Couple Disappears During Risky Voyage in Modified "Eco-Friendly" Yacht | Clibbery Case Analysis 

Yep only a non sailor would come to the conclusion that power failure was the least likely cause of the disaster. Never sail a lee shore is an ancient rule of sailing, proven thousands of times. Modern combustion engines have changed the rules to some extent, but still the old ways are the safest. Sailing with electric auxiliary with the mindset of a diesel auxiliary is very likely the root cause.

I couldn’t imagine trying to fight a lithium ion fire on a small boat. I agree this is the most likely conclusion. Perhaps the autopsy will show they’ve been exposed to fire recently

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Inference-observation confusion. It was more likely to be killer whales.

@@timpayne7676 About zero chance it was Orcas. You trying to be funny?

Wow, I think that's called a sign. He and boats "just don't splice".

The guy that got drunk and sank the boat probably saved the surgeon's life. Had the surgeon got his boat back and he probably would have tried again to kill himself sailing solo God knows where to.

Luckily for those of us who love the challenge of sailing, new communication and location tech, as well as improved weather forecasting has made it much safer, especially for solo-sailors.

​@@SailingWindGypsy you can run all you want, but you can't hide from yourself. There's some trauma associated with such weird "Quests". There are people who do if for a living, and then there's the rest who I consider need therapy.

@@elim7228 Speak for yourself! 😂😂😂. There are definitely people who are more "thrill seeking" than others. I don't think that represents trauma!

There is that but I would suggest that we need to prepare ourselves mentally for the possibility that loved ones may not be found and to come to peace with that possibility. Being "hopeful" that bodies will be found will only worsen grief in the event that bodies are not recovered. In life, as in death, the depths we can descend increase with the height of Mt Hope down into the Valley of Grief. The more hope, the greater the fall. We can not control the chances of recovery. We can control the effect of the uncontrollable will have on us.

@@coweatsmanWhat? They were recovered…you got that right? No need to prepare for not knowing where they ended up…

​@postiebren apparently you can read but can't comprehend

@@Jordan-sy7my lol

Such a shame it took 5 days for rescuers to start looking 🛟 😢

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i second that 👽

Good old Columbus. Thought he'd found a new way to India, China and Japan but accidentally discovered a new continent.

Don't forget Leif Eriksson as well. He did it first.

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He's well anchored.

What is wrong with his shirt?

@@PhillyAnthonyD Nothing.

@@PhillyAnthonyD Nothing! It's awesome...as always!!

@@PhillyAnthonyD- he’s talking about sailing and his shirt has anchors on it. 😊

Being stupid comes at a high price.

This is what happens when your hippie ideas get in the way of common sense

when you get old, don't spend your time with people who believe in reiki; you can't count on people like that when you need help. Unless.... are YOU the reiki person? You always want to make sure you aren't the one being the reiki person

@@Mike-tu7uw They looked so alike, but sadly he was.... Canadian. That explains a lot.

@@MsMesemwhat does it explain?

But you would still be Eco Friendly. 😆

Also trapped on a boat with a diesel runaway, just as frightening.

EV fires produce deadly smoke. There are stories of firemen being permanently disabled while fighting car fires.

@@user-dd2gf1it1t I think it's more terrifying to realize you will die of dehydration on the 'life' raft.

And a boat with a diesel tank on fire would be calming? I think any large fire on board, particularly offshore is going to cause significant panic.

well atleast it didn't have oil in it's tanks.

Exactly!

Sometimes it is. Shipwrecks can become habitats and shelter for sea life.

​@@Heather_T🤔

​@@jarigustafsson7620🤔🤔 Yeah.

Let's all buy them cars though🤓

@@Listening-Lynnie You mean the cars that catch fire at 1/10 the rate of combustion cars? Those?

@@OtisFlint A fire occurring with a combustion engine can be easily put out by its owner... Not so much with an EV. RUN.!!!!!

@@OtisFlint False. This 1 to 10 ratio is a scam forgetting that it has tens of millions more combustion engine cars around the world. Anyhow, these dangerous batteries are definitely not fit for a salty environment. And as a sailor, I can tell you that salt does not come from a leak in the boat. The surrounding air is filled with salt and constantly deposit on all surfaces outside and inside as well. In this case, dramatic fire on board is more than probable.

Being adrift at sea, exposed to the elements with no food or water...they suffered

They probably suffered for a while, then fell into unconsciousness.

@@johndonaldson3619 Yeah they did No kind-hearted pirate needed to take their lives; just a couple of dumb-ass green sailors That's all she wrote

Oh they did suffer.

he waa found with his teeth sunk into her jugular vein.She was found exsanguated.

No it doesn't.

It's the most likely scenario as they did not have communication devices or water when found, so whatever happened, it was fast.

@@davidlynch9049 Not necessarily either. They could have been cut off from cabin interior by fire, but still had a bit of time

Likely, but there are other possible scenarios. Since they were cruising offshore, they'd have to have some reason to deploy the life raft at sea. (They wouldn't have been going ashore for water, for example, and you don't tow a life raft except when planning to go ashore. So much for the most likely reasons to break out the raft under ordinary conditions.) Other common reasons to have the life raft overboard at sea (apart from abandoning ship of course) are to effect repairs, to rescue someone who has fallen overboard, and to have the bright idea to photograph the ship under sail. Repairs at sea are not uncommon, but there would probably be some evidence left on the raft such as tools and repair materials. But you wouldn't think to carry emergency rations or an EPIRB, so that much at least isn't contradicted by the evidence. Still, as a routine precaution, you wouldn't leave the ship uncrewed unless it were absolutely necessary. Also as a precaution, you'd pay out the stern line and make the raft fast to it, rather than risk any possibility of the vessels becoming separated. Still, it could conceivably happen that repairs had to be made requiring both crew, or some unbelievable photo op arose, that put everyone in an untethered life raft "for just a minute while we're hove to." Then away drifts the ship at half a knot while "oh, we forgot the oars." It's surprising how often a minor lapse of judgment escalates into serious trouble at sea. That's how we learn to take these routine precautions - those of us who learn in time. The first thought would still have to be that the ship went down, and that could have been from any of the usual causes, plus the really egregious one of having installed lithium ion batteries rather than the proper LiFePO type for marine use. The TSB is investigating this tragedy. I'm sure they'll be looking for evidence of chemical burns, contamination from lithium salts, other possible causes.

@@SuperDirk1965 you’re right, I forgot about the Somali pirates in the area….. of course the boat sank.

it’s kinda morbid but I dig it

Yeah, Doc is a card.

Omg I just got it at 9.26.. only because you mentioned it 😂😂😂

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@@World_wide_music-same!

I thought of that too

Maybe they had a FU€K TRUDEAU bumper sticker!🤣 🖕🏼🫵🏻 TURDEAU!🤣

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Just you're typical hypocritical tree hugging libs

Rest In the Pacific?

@@seymourbutz6951 You're a class act.

I believe there was a thermal runaway within the used Nissan Leaf EV battery they'd installed. A boat is no place for this type of battery. LiFePO4 battery is much safer in marine applications

I think Keel Failure makes sense. Stress on the keel can be caused by various stresses on a boats structure. Placing extremely heavy batteries in the boat could have caused stresses which may have overloaded the keel. In the case of keel failure, there are many cases of death for those onboard.

Could be, but I'm thinking pirates.

This boat had an enclosed keel. No bolts to break.

@@sheilagravely5621 Halifax does have a rich history of piracy, but there hasn't been any pirates or privateers around here since the 1800s. I live in the city and sail out of the harbour regularly.

They had sails for gods sake. Those can take you anywhere you want. Their problem was inexperience

@@NotASeriousMoose Their problem was stupidity.

Oceans eco neutral Gate

@@NotASeriousMoose Inexperience? They had logged thousands of miles.

@@SOLDOZER doesn't take long to rack up thousands of miles on the ocean. Engineering inexperience. Old tight codger stoopidity. God Bless these Salty Fools

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Doc is a master of understatement 😅

yes i pictured the Jaws 2 water skiing and speed boat scene. but thats just my darkness.

A basic internet search would have warned them that lithium batteries don't like water.

@@patrickoguinn4553 I'm a retired blue water sailor. ANYTHING can happen out there! It's a big ocean.

I was congratulating someone once for helping save the world through electric cars etc. The person told me that their work with semiconductors was the most toxic process in history for manufacturing and was destroying the world 1 electric car and battery at a time. It sucks being wrong all the time. It's nice when someone sets me straight, though, even if it's brutal honesty.

​@jd3666 yeah, and unfortunately battery powered cars get their electricity from the power grid... Which is powered by coal plants or other "dirty" sources.

I say "unfortunately" because people don't think about that when they buy an electric car.

@@DamePiglet a very intelligent friend of mine told me that the future was to build nuclear plants and then ship the waste to outer space creating low orbit dirty bombs. My friend does not have any sort of degree in physics or doesn't really understand how utilities work or if I suppose space travel but these are generally accepted concepts for the Elon musk huffing elite

@@jd3666cool story bro. Ever hear of ETHYL think that does more damage than monimg and strong acids.

Ideally on boats you use lithium ion phosphate or liquid medium batteries in modern boats no idea what they had the mention of using electric car batteries is possibly concerning if they were trying to do it on the cheap, of coarse there's "good" old lead acid no matter what it was a ridiculous to go long range cruising and divesting yourself of your options and backups, electrical systems have come along way in the last 10 years but to give up what is still the main way of generating power (your engine) on a boat where many of their ancillary systems where dependent on it not necessary so many better ways of doing it without the risk

Lithium batteries act more like flamethrowers than bombs.

Why I won't get a tesla or e-bike

Yep, and there's nothing eco friendly about lithium batteries. Lithium is also highly toxic and child labor is used to mine it and the scars left on the land where it's mined ruin that landscape forever, not to mention the costs for disposal after the batteries are worn out.

I’m 61, I was riding my e-bike down a paved bike path, I heard a pop turned my head and there was a 1 meter high flame shooting from the lithium ion battery, within minutes flame went to 2 meters high, my bike was a complete right off. If the lithium battery caught fire in there boat they would have been lucky to have got onto the life raft.

And that's on dry land, without any risk (in normal circumstances) of salt water getting into it.

I own a Chevy Bolt. All it took were two very rare manufacturing defects, in combination, to start about 10 battery fires. GM had to replace a hundred thousand of them. I can't imagine these in a sail boat.

@@MattPSU02 I'm thinking it was a Deathwish. A little internet time or just passing this insanity by an experienced sailor would set them straight. There are probably twenty sailors that explained the seventy reasons you wouldn't want to do any of this.

@timewa851 Gone with the Wynns YT channel detailed the painstaking process to build their hybrid sailing yacht. It uses batteries to hold a charge, run electric stuff on the boat, and power a motor. But it was well thought out by engineers who know what they're doing. And I don't believe that they're lithium, but I might be wrong. Regardless, not a DIY thing at all.

@@MattPSU02 how well thought out do you think it was? It was designed and made in China. Tofu-dregs.

Hahaha!

And how do you suppose one harness the energy of this wind you speak of?

Adrift was a book about that. His boat was the Napolean Solo. Read it in 6th geade back in 91.

There is also one where a tri hull sailboat was flipped upside down by a rogue wave and three guys had to live on an upside down boat for a long time. Also one where a group of young people were at sea on a sailboat and all of em jumped off to swim and none could get back on as they had no latter, I think they were eaten by sharks. I don't know if these two are the same show but are good sailing disaster stories. I love the show your talking about and have seen all of the episodes.

@@jhoughjr1 oh ok it was that long ago hey. Was excruciatingly painful to watch.

I used to love that show. I thought it was well done.

This seems crazy that they didnt have it! This seems weird

Dehydration .... and still they should have known about sea weeds.

Of course they had an EPIRB but it incinerated before it hit the water which would have activated it.This is the best argument for the runaway battery fire accident scenario.

@@janlaan7236 That's PURE speculation and while it is one possibility, there are plenty of other scenarios that are just as, or even more likely. The story said NOTHING about whether they had an EPIRB or not. If it was known that they did have one and it didn't work, that would have been highly newsworthy and mentioned.

You’re speculating that whether they had an Epirb or not would have been highly newsworthy. The overwhelming majority of ocean goers would carry an Epirb and there is no doubt about that.

Pay attention, You can't research a collision....

@@johndonaldson3619 if that's what it was. don't be so judgy and rude

Their idea was profoundly stupid. When your life is on the line, you need proven equipment.

@@FroggyBarnett How about you don't be so flakey and stupid. Think you could you manage that for me?

This is a terrible idea also batteries way much more than a diesel engine then they had a backup their solar panel with gas anyways. ..

If they're imaginary or hysterical in origin, though, Reiki would be most efficatious.

"Quick! Use your summon fresh water spell!"

If they had been homeopaths they could have simply put a molecule of everything into the ocean beforehand.

​@@Demo-critus😂😂😂😂😂😂

As an Australian, currently watching this, I believe you.

The mushroom person of Nova Scotia, Hello! (South Park reference)

Having grown up there, I can say that is true.

@@Crystal.CMJ2024 *says yup exclusively with breathe*

Being hundreds of nautical miles out on the Atlantic isn’t the same as going for a bicycle ride on a highway. The keel of a sailboat weighs a ton, so if your hull is breached in the middle of the night, you have minutes before your boat disappears. Life rafts have a hydrostatic release for this reason (they deploy automatically once the vessel is submerged). Most boats have hydrostatically released GPS as well (EPIRB). A small, active GPS many hundreds of nautical miles offshore will expend its power long before maritime services will be able to get a good fix on its position. Even with a good fix, visually locating someone on an ocean is an incredible challenge even in optimal conditions. In that time, if you’re in a life raft, you are being exposed to the elements like mad. In a best case scenario, a person can go three days without water. Exposed to the blazing sun, we’re talking hours before death occurs. There’s far more ocean than land, mate, and having every GPS beacon under the sun doesn’t mean that you’ll survive if you’re in the middle of the ocean when the shit hits the fan. Even massive cargo ships just routinely disappear, never to be seen again.

@@mangore623 That’s why I said hook a small beacon to your belt loop. The company SPOT sells the beacons and they work everywhere on planet earth except certain parts of the Pacific, as long as you have a good view of the sky, which you sure as heck would in the middle of the ocean. The beacon doesn’t care if you’re on a bike in Nevada or in the middle of the ocean, it will talk to the satellites as long as you have it activated and it can see the sky. My Spot Gen 3 lasts for several days on 4 NiMH batteries, sending out my position every 5 minutes. You could have 100 spare AAA batteries on the liferaft, which would run a Spot beacon for half a year, for negligible weight gain. I won’t contest that the GPS will not definitely result in a rescue, but it’s a sight better starting a search within a day of your disappearance than 6 days later, much smaller possible search radius to start with for one.

@@mangore623 great response

smartypants

@@doctorshawzy6477Hahah :)

Yeah not like trucking fossil fuels all over that stuff is free

​@@jhoughjr1exactly, and to complain about the energy costs of freaking cloth compared to fossil fuels is quite priceless!

The way the solar panels were setup it looks like wind could possibly get underneath them too and not be very stable in a crosswind. Each one of the panels is basically a small sail catching wind so a bunch of them together seems like it would catch a lot of wind.

How do you know they did not buy EPIRBs? You sound like a couch surfer.

I read somewhere that it's half a mega watt hour of energy to make a 200 watt solar panel that's not including the battery.

Yeap, regardless of their good will, they lacked wisdom, and when you make serious decisions based on emotions... be prepared to reap the consequences of those decisions good or bad... I would not even call this a calculated risk, this for sure was completely emotional and thus the result... Natural Selection as some say... I don't know.. don't want to be harsh, but just can't understand why an "engineer" would do such a thing to the boat, knowing that the vessel was engineered to a specific spec.... but as I have told people.. intelligence does not equal and never will equal to wisdom....

I do know that they should have tried shorter trips first, and provisioned the life raft with emergency gear before sailing.

@@adotintheshark4848 a wise man would have done that for sure

Words of wisdom, bro. We're definitely running low on this item in our ideology-driven world..

LFP batteries would have been fine, but they used the flammable ones. Some engineer...

The fact that a person is up in age doesn't mean that a person is sick. You have bought into the brainwashing that a proper so-called old person must have a range of health problems and must have access to the drug pushing and surgery prescribing doctors. You are absolutely wrong. There are tons of old people, mainly outside the Western world, who die of old age. The US, on the other hand - people at young age are sick and dependant in the medical system.

With one kidney...

Oh brother, landlubbers. You are more at risk of dying driving to work every morning than you are sailing across the Atlantic. You are more prone to injury or death in your home than you are sailing across the Atlantic. Your risk of injury or death increases with greater exposure to people and industrialized civilizations than otherwise.

Pfft. Piss off. What a stupid comment. By your logic, we should wrap up everyone over 40 to protect them against themselves and only let young people outdoors. Absolute nonsense. Many people sail their yachts well in to their 80's.

Some people sail in old age not planning to return

Theres a reason it was on the uawd market too

He started with five ships, died in the Phillipines, and ,if my memory serves, only one ship returned to Spain. Might have been three, but one makes a better story

@@kenandrews4634 Yes. Thousands of ships were lost in that era. No auxiliary power was part of the reason.

Overly confident retired engineer. Just because he has expertise in one area, doesn't mean he understands everything technical. Over-confidence can get you killed. Absolutely no reason to remove a perfectly good diesel engine, except to stroke his own ego by tinkering with a lithium battery.

Maybe it was “pirated” and they were forced into the raft ..🤔🤔🤔

@@NLR759 "Overly confident retired engineer. " He was a locomotive engineer, he drove trains. Overconfident, yes, with no expertise .

@@bobbipearcey2059 it's possible, but does that actually even happen in the north Atlantic?

They suffered from White Savior Syndrome....

Sailors Sail in their Boats. It's done by a few experienced people all the time.

So that we have videos to watch.

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@@sanfranciscobay >>S.S. DeathTrap.

Or did once and it went bad

But gas is bad! 😂

Firstly life rafts do not have engines, although I believe they were found in their tender. And anyway you won’t get very far using a tender engine without a large quantity of fuel.

Was it their dinghy or a life raft? I’ve read conflicting reports about which it was.

Why do you think he spent millions of dollars ? Few tens of thousands at most

Boomers gonna boomer

They were very experienced sailors, with appropriate safety equipment.

Ol' Chris and crew got scurvy

@@adotintheshark4848 And were cooking their food with fire, on a wooden boat.

Mr. Ballen??? Say it ain't so 😂

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They completely eliminated their carbon footprint.

@@Kyle-sr6jm

He drove his Nissan EV across Canada.

Yes ... a sailboat is very traditional !!

@@j3suisd3 Sail assisted big difference from a small sailboat.

Yatch lol

Very nautical and on-theme

Yeah a classic shirt. it matches the Mayors sports jacket in Jaws!

My thoughts too. 😅

the Santa Maria was 62 ft ! No propellor , no maps, no sat nav, no rescue services .

never ever leave house without sight of said house!

@@ursodermatt8809 well I mean if something goes wrong on land you’re on land. If something goes wrong in your small boat and you have no idea where land is… then you’re dead.

@@Planetside223 if you are talking about a rowing boat .... this people did quite some sailing before. besides crossing the atlantic requires losing sight of land. like if you go to work you are very likely losing sight of your house. like losing sight of your house does not invite trucks squashing your car.

Only slightly better than voodoo.

@@gingerjessy kewl dolls though..... in voodoo.

They didn’t have a proper self powered EPIRB

Logs are quite improbable in Atlantic, you probably have more chance to hit a lost container

@@dmitripogosian5084 yea that makes sense. Lately I've been hearing alot about whales sinking ships and smaller boats on purpose. It really happens alot! I wonder how many there are in the north Atlantic?.

it's really a question of packing God's Road Flare within your hull. Not the history of sail power. Clearly there was insanity involved in this. Perhaps dementia or general feeble-mindedness?

Radio won't help you unless there is a ship nearby, within perhaps 50 km, since all you can have on a raft is VHF with has basically a line of sight range

I thought so too. Those anchors on his shirt was a dead giveaway. 😂

Could be a Closet Pirate?

Better the pirate you know..

They had radar, and AIS, so a collision is extremely unlikely, as all deep sea sailors maintain a high vigilance for commercial traffic, understanding that the commercial traffic rarely sees them first.

"life life" - is what unknowing media is calling it. I have also seen reports of a 10 foot inflatable BOAT! Life rafts carried by sailors are designated by person capacity and not length. Most of them are square or octagonal in shape too. I haven't read anything definitive by someone who KNOWS something about equipment that should be on a sailboat. Just ignorant speculation. A 10 foot inflatable is a RIB that most sailors use as their ship-to-shore dingy with a small gasoline outboard on then. RIB. Rigid Inflatable. A rigid hull of either aluminum or fiberglass and inflated tubes on the front and sides. Minimum of three separate ones. These are either hung on davits from the stern of the sailboat or stored on the foredeck during long passages. An actual LIFE RAFT is in a rectangular box and it is inflated via a pull on a lanyard that opens a CO2 cartridge and inflates the raft within a minute or less. My take is that they couldn't get this open (did they have one?) and took to their dingy instead. On passage, the outboard would have been secured to the aft rail somewhere on not mounted on the dingy transom either. Sailors should have a GO BAG to take into their life raft. The life raft will already contain some emergency rations and water and signaling devices including a VHS radio and an EPIRB. I highly doubt that they made it into any Life Raft! And with no GO BAG in the dingy... they either didn't have one (BAD!) or didn't have time to grab it. And no propulsion method in the dingy either. Again, unless this is analyzed by someone who ACTUALLY KNOWS what they had on board and SHOULD have had on board, Todd G has no business saying anything. HE does NOT KNOW.

Probably died of exposure...

They took out the diesel and might as well have replaced it with 600 lbs of thermite.

As pilots, we always have redundancy so would keep the diesel and sails. Plus it's normal to do some short shakedown cruises close to safety before embarking on a cross ocean trip.

'don't sail away from vision with the shoreline' - a guy who knows this is a Bad Idea.

My words...😅

Made me think of that, also.

Landfills and dump grounds. It's all greaaattt for the environment, doncha know....

There IS NO adequate fire suppression equipment for an electric battery fire especially at sea (if that was the case). In any case that battery is contaminating the marine environment anyway.

Hybrids make a lot of sense. Just sont buy a used 2004 Prius like my moron mother did

@@jhoughjr1 😆

@@jhoughjr1

@@sharonhoyt2133 in Holland it’s ILLEGAL to park a EV in a garage.

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Oh my. A friend of mine just posted a picture of their burned out electric lawn mower.

Well I trust my lawnmower enough to be my accountant.

Doc needs to get hammered and read 4 chan stories.

When I was a kid we had an eco friendly lawn mower, now that I'm 66, I prefer the NON eco friendly lawn mower.

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as is the 2nd L in Liverpool.

@meisterlymanu5214 The liver does release bile salts into the stool, giving it a brown sheen. Scientifically, one does contribute to the other.

That is a very good point. In an emergency, engineers are much better than magicians.

Yeah… I had to take a Reiki class to become an LMT. Worse class ever. You have to be “open minded” aka let your brain play tricks on you for it to work. If you don’t believe it then it doesn’t work. Therefore it’s a placebo effect. I let them be though because the majority of the human population believe in a god or some kind of higher being. Same thing lol. Having faith in something you can’t prove nor see isn’t wise to me. It sounds like mental illness honestly. Your mind is the biggest trickster. You have to stay grounded with reality to keep it in check. Saying this as someone who used to be very spiritual. I was still depressed. Hated life. And when you meet these ppl, it’s the same. They’re the saddest group of ppl trying to find a way to be happy. They can’t find it in reality so they turn to spirituality.

Well, you are watching.

@@arnaldobellucci9033it was a sarcastic nod to a series of books called “For Dummies”… 🙃

Why don't you post your childish dribble for dummies ray

EV batteries aren't intended for marine applications. They are proving to have a high risk of catastrophic fires, should there be punctures, exposure to water etc. even on land, in their intended vehicles. I think your theory of a battery fire is the most probable cause of the outcome discussed in the video.

When the water rose during a hurricane recently, there were many Teslas that spontaneously went up in flames.

Not even a hair dryers worth of wattage lol

A 36' solo crossing of the Atlantic. God bless you. Sounds absolutely terrifying in such a small vessel.

If they sailed mostly on wind-power, then the 600watts of solar panels would charge the batteries over days and weeks. But lithium batteries are very explosive if water seeps in.