception.... the thing is we could see that? Because in a post apocalyptic World has lot of sense to have ships (because wasteland and roads) but it seems in bethesda fallout games every single powerful faction like fitness and super advanced weapons and armor but not vehicles for combat or logistics (i know its the engine) but even with that we had a super giant blimp which you cant shot down with mininukes but still not big ships.... I want to see a giant map like mad max bigger and with empty wasteland which encourage you to fix something like a highwayman, or a small fishing boat or a small balloon or blimp... but seeing bethesda asthetics (wich i love) we probably had flying aircraft carriers like the shield one and not water big ships cuz they are a bit complicated to animate, and physics. But still just imagine how cool would be the BoS in fallout 4 entering the wasteland ok their prydwen: WE ARE THE BROTHERHOOD WE COME IN PEACE! and then you see uncloacking the USS Misoury: WE ARE THE ENCLAVE AND WE NOT!
alright so hear me out on this: Mobile, Alabama would be a good choice for a fallout game, and before i get napalmed let me explain. mobile is a good center point for new orealns and florida, so it is a prime starting area for players when they start we have the Austal ship building yards that have made and are making many new prototype ships for the military that are ripe for a story line with naval themes and i think the south needs a bit of lore, hell if it was a dlc that would be cool to have Alabama in a major game, tho tbh it kinda sucks here lol thank your for coming to my ted talk
I commented on your hellcat power armor video a few seconds ago. The USMC would mostly be transported by the Navy. The Navy would definitely had been used in the war.
Great video, only thing I can think of is the Panama canal being intact is highly unlikely. But hey could be wrong. You probably just said it for brevity lol.
also possible that, after linking up and reestablishing comms, the enclave would send at least parts of their navy out to attempt to map out what was left of the world, see if China is still a threat, or be actively searching for areas free of mutations or trying to procure tech and supplies overseas
Sounds like a perfect excuse for them to have more surviving enclaves out there just about anywhere. Maybe they go by a different name, slightly different opinion, but would carry much the same feel.
I find it more likely that 200 years after the bombs fell, if the Enclave has any working ships, they are few and in poor repair. The reason for this is because while they may have nuclear engines, ships require technical know-how and thousands of individual specialized parts to run. Stuff wears out, even more so when salt water is involved. It would also be hard to keep so many ships staffed with crews that require so much technical know-how, and as you mentioned, the need to feed so many people. Not to mention, just because someone's military doesn't mean they're enclave. The rank & file sailors would want to get back to land, see if their families were still alive, try and pick up whatever poor pieces of their lives remained, not sign on to an eternity of service. A more interesting idea is if the enclave has people in space. Fallout 4 mentions that there was a battle on the moon, and Fallout 3's Broken Steel & New Vegas both have satellite-based weapons. Like with the navy, those satellites would need someone maintaining those for them to be operational 200 years later. Not as much maintenance, but someone to ensure they didn't get pulled from orbit by gravity and burned up in reentry at the very least.
Also I love the idea of a fleet still being around. The maintenance of such vessels would be hell, but could you imagine some Iowa Class vessels or such just chilling in the pacific. This also raised the question on what ship designs would be popular in fallout. I'd imagine late ww2 designs like the iowa class, montana class, and alaska classes pf ships would sort of continue on and inspire whatever new classes of ships that come next. Also, I wonder how the sentury bot on uss constitution would factor into this fleet? Is ironsides technically serving the enclave
id imagine the old ww2 battleships like the iowa class would be extensively retrofitted and modernized like other moth ball fleet ships and used for defending the homeland while the more advanced warships were deployed to the front in china. so kinda like our own real life USS Missouri modernized with cruise missiles and guided AA / CWIS batteries only nuclear powered and alot more directed energy weapons like laser and plasma batteries to compliment its AA, fire support, and anti ship capabilities. Hell imagine a Fallout laser version of a modern day CWIS thats nuts. basically this but either laser or plasma based ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zsf38NYzo5Q.html
The fleets out in the Pacific would probably try to sail for the most remote and strategically useless islands out there. Perhaps venturing to micronesia or Pitcarin island. Those islands are likely to be intact and "only" impacted by the nuclear winter. The soldiers of the ships could have tried to survive on the islands. Anchoring in a safe harbour/beach the ships and live in and next to them (electrically) fed by the nuclear reactors.
That would make for a pirates of the Caribbean type game if they set it in Florida where you are fighting the enclave navy as they try to settle it and offshore by building islands.
Well, i'm preparing a Fallout Pen and Paper game and the players vault will be a Ship Vault, a semi sumersible cruise ship converted in a vault. Add a Enclave Navy or their remains could be interesting
I doubt there are subs because the tanker doesn't get blown up in game, but it would be awesome if there were nuclear sub and carrier fleets roaming the sea. Maintenance would be tricky, but seeing as the enclave had fabricators I think they'd be okay. Maybe they'd make aquatic power armor with an air bladder or something.
Update: YES! We have confirmation, or at least, leaked confirmation. At the time of this comment being posted, the PTS server for the next F76 expansion, Skyline Valley, released. At the location of Rapidan Camp, players could glitch into the presidential bunker located underneath. In the command center, there's a list of locations we know to be of the Enclave. The Oil Rig, Raven Rock, and one that stood out of the group since we haven't seen it yet. Norfolk Naval Base. The existence of an Enclave installation in a Naval base is HUGE! Mainly since this confirms that yes, the Enclave have a Navy.
It's possible there's an entire world of flotillas in fallouts waters but they like to stay clear of of coastlines and only dock at still functioning dry docks for maintenance
The Panama canal must've been destroyed, because it is a VERY strategic point in the Americas, altho I don't think it would be a problem for a nuclear-powered fleet to go around the long way. Then they could encounter the supposedly many survivors of south America. But at this point this is pure speculation of what I think are important targets and how the world turned out..
Yes. Same for brotherhood after fallout 76. SPOILER Roger Maxson was contacting and taking in military survivors. As we saw with the Appalachian BoS there are factions of BoS sepperated by large distances. It’s likely atleast some navy or coastguard joined the BoS. Probably the same was happening with the enclave. I’m sure they contacted some surviving officers with some ships that survived.
When the Republic of China fell to Mao, they retreated to Taiwan. I wonder if Hawaii and Pearl Harbor there might host something interesting (assuming it wasn't nuked to oblivion).
It's possible whats left of the navy got destroyed with the enclave oil rig After 200ish years and without a proper maintenance crew which what the enclave would have simply no one can help make the ships operable And I could imagine rements of the US navy or any countries navy really didn't last longer than 30-50 years without command and supplies
In the Art of Fallout4 there is a rather striking full color picture of a US Navy fallout-style warship (i.e., tumblehome bow, etc.), probably a destroyer. The armament seems a bit weak, probable CPR (vice EMag or Laser/Plasma) guns.
indeed ..... they would also have to deal with local forces harassing them too as im pretty sure most people in south America would be pissed about china and the us going nuclear. their militaries and navies while meager in comparison to the US navy would have the greatest odds of survival as i doubt many nukes if any were even targeted at S. America. they would be a real pain in the ass for any US navy from the east coast trying to link up with the 3rd fleet by going the long way around seeing as the canal would be the only real strategic nuke target for the chines in that part of the world and thus not usable in any way.
My personal head cannon has me believe the enclave would use the navy as a colonizing and cleaning force in Hawaii. Hawaii would be a “test ground” for the enclave retaking the states. So for my enclave loving head cannon. The enclave is in control of Hawaii with their fleet and are making new plans with the government and army command gone
I hope in fallout 76 we get a dlc of the enclave in it’s prime and we get to see them when they are at their strongest and we either can side with them and betray the brotherhood, stay neutral, or just try and kill them with the brotherhood and depending on what side u choose u get exclusive expeditions like the Pitt but maybe one with the rig or one at Washington or maybe new places
no matter what i feel like enclave Navy can be the perfect plot hook for an Fallout title outside the US, this and Major Airforce bases outside the US which are probably around in the Fallout Universe simply because of logistics make them necessary
Logistically the enclave couldn’t have a real navy at all as they are let’s say 8000 strong (6000 total personnel on the oil rig, 2000 of which are soldiers including those spread out in New California) in F2 (probably about 600 by F3; it takes that much to man a small ship today), while in sci fi terms it’s more realistic to rely on automated transports large and small in a rigid system (the tanker). They might have used smaller amphibious assault ships for the vertibird fleet with 2 helicopters and about 30 men per ship on part-time deployments. Some agents and autonomous units on the coast would operate with salvaged vessels of varying size as many on the coast would. The Fallout universe does have fully automated controls in vessels (again, the tanker). They still need to build, man and maintain them and supporting ships, though. And I doubt they have enough nuclear fuel for them all. An actual post war navy would still be impossible
Okay, Hawaii (in reality Oahu is the major US naval base in the Pacific, with major operations in Asia it's likely Hawaii, as in the big island, is also playing host to airforce and army bases) and the Panama Canal would be high priority targets during Fallout's nuclear war. I'd be inclined to suggest surviving US Atlantic naval forces would instead rally to Puerto Rico or the US Virgin Islands.
Would be really cool if the a group of enclave and the rest of the navy were just chilling up in anchorage. I would like to see them again, perhaps not as the mustache twirling villains this go around, I like a bit of moral gray.
Could definitely see an enclave navy picking up where the rest of the enclave left off in a new fallout game, assuming they threw together some hydroponics onboard to feed the crew. Could be a turnaround for the enclave, adapting to the new ways of the wasteland and coming to it not as an enemy but as a friend-- I know it's standard enclave stuff but playing the generic evil genocidal bad guy card for the 3rd game when it's extremely obvious their strategy isn't working would also be pretty dumb. A fight between the brotherhood and enclave could break out again, building off FO4's disastrous eastern brotherhood to maybe serve as a major antagonist, with elder maxson having driven them to be a much more radical faction, destroying any signs of progress or advanced technology deemed as "dangerous" or trying to stow it away for themselves, having smashed the minutemen, the railroad and the institute and actually using some primitive reverse engineered synths as soldiers or spies. It would be the same conflict fallout has seen a million times by now-- Just flipped on it's head.
Lol this fit perfectly with what im doing in my modded fallout 4 i have a small fleet with an aircraft carreir mod on the coast of the commonwealth the aircraft carreir is apart of my reformed splinter faction enclave group its their main base it has lots of vertibirds and enclave personel
I don't see why there ISN'T One. Even though They have Vertibirds and an Air Force that can cover the globe without much in the way of Resistance, I don't see why they don't operate a Fleet of Aircraft Carriers to service those vertibirds on Long-Haul Flights, and have a Smaller Fleet of Warships to Guard those? If they Did Have a naval force, most their ships are probably holdovers from the original US Navy.
How the devil would they get the fuel if regular well they are on an oil rig but nuclear more likely would be all used up and impossible to find more fuel
if the US navy remained that intact the enclave most likely had command over them as since the enclave was made up of all the top leaders of the government I would assume some of those leaders would be some of the high command of both the army and navy but I see why Bethesda has ignored the navy as if the enclave is in possession of 100 ships odds are one of those is some kind of battleship or some kind of ground support ship so based off that fallout 3 would be over easily as a battleship with it's huge 13 inch guns could wipe out liberty prime and the citadel also odds are those fleets have aircraft carriers which probably still have jets or ground attack planes like bombers or something so the enclave easily wins in almost any battle with the navy
The U.S Navy of Fallout is actually mentioned fairly often. A Navy would be responsible for actually deploying nuclear weapons if it ever came to that irl, so in Fallout it's safe to assume that's the case in Fallout too.
The extreme maintenance, manpower, and resources that it takes to maintain a single warship, not to mention an entire fleet, is ridiculous. The chance that even 1 pre-war military warship would stay operational for more than 1 or 2 years after the bombs fell is as close to 0 as humanly possible. If the enclave had a fleet pre-war, they definitely didn't post-war
If Bethesda chooses to bring the Enclave back (post Oil Rig or post RavenRock), they should be as a broken faction. I’d love to see a small town made up of Enclave civilians. They wouldn’t be soldiers, just farmers and traders. They should be symbolic of the fact that the Enclave is done, the wars are over and Old America is dead.
