Reminds me of when airlines know they need to replace a 10.00 part to make their planes safe, but don't want the expense of replacing it. Oh, let's just hold off and see if the part causes crashes first. No way in hell would I live in a high rise building with a crack in the garage like that, especially after what happened with the Surfside building collapse. The LAST entity I would trust regarding the safety level of the building would be the HOA. They are NOT our friend.
There's going to be a lot of this showing up. People are going to look at their own buildings and I imagine a lot of poor maintenance will be exposed. That's good!
The sad part is how condos work. The residents vote for the board and ultimately the residents are responsible for this stuff. They can only be mad at themselves. It just sucks that what would have been cheap repairs 20 years ago are tens of millions today so previous residents ignored issues early and dropped the hot potato on the laps of current residents. Thus, never buy into a condo, no one is willing to pay for proper maintenance until the building is finally threatened after decades of ignored problems.
Not just Florida, but everywhere! All across the country money is being haggled over before safety is even thought of!!! Every year properties are assessed for value by property assessors for each and every county, but the building values do not go down unless the building is condemned usually. Many buildings even private homes, apartments, business buildings, factories are not maintained in the best manner, and yet they are still assessed as being more expensive/valuable all to generate more income/money/taxes for people!!! It is scary how people accept this. In many cities that have old buildings there are new laws about making them earthquake proof, but the people owning those buildings cannot afford to pay for the structural changes because they don't have the money! Instead of providing low interest loans for quality maintenance repair/revitalization the city/county instead charges fines, and that does not fix the problems. The greedy are going to cause more deaths. And that is my sincere opinion.
It's being revealed that this is a systemic problem, brought about by almost zero regulation enforcement. There's another larger building a few blocks north that has been LITERALLY CONDEMNED already, there's a red notice in the entrance saying that the building is not safe, it's unfit for people to live in, but nothing has been done. Hundreds of people are still living there and acting like this isn't a big deal. It's utter insanity. The authorities have allowed this to continue for so long now that they only true fix would be to evacuate probably every building constructed before 2000.
Once you know about it, you legally have to disclose it to a new buyer. So you have no make sure there is no proof you knew before you sell. It is also going to be much harder to sell without new potential owners demanding the latest inspection reports or bringing in their own inspector. Any report they give you a copy of must be given to other prospective buyers too. The law can make it very hard to sell once you know about a problem.
She's feeling confident in the manager, has two little kids...wow. There's nothing in that photo that would make me think, 'Oh, okay, I'll just wait and see what management thinks.'
Honestly though, people are dumb asf. If you obviously see something dangerously wrong with a building then LEEAAVVEEE!!!!! Why wait for their raggedy ass commentary on it?? Just go and save yourself the panic and worry, its literally that simple 🤷🏽♀🤦🏼♀
It's sad that now these things are being taken seriously. It shouldn't have to take a near 9/11 tragedy to have safety/building inspections taken seriously.
Either she was acting dumb (if she is an owner) or just being ignorant (if she is a renter), property owners are responsible for the repair and maintenance of the building. Apt magt company is hired by the owners via HOA to coordinate things among owners.
Trust me, don't belive this report. Let me explain how this report is an chaos. The person who posted this video is a fool. They could have taken a picture and walked to the management office got told that this is an expanding joint. You see expanding joints are thought by the concrete plates, concrete expands in the heat. People say that there are only straight expanding joints but it actually depends which ways the concrete plates are. It looks bad because the paint has come off. But instead they thought that it was an good idea to post it to TiKtok and cause unwanted chaos. I live in this condo appartment and yesterday every resident got an long explanation about the situation. They explained what the thing is and how its no danger for the condo. I literally went with my dad and just cheked the garage and there we several of these joints. So many ignorant TV channels have reported this People are disguisting and ignorant in these comment sections. The surfside condo had serious problems like obvious building failures and a horrible management team. Peoople of course react like that because it, but most of them are so ignorant and it makes me almost nauseous. Have a good day
Whoever made this stupid rule that a building should be checked every 40 years as a mandatory thing was stupid, a building should be checked every 5 years at least
She drinking to much kool-aid i’d be outta there soon as i seen that shit lol that building is build in 72 the one that collapse was in the 80s!! what the cubans say “dale” 😅✌️
“It’s too early to say that the structure is not safe.” Unfortunately for the victims of Champlain Towers South, it’s too late to say the structure is not safe.
I’m sorry, but, when the inspector said “it’s too early to tell”, that’s really alarming. A huge crack looks like a problem. Are you waiting for a column to fall down in order to take quicker action???
@WHITE FROST you make a good point about not making the parking under (or on top of) the residential units...but then ur talking about additional costs and eye sore to get the parking space you need to accommodate that many residents....if you look at those beach front properties and how "lean" the space is that they use, your talking about major reform and increase in costs.
That resident isnt qualified to make that statement, It’s a fart in the wind, Lots of buildings are up to code and last for decades without issues. Others do not. Champlain wasn’t because of unsound building but a confluence of circumstances that caused the foundation to give and ultimately thr building to implode. The real crime here isn’t that a building collapsed but all the unqualified internet experts spouting off knee jerk reactions and opinions they shouldn’t be sharing. That’s the beauty of free speech and an open platform.
@@MisterMister5893 according to an expert with the channel name of building integrity, he shows that the building wasn’t built with good supports. I mean how would anyone expect many stories to be able to stand on toothpicks when so close to salt water? I heard that at high tide water would get into the bottom of the garage and the pumps were always failing because they couldn’t keep up with all of the water coming in. A foot or two of water was the norm. That’s a big issue when the concrete isn’t made to withstand seawater (according to that building engineer who specializes in high rises along the coast)
Built well to what standards and 40 years ago ... was the building inspected properly ? Did they cut corners? It all matters people ...everything we do and don’t do.
Likely most buildings more then 20 years old and over 1 story have these issues to one extent or another. Honestly this is why i try to avoid living in older buildings. Christ only knows what is wrong with them. Crumbleing foundations, lead pipes, mold, radon? who knows? Even new buildings may not be safe with some of the reports of health issues coming out from things like improperly applied spray foam insulation or offgassing resins. Really makes you think.
@ElbowPeep commie ? Funny that’s what republicants have been saying a lot lately, do you repeat everything you hear on the news ? I am a business owner, a very successful one, i am a capitalist and guarantee i know a lot more about capitalism, making money and running a successful business then you do.
Well yeah, you don't correlate a high rise pancaking to the ground with a few cracks until a disaster happens.. I don't think anybody thought that was even a possibility!
Oh yeah, isn't that the truth. People just like to stick their heads in the sands when it comes to the unthinkable. Stupidity? The embarrassment of being told that it's silly to be concerned? The thought of repair assessment?
Do not walk, run from your condo with essential items and take the stairs down. This so-called official basically said the same thing the guy from Surfside said before the building collapsed.
@@havsumora The building inspector who signed off on the collapsed condo, Ross Prieto, conveniently just took a sudden leave of absence the other day. I hope he finds a new line of work, but I wouldn't want him doing anything in my neighborhood, I'm sure he'd find a way to screw something up.
The manager said he’s taking action? It’s clearly been damaged for a while. He’s taking action now that the collapse and the video lit a fire under his butt.
If it wasn't on tiktok i wonder if he'll care. We don't even how long it will take until the actual repairs are done. Will it make it before it collapses? I hope so.
@@1953childstarWhile that will be a huge financial loss to the owner I would be interested to see how long these voids have been growing and how much of the damage we see now was due to owners doing the very least financially for yearly upkeep of their buildings,
What the inspector said: “It’s too early to tell”. What the inspector was actually thinking: ‘It’s too early to tell. We’ll know for certain when the tower collapses in on itself.’
It shocks me how relaxed people are about these things, I would certainly see it as emergency status, not just something that needs to be eventually dealt with, people prioritize what they want.
Exactly. No one wants to pay taxes which means you won't have the additional inspectors needed to do that. No one wants regulations bossing them around so it's after 40 YEARS which is nuts because by then there may be massive problems which are very expensive and then they fight over paying for that. It's stupid. Better regs and pay higher taxes to pay enough inspectors to check it out often and the payments for repairs are way less and you can have more confidence you've caught it in time. You get what you pay for.
@@kathynj447 Do you realize it's the condo association's responsibility to maintain their own building? It's special assessments, not taxes, that fix and maintain buildings. If it's about money then it's because the residents don't want special assessments; it's a huge expense. Now, next time, before you flap your mouth, know the facts.
Well, to be fair, how to you "maintain" a foundation? You don't. You repair it. That will take major reinforcing, but they should evacuate the building and get on with it before it's too late.
@@carlsbad7113 exactly. No one likes maintenance assessments. This will be a huge wake up call and will make it harder to sell older condos unless there is proof that maintenance assessments have been applied fairly and strategically as needed.
That's the thing it fell in 30 seconds on video, but it was years of neglect, incorrect choices, immaturity, greed and dishonesty that lead to the final result.
@@ninawright9402 we must’ve watched different videos. The sister tower fell in litter a second maybe under 5 seconds. I hear your message but go write a mayor or governor not RU-vid love.
Do these people even realize how dangerous and wrong this is? Clearly it’s not safe! It’s not like a crack in a sidewalk. It’s a huge crack in a huge building’s foundation!!!
Actually, that is a floor/ceiling component between the underground parking and the first floor. If that concrete floor fails it effects the first floor residents and the cars and people unfortunate enough to be under that floor when/if it fails. The load from that floor transfers down through the vertical columns and footings at the base of those columns. Granted, EVERY floor should be surveyed to see if similar stress fractures occur on all levels. Slab fractures usually occur when vertical support columns settle at differing depths into the natural grade.
It is actually not a foundation. It is a concrete slab which was part of the pools deck. The design of the building called for it to be sloped... in principle.. it needs to slope water away so that water doesn’t build up... the deck was build flat and water would accumulate building up the presence of moisture which would rust the rebar causing it to expand... when the rebar expands, it cracks the concrete. The slab ended up falling through which weakened the adjacent columns of the building which ultimately cause a domino effect in that part of the building. That’s why they’re talking about the building collapsing in sections. There was a report already exposing the “exponential damage”... what I really question in my head is... why did they not put an order to comply on that building? There is definitely a loophole between inspections and occupancy permits and that needs to be looked at very closely.
@@IMCcanTWEESTED A progressive collapse could occur if floors above collapse on to the floor below, which then collapses on the next floor down because it can't hold up the extra weight.
@WHITE FROST actually section 8 housing has WAY higher standards for safety. I had it when I was in college as a young mother and had rentals I was looking into denied by section 8 due to safety issues.
@@inlandempress4587 Yes, I'm not sure about Florida but my family used to rent to section 8 applicants and yes the inspection was rigid and thorough, as it should be.
If I had to guess, if the crack is the only issue then that building is probably ok. No evidence of water intrusion, no evidence of rebar rusting. The thing that got Surfside was that the rebar was allowed to rust and degrade for years.
Kind of a coincidence that when repairs are beginning it falls to the ground ....is it an example of to little to late ....kind of a head scratcher right
I'd recommend leave and don't come back since those people allowed it to get this damaged and not even care to do anything about it up till now and still don't
"I want to believe what I've been told. Not believing what I'm told forces me to think about issues critically and I don't want to have to do that. Just tell me what to think."
Soooo, MANAGEMENT HAS NOTICED THIS BEFORE?!? I bet if the tragedy down the road had not happened and a video wasn’t uploaded to social media, they wouldn’t have done a thing about it until they were forced to.
Basically, it sounds like each and every condo in the FL area needs to be evacuated until they are determined to be safe for human habitation. This is the 4th or 5th crumbling condo story I've found on youtube. Wow! What if the surfside collapse had not occurred? Would the poor state of all the others ever have come to light?
Once rust starts in concrete, there is no stopping it. It's hidden and can't be seen. All concrete buildings are dangerous. Everyone should get out as soon as they can.
@@Sarconthewolf lol, no, these are dangerous because water intrusion was ignored for decades. It can be prevented easily, but condo owners refuse to spend any money until the damage gets bad enough that the building will fall, then fixing it also costs 100 to 1000 times more money. Protip, never buy a condo where other people can vote against your safety to save themselves money.
We are not talking about a failure in the soil... it is not a sink hole. But for sure buildings that are 30 years plus need to be asked to have a recertification involving serious inspections and mandatory compliance for Occupancy purposes. We are talking about a building that did not just collapse overnight.. negligence was the reason for this.
Are these people crazy or what is happening with the human beings today? Over 100 people missing under building rubbles and they are feeling confident even after seeing this big crack.
but how are the owners suppose to make money then? jeez gotta think about the owners mayne, can't just leave and go sleep in a hotel on their dime willy nilly
@@rawjor ya you fuckin can when you pay rent for them to maintain things like this this is just mismanagement of your property as a property owner period
Don’t forget Mark 11:23. “For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says.” Mark 11:23 NKJV
Lived in Florida for 15 years. I would NEVER move to the beach!!! hurricane problems, water surge issues, flooding, moving sand, and so on! Who is that fucker of contractor that deemed it safe to build high rise buildings on a sandy beach, in a state that’s below sea level, is full of flood and swamp and is full of sinkholes!!!! And people are dumb enough to buy apartments there and trust the management. Ridiculous
"I feel confident that the management is going to do something about it"... I guess the residents of the towers that fell thought the same way. Are you going to put your life in the hands of the management?
lazy? imagine you are owner of one of those appartments. you aren't rich - you put all your lifesavings in it. you are retired and want to spend the rest of your life in peace. the last thing you would have expected was the building to collapse. never happened before.
many cities have no recertification whatsoever.... my guess is they all will start, and that will discover thousands of uninhabitable buildings on both coasts, maybe the gulf too
You know what's crazy... They knew about these cracks. You telling me they are barely seeing this big ass crack? At least one employee had to see it. When I worked at an apartment property, we had areas we had to walk and check out the property. Pick up any trash and see if anything was damaged or something. But here... They are only going to fix cause the building collapsed.
Okay that is alarming. Did it seriously take a building collapse for someone to notice that? Wow. Not like buildings are going to start collapsing all over but man that looks concerning.
These people never effing learn (edit: or care, to be frank). These "adults" with the lives of others in their hands. How we even made it this far as a species is beyond me.
@@mebeingU2 yh and like one governor in some state who killed thousands of elderly citizens during Covid and goes about sexually harassing his female staffs. Also has a buffoon brother on a Communist News Network (CNN)
These towers are built with concrete pillars reinforced with rebar that holds up dozens of concrete floors embedded with rebar. Rebar rusts and expands causing cracks. These concrete slab construction techniques are much cheaper to build than an extremely strong steel girder skyscraper. You get what you pay for.
The maintenance guy just got back from Home Depot with a case of caulking (silicone, pro grade), two rolls of duct tape, and a 32 ounce bottle of Gorilla Glue. Everyone chill. The situation is under control.
@@elizabethsullivan7176 hope you are doing better now. For the Biscayne residents, this is matter of life or death. I hope they can be relocated somehow for more thorough inspection of the building.
Management to maintenance: “How are our caulking and paint supplies?” Maintenance to residents: “We’re waiting on supplies.” Contractors to residents: “Talk to management.” Residents to management 10 years later: “???” Repeat: “……
More like they were waiting on the next hurricane to do the job for them so they could collect insurance money and not be blamed. Profit over people, this is what happens.
Caulk and paint can't fix that problem. That's happening because of rust on rebar that's making the rebar get bigger and pushing away the concrete. Concrete is great with compression but very poor with tension strength
@@-Wreckanize- well, I've ran across a lot of people telling me that crack is an expansion joint. Right now would be a wonderful time to sell to someone who thinks a crack is an expansion joint. There's a seat for every azz
Let's face it, they were just trying to make it look pretty until the next hurricane. Please the residents and collect insurance money after it fell because of mother nature. It just didn't work out the way they hoped.
The thing that drives me crazy is that the HOA in this type of building is like $600-800 a month and there’s somehow not enough funds to make sure the building doesn’t fall. Come on.
When you build a garage, you'll hear the cracks fall in place and it'll "creak" during windy days. Years down the line the same cracks that fell into place start cracking the foundations, which is what you see now. It is literally 1 earthquake from a collapse.
@WHITE FROST of course, you pay off the building inspector and wait for nature to finish the job so you can collect insurance money, easier than fixing it.
GET OUT OF THERE!!! Everyone hired that is responsible for keeping tenants and owners in those units as a matter of financial gain are going to keep passing the buck. Anything built in the 70s and 80s is sketchy down there! Demand immediate help from the state and declare a state of emergency.
40-50 year old buildings are not old. Ny skyscrapers were built in the 1920 and are still standing. Get educated in building, cause you dont know what your talking about
@@thefullmonte2003 well it doesn't seem like you're very educated because they are on sand near salt water with salt water coming withhumidity and hurricanes
I’ve been hearing of flooding streets there for years, isn’t that a factor, the ground being softer and frequently flooded/unstable? The ground really IS your real foundation. Just sayin’.
Denial of this is truly bizarre. But if you factor in all the money lost if people are told this, and the whole area has to relocate, and the chaos of it, I guess it's easier to deny.
Surfside owners were recently given a bill of just over $100,000 each Condo to do repairs. Their monthly loan was going to be $800 a month for 15 years. I imagine there are a lot of condo associations across the US that are going to take maintenance a little more seriously. It should have never got to that point.
Is it fair to say HOA dues include maintenance cost? For the life of me, I can't understand why the condo owners would be hit with a large bill. The dues should include maintenance and the cost should be adjusted based on the inflation, location and age of the building
What about the cathedral in Paris, France? The one that caught fire, and realised toxic fumes? You want something built to last giving off toxins that disable and kill people, but the buildings stand for hundreds of years! There is a natural length of time for everything before it begins to break down from time and environment.
They find a big crack on a bridge, and close it indefinitely until repaired. Find a big crack in a building housing 100s of people, it's fine, leave it open.
We will only see this more and more with Florida in the coming years... with all those hurricanes and humidity. They’re screwed. No regulations + shitty weather = disaster
@@cheerbozz All buildings are going to need repairs eventually. Now that I look at the one that collapsed I think it was actually the pool that did it. And they needed to do repairs in the building of course but I think they said the pool was leaking there and before it collapsed someone said the pool was going down. They should have drained the pool then look at how they can do repairs and what
looks like high rises are just not going to work its sad they way they overbuilt even that area , when i worked overseas at a tropical island destination the highest building couldn't be any higher than a coconut tree it sounded stupid at the time but maybe they were right
It neglect, not the buildings. Go watch videos of skyscrapers swaying in 9.1 earthquakes. A well built building and proper upkeep is all that is needed. That's why this is rare, and skyscrapers and buildings around the world do not just fall. So many of which built 100 years ago or more.
When you start running out of land with short one or two story buildings to build on, then you understand why you go up which is more practical with valuable land. The Empire State building was built in 1931, many times bigger than the Surfside building. Would you not go in that building?
There's one thing "feeling confident" about management taking care of things, and actually saying something as a whole community. How dare that guy say it's still to early for concern. That is extremely unsafe.
I was thinking of buying a condo but Hell No not after seeing how bad its gotten with the Not keeping up with maintenance or how Incompetent it was built on. Its not worth the effort and money and your safety to live in theses death traps! Nope! I'll stay with my quarter track off land and my RV!
