No clue what steel they use in them but I've seen friends clones that are spot on and some even better feeling and looking than some of my older factory knives lol
I would still love to see a torture test of a vespa troodon knockoff.. those are on another level than the other crappy China knockoffs. Not all knives sold on aliexpress are created equal and I welcome the competition because that’s what will drive microtech to innovate further...
I have gotten some of the best knives I have seen in the $100-250 range on AliExpress and DHgate. Sure they are clones, but amazing knives. Got two Microtech Sigil clones that are just amazing. Got a Shirogorov RFT that is the sharpest I have ever seen a knife straight out of the box. Got a Shirogorov 110KS that is just a marvel of machining quality and smoothness. Got a Fischer Battle in damascus that blew my mind. There have been bad ones also, but fewer than the successes. I think the worst was a ZT 0777 where it is impossible to center the blade properly and still have it flip reliably and a CKF Decepticon with a detent so lose that the knife might open in your pocket.
I've been tempted a few times to buy a Ultratech. I have a Cobratech, higher end with the Aluminum handles, and D2 blade. I paid about 130 dollars for it about 3 years and have never had an issue...Now, I was thinking of buying a Ultratech, and the one I was looking at is 290.00...The Kicker is, even though it's 290 bucks, the website says, "we can't tel you what Steel the blade is made of, as we change all the time".......If I'm paying 300 bucks for a knife, I'm damn sure going to know what "steel of the Month" I'm getting......
Microtech should make an entry-level version with no warranty and less expensive steel (D2 for example) for under $100. Then there would be no reason for anyone to want counterfeits. 90% of the people that are interested in a dual action OTF knife are never going to baton with it and certainly aren't going to drive it through a board like a nail. They just think they are cool and want to fidget with them and open packages and letters or cut off a string from their pants.
Also! Look at the difference the 10% more material makes! So if you add 10% more steel into the lock, then it passes the test. If not, it fails. What is the lesson? Knife costs probably 15 USD to manufacture, add 10% and you can sell it for horrendous prices! :)
The handle bent just enough like a guy slightly tweak bends a driveshaft yoke hammering out the universal joint and then it doesn’t work . Good materials and a good build is paramount .
Wow, I am stunned by the lack of ethics in many of these comments. Some are saying things like, "Wow X-Ring, you showed me how great a clone is! I'm going to go get one." First of all, X-ring did not demonstrate what happens to cheap steel when testing it as he did. AUS-8 (which is probably what these knock-offs use) can do all of the stuff X-Ring did, but will roll and possibly even chip. Bohler M390 (which is what many Microtech blades are made of) will also withstand those tests AND keep their edge without damage. But, on top of all that, even if these knock-offs can do what you need them to do, you are supporting criminal enterprises when you buy them! If they were simply crappy 30.00 look-alikes, it would be one thing, but these clowns are counterfeiting the Microtech logo and branding. They are pirates, period. Supporting their deception is unethical at best, if not downright immoral. Look, if you can't afford a Microtech, that's OK. They are expensive. So, go get a Lightning OTF instead. It'll only cost you 30.00 and you didn't sell out. Lightnings are from an honest company who doesn't pretend to be something they are not. One day, when you can afford the real thing, it's be a much sweeter experience.
You are 100% correct James and I appreciate your comment on this. Seems like cost is the only deciding factor and nothing else matters to a few people.
@@XRING Thank you sir. BTW, I just watched the video where you burned and abused your Combat Troodon. I found it because I just purchased one and wanted to see some reviews. Wow, I was impressed. I know that to some they may see your torture tests as extreme but I, for one, want to see just how far I could push my tools without actually having to. I appreciate your work! Keep it up.
I think is its far worse that there companies try to screw us by selling knives at a 900% mark up, if Chinese knockoffs are good enough to compete and at 1/10 of the cost then it is obvious who is getting screwed
Got a counterfeit maroon/wine red Ultratech for 20 bucks last month at my pawn shop that the previous owner had sent to Microtech to confirm & have the logos removed. Bought it purely as an all day fidget so I dont wear out my real UT & UTXs & was pleasantly surprised it fires just as satisfyingly & consistently as my authentic UT & even at dozens of times the firings its outlived 2 of my brand new dealer purchased 70s without a single deployment or switch/spring failure.
Ah yes, that 380$ extra for the actual microtec so that I can drive it through a 2×4 is completely worth it. Granted yes, if it is blatantly ripping the company off with branding, no thanks. However if it's just the design I'll gladly pay the 20$ for the "cheap crap" that is nearly on par for less than 1/10th the price.
The real one also has the registered trademark or copyright under the Microtech name on the clip and the under the crest on the front handle. The fake had no such marks
The clone will still sell and it's all down to price and affordability for most, also you have done a strength test for people to see and that clone took a hell of a beating before it broke and no one would ever use this knife in the way you demonstrated it, it's a combat fighting knife not a servival cutting threw longs knife or smashing it threw 2inch thick wood knife, if anything this has probably upped the sales on the clone because most people will use it for normal tasks not cutting down trees. My advice for microtech is to contact a good knife company in China and bring out a few designs that's an affordable prices for people that can't afford the high priced American made ones.
I bought some knock offs on purpose before I bought my real microtechs back in the day. The main difference I found was the steel was much softer. Didn’t hold its edge. And the springs often broke in under a year. They are definitely not at even close to the quality of a real microtech
and nowadays they are even starting to use m390 steel for the blades because we had a couple tested. and I guess if your just using it to cut open some boxes or just clean your finger nails it would be just fine and I do wish more of the microtech knives were more affordable but they are extremely well made and can withstand more of a beating than any of us customers are ever going to purposely put it through so in the end microtech for the win for sure
Thats a real testament, to show quality of Mircotech !! Although I think the test was to hard for that particular type blade & mechanism. Nevertheless it did prove a major difference.
The knife industry is getting put on their ass with these clones and that’s a good thing! I bought a real Spyderco Paramilitary 2 once for around $160, with all “nice” things I have I put it in my gun safe. I then bought a cheap knock-off for $16 on aliexpress. I was horrified when I got it… it was about 95% of my real paramilitary 2! I used the ever loving shit out of that cheap knock-off and I never once had a problem besides knowing it was a “fake” and that I have a real one in my safe. I don’t use my knives as nails, it gets expensive after awhile 😉 These American companies are overcharging for their knives, by a huge margin! When a Chinese knock-off can “come close” for $16 then you’re just buying a name. ….and a boat for the owners.
That was the best blade video I have seen in quite some time. You are just cool.. not much else to add to that. I am subbed! and by the way that baby blue handled Ultratech look absolutely amazing. I'm going to watch some more I don't know much about guns but seems I'll be learning about them too here.
Based on your recommendation, I got a Microtech Ultratech clone made by HiFinder. It's amazing; has better tolerances than the real thing and D2 is plenty good enough for me. These clones are just amazing
Like the other comments, I'm confused. Was this an endorsement for the fake or the genuine Microtech knife? What does the hammering the blade into a 2x4 prove anyway. I could take any piece of metal that's hardened enough not to fold over or bend and do the same thing. Now, hammering it in like a nail shows me that it's not a brittle or weak blade. I really expected it to snap with a couple of those hits that had it vibrating, I at least expected it to break the lock that holds the blade in the extended position. I kind of wanted the Microtech to break off, that would have been epic. I recently got a fake (not on purpose) and searched this topic because of it. I'll check back if I remember and let everyone know how it holds an edge and stuff, normal stuff not this extreme treatment. I know this is a demonstration of strength but nobody does this kind of stuff with a knife, we just open packages and slice apples, that kind of stuff. I appreciate the video anyway; it was interesting, and I gave it a like. I think mine cost under $40 and I wouldn't cry about losing it or if it broke but I would if it had cost $300 like the real item. I guess I'm more of a Hellcat kind of guy not a Ferrari guy. I just saw another video and I think this guy works for Microtech. Interesting.
I'm impressed with the Microtech knives but there is absolutely no way I could ever afford paying that much for any knife OTF or fixed blade. Loved the informative video though. Maybe someday a friend will gift me a OTF Microtech. LOL
I got took a few years ago I was at a gun show and seen a big sign, it posted Authentic Microtech dealer. They took me for 400$ for a fake Halo-V. I went back the next day & they was gone, hard telling how many people got played that day.
Thankfully I dont have to worry about buying a counterfeit unless I want to buy a counterfeit because I would never buy a high end knife from a third party individual. I would rather pay the extra money and buy it from a reputable site.
I will just say honestly, I don't like OTF knives. Yes I don't like OTF knives, like microtech knives, I'am more in the old school style like folder or fixed blades knives. BUT, by viewing yours series of videos of microtech knives my opinion about OTF knives might start to change a little bit. Why not? is always good to see something differents. I really want to buy one of this knives to see the real thing in the palm of my hand. I love testing new knives is a real pleasure and that even better when the knife I testing is not something i like.
What this came down to is that the knock off is a great knife if you arent going to hammer it into a piece of treated wood and beat the hell out of it with a mallet...
"The knock off isn't as good as the real one"...no shit. I don't think anyone on the planet would argue that. But you could buy six fakes with the price of a real one.
The microtech I bought was so hard to manipulate I sent it back. Microtech CS said I wasn't doing it right, they could have taken care of a dud knife but chose to blame the user. Never again
I have bought a marfione from Ali express with titanium handle , for 58 and sold it for 110 on eBay as a clone, the Chinese have gotten good with cloning, but I understand, yet the clone was a beast and smooth, I enjoy your videos I ordered the microtech ludt yesterday, and have a carbon fiber handle micro tech mini alpha also coming in the mail from bladehq, which I will sell on the aftermarket 🔪🔪🔪🔪
I have a microtech hellhound and it was a pretty sweet blade, UNTIL one side of the case wich is made of fiber lost one tiny bit... one tiny bit, thats all it took for it to have the button coming off, man the worst $300+ i ever have spent
My biggest problem is that I lose things….all the time. I can’t justify spending $300 and lose it. If I wasn’t such a klutz, I’d be more likely to buy a quality knife.
Maybe microtech is a bit overpriced, but when I buy one in the secondary market, I do not want to pay full price for a fucking copy. Hope those sellers will burn in hell.
They’d sell a whole lot more if they made the blades just .11 shorter, unfortunately they’re an illegal carry in the UK. I was all ready to buy one too.
I've always wanted a Microtech ultratech or a Troodan (sp.) But I cannot afford the price. Though I'm not surprised that it could take the abuse... as Microtech is a very well made knife. Enjoy them if u can afford them.
Magpul forward handguard grip fake with the spelling is backward, did not notice when first received. China made MFT stock very difficult to tell the fake from the real stock. I had to buy the real stock to see some differences from the fake. I called MFT and sent a picture and MFT was able to see the difference.
Pretty cool vid. I enjoyed seeing the internals of the counterfeit. I seen in the comments many ppl opting to choose the counterfeit of the authentic Microtech due to price and not ever needing to use a otf as a nail. Clearly a counterfeit would be significantly cheaper with lesser quality materials, cheaper labor, and skipping the r&d process. The counterfeit looked like a good knife really, but trademark infringement is where it all gets shady and sets up the unaware consumers to get taken for a ride.
Great video. Since everybody uses a pocket knife to hammer it through a piece of wood on a day to day basis, the huge price for microtech it's perfectly justifiable. You just made a commercial for the Chinese knock off 😅. Thanks anyway.
So basically for $30 I can get a knife that looks exactly like, and is nearly as durable as a $300 MT? The average user would never need 50% of the durability demonstrated. How bout a Cobratec with a lifetime warranty for $80? Cmon, $300-$400 for an extremely simple mechanism and an aluminum handle? I like super steel knives, but I like a decent value too. Veblen goods need not apply.
Can you do one of these tests on MTN forged knives? they seem to be making knives from microtechs old designs like the scarab and the old ultratech. Not sure if they are clones or they own the patents, but they are definitely similar and made in the US.
I'll never understand those who purposely buy clones. Why would you care if other people thought you owned high quality when you don't even care about high quality?
Have a real ultratech, but always wanted the bounty hunter. No way I could ever afford it, shouldn't have bout the ultratech to begin with lol. I was pretty underwhelmed by the sharpness of the real ultratech to begin with so I def was spending even more on the bounty hunter. I also am probably like the 99% of people that buy these, we aren't using our knifes as hammers or nails lol. I think the clone will need to be Sharpened more often, but for the 99% it looks like this clone will hold up a long long time for the normal person if we don't use it as a nail. Def just ordered my clone bounty hunter, the real ones are just priced way too high for what you get.
I may order a clone to use the intrenal spring as a replacement for my utx85. I don't trust their warranty really. I mean, I have to have an authorised dealer send this knife back to Microtech, right?
smileydogg24 of course not. The point is to stress it until it fails to discover the actual limits of the blade for a comparison to an authentic blade.
smileydogg24 exactly that’s why we are here to watch him do it for us. By the way thank you buddy, I appreciate you subjecting your gear to these tests for science
I bought an Atomic Defender, a Titan, and a Lightning Elite for under $100 total. I've carried and used all of them for 1+ year as EDCs for work, in which I use them for opening tons of boxes and mail. I also fidget with them constantly. They have all had thousands of deployments and retractions, and they all still work just as well now as when I bought them. I will never buy another Microtech. They are simply a waste of money for ego and brand. I understand the FEELING and EMOTION of exclusive tribalism when you buy a super overpriced name brand thing like a Microtech, but I also have enough experience to understand that spending 5x the amount on a name brand buys you nothing except that name brand and the bragging rights for having spent a lot of money on it. Want a D/A OTF that functions fine for years with a lot of daily use? You're gonna be perfectly satisfied with a "budget" option like Lightning, Titan, Atomic, or AKC.
I dunno... It looks like to me that unless you plan on doing something really stupid with your knife, a $30 clone will do anything you can reasonably expect a knife to do... and for a ton less money. It also looks like the clone makers could spend about $10 more on heat treating the lock parts and still produce a knife that keeps up with Microtech in this kind of test, again for hundreds less. ( Which points to Microtech and others overcharging for what you actually get. ) But then maybe I'm crazy for expecting a knife to be just that, and not a wood chisel or a nail. * shrug*
@@Pillowpetlover - Everybody's a slave to something or someone else. After all, how many people REALLY hate their job, but don't leave it because they feel like they can't? Believe me, nobody works for somebody else because they want to. They do it because they have to if they want to survive.
That cheap steal will really show after a couple hundred thousand clicks. My ultratech has been abused daily working in construction and its battered and beat but fires everytime
@@guarddog318 yeah they do overcharge, benchmade and spyderco overcharge as well, but with my spyderco knives, I know I have quality steel with a good heat treat that noticeably outperforms cheap knives, and they pay their workers a living wage. I'm willing to pay their prices to support them and keep them in business. Yes, I could get by just fine on a cheap clone, but I like quality, and I like supporting American businesses that treat their workers well.
Actually any flee market that as people selling knives got em under the counter everywhere in Canada , quebec Montreal etc..if you ask discretly and calmly , the person will show you his under the counter goodies like otf's , butterfly knives, brass knuckles , tazers , chinese stars and if your lucky one or two revolvers 😁 eh eh eh
@BrutalJuice I just got my Vespa wasp from dhgate it's a Microtech Troodon clone it was $160 and the Precision Machining and everything about the knife is beautiful you won't be disappointed and yes you will receive in the mail no questions asked
You just proved that if you buy that knock off knife its actually well worth the money, because in reality that test is not something you do to a knife of that type.
@@mattmorrison9379 One's about $50, the other over $300. There's a 600% difference in price, and the cheap one performs nearly as well as the expensive one. It "failed" when induced to stress no reasonable person would be subjecting their knife to (hammering it through a 2x4). If the cheapo would spend a few bucks more on better raw steel, it probably would have passed that test too.
@@heathwasson7811 fair enough, personally I like having a real one it definitely feels better than some clones I've held but hey to each their own it's all good.:)
It's amazing the amount of money you can save on production when you steal someone else's R&D, use cheaper materials, skimp on QC, don't offer a warranty, and probably don't pay your employees a fair wage.
@@blc628 Yeah, no shit. Everyone's fully aware of that. Like we don't know the reason one can sell for $50 and the other for $300? Glad you came around to straighten everyone out on that. Feel good about yourself now that you had the chance to dazzle everyone with your stunning economical analysis?
People say that to me all the time! They also have 20 pairs of $100+ shoes, $900 cellphones, and credit card debt...Fun part about being an adult is spending money on shit YOU like :D
Your exactly right! But they will tell you that 20 more dollars in the machine is going to hit the big one, I worked in a store for 7 years that sold lotto tickets, The House Always Wins
Sure you can buy a clone otf knife that's identical, reasonably well-built, dependable and a fraction of the price of the original but the jokes on you because it's not a REAL Microtech! Ha!
I have owned a real Microtech Halo V for 6 years now. I thought what the hell, let's buy a knock off and compare the two. I paid $100 for the knockoff. It came in a real Microtech box with real Microtech paperwork. I was blown away by the quality of this particular brand knockoff. EVERYTHING was spot on, the fit and finish, the hardware, and the action. When deployed the blade has virtually no play in it, don't know what steel the blade is made of but it took an edge, and has held it. My guess is like an Aus 8 or something similar. When you go to retract the blade, the slide has all the info on it that the original does. I was so impressed that I keep my REAL Halo V in the gun safe and play with the knockoff. It was such a faithful copy that I have even fooled other Microtech owners with it. So not all knockoffs are created equal. I think it was a Vespa.
Bc they are not knockoffs...all the shit is made in China..so the "knockoffs" are not knockoffs at all..u just getting it at a cheaper price due to where u buy from..wish has knifes that are exactly the same..300 here under 100 from wish..n halg the shit made in usa is a lie anyway..its ridiculous..all for a selling point..but yea its not a knockoff mate..same same
The one I just ordered yesterday from here: www.dhgate.com/product/red-blue-orange-handle-mt-automatic-knife/480677414.html?f=edm|auto|auto_shipping_2017|browse1|20200422 says that it's D2 blade steel. I'm kinda doubting that but I'll see when it gets here. If it's hard to sharpen then you know. I'm basically buying this as a toy. Are people(soldiers) really taking these to war? I doubt it. More likely a fixed blade of some kind. I saw the Vespas on this site but I know nothing about them.
@@darkanglesnip3r I bought a Halo 6 clone off of dhgate and brought it to one of my local Microtech dealers (Note I said dealer. Microtech is so proud of their shit is so expensive it has to be financed) (I'm all for quality and made in America but seriously Microtech. And they aren't the only ones) today. When I showed him the knife he could barely tell the difference between the two. It was only after he called Microtech to ask about serial number and ways to identify a fake. The fake Halo VI actually deploys more harder and smoother. Granted the steel and a few other things didn’t hold up over time but what average Joe uses an OTF that damn much. We all know that most of us have one for showing off and shit like that. If you want a hard heavy use folding knife then buy a frame, liner, or lock back like the rest of us do. Even those systems fail from shit like this. (Not everyone designs or tests their shit like Lynn Thompson) (No I do not work for Cold Steel. I prefer Kershaw and Boker, and Sypderco knives for EDC) First responders and Real world text all operators that use this on a daily basis or when their lives depend on it should go for it and buy the real deal. Still waiting for a Zero Tolerance OTF to come out. I bet it will put everyone else’s to shame.
I am a poor college student and I live in Europe where everything you get from USA is pretty much double the price you pay there. But since i am a knife maker and collector I appreciate the design and quality of the original. And I want to support the one who bust his head to come up with this design. So I only ate pasta with tomato sauce for 4 months in order to collect the money and in 2014 I bought my first real microtech. To this day 6 years later I have not regret it one bit. I know that the counterfeit if very good for the money but they don't have to spend money for research, for quality parts and American labour. I make knives I would want anyone to copy my designs for less $. In order for me to come up with one knife I have to break 2- 3 complete knives to test if the design is good enough. The copycats will just skip all this. Anyway I think that counterfeiting is just unacceptable wrong. The only way microtech can defeat them is to make a cheaper line in the company that are made in China. Like Byrd knives from Spyderco!
You are spot-on, Counterfeiting is despicable to me! The world would be a truly amazing place if it was full of people like you! Where do I buy one of your knifes?
@@chrisdonnelly5904 Thank you so much for your kind words mr Donnelly. I am very humbled to hear that you would take interest in my knives. Unfortunately i dont have something available at this moment because i only do it part time, and because i still in the beginning of my carrier it takes quite a while before a complete a full knife and most sell out really fast. Faster that i can make them. But here instagram.com/parissis_works you can see a very small sample of my work since the instagram account is very recent. But i am planning on posting more of my work there and in a more regular basis. So if you like something you can contact me directly. I have a geat passion for cutlery and I currently do it because i love it and there is nothing else i love more, not to make money. I am trying to do the best job i can with the equipment and the skill i have. And hopefully become, someday, one of the more popular designers in the industry! Thank you again sir and have wonderful holidays. Btw my comment did not have any intension of promoting myself. I was just saying what was on my head!
спрос - рождает предложение. Китай не победить :) они могут сделать даже лучше оригинала если им достаточно заплатить за работу - пример подделки Shirogorov
Tbf it costs 33$ for a fake on alibaba and who needs to nail a knife into a 2x4.... ok its disposable and not as good as a real one but 33$... microtech is too expensive
I do understand that the real thing is going to be better but it is more than 10 x the price it’s crazy ! You can almost get a sebensa for that money (which is also expensive imo)
@@jameslordan3378 yeah that's why I don't own yet.. u do own a few benchmades and they are equally expensive but I love em to death. There's 2 knives I do want to get that I would hands down get before an micro tech which they are custom handmade knives by Lyle Bronkhourst, his starfighter pocket knife and his Damascus steel bowie fighting knife, which he does 90°bend tests on the spare blanks of the knives he makes to order to make sure they stand up to his standards and don't snap. The starfighter is 800$ and the bowie 1300 D: definitely check them/his work out! He has 40 years of knife making experience! images.app.goo.gl/ago7twK5KdXqcpG88 images.app.goo.gl/B1TrXybhvraeYJP98
I think you just sold me on the clone. 🤷♂️ I mean I’m never gonna do any of the test you just did. And It looks like it can take a beating. And for 40$ what am I really losing. If microtech was cheaper of course I’d go that route but at 10% the cost how can you go wrong.
I have a utx clone from DHgate was 38. The quality is amazing. Fit and finish is amazing. Action is fast and solid. And blade took a shaving polished edge on my work sharp. Iv been beating on it and using it for everything and its held up great.
Not that I condone buying clones but those Microtechs are way overpriced for what they are. It would be a cool knife at $125. Costs them prob $20 to make it.
They cost WAY more than that to make. I did the series on birth of an Ultratech on the channel. Really made me understand what all goes into them. Not justifying the price, just stating the facts. Thanks for watching.
Love these videos. Have to realize that this is a biased test though with your connection with microtech. Unbiased reviews and tests have more credibility.
@@XRING Its doesn't break anything on the counterfeit knife but it sure as shit guaranteed you didn't perform the full spectrum of tests on the microtech that you did on the fake. Microtechs are cool and kinda fancy and everybody gets the whole gimmick but you could've done a fair test. You didn't. Pretty simple.
Real microtech knives are well worth the money. I bought a knock off just to scratch the itch of wanting one and was immediately disappointed with the quality and reliability. I dug down deep in my pocket and bought the utx 85. When I received the knife I was worried I was going to regret spending that much money on a pocket knife. It was hard to see the value until I had it in my hand. I work in machining so I can appreciate the value of a real microtech. My utx and I have been inseparable since I bought it. I have actually had five people go out and buy one as a gift for someone after handling mine. I recommend them to people all the time. They are truly amazing knives and a must have for any one who is into hunting, EDC, and or collecting. Hell I've seen people who don't care for any of those things end up wanting one after handling mine. I am in no way affiliated with microtech or anyone for that matter. Save up and get the real thing. You won't regret it. Most people I see on RU-vid have five or six decent quality knock offs. At fifty dollars or more a pop that is more than enough money to go out and get a full size ultratech. Another thing people forget about when scoffing at the price of a microtech is that when you buy the knife it is basically a piggy bank. You barely lose any money if you decide to sell one and if you get a rare color, blade, and hardware combination you can actually gain money in the long run. Buying a microtech is a good as buying any high end fire arm. It holds it's value and is worth being seen as an investment rather than a spontaneous purchase. Anyhow, I'm done. ✌️
