Counter Strike's Graphics VS its Gameplay 

Dear Philip, please dont use this song at 0:00 , I cannot stand it, everytime i start to get anxious and have to pause the video. Thanks

I wonder if there’s a separate upload of it

Womp womp ​@@sternwayprovider

​@@sternwayprovider Lmao, I usually don't have these issues - but damn this audio boosted version with high volume startled me.

It's fluffykins theme in my head

And the occasional chicken

What maps did he make?

Yeah, competition is stiff with CS:GO, and somehow even more so with CS2. If you want a legitimate fighting chance, you're better off in TF2, but even then that's losing it's "one-man-army" status with the advent of Vscript.

I am a life time mapper, and I can relate. The whole problem is actually Valve and how they're positioned as curator. The community makes it very clear what maps they love, they get played. For whatever reason Valve tells the community a map still isn't good enough. Valve's "standard of quality" is antithetical to where we came from. There is nothing wrong with an orange map being an official Valve map so long as it is played and loved by the community. As a map maker I used to stick my nose up to orange maps, but the truth is I was just jealous of their success combined with their low effort. Valve is ruining Counter-Strike by being the curator and not letting the community hold the steering wheel. You can find my maps on the workshop, "Zastels".

@@MapSpawnrelax dramaqueen

@@MapSpawn christian mapmaking

its good it had some minor bugs. I bug reported one and they fixed it. It was about weapons dropped in water would be calculated as if they bounce on the ground and they would make 2 splashes 1 where it dropped and 2 where it would've dropped if there was no water. Weird they'd spend so much time on water physics when they dont really matter

No fish ai tho...

in my head i think the reason they have done so cool water is that it can be used as a basis for other source 2 games

Literally the only impressive thing about this game in any sense.

@@splintergp or the cool water was made for a different source 2 game and just got implemented cause pretty. if you ask yourself, why would they spend so much effort on such a small thing that is not even relevant to the game (unlike for example the smoke which is fancy but also changes gameplay in a minor way). Half life 3 water leak

That’s because he made the music lmao

It's kinda Aphex Twin'ey

Yeah i've kinda gotten a nostalgic association to his soundtrack after watching him for so long

​@@saibot0Yeah it's incredibly nostalgic... I should buy his music kit for the game I think

Extremely over-used though. It's like he can't come up with another.

This is because of Counter-Strikes movement from "casual shooter" to "competitive esport". You can say that earlier CS's were competitive, and you'd be right. However, competitive in 1.6, and CS:S didn't dominate those games and instead were an incredibly niche area. The devs could afford to focus on what pro's wanted because pro's were the ONLY ones playing in that game type and changing how the AK damaged wouldn't massively impact a func_vehicle server. CS:S had minigames, and extremely experimental and fun to play maps as well because of this. CS:GO's movement to competitive esport, and lack of modability within the game client to support this, has lead to stagnation not only in the maps, but in the gamemodes we see as well. If it's not easy to implement, it won't get added, which is sad because it means the death of unique and fun maps.

People are too afraid to be the next Aztec

@@DrCranberry Pretty much, which is why imo 1.6 and Source are where CS peaked, with CS:GO being the decline and CS2 appearing to dig even deeper in that regard. I remember all the times playing 1.6 on some western map, all sorts of "rats" type maps, same with source, all on random servers with people messing about with no care in the world about balance or being optimal, or winning.

@@simplysmiley4670600 ccs of nostalgia

It is not just that. Generally players are not open to try out and learn new maps, let alone an experimental one. If something is more straight forward and easier to learn, players might more likely give it a chance. But even then it is hard. Anubis only was given a chance by players because Valve took over the map, this is how stubborn players are. I remember the initial responses from players on this map being quite negative for the most part and now people enjoy it, this is sadly how it goes. If we would design a map like Nuke in this time period, there is no way people would accept it. Weird ass double stacked bombsites, weird edges you can stand on at A site. Huge open outside area you can't smoke off, no defense straight on bombsite B and etc. Even playtesters would complain against such design. But maybe we just lack balls and persistence these days 😂

I don't map for Counter-Strike specifically but yeah, even if you make stuff for free, people will still complain lol. It's very community-dependent though.

As much as I am excited for that possibility, I am afraid the focus on the game competitive side may prevent casual innovation from happening.

Issue is creative mapping doesn't win attention from Valve, formulaic maps do.

S&box is another source 2 game that is becoming a platform for anyone to make anything so hopefully that can help advance cs2 in some way eventually

suuuuuuurely, i hope the game isnt dead by then xdd

mfffmmghh...

Huh?

And FOREVER?!

I absolutely agree!

yeah, I loved arms race too

Arms Race is back now... still no casual maps though :/

@@elgatogrande561 at least it shows that they work on that

And they seemed to have somewhat fixed the tic problem... @@elgatogrande561

but then the pros would complain even the chicken caused some funny moments like chickens blocking the door, blocking an awp shot, etc. thats why they kill every chicken they see, because you never know.

maybe offer 2 versions, casual and competitive versions of maps

I find counter strike's pandering to the casual playerbase to be hindering my enjoyment of the game.

@@FED0RA That would involve more effort on the mapper's part and just wouldn't be worth it in the end. If they were to do two versions of CS2, one competitive and one casual, the perfect Counter-Strike game for competitive players would be just de_dust2, AWPs, Deagles, AKs and M4s. They don't need anything else.

@blobbem no like just the maps, add props and shit for casual remove allat for competitive i didnt say make 2 separate games

STOP

OH MY GOD THATS THE NAME OF THE SONG I’ve been looking for it for ages, thank you :)

To be fair, visual clarity is also what makes a game fun, entertaining, and even casual. Look at TF2, that was the game’s entire design philosophy and one of the reasons why it was easier to pick up compared to a lot of games on the market at the time, hell, even compared to subsequent titles like Overwatch

You won't believe it but some people get the fun and entertainment from the competitive aspect of the game it's not either or. Those were the roots of counterstrike and many more competitive games - the ability to have a competition online in a game against each other because this wasn't always the case.

​@@ResurrectionVeklorcompetition were NOT the roots lol dumb gimmicky maps were and competitiveness became a staple of the culture much after

Thing is that making things prettier and prettier in reality cuts off from the amount of players that _can_ enjoy it. Graphical fidelity is far ahead from what a common joe can afford. And even when they can afford the bare minimum, they won't engage with the prettier version of the game anyway just because they want to actually play the god damn game without burning their PC down.

@@simplysmiley4670 can we not pretend that cs2 is the new Crysis 💀 it still runs on a potato, just not your potato from 2013

OMG! Hello there, I'm a new watcher and have been enjoying your content, idk why but I didnt expect to see you here.

Yellow outline was my go to back in ye olden days of 2022

Considering the amount of bloat animations and abilities in that game, I don't think it stands out too much. Never had an issue in spotting an enemy in Valorant tbh.

It really helps i still miss people in cs2 occasionally but ive only missed people in valorant when i was in monkey brain mode

this same difference in design philosophy is super obvious between tf2 and overwatch (back when ppl still compared them lol) and it always annoyed me. tf2 has an unbelievably readable art style that makes so much information available so seamlessly while overwatch often winds up with just a vomit of colours from different abilities and relies on extra ui elements and outlines to retain *some* visual clarity (the game in general looks great tho). even with something as simple as marking teams, so many games just use a coloured outline and it just feels lazy. like after decades of game design most devs still havent figured out a better way to combine art and gameplay than coloured outlines?

@@radioatlast you're acting like there is literally no benefit to outlines whatsoever. outlines give infinitely more readability than anything you can do to make an object stand out in a 3d environment short of 0:32 , and dont impose any limits on character customization options. and its not like tf2 is any gold standard of combining art and gameplay, all they did was make your outfit team colored, not to mention that it is very much not "unbelievably readable" as soon as you involve explosions and pyro flames. was halo infinite "lazy" for using team outlines as opposed to just forcing spartan colors of teams like every other halo game?

I doubt that an Easter egg in a long forgotten map affected every single mapper that much.

Then you do not realize how concentrated the community was in the 2000's. There was only a handful of mapping communities, and things propagated. Verc, CS-Nation, Counter-Map, Snark Pit, ect, it was a smaller community back then.@@tehFozzeY

Who's his father

he creates under the name steventhedreamer @@quintit

​@@quintitMr. Kliks Sr .

​@@quintit Steventhedreamer

I don't understand the complaints of being unable to see character models against the scenery, isn't that the point of camouflage? You wouldn't try to make yourself more visible against your enemies.

@@GreatMossWaterthis is cs not some realistic war simulator

​@@Janus54 It sure tries to look like one though.

It's counter-strike so that's unlikely

you mean fortnite-type fun?

+1 Honestly, it doesn't even need to be something that you interact with. I remember how fun Zoo seemed just because there were swimming fish in the aquarium that gave that part of the map a realistic atmosphere. Nowadays, someone out there would complain that it's too distracting or something like that. If we keep optimising for competitive play over fun, the end point would be a sterile box of some kind, like a Psychology PhD's mouse maze.

​@@OutOfNamesToChooseyeah, people were complaining they mistake birds on Inferno for incoming flashbangs. These purists should just play 1.6 with boxy basic maps. It would also resolve their continious hunger for turning everything down to gain extra fps

Simple solution: keep the wacky maps in the casual pool and the clean ones in the competitive pool. And brink back unranked matchmaking so that people can practise on the competitive maps without affecting their rank

everyone want to ram each other's behind and swoshing melee while at it and then says sorry.

I'm so glad that wasn't just me! He said a couple things that gave me a double take in this one. 10/10

honestly to me CS2 looks like it came from 2013. Like the car/van models have no shaders at all so they look really flat and fake. I get it's not trying to be UE5.3 but it barely looks better than source to me. (granted I haven't played CSS in years maybe my memory of it is a bit off; I remember going from CS 1.6 to CS:S and being amazed how good CSS looked)

csgo looks about 190% better

@@versy187 ur opinion

The problem exists when certain skins hide themselves better than other skins on certain maps. Things that were supposed to be simply cosmetic are now affecting gameplay causing a monetary rift between the haves and have nots, and THAT is a problem. The entire contrast increase fix is because of this issue that continued to pop up, but to let people still play their aesthetically pleasing game, it is an option you can toggle off. In a similar vein, one way vision that prevents one side from seeing the other and ultimately locking down a portion of the map is a balancing issue. You could argue that because all players have access to it, it is "fair" but how much it affects the balance of the map now needs to be taken into consideration which may have not been considered before and potentially cause lopsided engagements where even if you could pre-fire that spot, the "optimal" play would be to simply not take that route ever as an attacker. At that point, the assumption would be a certain section of the map "doesn't exist" in competitive play and will throw the balancing into disarray.

If that's not a job for 2kliksphilip

Pretty sure that’s used in half-life or half-life 2 speed run

@@ProtossOP that's it! I just found a video showing it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nxkD3gKSpqg.html I found it on a community 2towers server I played regularly, fun times.

Bring back the NVGs!